Could Greg Joseph Take Over for Anders Carlson?

Will the veteran kicker dethrone the second-year draft pick?

Late Tuesday morning, Brett Tessler, agent of former Vikings kicker, Greg Joseph, posted to X/Twitter that the Green Bay Packers were signing his client. Given the struggles Packers rookie kicker, Anders Carlson had in 2023, it’s surely not a surprise that some competition was brought in. But perhaps the level of competition could be a little surprising.

As mentioned earlier, Greg Joseph is a former Viking. He kicked in all 17 games in the three seasons he spent with the Vikings and during those seasons he had a Field Goal success rate of about 82% and an Extra Point success rate of around 90%. This isn’t great, but it’s not terrible either. He also holds the record for the longest field goal in Vikings history with a 61-yard conversion. Before his time with the Vikings, Joseph had stints with the Miami Dolphins, Cleveland Browns, Carolina Panthers, Tennessee Titans, and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after going un-drafted in 2018. Joseph has been a fairly clutch kicker in Minnesota, kicking six game-winning field goals over the past two seasons that either gave his team the lead late or the win in overtime.

Despite some clutch success, Greg Joseph struggled with inconsistencies from 40+ yards out, only converting 7/13 attempts in that range during the 2023 season. So, that's where calling him the new Packers kicker, hits a bit of a "not so fast."

Compared to Anders Carlson

After the struggles of the Packers' rookie kicker Anders Carlson in 2023, many fans wanted him either gone or wanted to make sure he had competition for his job. Carlson received blame for several losses this past season where he missed extra point or field goal attempts, most notably his miss in San Francisco in the final playoff game of the Packers season caused some fans to completely place blame on him despite there being more than one reason for the loss. Whenever someone mentioned needing a new kicker to me, I had to ask what they expected. Carlson wasn't outright terrible enough to warrant a release from his rookie contract, and the Packers surely wouldn't pay Wil Lutz or Brandon McManus over 3.5M per season to come to kick in Green Bay.

In the 2023 season, Joseph went 24/30 for an 80% success rate. Believe it or not, though, Carlson went 27/33 for 81.8%. When it comes to extra points, Carlson had an 87.5% success rate while Joseph had 94%. So, certainly an improvement in the extra point percentage but not so much the field goal itself. Carlson had a few clutch kicks this season himself, but not as big as Joseph's resume. 

Will Anders Carlson lose his job?

I think the answer to that question is a little less obvious than some might think. Let's look back at Anders Carlson's predecessor, Mason Crosby. Crosby faced kicker competition a few times in his career. Perhaps one most notable in 2013 when Crosby faced a challenge from Giorgio Tavecchio. I'll never forget being at Packers Family Night that year and they pinned Crosby and Tavecchio up against each other in a competition. Crosby had a few misses and the vibe from some of the fans around me was that it was time for Crosby to be cut and the Packers needed to move on with Tavecchio. But, despite the close competition during camp, Crosby always won out in the end and came out shining going on to have a good season. The competition seemed to light a fire under Crosby that he wasn't irreplaceable and could lose that job. That made Crosby realize nothing was for certain and he needed to step up to get better.

I see the same for Anders Carlson. Greg Joseph has experience. If the Packers brought in an un-drafted rookie, I don't think Carlson feels that sense of competition like he's kicking for his job. He might just look at it as an empty threat seeing as he's the invested draft pick and the other isn't. But bringing in Joseph I think will light that fire that Carlson could indeed lose his job to a veteran. 

When it comes to Carlson truly losing his kicking position with the Packers, I think it will take Carlson just having an awful preseason and Joseph shining. In my opinion, this is a situation where if Anders Carlson rises to the occasion and does decently, he'll be kept. What do the Packers have to lose? If Anders Carlson struggles, then he will be released, Greg Joseph will take over and the Packers look for a future kicker again next year. 

It's my opinion that Greg Joseph will not be kicking for the Packers in 2024. He might serve as a backup plan if Carlson doesn't work out. But that I believe, is about it. This is a competition signing where I feel Carlson will be given every advantage necessary to come out as the winner. 

