Cory's Corner: Mike Sherman 2.0
Joe Barry is coming back? You cannot be serious!
I cannot believe it. It is so nonsensical that it makes about as much sense as having a Friday fish fry without an old fashioned. (Sour of course.)
Packers coach Matt LaFleur has rubber stamped defensive coordinator Joe Barry, despite the Packers defense getting worse in nearly every category.
“I don’t really anticipate a whole lot, if any staff changes at all,” said LaFleur. “Certainly I think there’s a lot of things that all of us can improve upon, most notably myself. But I do believe in the people, not only in the locker room, but our coaching staff.”
If LaFleur goes through with this and retains Barry, then LaFleur will have morphed into Mike Sherman. And I know that Sherman was a coach and general manager, but he was also a pushover.
LaFleur has overlooked a lot of things this season — from continually opting for A.J. Dillon handoffs out of the shotgun to ignoring first team All-Pro Keisean Nixon.
I’ve said it before, I don’t think LaFleur should be fired. This was the first year that LaFleur’s Packers finished a season under .500. But even if this team floated above the average line, awful losses to the Jets and Commanders stained this season.
This is the time where LaFleur can put his foot in the ground, make a sound decision and show the locker room that he desperately wants to change the direction of the Packers.
The Packers were 25th in opponent rushing touchdown percentage, 26th in rushing yards a game and 30th in tackles per game. This defense was spineless and lacked vision. In the season finale, on fourth-and-1 from the Packers 15, corners were not playing on the line of scrimmage and Jared Goff easily completed a nine-yard season-ending pass to DJ Chark.
We all know what ensued. The Packers lost the game, the playoff hopes were dashed and now we all are left trying to put the clues together as to what happened.
Personally, I think general manager Brian Gutekunst did enough to stockpile this roster. Christian Watson and Zach Tom were diamonds from last year’s draft, but there were more than the second and fourth rounder. Quay Walker is a solid player as is Romeo Doubs as both showed flashes this past year.
So if the players were good enough, that leaves the coaching. With plenty of newbie weapons, the defense was supposed to take the first step. But it got absolutely torched — starting with the season opener against Minnesota.
It’s fine to wear the robe of loyalty, but you can’t do that while looking in a funhouse mirror. Matt LaFleur has to be honest about how things really were this season. The only reason the defense got back on track was because Barry opted for some press man coverage and allowed his athletes to be athletes. It’s why cover corner Jaire Alexander looked fantastic against Justin Jefferson in the rematch with the Vikings. It’s simple — Barry made sure that his best corner was guarding Minnesota’s best receiver.
If Barry does indeed come back, expect more vanilla as the defense tries to keep everything in front of them. It’s fine to not want to give up the big play, but what’s the difference if you die a slow death of paper cuts after a 10-play drive?
So don’t expect the late season Barry. Expect the Barry that is OK with bending for a 7-yard completion but would break out in hives over a 25-yard pass play.
And that’s why, if Barry comes back, it is no longer Barry in the crosshairs. It’s LaFleur.
Or should I say Sherman 2.0?
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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn
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Comments (63)
PearlyBakerBest
January 14, 2023 at 06:48 am
Expect the Barry that is ok with bending to a 15 yard completion on 3rd and 14.
Fixed it for you.
CheesedDeadHead
January 14, 2023 at 09:32 am
I wish it was that close.
KenEllis
January 14, 2023 at 11:25 am
We are the Packers and we almost always prefer our guys and do what we do.
In a time of constant change all around us in the modern world, it is comforting to think that some things never change.
So let's run it back with Barry in 2023, because nothing screams Packer football than the annual tradition of mediocre to crappy defensive play.
dblbogey
January 14, 2023 at 11:52 am
Whoever decided to play Royce Newman and Jake Hanson for half the season, with Zach Tom and Yosh sitting on the bench, and stayed with Amari Rodgers way, way too long, cost us at least 2 losses. Inexcusable decisions that gives me no confidence in whoever is in charge.
jannesbjornson
January 14, 2023 at 03:28 pm
This guy makes sherman seem competent...
coolhand
January 15, 2023 at 03:36 pm
It's Ed Donatel 4th and 24 all over again
jannesbjornson
January 15, 2023 at 04:09 pm
That tank was on sherman. Donatelle had the correct call on--the blitz. she rman called it off and went to a prevent D. True story.
stockholder
January 14, 2023 at 07:07 am
What a thumbs down for Barry. Maybe MLF only sees the thumb up?
