Cory's Corner: Prove How Much You Want To Win

The Packers and Aaron Rodgers have both said they are about winning. Prove it. 

Does it really matter who is right and who wins the vaunted argument?

Neither the Packers nor Aaron Rodgers is saying anything about a contract restructure. The reason why this has been such a hot button issue is because Rodgers is owed $37.2 million this season — 19.98 percent of the salary cap. Davante Adams will be the Packers No. 2 highest-paid player in 2021, but his cap hit is only nine percent of the cap. According to OverTheCap.com, the last 10 Super Bowl winning quarterbacks have accounted for just 8.4 percent of a team’s salary cap. 

The reason that is important is because the Packers are tight with money right now and need more cash to be able to go out and get more free agents. 

“I would’ve redone his contract, got some more money under the cap and went out and bought a receiver,” said an unnamed scout in ESPN. “I get why you might not need to extend it, because he’s got three years left and he’ll be 40 by then, but I might adjust it and give him some more money just so that he’s the highest-paid quarterback again. You can move money around. But I’m not going to give him five years. I would add more money to the final two years, and then I would go sign another legitimate receiver.”

And that’s why this whole thing is so confusing. The Packers have advanced to the NFC title game two years in a row. When general manager Brian Guteukunst was hired, he said that it was going to be all about winning. If that’s the case, what would be the hold up in restructuring Rodgers’ deal?

“I don’t know who’s really calling shots there, whether it’s (chief contract negotiator) Russ (Ball), Gutey, Murphy, whoever,” said an unnamed agent. “But it’s screwing the Packers in a lot of ways right now because there’s just no cap space. They’ve called me about one of my players and said ‘Hey, this is where we are now, and until we get something big done -- hint, hint -- we don’t have any space.’ It’s kind of like a lose-lose situation right now. That’s what [is] surprising to me is, you’d think there would be a middle-ground situation to get something done.”

I know that the easy argument is to say that Rodgers is under contract until 2023. There’s no reason to worry about it at all until then. That’s fair, however, don’t you want to get better? The Buccaneers added an all-star team to surround Tom Brady and now will be favorites to win back-to-back championships. I know Rodgers turns 38 this season, but Brady (44), Philip Rivers (40) and Ben Roethlisberger (39) are all older. And here’s an interesting nugget: Rodgers was the MVP last year. It was refreshing to see him smile and have so much fun. He had an excellent offensive line, a solid running back crew and decent pass catchers. 

“So even if (Packers coach Matt) LaFleur liked Love and sees the same stuff Gutey saw coming out, he’s smart enough to know that he needs Rodgers,” said an unnamed coach. “Gutey might get another shot at it without Rodgers, but will the coaches? If they fail after Rodgers, they’re gone and Gutey’s picking another quarterback.”

Basically, until we actually hear something said from 1265 Lombardi Ave., people are going to take sides. The Packers will be blamed for not doing what it takes to surround Rodgers with a Super Bowl roster and Rodgers will be blamed for taking up too much of the cap number. 

This whole thing is getting tiring because we’ve all seen how good this team can be. The Packers got smoked by the 49ers in the 2019 NFC Championship Game because they couldn’t stop the run and they lost to the Bucs in the 2020 NFC Championship Game because LaFleur and Rodgers didn’t communicate how they wanted the game to finish. 

The Packers are a really good team. They had the No. 1 passing offense, No. 3 running offense, No. 13 pass rushing defense and No. 4  pass coverage defense. If you succeed in these four areas, you are going to win games in today’s NFL.  

The question is, how much do the Packers want to win? Because you san say how much you want to win all day long. 

Now it’s time to prove it.

 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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stockholder's picture

April 10, 2021 at 06:56 am

Another Article on Rodgers makes to much Money. Making Rodgers the villain doesn't help the Team. The only reason they need more money is for Free Agents? I Don't want the best team money can buy. The Packers were never about a owner who could spend money. The next move is managements. Rodgers bargained in good Faith. He's upheld his end of Deal. Gute didn't. Drafting Love was the biggest mistake to the " All in" phrase. Gute is in charge of the roster. Not Rodgers. It's no use trying to pass the buck. Gute is the criminal. Not Rodgers.

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fastmoving's picture

April 10, 2021 at 07:12 am

Sell you stock to AR, you have no idea of the Game.
" Rodgers bargained in good Faith." Man, do you know what you right? How can be ready for the future be a mistake. However Love turns out. He was a no brainer at this spot.
AR was right that CK is a hero and the Orange is the most unamerican conman in history, so we are all with you he is a great QB and and even better person. But he is also not bigger than the PACKERS, not even close. The organisation did a great work in the last 30 years. Maybe the best in all of pro sports. And some weak losers have nothing to do but complain.
You better dont check here misserable lifes, to check why they are always right.

Other than that, there is no need for free agents, but at least Gute is stonger, smarter and has more values in hin toe than some of the stockholder all together in here whole 5 foot 1, 250 pound "Body".

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stockholder's picture

April 10, 2021 at 07:24 am

Rodgers isn't Fran Tarkenton.

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Coldworld's picture

April 10, 2021 at 08:53 am

Be a moot question if he was.

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Nate-1980's picture

April 12, 2021 at 12:22 pm

No brainer? What ? I think I know who the “no brainer” might be..Trump yet again in a football forum, so gross, nobody cares demtard , give it a rest..

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April 10, 2021 at 07:54 am

Curious, SH....what part of the "deal" did Gutey not uphold and why is he a criminal?

Gutey has assembled one of the best rosters in the NFL as Aaron's teammates, in spite of paying Rodgers $37 million. He and Rodgers have both upheld the agreement they struck. Aaron showed he was worth the money and Gutey has paid him handsomely.

If #12 continues to play at a high level in 2021, he may be asked by the GM to restructure because right now the Pack has another cap problem next year. And at the same time, the Packers can exercise Love's 5th year option which would keep him on the roster until 2025 when Rodgers is 41.

And no one knows if discussions are going on about a restructure yet this year...to lock up Adams. Aaron seems to be quite happy right now and Gutey has mostly "kept the band together " for another comcert tour.

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April 10, 2021 at 08:37 am

What part of the deal has MGMT not held up? He signed him to the #1 Contract in the NFL. Got him a new coach and GM. Signed 4 Expensive FA's his first year. Resigned the best players on their team. There's one move out of dozens that was not Arod friendly.

Neither is a bad guy. Arods play, Loves Development, Cap Limits and a win/win deal between the Organization and Arod will all be calculated (among other variables- trade values) and a decision, that's best for the Org. will be made.

I just don't see how anyone can speak to the Arod situation without mention of the disastrous cap situation. It isn't just fixed by extending Arod. He will want the highest contract in FB as the MVP QB.