 

 

PLEASE SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHEESEHEAD NATION WEEKLY NEWSLETTER HERE.

__________________________

Greg Meinholz is a lifelong devoted Packer fan. A contributor to CheeseheadTV as well as PackersTalk. Follow him on Twitter @gmeinholz for Packers commentary, random humor, beer endorsements, and occasional Star Wars and Marvel ramblings.

__________________________

6 points
 

Comments (69)

Fan-Friendly This filter will hide comments which have ratio of 5 to 1 down-vote to up-vote.
Coldworld's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:06 pm

Based on the last season, I’d not see that as a win. But if he’s clearly better, then so be it. However last year was broadly comparable and any upside would likely be less if Carlson loses. Probably a stop gap solution if Carlson fails.

2 points
2
0
Bitternotsour's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:36 pm

New kick-off rules could be a thing, and competition is probably a good thing at EVERY position. The kicker shouldn't be immune.

0 points
2
2
Coldworld's picture

March 27, 2024 at 01:57 pm

Not what I was saying at all.

7 points
7
0
golfpacker1's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:13 pm

I am really happy that the Packers realize wasting any points at all next year, especially with as close as most of the games are, is a fixable problem. I am not sure this kicker is the answer though, he has a strong leg so kickoff returns should be less frequent if he wins the competition. Even though Anders was hyped as having a strong leg, his kickoffs rarely got near the end zone. We need better.

There are 3 kickers in the draft to keep an eye on that have stronger legs than Carlson and Podlesny for sure.
Josh Karty-Stanford
Harold Mevis-Missouri
Will Reichard-Alabama
Karty and Mevis hit 60+ yard FGs last year, Mevis set SEC record @ 63 yards
Maybe one of them as UFDA

I have no idea the % of how many college kickers get drafted. I would assume not many, so most are UFDAs.

2 points
4
2
Leatherhead's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:18 pm

Time out. Since kicking the ball into the endzone is going to result in teams starting at the 35, I don't see any advantage in having a stronger leg.

A missed FG has the same net effect as a turnover, and we had 6 of those last year. I'm not a fan of long FG attempts. Say you're at the 40, plus 7, plus the 10 yards in the endzone. That's a 57 yard attempt and if you miss it, the opponent is going to take over at the 47. If you're at the end of the game, you might have to chance it, but otherwise, I think you'd be ahead to go for whatever you needed for a first down instead.

4 points
5
1
LambeauPlain's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:27 pm

I agree.

I do believe a kick into or out of the end zone goes to the 30 this season.

3 points
3
0
Bitternotsour's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:43 pm

Which is why I think a lot of teams will just toss in the towel and kick away, 30 yard line be damned.

0 points
0
0
Coldworld's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:00 pm

Mark Murphy just said he now expects about 80% of kicks to be returned this year. We will see.

1 points
1
0
LeotisHarris's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:37 pm

"I now expect about 80% of kicks to be returned this year." - Mark Murphy 3/27/24

Not submitted in the form of a quatrain. Not even close. Did the Oracle offer any other predictions?

3 points
3
0
LambeauPlain's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:01 pm

Mark Murphy now says,

Kick offs are again a play.

Until they are gone.

1 points
1
0
Leatherhead's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:48 pm

To be clear, you think teams will just say "Go Ahead and start at the 30"?

That would be different from Murphy's prognostication of 80% returned.

Me? If letting the opponent start on the 30 every time meant no injuries, no returns, and no penalties, I'd take that. On the other hand, I do love a good squib every now and then.

0 points
0
0
LambeauPlain's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:26 pm

Let's think about this, LH.

If you are able to drive a KO to hit the landing zone and it reaches the end zone, the opponent gets it at the 20.

If you boom a kick for no return, they start at the 30. That 10 yards in field position cannot be ignored.

If you had a kicker adept at line driving accurate kicks a predetermined landing zone...and a cover team able to beat initial face to face blocks and get to that landing zone...run the that play! Why not?

Blocking and tackling and coverage strategies just got more complex. So did the kickers job. Returners will need make very good decisions.

The better ST coaches should do well with this change.

