Now that the Headgeneralmanagerback position is no longer a roster spot, I agree 100% with your statement, "It's time for Matt LaFleur to take advantage of that and draw up game plans that capitalize."

"Maybe things were getting stale, maybe it was due to injuries, or maybe teams were picking up on the tendencies of a team that relied heavily on established veterans running a predictable system."

Interesting statement but SO true... By the 2017 and 2018 seasons the Packers offense under MM was so predictable Rodgers HELPED make sure Mike McCarthy was shown the door, while complaining about the system. What's Rodgers do? He starts running a version of that offense on his own.

Never mind they completely turned it around in one year going 13-3 and then 13-3 in MLFs 2nd season running the BEST red-zone offense the NFL has seen in YEARS. Those first two seasons we saw motion, jet sweeps, play-action passing game, & creative play calling, everything a Packers fan could want or ask from an offense until some similar old habits (Davante-vision) creeped in at the worst time in the NFCCG against Tampa Bay.

In 2021 the Packers got even further away from the MFL offense but once again with the level at which Rodgers played it was hard to get upset. Again, there was LESS motion, LESS play-action, LESS creative play calling. In 2021 the Packers were WITHOUT a doubt the best team in the NFL. Once again old habits and predictability played a huge roll in losing in the playoffs. Well that and a ST unit and ST Coordinator who had no business being a ST Coordinator. By last season with no Davante, no work in the offseason with his new rookie WRs, and an offense so far away from what MLF was brought in to run, the offense was predictable for the most part and looked NOTHING like it did in 2019 or 2020.

I have faith in MLFs offense, I really do, in the OFFENSE. I have less faith in LaFleur himself but that can be nullified quickly if I see the OFFENSE we all thought would be run. There's a shit ton to be excited about with this years Packers team. It starts with what I hope will be a REBIRTH of the LaFleur offense in GB.

We know Rodgers never had enough weapons.
We know the learning process with the Wr shuffle.
We know the changes along the OL.
We know he gave us are best chance to win.
And we can think positive about a new beginning.
But until I see it. I won’t believe it.
The NFL is a copy cat system.
What works one year, changes the next.
And usually it’s all about the $$ instead of the ring.
You can put all the Xs and Os anywhere you want.
But until these new faces show us.
Winning is just a figment of the imagination.
I get you want to capitalize on MLF, and all the changes.
Developing TALENT, is the #1 priority of every coach.
And until these players meet those expectations.
No opposing Defense is going to worry whats thrown at them.
Because it takes more than a new face. A new game plan.
To win as a team.

As long as it doesnt keep fans scratching their heads.

I agree Bruce, it will be interesting to see is MLF that kind of offensive guru he was able to convince Mark Murphy that he is.

But, it is different to prepare play book for one QB with experience and known tendencies and for first time starter. If MLF and Jordan Love has mutual understanding what they want to achieve with every play that might be called in any game, they both will have huge chance for success. Otherwise, it will be last season again.

MLF now has benefit to work with QB more adapted to new schemes, presnap moving and similar offensive tools, so options are almost unlimited.

Lets hope MLF will show us that his illusion of complexity is real and not complexity of illusion.

Go Pack Go.

It'll be a very similar offense to last year. Jones, Dillon, and Watson will get the ball about 2/3 of the time. The TEs will get about 7 targets a game. The other WRs will get the rest. We throw WR screens a couple of times a game.

Love will throw hard strikes, as opposed to lofting the ball up in the air on touch passes. We'll turn it over a little less than last year. Love will get more than 100 yards rushing on the season.

There are two strands to this. They don’t know what a LaFleur only offense will be and they also do not know what Love is or his tendencies and capabilities so far removed from college and there was uncertainty even in his draft year.

The former takes a number of games to figure out, typically. The latter can take longer. Add to that the unknowns about what guys like Watson and Doubs are capable of if Love proves more flexible and that should counteract the inevitable inexperience issues somewhat. I just hope that the D manages to be somewhat more unpredictable too.

I'm looking forward to calls that will surprise fans in a good way on both sides of the ball. No more over-thrown 30 yard sideline go route to a covered receiver on third and four. Completed passes to that forbidden land in the middle of the field. Screens. Draws. Calls that take advantage of our speed at WR.