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April 10, 2021 at 11:39 am

Agree, it’s a difficult situation that both sides are trying to navigate.

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PF4L's picture

April 10, 2021 at 01:04 pm

"Signed 4 Expensive FA's his first year." - Dino

Really Dino...i don't remember 4 free agents his first year

I remember Jimmy Graham at 10 million a year, and i highly doubt....you or Gute is bragging about that move.

Come to think of it, Preston Smith doesn't exactly look like much of a bargain either.

"There's one move out of dozens that was not Arod friendly....Ha ha ha ha!!

Never lose that sense of humor Dino...That is gold coach...GOLD!!!

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PF4L's picture

April 11, 2021 at 02:24 pm

AWE....was i too truthful?

Such a shame. :(

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oceanstrength's picture

April 10, 2021 at 11:29 am

You are reading into this article by Jennerjohn. He did not make Rodgers the villain. He just stated what we know. And that isn't as much as you think.

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fastmoving's picture

April 10, 2021 at 07:14 am

First of all, Rex Ryan is just a bitter loser who likes himeself more than anything. Big mouth but as he was in charge of somthing its was just a mess. He is one of the biggest contra indicators in football, just a Neandertaler and the son of someone who likes films with feed. A living butt umble. So make sure you do the opposite of what he thinks its right.

AR should play like he is capable, than the 20% (with the blindsite Shield and the weapons its more than 50%) of the SC its just a fair deal and a win-win. So there its a good chance its just right.
On the other side, maybe he can say "I want to win so badly Im willing to take a little less than market value because at this stage of my life, winning its more important so me. And I know some guys who did it that way."

Whatever pretty sure both, the PACKERs and AR want to win badly, but the PACKERS did all in there power to make it work.

“I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been. “

Its even more important in Football (an life in generall) than anywhere else. And by the way this weak Ryan coward will be alway where the puck was. But he cant skate of course......

AR had more talent around him over his run than any other top 10 QB on average in the last 12 years.

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April 10, 2021 at 07:59 am

When you started writing this, I bet you had a point you were trying to make.

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Coldworld's picture

April 10, 2021 at 08:26 am

Who, the commenter to whom you replied or the writer of the article?

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April 10, 2021 at 08:43 am

It's Rex Ryan and the rest of the media job to create drama where there isn't any. Thats the Business. The show isn't structured to supply the best info, not by a long shot. Its structured to make the most money. Skip/Cowherd/Rex/Greenberg/Florio all do it. These guys are wrong all the time but are still there,,,,,,they are paid for ROI not Quality of Analysis.

Do the put the cap issues on the board and discuss them? Never...

No different than most any type of media at a National Level.

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April 10, 2021 at 12:28 pm

There is drama in GB. The talking heads can stir it up, but they didn't create it.

The presence of Love is changing how GB deals with their cap situation. The presence of Love is the single largest deterrent to GB signing a FA who they think might increase their chances of winning a super bowl. Maybe the FO doesn't feel any need to bolster the team other than through the draft.

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April 10, 2021 at 02:10 pm

????

TGR: I don't get it. With Love on a rookie contract, how does he become the "single largest deterrent to GB signing a FA...." in a year when the cap has been reduced so much?

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April 11, 2021 at 04:35 am

If GB hadn't drafted Love, I believe the Packers would have committed to AR after an MVP season and restructured his contract in time to generate enough cap space to sign a decent FA in March. Instead, they don't want to push dead money into 2022 and 2023 in order to keep their options open.

Of course, GB still might re-do his deal. Or they might still generate some cap space over and above the $7M still needed for the PS, 52nd/53rd and operating cushion (Adams's extension, Lowry pay cut/release, etc.). And there might be a quality player who is a cap casualty in September.

Or, the Packers have enough to win it all with the current team plus draft picks and any cheap September cap casualties. Could be: they were close in 2020.

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April 11, 2021 at 12:06 pm

Thanks.

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April 11, 2021 at 08:36 pm

No, the Packers would have drafted or signed a QB who they consider could start in this league no matter what Rodger's contract status was. It's the no.1 rule in Green Bay. Get a starting level QB period. Love was there, and Gute went to get him. Contract and Cap be damn.

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April 12, 2021 at 12:32 pm

Is this English fast moving? I really have a hard time understanding this incoherent babble.. Rabble Rabble Rabble..

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April 10, 2021 at 07:41 am

SO tired of hearing the Packers don't surround Rodgers with enough talent.

"They had the No. 1 passing offense, No. 3 running offense, No. 13 pass rushing defense and No. 4 pass coverage defense."

The best offensive line too.

Stop the Rodgers excuse making people and let's see him win in absolute playoff crunch time which he hasn't done in....10 years.

Clearly, he appears to be more interested in show biz than football, an emmy instead of a ring.

Something was very wrong at the end of a game where the Packers had several chances to come from behind and didn't. Most curious were the odd, off kilter post game comments. Instead of instant reaction to a heart breaking defeat he immediately starts emphasizing his uncertain future.

I doubt LaFleur called three pass plays in the two fourth quarter three and outs. I doubt Rodgers missed the wide open running lanes on second and third and goal at the bitter end. The options on third and fourth down from inside the 5 are tailor made for LaFleur's play calling ability. I'm guessing Matt saw what we all saw. Poor decision making by his semi-GOAT during absolute crunch time and basically throwing the ball away instead of hustling for free scramble yards. Maybe Rodgers knew he couldn't slide there and would pay a price he wasn't willing to pay to reach the end zone.

He didn't get it done (again) and his weird postgame comments were meant to distract from the obvious fact.

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PF4L's picture

April 10, 2021 at 12:50 pm

I watched both Tampa Bay games.

I didn't see the best offensive line, did you?

Were you talking about the Packers line, or Tampa Bays line?

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April 10, 2021 at 01:51 pm

You make an excellent point. TB protected Brady better than GB protected Rodgers in terms of sacks allowed in the game. The respective DL has as much input on head to head OL assessments and clearly TB is among the best DL. Interestingly, the LA Rams DL we throttled a week earlier were ranked by PFF 1st and TB 2nd at year end 2020.

Another factor is Brady as arguably the quickest and most decisive reader of defenses alltime. Or second behind Montana perhaps. While Rodgers is no slouch in this area he does tend to often hold onto the ball longer than Brady and throughout his career has frequently struggled against quicker, more physically dominant front sevens. Thinking 49ers in 2019.

Is this also reflection on our OL? For sure. And the coach for not making scheme adjustments. And Rodgers too. At the end of the day Rodgers didn't produce the winning play when he had the chances.