4 points
4
0
Leatherhead's picture

March 28, 2024 at 12:57 pm

If the ball has to land in a zone and roll into the endzone........

I have questions.

1) Can you deploy more than one guy to field the kick?
2) What if the ball doesn't land in the zone?

And then, I'd want to know

3) What % of kicks do you think will be returned past the 30? In my opinion, if a returner is catching this on the 20, and the coverage guys can't move until he catches it, and there's a blocker or two in the way, he'll get to the 30 more often than not. Then we can tack on an occasional penalty , and an occasional injury..

I do like your dream about having a superduper kicker and a cover team of 10 above average players who can all defeat their initial blocker. It'll never happen, but it's a nice to wish for it.

I seriously need answers from someone on the first two questions. Can you put more than one guy back there to return, and what happens if the kick does not land in the zone.?

0 points
0
0
golfpacker1's picture

March 27, 2024 at 05:04 pm

And rather than have any chance of a big, game changing, return. I would kick out of the endzone every time. Having the other team starting at the 30 isn't bad. Also the 3 College kickers I mentioned haven't missed 6 extra points combined.

-1 points
0
1
Leatherhead's picture

March 28, 2024 at 01:08 pm

I'm inclined to agree with you. Why on Earth would you give a guy a chance at a game changing play while the bottom of your roster is on the field?

Aren't those college extra points closer? A missed extra point is just a point, and it happens to pretty much everybody. Dallas missed 3. Detroit missed 4. The Rams missed 5. It doesn't bother me much, but those missed FGs are turnovers, and that does bother me. We missed SIX, all of them outside the 40. Six out of 13 attempts.

My suggestion on the FGs is that once you get past midfield, you have to have a 4 down philosophy and go for it on 4th down. I mean, a turnover on downs is the same as a turnover on a missed FG, but you don't get the 7 yard penalty AND if you convert, you've got a chance for 7 instead of 3.

0 points
0
0
gsd3's picture

March 27, 2024 at 04:20 pm

I believe Karty was 7 of 8 between 40 and 50 as well.

0 points
0
0
SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 28, 2024 at 11:53 am

You're completely oblivious to the rule change on kickoffs, AND the fact that Carlson kicked it just as long as he was told to by his coach.

SMH.

Is everybody just assuming Plodnesney's been cut? I haven't seen news of that.

1 points
1
0
GregC's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:19 pm

Bringing in Greg Joseph suggests that the Packers are not farting around. They are ready to replace Anders Carlson if necessary. But I still agree with the author that Carlson has the advantage if all things are equal. The tricky part is that Carlson kicked well during the first half of last season but faltered toward the end. How do you know that won't happen again? I'm hoping it was due to mental fatigue from the very long NFL season, with Carlson coming off an injury-shortened college season. So maybe he will be better prepared for the long haul this year.

1 points
1
0
cdoemel's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:23 pm

If they weren’t farting around they would have brought in someone good. They didn’t. They they brought in training camp competition.

-1 points
0
1
GregC's picture

March 27, 2024 at 09:41 pm

Who is a good kicker who is unsigned?

0 points
0
0
SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 28, 2024 at 11:57 am

Greg, if #17's decline was mental I'd see that as a bad thing, because it'd be more likely to linger and less likely to be fixable.

They messed with his mechanics right before the regular season started, trading power for accuracy. He can either put it back together this off-season or he can't.

0 points
0
0
LambeauPlain's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:23 pm

Anders C being drafted is due to Rich B. Anders had consistency issues in college and expect Rich convinced Gutey he would fix him similar to Carlson's older brother. I was optimistic about the young man to start the season...but am now more "meh".

The new KO rule for 2024 will require more accuracy to land the ball between the 20 and goal line so that negates the booming KOs. Kicks landing in the End Zone or through it get placed at the 30. This will be a change in kicker evaluations this season.

Certainly too late to give up on Carlson...but he's on the hot seat.

3 points
4
1
T7Steve's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:49 pm

Last season Rich choose not to have him kick it into the endzone and have the teams make stops inside of the 25 and were for the most part successful. Carlson was good at dropping it short of the endzone. It wasn't because of leg strength. When he was told to kick it through he did that too. I think he's the kicker of the future and we can't give up on him. They're just giving him some healthy competition. He's got a year advantage over the others kicking in Lambo.