If you can't stop them now. You won't later.
He must replace Barry if he wants to win a super-bowl.
SinceLombardi
January 14, 2023 at 12:53 pm
I’d say the board of directors must fire MLF, if they want to rebuild into a physical, resilient team that doesn’t quit after someone fumbles.
wildbill
January 14, 2023 at 01:13 pm
Exactly, physical teams put the Packers on their heels and control the game. Instead of the zone blocking we should have gotten some hogs and punished some people. With teams playing pass first a big, strong, offensive line would cause havoc as it does to us.
jannesbjornson
January 14, 2023 at 03:31 pm
The FO clowns have misread the direction of the new Offenses and blew the draft since 2017, No depth and no succession plan for the young players.
LLCHESTY
January 14, 2023 at 07:53 pm
You know they ran a lot more gap with pulling guards this year than they have in the past right?
jannesbjornson
January 15, 2023 at 04:10 pm
With the wrong players.
Houndog
January 14, 2023 at 07:34 am
Another great article, Cory, and dead-on!
LaFleur has been exposed, now he needs to show he's the right man for the job, and keeping Barry ain't gonna' do it.
For the first three years MLF had ridden on A-Rod's back (and/or Arm), and this year it wasn't there, nor was this super offense or the great play calling he supposedly brought with him when he was hired. The Packers' offense looks nothing like that of his mentor, Kyle Shanahan. (I'm a Packer fan in 9er territory) Shanahan has creativity, MLF has what, a terrible towel? His offense is so vanilla he should be wearing a skirt while twirling that towel.
And then Barry, WTF? One of the most talented and highly paid defenses and they can't stop a snail from gaining two yards. They're undisciplined, unprepared, and lack motivation, mimicking the statue of the DC standing on the sidelines with a clipboard. Where's the leader?
Right now you have two great candidates available in Leonhard and Evero, now is the time to move.
Let's see if MLF can trash the skirt, grow some balls, and do what needs to be done.
"It Is Time, It Is Time!"
ricky
January 14, 2023 at 07:52 am
Is there anyone who is looking at this coaching staff, and the recent string of playoff losses, saying with any kind of confidence, "Next year is when we win our next Super Bowl"? Or is it more likely the defense continues to underperform, Rodgers gets a year older and even more set in his ways, and the team once again spins its wheels. LaFleur is happy with the staff? Then he is satisfied with underachieving on both sides of the ball. And the team has also indicated they are going to welcome Rodgers back for another year. If so, Love will probably be asking for a trade. And someone will take him. And when Rodgers retires in two years, having padded his bank account, and there is no QB to take over? I always try to be optimistic, but this team is heading downhill in a car with no brakes and a steep cliff waiting.
Guam
January 14, 2023 at 08:02 am
Spot on comment Ricky. The FO indicated they want MLF and Rodgers back and MLF says he wants his whole coaching staff back. 2023 will be another "play it again" year with no reason to expect anything better than the 8-9 record they achieved this year. The Packers will be moribund until Murphy and Rodgers retire and the next GM cleans house of this coaching staff. (Sigh)
HawkPacker
January 14, 2023 at 08:18 am
With LaFleur stating that the coaching staff will be back, we can assume that he just does not get it and the whole coaching staff should be fired.
Guam
January 14, 2023 at 10:28 am
Agreed, but who is going to fire the coaching staff? Murphy and the rest of the FO are just as delusional as MLF.
SinceLombardi
January 14, 2023 at 12:54 pm
You’re absolutely right.. unfortunately
mnbadger
January 14, 2023 at 08:16 am
sorry, double post
mnbadger
January 14, 2023 at 08:17 am
If you were comatose during the season but woke up in time to see mlf and bg's year end pressers, you'd think we finished the season at 15-4 losing the NFCCG in a well played game to the eventual SB Champs.
Dare I say you'd be 180 degrees from the facts.
What happens to leadership of an organization that blinds them of the obvious?
They fail, miserably and totally until someone takes the keys and closes the doors.