For what it's worth PFF ranked Packers OL 2nd overall in 2020 and Tampa Bay 5th. Cleveland ranked 1st.

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Coldworld's picture

April 11, 2021 at 09:22 am

Tampa had a better game plan, better game management and came out better prepared. It’s not always the best athletes that decide a game. Our coaching was a crucial factor.

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April 11, 2021 at 10:12 am

Yes, I agree with this too. Worst to me was not calling timeout when King lined up in press coverage on the TD pass before halftime.

The coaches admitted after the game they were confused and miscommunicating. Maybe they didn't have a timeout left at that point, I don't recall.

There are a number of factors that decide any game outcome. But saying this doesn't lessen my main contention that regardless of anything else the Packers will need to move on from Rodgers after next season if they believe Love is ready to step in. Not because he is better than Rodgers but because the salary cap will be too top heavy at that point. Maybe I change my mind if we win it all next year. It will be difficult to move on from Rodgers after an SB win but the 2022 cap will be suffocating with him included, and even moreso if they restructure his deal and push more cap money into 2022 and 2023.

This is basically the same scenario (not quite but similar) as when the Pack decided to move on from Favre. We tend to forget now in hindsight but there were no guarantees then either that the move would work out. And there were the same controversies among fans regarding moving on from a sure thing HOF.

The only difference at the time was Rodgers had a chance or two in preseason and the one Cowboy game to show he could play. Love will need to show the coaches something similar in more restricted circumstances.

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PF4L's picture

April 11, 2021 at 02:53 pm

The similarity's was that both were replacing HOF QB's

Both were taken in the 1st round around the same pick.

But that's where it stops.

No scouts or talking heads were saying Rodgers wasn't NFL ready, or that he was a project.
It was thought Rodgers would be the first pick of the draft.

The talk when Rodgers got into camp was that he was throwing darts all over the field. The only negative was that he held the ball too high on his dropbacks which he fixed. Maybe also that he was too confident (cocky).

When Love got into camp they had 9 practices, but many questions arose about things he had to improve upon. I don't recall one positive opinion of Love coming out of camp.

I'm not trying to dig in on Love, but Rodgers showed confidence and potential in camp.
Love showed he was a project.

I'll contend that Love not winning the back up job helped him because he got to work with the scout team all season and learn the game, getting that work in.
During the season he worked on football, he didn't just sit in his room.

This season there will be more practices and the pre- season games.
The Covid excuse is over.

I absolutely agree with you on the 2022 salary cap situation as i've been talking about for weeks. They are in a bad way, even if they trade Rodgers.

For that reason alone i'm sure the Packer brass is praying for Love's development, because if they let Rodgers go, and Love isn't ready, then.....the chit will start hitting the fan.

At that point everyone's job security will disappear, as fast as Rodgers did.

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April 12, 2021 at 09:39 am

Well, it may have been thought by media, fans and anonymous scouts that Rodgers was a number 1 draft pick but the only people whose opinion truly mattered, the NFL drafters, didn't place him in the top 20 picks.

Rodgers was considered a sure thing coming out of college by some observers and others weren't so sure. The fact is no QB is a sure thing in the NFL until he proves it on the field. I don't remember feeling he was a sure thing, except for some flashes which gave hope, until he performed well against the Cowboys in a game where Favre got hurt in season three.

And for what's it worth, I was all in for Rodgers replacing Favre when he did. The coaching staff felt Rodgers was ready or they would have kept Favre even with all the drama surrounding his retirement and un-retirement. And the same debate raged then as now about replacing a HOF QB with an unknown quantity. I recall these fan debates in comments I made and also with my late father. He had followed the Pack since the 30s and actually committed the blasphemy of rooting for the Favre-led Vikings. Obviously, Rodgers had shown more after three years to indicate he could start in the NFL then Love has shown in one truncated preseason. From what I understand the media hasn't been allowed to watch Love in practice so we are in uncharted territory here to even speculate whatever Love has or hasn't shown the coaches to date.

The NFL has changed quite a bit since the turn of the century, both in terms of salary cap, increased pay for the top QBs and maybe most important of all for this debate, offensive scheme. The Shanahan scheme seems to thrive well enough without HOF QBs.

The recent history indicates teams with top heavy cap numbers don't win SB even with HOF QBs.

Of course, having an HOF QB never hurts, except as you say when that QB reaches the point of receiving a cap breaking deal. Which is where we are next two seasons. 2022 is cap hell for sure, however cutting/trading Rodgers will decrease cap hell by $22 million or so. I say if we win the SB in 2021 or Love doesn't pan out then Rodgers will fulfill his contract in GB.

Obviously, the coaches will make the decision whether Love is ready or not. I agree the Packers cannot move on from Rodgers without a firm belief by the head coach that Love can succeed as a starter. And LaFleur's future in Green Bay will be on shaky ground if he goes with Love and Love flops.

However, all that said, I believe the front office is taking the prudent course to let 2021 play out and not restructure Rodger's deal until they know more about Love's readiness, if that is indeed what is going on here.

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PF4L's picture

April 12, 2021 at 03:42 pm

" ........Rodgers was a number 1 draft pick but the only people whose opinion truly mattered, the NFL drafters, didn't place him in the top 20 picks."

And don't they all look smart for letting him pass them by now?

The only opinion that truly mattered was....Rodgers, who had the final say on the matter.

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April 11, 2021 at 02:58 pm

"For what it's worth PFF ranked Packers OL 2nd overall in 2020 and Tampa Bay 5th."

For what it's worth...Tampa Bay steamrolled our off. line during the season, and did the same in the NFCCG.

If the Packers played Tampa Bay every game during the season. PFF would rank our line 32nd.

Results beat rankings.

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April 12, 2021 at 10:01 am

TB's defensive front dominated GB's offensive line twice. That much is plainly obvious.

I already agreed with you there. In fact, the 49ers defensive front was even more dominant against the Pack in 2019. But in 2020 we turned around and routed them.

So you never know what 2021 will bring in terms of head to head competition. Injuries, another year on, new players, improved technique and scheme adjustments, the lucky breaks, all these things matter in game situations.

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April 10, 2021 at 05:15 pm

Then you'll be tired of hearing this:
Our defense sucked last year.
Until the Packers brass stop bean counting and go all in on a playoff caliber defense, we are doomed to repeat recent history.

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April 11, 2021 at 08:01 am

Well, there is this thing called the salary cap which forces the front office to count beans. I imagine it's all a matter of perspective and of course the die hard fans don't exhibit any because that would mean we weren't die hard fans in the first place.

And for better or worse each team finds itself in a different place. Currently, the Pack have so much money tied up in Rodgers relative to the overall cap number that history suggests the front office will not be able to build a Super Bowl team around him. Unless Rodgers is in fact the alltime exception to the rule, which I'm of the opinion he has one more year to prove after failing to do so this year, as great a season as he had.