4 points
5
1
golfpacker1's picture

March 27, 2024 at 05:08 pm

I still haven't heard any proof that someone had Carlson kicking short of the end zone last year. Who has told you this T7, and with as bad as our kick coverage was last year, why in the world would GB do that? Carlson rarely even kicked to the end zone, let alone into or through it. That sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

1 points
2
1
T7Steve's picture

March 28, 2024 at 07:18 am

That was asked and answered on Insider Inbox. We also have been discussing it all season here. Did you see how high Rich B. was having him kick the short ones to allow the coverage down field?

They actually covered kicks pretty good last season. When a team started getting some good returns on them towards the end of the season, can't remember the game off hand (Carolina?), they or maybe MLF started having him boot it though or at least deep into the endzone.

The coverage I think you are talking about that I thought was disappointing was punt coverage. Gave up a lot of yards there I don't know if it was the punts themselves or what, but I think the rookie punter is ok. We didn't force many penalties and got called for too many, in my opinion.

3 points
3
0
Coldworld's picture

March 28, 2024 at 09:07 am

For what it’s worth, @mattschneidman on X:

“Bisaccia said Carlson has done exactly what they’ve asked on kickoffs.”

Jan 17, 2024, Replying to:
“Why isn't he [Carlson] kicking it out of end zone? Is it strategy?”

3 points
3
0
SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 28, 2024 at 12:20 pm

"Last season Rich choose not to have him kick it into the endzone and have the teams make stops inside of the 25 and were for the most part successful."

Steve, it's very true that #17 did what his coach wanted in this regard. It's also true that they messed with his mechanics. Can he recover from that? Some people never do. Personally, I hope he can. I won't make any predictions though.

It's also possible that he developed a limp after his injury and it affected his kicking. They very obviously slowed down his kicking motion, trying to gain better accuracy at the expense of some distance. How successful any of it was, I won't draw any conclusions. Same with #25; stats don't show if his return attempts helped field position as compared to calling a fair catch over the entire season. Relevant numbers would tell the tale for both #25 and 17. 17 cost the team two wins, BUT with reasonable play from the whole team they would've only lost 3 games. That difference is not due to the kicker. If he improves along with the rest of the team they'll be fine. I hope he merits that opportunity, and is given it if he does. I think he would be.

GPG!

0 points
1
1
jont's picture

March 27, 2024 at 03:00 pm

"The new KO rule for 2024 will require more accuracy to land the ball between the 20 and goal line so that negates the booming KOs."

This is the key part of the rule, it seems to me.

I think we'll see kickers develop accuracy for low, line shot kicks that hit around the 5 and skip into the endzone.

1 points
1
0
Coldworld's picture

March 28, 2024 at 08:57 am

Alternatively they may go for height and hang time. Looking at how the players will be lined up, that could be a chance to minimize return risk and get field position and maybe a fumble. The whole thing looks like a deep RB play with the “lines” further apart. It’s going to be interesting to see how teams adjust their personnel types and strategies.

0 points
0
0
SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 28, 2024 at 12:37 pm

Indeed there will be opportunity for all kinds of different strategy! Our ST coach needs to reinvent himself; I hope he's up to the challenge ...

0 points
0
0
splitpea1's picture

March 27, 2024 at 12:40 pm

Neither one of them were very good in 40-49 yard FG range last season, hitting only 50% of them; and Joseph was kicking a majority of times indoors.

I think we can do better here and that Gute should be fairly open-minded about finding better competition. Back over a decade ago after not being drafted, Justin Tucker made a video of himself hitting various kicks and submitted it to the Ravens, who invited him to compete in training camp...and the rest is history.

Generally speaking, the Packers still are very rough around the edges when it comes to honing their special teams. I mean, relying on the prospect analysis of the coach who has worked with a relative of the prospect in the past doesn't exactly scream due diligence. And the lack thereof bleeds into other areas, like the semi-revolving doors at punter and long snapper.