As dandy don Meredith used to say "turn out the lights, the party's over" for 2022 and most assuredly 2023.
SHIT!
GPG!
jannesbjornson
January 14, 2023 at 03:43 pm
The circus performers were all given Contract Extensions right after the annual "shareholders" meeting with the brain trust Hiding out on the 50 yard line and far from the ear shots hurled by disgruntled "stockholders."
This Retreat from the body politic started under the Murphy regime. Like a censored War Zone. Their own little club. Maybe they should plan a trip to China for the next promo from NFL Marketing to get as far away as possible with the tainted on/off-field product.
croatpackfan
January 14, 2023 at 08:52 am
We can bitch as much as we will, but that has no influence on decision maker... I even consider to ask brilliant mind of "we are not idiots!" on Packers.com some questions, but finally decided not to. It does not make any difference as my question(s) would not be even presented to him.
It all started with Mark Murphy who went out trying to solve some bad "silos" issues, just to made more issues on his "silos" scheme.
He is the one who makes the most crucial decision about Packers team future, but based on his idea of making the profit for whole organization for 2 main reason: 1. to sell all products that are behind his tutelage and 2. to recieve huge bonus at the and of fiscal year, which will correspodent with higher revenue of whole "non-profit" (LOL) organization. He does not care about football operation and all of ACR talk rise that profit to the sky. With Jordan Love they will never reach that interest of NFL community and fans until his time will end in Green Bay Packers organization.
Coldworld
January 14, 2023 at 08:54 am
I’m not in favor of keeping Barry, but he’s not the real problem. In my view he is merely one symptom of the general incompetence of our coaching regime.
On the other hand, the Packers appear oblivious to the need for even self questioning of the off field aspects of this team. I fear that we are seeing an organization that is completely cocooned in its own myths and has retreated into a fantasy of its own creation. They are living in a castle in the air.
It’s sad, but all the signs I see indicate a gap from reality that is growing ever more rapidly. There’s no culture of self questioning as I see it, rather a cult of faith in their own wisdom. In that context, Barry is not going to make a meaningful difference to our chances either way. This leadership is deluded to the point of incapability from the top down. It looks like even Gute has now fully succumbed to the collective delusion.
Oh for a detached voice of reason within the organization. If ever there was a need for at least questioning minds in the Board it is now.
Rossonero
January 14, 2023 at 09:16 am
^^^THIS. Groupthink is evident at 1265 Lombardi Avenue. Everyone in the front office appears to be in agreement about the state of the Packers and nobody has a differing opinion.
For MLF to think this team is on the cusp of a deep playoff run or a SB appearance just shows how out of touch with reality he is.
As Nagler said today "the film keeps ending the same way but we keep waiting to go 'oh hey, it's a different ending this time!' Nope - same ending. This isn't Clue -- if you go back in the day -- where different shows have different endings."
CheesedDeadHead
January 14, 2023 at 09:30 am
"Groupthink is evident at 1265 Lombardi Avenue. "
I don't disagree, I think it's an outcome of having a leader (MM) that needs to surround themselves with YES "men". Everything becomes groupthink when you are falling over each other to say "yes boss ______ is a great idea."
jannesbjornson
January 14, 2023 at 04:03 pm
This occurs when one confuses competitive capitalism with oligarchic structures. Cartels in the case of the NFL.
croatpackfan
January 14, 2023 at 10:01 am
Coldworld, that praise and talk about ACR I'll take with grain of salt from Brian Gutekunst. He might be talking like that just to rise the price for ACR. I want to believe that Brian Gutekunst is the rare reasonable voice in whole structure made by Murphy. I might find out that I was fool to believe that.
At the end we can only wait final decision, not later than middle March. Peter Bukowski gave interesting explanation of ACR contract on one of his podcast. He interview one of the players agent to explain structure of the contract. Very interesting stuff.
LambeauPlain
January 14, 2023 at 11:06 am
Hubris often precedes the fall.
Murphy installed his Management by Committee with himself as chairman back in 2017 after McCarthy's constant complaining TT wasn't acquiring the players he needed as Ted's mental decline was evident to everyone in the FO.
He called it a temporary arrangement but kept it in place when he hired Gutey as "GM" in 2018.
Is Murphy the first Packers President to install himself as Acting GM? If so, why wasn't done previously?