TB fans will remember the dark decade or two between SB wins. Older Packer fans such as myself remember and want to forget the yawning gap of forgettable years between Starr and Favre.

Do we want to go all in as you suggest and trade a possible title for another period of down years? Or keep the team at or near the top of the league with at least a slight chance and playoff games almost every year? It seems to me the front office, for better or worse, believes it's time to move on from Rodgers after 2021 if Love develops into a starter caliber QB and put trust in LaFleur's scheme plus Gutey's front office maneuvering to keep the team in the running for playoffs.

Myself, I'd like to see Rodgers overcome these obstacles and take a very good if not great team back to the SB next year. If he does then he's earned a new contract perhaps. Or, we could sit back and watch the fortunes of the Bucs and the Patriots over the next several years and decide which road we prefer our team take.

As I often argue with my son, who has a mancrush on Rodgers, I'm a Packers fan since the awakening of a 7 year old in 1960 that transcends individual players. He's convinced Rodgers needs to leave a la Brady to win a second ring. Rodgers is dead to me once he leaves GB. There is no right or wrong here but I much more enjoyed 1992 - present than I did 1969-1991.

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April 11, 2021 at 08:13 am

I lived in angst through those 25 years of embarrassment before Lynn Dickie, Don Makowski and Brett Favre came along.
I could care less about the future, it is all about winning the Super Bowl right now before Aaron Rodgers is gone.

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April 11, 2021 at 08:34 am

Fair enough and duly noted. Dickey and Majkowski were not part of the solution either but at least they gave us some hope before Favre.

We shall see in 2021 if Rodgers and current team can win it all. But a lot of that winning will come down to Rodgers play in those defining moments of the game, of course assuming the defense can keep the score within a TD. That is what separates the very good from the great. He had his chances this year against the eventual champions (our defense provided those chances by the way with 2 picks in a 10 point 2nd half, 7 of which came off Jones fumble deep in Packer territory) and in hindsight it seems we probably would have beaten KC in the SB, especially given the state of their banged up OL.

Thanks for the response.

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April 15, 2021 at 07:22 am

A lot of those defining moments do not have to exist when you have a defense good enough to prevent defining moments. ☺️

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April 11, 2021 at 09:40 am

Nice post geronamaker. I too have been a Packer fan since my youth. The Packers were my first & only favorite football team. One of their star players was Jim Taylor. That was my dad's name too. The Pack was was winning in the early 60's too. I went with winner's back when I formed my love for life & sports. I like you, enjoy the present more than the down years, but still a fan every year. The Packer's have proved to me that they want to win 60 years ago, last several years, and the next coming years. Go Pack Go.

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April 12, 2021 at 12:48 pm

So the NFC Champ game was all on Rodgers haha, huh? I guess I watched a completely different game where a cb named King couldn’t play football, and of coarse just earned good money for that..Receivers dropping td passes or not even seeing them(Lazzard), and RBs fumbling.. A weak passive DC that didn’t bring pressure for the first half, and made some of the dumbest situational football calls I’ve ever seen and got fired for it.. But yeah all Rodgers I guess..Oh and Brady, what a game he had, mvp for sure, what didn’t he have three ints???????

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April 12, 2021 at 01:24 pm

Except I didn't say the loss was all on Rodgers. If you read my comments I acknowledged the OLine got owned by the TB DL, the coaches (more than King IMO) totally blew the defensive call on the last play before halftime. King blew the coverage for sure which is why a TO should have been taken before the snap.

What I am saying is Rodgers had the ball in his hands three times in the 4th quarter (twice thanks to picks) with ample time remaining to come back from 5 point, 5 point and 8 point deficits. He went three and out twice (all pass plays, which I highly doubt were all called by LaFleur although we will never know that for certain) and then did nothing with 1st and goal when he clearly could have gained positive yardage by scrambling on second and third down, possibly even scoring, when he broke beyond defensive containment twice and had a wide open field in front of him. No one from TB was shadowing him on either play, which is a gamble that worked out quite well for the Bucs as it turned out. Just the week before as you recall, Rodgers scrambled for a TD against the Rams from a similar spot.

The QB earns by far the biggest dollars, therefore it is always on him more than anyone else to win in crunch time of a one score game regardless of how the team reached that point. Rodgers decision making was questionable at best with the game on the line as the final results reflect.

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April 15, 2021 at 07:25 am

That's because Tampa Bay's defense was in Rogers head all day. They were dominant and they overwhelmed our offenseive line. That is why Defense wins championships.

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Coldworld's picture

April 10, 2021 at 07:30 am

People speculating on about something that they all admit they know nothing regarding either the motivations of both sides or their actions.

Just because these commentators are in football doesn’t grant expertise or knowledge of those things, as they admitted as originally cited.

Stirring the pot based on admittedly uninformed speculation gets nobody anywhere. There are valid reasons why both sides might favor a different outcome and for reasons that lead in opposite directions on each side. No answer or insight will come of this.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 10, 2021 at 08:00 am

Yeah, and quoting "unnamed agents" as proof of a discontent behind the scenes at 1265 Lombardi isn't very convincing. Agents who advocate teams paying more money to already highly paid players to increase their commissions is a real surprise, isn't it.

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April 10, 2021 at 08:02 am

Double post

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April 10, 2021 at 07:46 am

The Buccaneers didn’t add an All-Star team around Tom Brady. Don’t be blind. Brady was a free agent and went to a team where they already were stacked with top wide receivers and excellent defense. Brady knew exactly what he was doing. He went to a team that had been dwelling in the cellar for a while and all they needed after a bunch of top draft picks was a quarterback.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 10, 2021 at 08:12 am

Agree. The Bucs were drafting atop of the rounds for many years. And those who think Gutey didn't surround Aaron with talent are not looking at the performance numbers.

I believe the key has been and will be defensive coaching.

The Packers D ranks this year were pumped up by the Offense keeping them off the field. The Packer D has the fewest plays ran against the in the NFL last year. But they are not that far away from being a very good D.

The Packer O was 2nd in yds/play, 2nd in pass yds/play and 5th in rush yds/play. Incredibly effective and efficient getting first downs and long scoring drives.

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April 10, 2021 at 01:09 pm

Nonsense. I've blasted the shit out of this line of thinking in multiple comments. TB absolutely went big in trying to assemble the best 2020 team for Brady that they could. They traded three 2020 draft picks to get three players they wanted, including a one-year rental, and also included trading a 4th rounder to move up ONE spot (14th to 13th) to pick a plug and play OT (Wirfs) to protect the immobile Brady. They franchised Barrett. They paid old guys and gave them big guaranteed money in JPP and Suh.