2 points
2
0
pantz_bURp's picture

March 27, 2024 at 04:42 pm

I hear ya SplitPea but I wasn't good at asking women out until I was. It takes practice, lots of it under pressure situations. Now, just don't go asking Allen Iverson his opinion on the matter.

the Pantz has Spoken

1 points
2
1
crayzpackfan's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:16 pm

Being Serious

Love having competition at every position, including kicker. Every man up, best man wins. This will be good for Carlson and I think he will prevail and become a great kicker. He was an ordained rookie with a crappy long snapper. As they say, what could possibly go wrong?!

Kidding
Gute needs to spend our 25th pick overall on a long snapper and this all goes away.

This kicking thing will all work out or I will wear CHTV's Pants Burp's used depends for a week.

"Don't click Submit Comment CrayZ...Do not...Click...Submit........................Dammit!!!

2 points
2
0
pantz_bURp's picture

March 27, 2024 at 03:53 pm

I must disclose CPFan, I enjoyed corn on the cob recently. My used Depends are all yours but don't let me catch you trying to sell them on eBay or Etsy...😁

Kick in the Pantz

0 points
1
1
SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 28, 2024 at 12:47 pm

Remember a year ago when nobody cared about LS as a position? I'd love to see #17's stats only including good holds. There weren't very many. Whelan did a GREAT job getting wildly errant snaps into position quickly, but that will still throw off the kicker.

0 points
0
0
HarryHodag's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:18 pm

This is no upgrade.

A reporter I read analyzed the stats between Joseph and Carlson. They were nearly identical, including misses at extra point and field goals last season.

One of the great mysteries to me is when a pro kicker misses an extra point. The kick is generally from the 30 yard line and dead on to the goal post. Most high school kickers can make it at that range. It is the same procedure as when the kick is 50 yards or more. Snap, everyone block down, place, kick. Mystery.

Another factor in this is the new kickoff rule. That will require a kicker with some precision. Carlson is anything but precise. Joseph might be better, I don't know.

Other than wasting a low round draft pick I don't know why the Packers are farting around with Carlson. There are ooodles of kickers around and surely there's one who would be an upgrade.

-1 points
1
2
GregC's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:25 pm

Yes, Greg Joseph had a down season in 2023. But he has had some success in the league. Mason Crosby had a couple of down years too. I wonder who these "oodles of kickers" are who would be in upgrade. Good kickers who are coming off good seasons are seldom available for the taking.

I don't think being an NFL kicker is as easy as a lot of people think it is. The ball doesn't always go straight. Same thing with golfing. Try as they might, professional golfers do not always hit the ball straight. That must mean it's not as easy as it looks. And neither is kicking. It's never looked easy to me anyway. If it was, then they would make every extra point and short to mid-range field goal. The whole point of moving the extra point back to make it a 33-yard attempt was so it would not be a gimme.

4 points
4
0
murf7777's picture

March 28, 2024 at 08:40 am

I agree Greg, I might add, throw in the cold and wind and try golfing or kicking it straight, it just doesn’t work as good as perfect weather you get in a dome.

2 points
2
0
Coldworld's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:26 pm

Wasn’t his performance in the middle of the two drafted above him last year?

4 points
4
0
LeotisHarris's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:46 pm

Hah, suck it, Vikings! Go ahead and take all the Favre, Jennings, Lowry, A. Jones, Sharper, Bostick, Ferguson, Walker, Sullivan, Smith, Longwell, and D. Jones you want. We'll *always* have Dave Osborn, Letroy Guion and now Greg MFing Joseph!

4 points
4
0
pantz_bURp's picture

March 27, 2024 at 04:00 pm

Yeah, suck it Vikings. I understand why they wear purple. You would be purple too if you were choking for the last 40+ years

Stolen vehicles and the Vikings are very similar...no title.

Pantz and a Full Moon

3 points
3
0
Cheezehead72's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:54 pm

So with the new kicking rules and a kicker not needing a strong leg for kick offs I was wondering why we did not bring Mason back. One thing against him was that his leg was not strong enough to get touchbacks. Is Mason wanting too much? Is he disgruntled and not wanting to play with the Packers?