I'm optimistic, but it is July. Go Pack!

I still believe that last year's problems on offense were mostly due to two things: 1. a discombobulated offensive line for most of the season, and 2. receivers who didn't run correct (or at least not great) routes and dropped the ball more than in recent years.

I don't think it was the calls or Rodgers; I think it was the uncertainty and unreliability of the OL and WRs.

This year, the OL SHOULD be better (please no injuries, please no injuries), and we can hope that the WRs/TEs/RBs will run the routes better and catch the ball better. That one is less certain.

I believe that the formation looks (pre snap) will probably be different, I assume that the plays themselves will look a lot like last year. I guess that there might be a few more plays geared to the middle of the field. And there will probably be more runs. I may be wrong but it’s a matter of making the defense confused about the play that’s called. It’s still up to the players themselves to execute that play. Confusion for the defense is fine but the play called might be run from a less advantageous formation. So execution is key. That’s where blocking is key. Our line will be good (except, maybe, for rookie TE’s) so it’s going to be a matter of old fashioned blocking from everyone not catching or running the ball.

"Over the last three years, however, the offense has seen its output drop from 509 points to 450 points to 370 points."

Regardless of the reasons or the person many want to place this issue or regression upon, the most glaring is that MLF hasn't shown any ability to adapt to any issue or person designated as the reason. Now the bright light is that Defenses won't know what the MLF Offense is doing. Perhaps MLF not knowing himself is the strategy, since a decline every year certainly speaks to that being a strong possibility.

MLF has a lot to prove about himself this season, perhaps more than Love needs to do.

21 points a game this year will place a huge burden on the Defense, and if the Offense drops again in points, that's a huge issue that cannot be ignored. The question will be who to blame, MLF or Love.

You hit it right on the head. That is precisely the reason this offense has a chance. If they execute well and avoid the injury bug, they have the talent and potential to win games.

You missed the obvious reason for the recent drop off in production. Clearly, the drop off was due to the lack of quality wide receivers.

The first year drop off was due to having just one good receiver (Adams). The further drop off in the second year was due to not having even one quality receiver.

No offense can be productive without receivers that are good route-runners, who can get open. Injuries certainly played a part last year. But the result was that the packers had the worst wide receiver (and tight end) room in the league. Low production was a given.

I just hope Doubs gets over the drops.

I agree that the Packers have no idea what their offense and/or defense will do this coming season. It's all up for grabs. New players everywhere. I ain't sold on anybody ( packer coaches and players ) for this coming season. It's all brand new. But that doesn't bother me.

Man, I was so sick and tired of the Rodgers thing. . . and wanted him traded for a mint. . . but then in March of '22 management instead signed Rodgers to an insane 3 year contract worth 50 million dollars a year! And just the year before management signed Bakhtiari to an equally nutty contract worth roughly 24 million dollars a year for four years. . . and of course Bakhtiari blows out his knee about a month after signing the contract. . . and the Packers essentially lost his services for the first two years of his contract, about fifty million dollars down the tube, wasted, blown ( like Bakhtiari's knee ). Talk about putting the team in hock for years down the line on just two players.

The team is still stuck with Bakhtiari. I still say, if Bakhtiari looks good this coming season, trade him!

Anyway, with Rodgers gone, finally, I'm looking forward to this coming season. I'm a happy guy and, who knows, maybe the Pacers will surprise me with an excellent season of play. In any event, it should be a really interesting season.

I think mobile QB is going to be the biggest change. You saw it in eagles game last year when Love could evade pressure. Then all those young WRs having a year of experience will help considerably.

Anything but more end arounds on 4th and 1 deep in your own territory in the first quarter up 3 at home.

"It's time for Matt LaFleur to take advantage of that and draw up game plans that capitalize."

Yes I'm literally jumping out of my skin in anticipation.
It may take the a good part of the season to see any cohesiveness, but what I want to see from day one is inspired play and the complexity MLF has to offer.

We've all gotten used to the Aaron Rodgers snapping the ball as the play clock hits 0 every play. is it too early to tell yet or will the offense move faster in and out of the huddle now?