TB was 7-5 on Nov. 29 (week 12). They were the fifth seed and got in as a wild card, though they were 11-5.

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Nate-1980's picture

April 12, 2021 at 01:13 pm

Exactly TGR the bucs went ALL IN , the packers haven’t come close..I live 20-30 minutes from Tampa in Florida, I can’t believe all the moves they made last year..

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April 11, 2021 at 10:33 am

True enough the situations are very different. TB had an up and coming team, especially on defense and simply needed the GOAT QB to complete the ascendency.

GB situation today is opposite of TB. A longstanding winning team with much of its salary cap tied up in three great offensive players. (By the way, I tend to agree with the commenter who stated we overpaid to keep Bakhtiari, especially given that Jenkins or Turner would be more than adequate replacements. Apparenty the coaches didn't think this to be the case).

Rodgers will need to find a similar situation with another up and comer in need of a QB if the Pack moves on in 2022. This scenario would also lead to interesting comparisons between Rodgers and Brady. The pressure would remain on Rodgers to prove his value versus Brady.

Unless we win it all in 2021, that is, with Rodgers at the helm. Here's hoping! Go Pack Go!

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CoachDino's picture

April 10, 2021 at 08:56 am

What does A Rod's Extension look like and the impact on the cap years?
No one has once stated figures, just generalities to back their opinion. "Oh extend him and clear up cap space. Ah No, You may be able to clear up 10M but not 55M that they will be over.
Adding DA contract of 24M per year isn't ever calculated in. The JA 20M, AR 40M it doesn't add up. Arod needs to agree to a team favorable contract like TB did for all those years. That's why it worked in NE and the TB.
You can't keep Arod and everyone else and you can't expect Arod to sign a team friendly deal.

Either keep all your best players and play Love or Cut or don't resign your best players and extend Arod. That's really the choice that needs to be made.

It's a Business on both ends.

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oceanstrength's picture

April 10, 2021 at 11:27 am

Right, because no one has the numbers to give you. You aren't on the need to know list so just enjoy the drama and watch it play out.

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flackcatcher's picture

April 10, 2021 at 06:58 pm

Actually Coach Dino case is made by the Packers own Cap numbers. If you have been following TGR posts on the Packer signings, Brian Gutekunst's has laid out the Packer's plan for this year, and maybe next. Beyond that, the Packers hit the Cap wall. CD is just stating the obvious.

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PhantomII's picture

April 10, 2021 at 02:57 pm

Packers never trade any player while under contract when they are about to get big money. Doing this could bring a #1 or #2 pick in next draft instead of possible #3 (maximum) mandated by NFL comp picks. Bak makes ridiculous LT money and should not have been extended 23 mill/yr. Clark should not have been extended at 17.5 mill/ yr. Instead bring in (2) FA DL at 8 mill a piece and cover 2 positions on the DL and have an overall better DL. A second tier LT making 12-14 mill or better yet a drafted player on cheap contract. As much as I like Adams as our #1 WR, not at 20 mill plus. AR- Davante vision would also change a bit and force him to do what he should be doing all the time and spread the ball around better. I would have moved up and drafted Jefferson last year to initiate this future move. I would keep most of the money on the Defense as this has proven to win Championships and draft for offense mostly unless some special Defensive player is within striking distance. I was in for cutting Linsley last season and getting a very good DL next to clark with it. Cutting P. Smith and starting Gary would have been my move also, but having those 3 rotation is nice but not in this cap hell. If I didn't keep Jones I would move up 10 spots and draft Etienne from Clemson. Similar but faster player. Gute has decisions, but his are all moving into the corner of no escape. Not going to afford Adams, Tonyan, Alexander, Gary, Savage and Jenkins even though not all next season. Decisions have to be made next off- season.

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Hematite's picture

April 11, 2021 at 08:44 am

The sooner the Packers can get the millstone that is Rodgers contract from around their neck the sooner they can move on with a reboot.
The reboot might not be pretty but it is essential that the get back to solid cap footing.
They can't just keep adding mill stones without going under.

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Nate-1980's picture

April 12, 2021 at 01:21 pm

Rodgers is the only reason this team is any good, but yeah we should get rid of him I guess, makes sense..

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EricinGB's picture

April 10, 2021 at 09:43 am

Drafting a QB last year with 1st and 4th round capital was considered questionable at the time...today, the decision looks even worse...assuming GB was and is lookig towards the future at QB, why not package that 1st and 4th round pick last year and trade it for a predictable high 1st round pick this year? Lots of desparate teams would have gone for that deal in 2020 (Jets, Panthers, Jaguars etc) and would have given up their 2021 1st round pick in trade for our 1st and 4th in 2020...Green Bay could easily be looking at a top 2-5 QB this year...and both an extra year and preseason to start development...Drafting a QB last year compared to this year cost Green Bay a full 2 years for development and assessment. This is not a knock on Love... it's Guty going against everything he learned from Ted Thompson...Guty made a bone-headed, knee jerk selection...Ted Thompson would say trade down not up...Guty instead could'nt hold his wad...2020 was a clear case of pre-mature selection on every level made worse by Covid-19 and no preseason...as a result, he unnecessarily upset the succession time-table by speeding up the QB selection when he could have drafted a higher rated QB this year and we would effectively have 2 extra years to develop a QB rather than the problem we have now moving forward. Replace Guty, not Rodgers.

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oceanstrength's picture

April 10, 2021 at 11:24 am

and next year it might look better.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 10, 2021 at 06:03 pm

If Love stayed for year four and came into the 2021 draft he would be one of the top three QBs. Gutekunst bagged him a year early.

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Nate-1980's picture

April 12, 2021 at 01:26 pm

I’ve never heard of love being rated that high, I’ve heard at best he’d be 5-6 this year.. Plus if his senior year wasn’t good that’s make him fall more..

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Since'61's picture

April 10, 2021 at 09:54 am

Rodgers is well paid for his level of play as the Packers QB. As a result he takes most of the blame when the Packers fail during the playoffs even though the defense allows 3 easy TDs from the 29 yard line or beyond. Even though the Packers are playing from behind for the entire game because the defense doesn't get off the field until they allow a score. Rodgers is expected to score a TD on every possession regardless of the opposing defense not because of his talent but because of his salary which is just absolutely ridiculous.

The root cause of this issue is not Rodgers or his % of the salary cap. This is an issue of Gutey and Ball. Ball is the alleged cap master and Gute is in charge of the roster. The Packers are here because of the last contract they gave to Rodgers and other FAs they have signed and Gute's roster decisions via the draft and FA.
For example, drafting Love and re-signing players like King and Lancaster to name a few.