I really hope that Carlson and Joseph work together to help each other out. It is possible one of them might be on the PS.

0 points
1
1
Bitternotsour's picture

March 28, 2024 at 09:42 am

because Mason Crosby uses a walker now? Jeezus man, the guy is damn near fifty. He crapped out last year, wasn't as good as Carlson. They can't play forever.

2 points
2
0
egbertsouse's picture

March 27, 2024 at 02:56 pm

Two crap kickers equal one good one. Is that the theory they are working under?

The new kickoff rule is just a scam to allow offenses to have a shorter field and score more points. Everything is about capturing the casual fan. Roger has locked up the sports fans and now he's after people who prefer gambling and fantasy football to actual sports.

-1 points
2
3
cdoemel's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:44 pm

Huh? The entire defense is 25 yds closer to the returner! And the entire returning team is still at their 35-ish. How is that a shorter field for the offense?

1 points
1
0
cdoemel's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:52 pm

What’s stupid is, if this is about player safety, then why take away the fair catch rule? Now every returner will be tackled. Haha. Listening to Goodell is like listening to politicians tell bold faced lies to our faces. They think we’re too stupid to understand. They wanted to keep the “foot” in football. So they turned the kick-off into a punt that HAS to be returned.

0 points
0
0
Bitternotsour's picture

March 28, 2024 at 09:45 am

Let's adopt the Vikings strategy - they cut Carlson's brother and then he went to be a great kicker for the Raiders. People need some patience.

2 points
2
0
Curt's picture

March 27, 2024 at 03:47 pm

Don't like the new kick-off rules, nor the idea of playing in Brazil.

I suppose both might benefit GB with Nixon as returner and not having to play in Philly, but..

Frankly NYG game in Europe destroyed the season ... AR got hurt, players weren't happy, looked lethargic, and Rasul eventually got traded for saying what everybody was thinking a year later.

0 points
0
0
cdoemel's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:53 pm

I think you’re overthinking brother. It’s a different time.

0 points
0
0
pantz_bURp's picture

March 27, 2024 at 03:57 pm

I don't know but I think Carlson has a leg up on the competition. He will be fine.

Just started watching Geeks and Freaks...underated show. But, it allows me to better understand some of you posters. 😁✌️🙃

Right, Said Fred...I am Too Sexy.,

Pantz

5 points
5
0
pantz_bURp's picture

March 27, 2024 at 04:47 pm

If they are both right footed, no way! I can see if Joseph was a lefty...then makes a TON of sense to keep BOTH on the 53.

Which way the wind is a gusting, field conditions and hash placement may tell which kicker is best suited to nail the FG. If one pulls a hammy during the game, call in the backup. No stone unturned...

Or, sign his bro. That way we have ACDC. For those about to rock, we salute you will be cranked at all home games before a crucial FG or XP.

If we go this route, we may need to roster a holder that is ambidextrous?

Just a thought,

P

0 points
0
0
cdoemel's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:56 pm

That’s not gonna happen

-1 points
0
1
Alberta_Packer's picture

March 27, 2024 at 06:31 pm

Here's to an open competition. May the best leg win!

2 points
2
0
cdoemel's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:20 pm

What did they pay him to be training camp competition?

-1 points
0
1
Johnkrash's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:54 pm

Bringing in competition is always a good idea when clearly Carlson has not established himself as a rock solid pro kicker. Might not be a bad idea to use one of those many seven rounders this year on another leg to throw into the mix.

0 points
0
0
cdoemel's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:57 pm

Nah. There are too many legs delivering for Papa John’s to use a draft pick.

-1 points
0
1
SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 28, 2024 at 04:25 pm

We already have 3.

0 points
0
0
WestWi_Packfan's picture

March 27, 2024 at 07:56 pm

I said at the time they brought Carlson in and just anointed him the job with no competition, that this would come back to bite them and it did. The Packers went against their own practices when they didn't provide competition in camp for Anders and he maybe would have been better because of it or he would have failed and been cut and we would then have a better kicker. They shouldn't have limited their options here and don't ever just give someone a job again without making them earn it. Hopefully he will come back with a vengeance but for a while there you had to hold your breath every time he kicked a FG or even EP.