Beyond that if they want Rodgers to adjust his salary shouldn't they conduct those negotiations with him? Are they doing that? Maybe, we don't know. But this idea that Rodgers is going to give his money to a team that has made numerous questionable roster decisions over the years is, why should he? This is business on both sides. Rodgers is a business man not just a football player. If the Packers want part of his agreed upon contract they need to communicate their plans to him and his agent as to how Rodgers salary cut is going to help the team, not just to assume that part of Rodgers salary will help the team.

The league and the owners have demonstrated over the last 2 decades that they don't care about the players and that they only care about and are only loyal to money. Rodgers realizes this and as a business man he is concerned about money also regardless of how much he may want to win another SB If the Packers management wants to win the ball is in their court not the players. Someday Rodgers will move on but even then some will blame him for the Packers not winning in the playoffs if they even get that far without him. Soon after that we'll have a new regime building yet again, 'for the future". Thanks, Since '61

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PF4L's picture

April 10, 2021 at 12:31 pm

^^The voice of reason!!^^
Thank you sir.

Although rare, it's not entirely elusive in here.

Since'61....raises a point i've raised many times.

For a HOF QB to relinquish cash for roster building like Brady.
One important thing has to happen. The team can't have a history, a pattern of foolish ill advised contracts, spending tens and tens and tens of millions, without a good ROI.
That's bad business kids.
If Brady's team wrote as many bad contracts as the Packers he wouldn't have been so generous.

Lets say a family member asked you for 10 grand one year, you give it to them and they pissed it away.
Then the next year that family member ask you for another 10 grand, are you giving it to him?

When we hear talk about Rodgers taking a pay cut for the team.
In essence...that is Rodgers hiring his own players.

It's not good enough he's a HOF QB...it's not good enough he's is a 3 time MVP. It's not good enough he is a SB winning MVP. It's not good enough he has been one of the best QB's in NFL history.
HELL NO!!....
If he wants players who can play...he should pay for them!!!!

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Since'61's picture

April 10, 2021 at 07:38 pm

Excellent reasoning and analysis P4FL! Thanks, Since '61

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PF4L's picture

April 11, 2021 at 09:08 am

T Y Since' 61....

The blind faith crowd is in store for a rude awakening once we no longer have a HOF QB under center

If i said it once, i've said it 50 times....appreciate what you have, it's a unique luxury.

Tick Tock

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PF4L's picture

April 11, 2021 at 09:15 am

Case in point...lol

I cant help but wonder if flackcatcher believes Jordan Love gives the Packers a better chance of winning.

lol...some people in here....so entertaining :)
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April 10, 2021 at 06:48 pm

Father Time is undefeated. The Rodgers ship has sailed.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 10, 2021 at 01:25 pm

That's the NFL (only cares about money). Is it the Green Bay Packers?

Since GB has no owner, it only should care about putting the best team on the field and making charitable contributions to the community. It still has to act like a business in GB (but to a lesser degree, IMO) but greed is not really a consideration.

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Since'61's picture

April 10, 2021 at 07:48 pm

TGR it's not a question of greed but it is a question of how the Packers utilize their capital which includes draft capital and money to sign FAs as far as building a roster is concerned. Signing Love was probably not the best use of our 1st and a 4th round pick in the 2020 draft, but time will tell. Resigning King and Lancaster was probably not the best use of money for signing an FAs in 2021. Again we'll see.

The point is that why should Rodgers need to prove that he wants to win more than the team's management by volunteering to take a pay cut? Why doesn't Gute approach AR and discuss the team's plans for him and how his pay cut would help the team reach the next level (if he hasn't already)? How the team utilizes their roster building capital tells us how much they want to win (now and/or later) and/or how competent they are in achieving the goal of winning the SB. Thanks, Since '61

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April 11, 2021 at 05:04 am

Oh, I think we were arguing slightly different points. I don't expect AR to play for less than his market/contract. I don't think Gute made questionable decisions out of greed. [Competence is another issue. As it happens, I am okay with signing Lancaster for $1.25M, Redmond for $920K. I didn't like the Love pick but I understand it. I think there were better CBs than King for the same money.]

Sounds tough to me for Gute to ask AR for a pay cut or for cooperation even in adjusting his contract even without a commitment to AR. What's Gute going to say: adjust your deal so we can dump you more easily and perhaps to a destination you don't like?

1. AR gives a pay cut. Would Gute spend it on a 2020 FA? IDK. Probably, but it's late in the day now and maybe no cap casualty looks good to Gute in Sept.

2. AR moves money around. Would Gute spend it? IDK.

3. How important is winning now to Gute as opposed to a seamless transition? IDK.

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Coldworld's picture

April 11, 2021 at 07:40 am

I think those are pretty fair questions. I also believe that the response to the cap shrinkage is probably just as much shaped by Murphy/Ball/LaFleur.

Looking back on last season, I see our biggest hurdle for the future as not being the roster but coaching. For us to win, LaFleur and his team have to out prepare and out coach during the game. Thus far, we have been out planned and out thought coaches of 49ers twice and then by Tampa in successive years.

There is no doubt in my mind that the 2019 49ers were a better team. I genuinely do not think that Tampa was in 2020. Their coaching trounced us convincingly across the board. I don’t think our chances of winning are great unless LaFleur takes a big leap as a coach and has made a big leap by his choice of Barry to do the same with respect to the D

We’ve returned a similar team to last year, pre draft at least. A good draft is important especially if it can unearth a couple of real contributors this year, but the obstacle I fear most is not Gute or the roster but whether LaFleur can win the coaching battle when it counts, and get there while Rodgers is still healthy and effective.

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Since'61's picture

April 11, 2021 at 10:27 am

Excellent post Coldworld. There is no excuse for the numerous poor coaching decisions during the loss to Tampa in the NFCCG. Poor pre game preparation and poor in game coaching decisions resulted in poor execution at key points during the game. Thanks, Since '61

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Since'61's picture

April 11, 2021 at 10:17 am

TGR, I think you have hit on a key point as you usually do. Specifically it's all of the IDKs that you correctly identified in items 1,2 & 3 in your post. I'm not saying that we as fans should know that information but certainly Gutey and Russ Ball should know and they should at least discuss it with Rodgers especially as it relates to their plans for Rodgers and to his taking a pay cut.

Right now they are treating Rodgers as a high paid player and nothing more. If that is going to continue to be the FOs position no one including the fans should be expecting Rodgers to volunteer to take a pay cut. In any business the worse things that management can do are; 1. do nothing and 2. fail to communicate with their key stakeholders. In this case like it or not, Rodgers is a key stakeholder in terms of the team and roster decisions.

it is beginning to look to me like Gute, at least, doesn't know how to or doesn't want to approach his best and highest paid player either about his future or to take a pay cut to help the team. Thanks, Since '61

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flackcatcher's picture

April 11, 2021 at 08:09 pm

I think the dye was cast in 2018. Gutekunst's hiring was as much a vote on Mark Murphy as defacto GM as anything else. With Rodgers (then) huge contract and the continuing drop off in play, it was a major issue for GM Brian Gutekunst. At the time I thought Rodgers contract extension strange. Not only the timing, but that the Packers had burned through 20 million? of Cap space that Ted Thompson had cleared in his final act as GM. And the age issue, one can not dance around that. Football is a young man's game, and Aaron Rodgers is no longer THAT Aaron Rodgers. But given what Rodgers has meant to this organization, asking him to either restructure or even take a pay cut would be insulting. Besides, in reality he has played to his contract for the past two seasons. In that context the Packers would be in effect, opening up talks for a whole new contract with a 41 year old quarterback. Overall, both the Packers and Rodgers have handled a tricky situation well.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 10, 2021 at 06:11 pm

You hit the sweet spot. The Fans were trashing Bart at the end of his playing days and Favre was castigated as a traitor even though he was advocating for playmakers like Moss that would have turned the 2007 season. Instead Brady benefited from his 23 TDs. Oh, well, "we like our guys." The Natives need to stay focused and keep the pressure on the management team for better players.

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Since'61's picture

April 10, 2021 at 07:50 pm

That's a winner jannesbjornson! Thanks, Since '61

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flackcatcher's picture

April 10, 2021 at 06:48 pm

Father Time is undefeated. The Rodgers ship has sailed. Covid-19 only moved up the date. The only question is how well this group will play this season. Will the third time be the charm. If they do, will Gute move to bring them back. I'm clueless about that. What I do know is this team hits the Cap wall no matter what they do. Then its rebuild or reload. Nuts... (But as fans it is our glorious right to raise our fists and rage at the unfairness of it all)

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Since'61's picture

April 10, 2021 at 07:54 pm

there is no question that Rodgers will hit the wall of time at some point. Rodgers cannot change that anymore than he is responsible for the roster decisions or how then FO utilizes their roster building capital but because that same FO gave him his current contract he is the easiest target to blame for the results. Thanks, Since '61

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Nate-1980's picture

April 12, 2021 at 01:43 pm

Yup that Rodgers ship has sailed alright, to MVP island.. What are you talking about ??

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Coldworld's picture

April 11, 2021 at 09:26 am

As I understand it, conversations have taken place, may still be. Don’t know a thing about their subject matter or whether they continue. But then I don’t expect to. That’s a Ball/Murphy and Rodgers/ his agent thing.

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April 10, 2021 at 10:40 am

The Packers have been lucky to have been able to maintain a roster that wins with Rodgers, not without him, and it will continue if that luck holds out. The problem is, regardless of the statistics of the offense and defense, these teams have had a binding glue, they win but aren't WINNERS, less the personal accolades that most seem proud of over the Lombardi Trophy.

It's always mentioned that Rodgers should be the highest-paid because he's the MVP, even though he has failed to hoist the trophy that counts for the team and fans the last decade. The money he has been paid or will be paid isn't the problem. The problem is they over-pay others because they cannot sign the best at positions that cripple them year after year. I know, I know, they kept Bahkt, Jones, and a couple of others that needed to be, but they still had to settle in keeping others because they can't get the upgrades, whether because of money or simple attraction.

The only thing GB has to attract the elite, at any position is Rodgers, and regretfully, that seems to not be enough. So, let us all hope that the division stays inept and GB gets a schedule with enough stiffs to win 12, and glide into the playoffs with a three-time MVP winner only to be shown again that the team isn't built to be a WINNER!!!

What will it be this year?

1) HC decisions
2) Defensive play
3) DC decisions
4) MVP QB failing
5) Lesser players/depth
6) All The Above

I'll select 6, All The Above

This team has been able to overcome a mix of these in games during the season, but they cannot overcome them all when in the same game, and that's why disaster arrives in the game needed to be in the game that is the goal, the SUPER BOWL.

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ricky's picture

April 10, 2021 at 10:57 am

Another WR? Why? Because when crunch time comes, Rodgers is looking at Adams and ignoring everyone else. Happened again in this year's championship game when Davante was heavily covered, but other WR's were open in the end zone. Forcing it to Adams, leading to the FG instead of another throw to Adams on fourth down.

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PF4L's picture

April 10, 2021 at 12:10 pm

Rodgers is a has been....lets move on and get rid of the bum before he loses any more NFCCG's

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wildbill's picture

April 10, 2021 at 01:24 pm

That’s the elephant in the room, didn’t we win all the games Adams was out?

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Swisch's picture

April 10, 2021 at 02:57 pm

Rodgers-to-Adams is a good thing, even a great thing; but too much of even a great thing can be a bad thing.
Sometimes taking a step back is overall a step forward.
In other words, it's wonderful having both Rodgers and Adams, but better balance with the wide receivers, and the passing attack in general, seems to be better for the whole team, including both of them.
Our offense was excellent last season, but let's hope it gets even better for us to reach new levels of team achievement.

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April 11, 2021 at 12:38 pm

That's why the 49rs Won so much after they let Jerry Rice walk.

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blondy45's picture

April 11, 2021 at 08:26 am

True, wild bill, which also reinforces the above statements Ricky and Swisch wisely made. We have the WRs to win with, restock, yes it is a need. The Pack has the talent on the team to beat most every other team now. Two back to back 13-3 seasons proves that. We just have to do a better job in the playoffs and use all the talent we have. This means we have to use every weapon on our team. The Pack has, and still does enjoy a talented team which should only improve with wise FO choices.

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April 10, 2021 at 07:05 pm

Right on Ricky and Swisch! And oh yes, our terrible D had THREE (should have been 4) Interceptions, against Tampa. Our Rodger's MVP produced ZERO points off those turnovers. Facts are facts.

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April 10, 2021 at 11:21 am

It seems only Gute, LaFleur, and Rodgers really know the inner dynamics of this situation.
The players may have some important opinions as to what goes on in the relationship between LaFleur and Rodgers -- but it may be best for them to keep their thoughts out of the public eye.
What we do know is that the Packers have been an elite team for the past two seasons with consecutive records of 13-3 and trips to the NFL final four. We have ten picks coming up in the draft.
With LaFleur in his third year as head coach, we can hope his offense will continue to gel at impressive heights. With two new coaches as coordinators of the defense and special teams, we can hope for significant improvement in those areas. With most of our players back, we can hope for them to grow as individual players and as a team.
There are no guarantees for next season, but it all seems rather exciting for the Packers -- a place where almost any other fan base would want to be. Maybe it's time for us mostly to enjoy the ride.
P.S. I know I've been asking a lot of questions about the mindset of Aaron Rodgers, but it really seems there are no reliable answers at this point. Unless we find out something more that's substantial, I'm ready to enjoy the draft, and to hope for a full offseason and preseason of preparation.