1 points
2
1
cdoemel's picture

March 27, 2024 at 08:00 pm

I don’t disagree with how he got the job, the only plus I can see is he does have a year under his belt now. Hopefully he did some stuff in the off-season, and now there’s a vet on board for competition in the preseason. Hopefully that scenario yields results

1 points
1
0
lou's picture

March 28, 2024 at 08:36 am

Well said. You don't have to look too far back to see a similar scenario, they made up their minds that Amari Rodgers was the punt returner no matter what and then even with the poor results did the same thing to start the next season. By mid season they had no choice but to cut him and he is still out of the NFL.

0 points
1
1
dark41's picture

March 28, 2024 at 02:45 am

One thing that the new kickoff rules don't address and many fans are not taking into consideration, is the high percentage of penalties on kickoff returns. If the number of returns goes up, the percentage of penalties is likely to go up proportionally.

One year the NFL is trying to eliminate returns due to injuries, the next year the NFL is increasing returns?

Will be interesting to see how kickers adapt to this. They will be asked to do something that none of them has been asked or practiced before - consistent line drive kicks to a spot.

0 points
0
0
Cheezehead72's picture

March 28, 2024 at 05:40 am

Yes they tried to reduce the number of returns to decrease the chance of injury. They found that the fans were not happy with the low percentage of returns so now they are changing the rules to increase the number of returns and still keep the number of injuries low. They did not want to take this step because it requires too much change.

3 points
3
0
SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 28, 2024 at 04:28 pm

Huge amount of change but the league this was taken from had 90% returned and 0 concussions from returns.

0 points
0
0
GregC's picture

March 28, 2024 at 07:43 am

Almost everybody seemed to dislike the move toward fewer and fewer kick returns. So this is an adjustment in the opposite direction, which makes sense. The kickoff had become an almost meaningless play, like the short extra point.

There's no point running a play in which the outcome is pretty much the same almost every time (a touchback or a return to around the 25-yard line). You are right that there are bound to be more penalties. But I guess that's the price of running plays that actually mean something. It's a wacky-looking setup, but I think it's worth a try.

3 points
3
0
Coldworld's picture

March 28, 2024 at 08:05 am

I don’t see any particular harm in trying it. How it works out I don’t know, time will tell how NFL coaches adjust and respond to it. The rule as of last year was largely a yawn for games not involving the Packers and one other team.

Just giving the ball to a team at a fixed point of the team just seems to be functional but reducing the variety and potential for excitement within games. I suppose I’m asking myself what is lost by this change and not finding anything of substance coming to mind.

1 points
1
0
Ritzy's picture

March 28, 2024 at 02:03 pm

I agree that Carlson will win the job if he performs evenly with Joseph in camp and preseason. The Packers have always favored players they've drafted over free agents. What could happen is Carlson could win the job but Joseph will be placed on the practice squad for insurance in case Carlson falters.

0 points
0
0
SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 28, 2024 at 08:14 pm

I don't see any way they come up with a tie before week 1. They were close last season, but not dead tied in anything. I don't see any way that they repeat that.

Plodnesney is still on the roster, too.

I couldn't believe they started the season without a backup kicker, much less ended without one. Hopefully they never do that again.

0 points
0
0
joejetson's picture

March 28, 2024 at 09:06 pm

I think the new kickoff rules could have a major effect on what qualities you look for in a kicker. I would guess the strategy will be to aim for the sidelines so the coverage can converge onto that area of the field. However, you then risk kicking the ball out of bounds, ball on 40. So you probably want a guy who can kick low line drives directionally. Maybe teams will roster two kickers? Crazy, but who knows. Back in the day, your starting QB was the place kicking holder, your starting center was also your long snapper, and some placekickers punted, as well. So could we see a new kickoff specialist? We'll see.

0 points
0
0
vin0770's picture

March 29, 2024 at 02:38 pm

Statistics should tell you everything. Article says there’s not that much difference in their extra point percentage %87.1 vs %92.

How about this statistic One kicker missed the most extra points in the league last year….Ours!

0 points
0
0