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PF4L's picture

April 10, 2021 at 12:07 pm

"The players may have some important opinions as to what goes on in the relationship between LaFleur and Rodgers -- but it may be best for them to keep their thoughts out of the public eye" - Swisch

Really Swish?

Are you trying to insinuate Rodgers and LaFleurs relationship isn't healthy?
Are they having problems?
Can you enlighten those of us, who aren't informed what problems they are having?

Share your insight and help us understand please.

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Swisch's picture

April 10, 2021 at 01:36 pm

PF4L, I thought my take on how the players view things was actually a very honest and innocent statement with no insinuations.
It would be interesting to learn their observations on the relationship between Rodgers and LaFleur -- including from those in the huddle in key moments of big games as far as the play calling.
However, my actual comment was all about stating that we just don't know about the relationships between Rodgers and LaFleur and Gute -- and unless we find out something solid and significant in this regard, it may be a good time to move on and start enjoying the preparations and prospects for the upcoming season.
I could be wrong, PF4L, but it seems in general you tend to take my comments suspiciously.
Also, I feel like there's a couple or more fans here who downvote my comments reflexively, and perhaps one of them is you. Your sarcasm would have a better chance of hitting the mark if it was based on what I am actually writing.
I guess that's life, and I'm okay with it. My request is at least for a fair reading, and perhaps and occasional explanation.
Many times I'm simply asking questions and raising concerns rather than making definitive statements or offering strong opinions.
As regards Aaron Rodgers -- of whom I've stated categorically that I'm a big fan and genuine supporter -- it seems to me he obviously has an enigmatic slyness that cries out for questions and concerns.
As much as I root for him as a player and a person, I'm not going to idolize him by not raising my own questions and concerns -- many of which I think are shared by a large number of Packers fans.

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PF4L's picture

April 10, 2021 at 04:59 pm

#1) I didn't see a fiber of sarcasm in my comment to you. But it's your world to make up a fictional narrative.
I asked you a valid question based on your insinuations, that you obviously can't answer.

#2) I have never...EVER given anyone in here a thumbs down, that isn't my style. The administrator of this website could verify.
I don't give thumbs down. I leave a comment asking a question or making a point if i don't agree with someone.
Some of them return a message to me intelligently, some talking in circles without providing any basis for their opinion.

Note: You don't have to idolize anyone, but don't portray a false narrative to besmirch somebody's character without basis.

Thank you for understanding

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flackcatcher's picture

April 10, 2021 at 06:19 pm

Don't worry about it Swisch. You are a smart commenter well worth reading. PF4L is an old troll who has been around in at least three different nicks here at CHTV. Just think of him as white noise.

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PF4L's picture

April 10, 2021 at 11:27 pm

"PF4L is an old troll who has been around in at least three different nicks here at CHTV"

At least 3?

Show proof, have the administrator help you with ip address.

Otherwise...don't talk so stupid.

Are fictional narratives like a disease in here?

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PF4L's picture

April 12, 2021 at 08:29 am

Nothing?.........Sounds about right.

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April 10, 2021 at 11:32 pm

flackcatcher

April 10, 2021 at 06:48 pm

Father Time is undefeated. The Rodgers ship has sailed.
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I guess i should have considered the source...lol

Rodgers sail must have 3 big letters across it...MVP

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April 11, 2021 at 08:20 pm

You have just proved my point. "Dashing" off now...

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PF4L's picture

April 12, 2021 at 03:43 pm

M V P

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oceanstrength's picture

April 10, 2021 at 11:22 am

Well Cory, you did it again. Nice job of summarizing the basics.
Taking this approach gives it a fun perspective of simply watching the drama unfold.

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PF4L's picture

April 10, 2021 at 11:59 am

Cory went in deep in the Demvosky article.
The thing i find strange about that article is he had 4 people give opinions that were supposed to be anonymous and unbiased, But two of them referred to Gutenkunst as "Gutey". The only thing missing is "my buddy".

"and Rodgers will be blamed for taking up too much of the cap number. "

That's like blaming Rodgers for being too good.
Maybe it's Rodgers fault for spending 182 million in 8 days.

You want blame? Is it that hard to decipher?

I can name 5 moves by Gute where improving the present team was NOT the #1 priority the last 2 seasons.

I mean...as the Packers told Rodgers...Rodgers job is to play QB.
It's the teams job to build the roster.

So Cory's last line is "Now is the time to prove it" ?
Gute was made GM in 2018....but now is the time to prove he wants to win?
What would prove it Cory?
Getting a receiver? Getting a corner? Getting a DL? Getting a ILB? Or.....
Getting a rb when we had two good ones? Getting another tight end to stack on our pile of tight ends?
Spending 2 draft picks that can't help us now, on a player to sit for 3 years?
Spend the 12th pick of the draft on a position we are strong at , so strong, that he's drafted knowing...he'll be a bench player?

Yes...the fault must be Rodgers cap number. I can't think of ANY other reason.
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Anyone want to be mad at Rodgers cap number?....how about talking to Murphy and Ball? Murphy was so impressed with Ball, he wanted to promote him to GM. Remember?

Last i checked Rodgers isn't in charge of, or managing the team's salary cap. Or building a roster...But maybe i'm mistaken

If Rodgers cap number is the reason Gute can't provide a Championship team.....

Then do this.... get rid of Rodgers, and his cap number, start your first round project wonder boy QB. Then come back and let me know how all that worked out.

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April 12, 2021 at 12:18 pm

I love this post, it’s 100% accurate.. Murphy said” we’re not idiots”, well I think that remains to be seen Mark my boy.. Yes he tried to hire an accountant as gm, yes he held on to Mike McCarthy 5 years to long( a lot of tt in that as well), yes he took away the power of his gm and coach and made them not be able to make their own decisions.. That’s just three examples of idiotic behavior.. Everyone outside of the fans and this organization are scratching their heads at what is happening with this team, and mainly Rodgers.. Matt L is one of the bright spots of the FO, I’ll give credit to Murphy for that, and that alone.. He needs to stick to spending money and buying land..

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April 12, 2021 at 11:58 am

If we prematurely get rid of Rodgers to start love and it fails, Gute should be the first person fired, not the coach.. If that happens I hope he never gets another job in football, he’s barely an average gm, barely..

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