Message to the Exec. Committee: How's it working?
marpag1
January 14, 2023 at 12:02 pm
"Message to the Exec. Committee: How's it working?"
Well, let's see. Murphy brought in Gute and kicked McCarthy to the curb in 2018. In the four full years from 2019 to now, his new coach has the highest win percentage of any active coach in the NFL except for Kevin O'Connell who has coached all of 17 fluky games with the Minnesota Vikqueens.
You sure that's the message you want the committee to consider?
jannesbjornson
January 14, 2023 at 04:11 pm
In their game of cut-throat, all that is supposed to matter is the end product. The latest bottom line result. The guys working the 19th green at the Oneida Country Club, understand the language.
lozmel
January 14, 2023 at 09:09 am
This team lacks emotion on both sides of the ball. The only semblance of emotion is on special teams. They constantly get pushed around on both sides of the ball .They are a soft team that needs someone to kick a boot up their asses. The offensive play calling is so predictable. Rodgers has to play hero ball by going deep in every crucial situation. Lets face the facts do you think Jordan Love could have played just as well as our $50 million QB ? We were a below 500 team . Need a more aggressive defensive coach. We are in cap hell for the next 2 seasons with nothing to show for it. The Packers were lucky that their division opponents were so bad for many years. Hackett went to the Broncos and we should have traded Rodgers For a boatload of picks . I say Trade Rodgers To the Raiders . Make the trade on the condition that the trade can't happen till june 1 to save us some cap space. Raiders pick is # 7 .Get what you can now.
CheesedDeadHead
January 14, 2023 at 09:22 am
"This team lacks emotion on both sides of the ball. The only semblance of emotion is on special teams. They constantly get pushed around on both sides of the ball .They are a soft team that needs someone to kick a boot up their asses."
To me it is indicative of players who have lost faith in the planning/scheming/play calling of their coaches. At some point max effort just isn't worth it if you believe that you are executing a failed plan. I think a new coach has a grace period, but I think it was clear early in the year that 1 year of Barry's swiss cheese defense of bend bend bend bend bend break was enough for a lot of the defense to begin to lose faith in the direction. Plus when players like Dean Lowry get so many snaps because he stays in his lane (on his back or on his stomach) makes other players wonder why the guys who make plays are sitting. It's a sign that your leaders (i.e. coaches) are losing the team.
jvole
January 14, 2023 at 12:08 pm
Pfffft "Rodgers has to play hero ball....". He LIKES to play hero ball and cannot (or will not) see wide open receivers running over the middle. He has ingrained tendencies that good DCs know and exploit by baiting him to throw deep to the sideline. I mean it's gotta be an adrenaline rush to roll out right and heave it for a touchdown to Davante. But when the DC knows you are going to do that, the fake the safety to the middle and have them peel back to cover the deep ball/favorite receiver.
jannesbjornson
January 14, 2023 at 04:18 pm
Agree, but where was the cross pattern for the #2 read or a TE to camp out on downs 1 and 2 ?
Houndog
January 15, 2023 at 05:51 am
lozmel,
"Make the trade on the condition that the trade can't happen till june 1 to save us some cap space, Raiders pick is # 7 "
Ah, that would mean we'd get the Raiders 2024 pick, not the 2023 pick. I like your idea of 'Having your Cake and eating it too' but somehow I'm pretty sure the NFL wouldn't.
TarynsEyes
January 14, 2023 at 10:15 am
Is it so surprising? Haven't we been subjected to such since the SB under McCarthy? One refused to fire the incompetent, and one doesn't know incompetence when he sees it.
jhtobias
January 14, 2023 at 10:37 am
Well this is no longer on Joe Berry he cannot keep himself employed this falls onto the shoulders of Matt Lafluer will he be held accountable for a talented underperforming defense in 2023 absolutely not . Just like he is never held accountable for lack of halftime adjustments or looking like Mike Sherman in the playoffs or important games.
Matt has a big problem . Aaron Rodgers especially in Cold Climate is no longer capable of masking mistakes if Aaron decides to come back. Gute said something very prevalent yesterday "I don't get involved in hiring coaches that decision is Matt's choice 100 percent. Even Gute see's the incompetence's take out Rich B .
Gute knows Matt answers to the puppet master murphy not him .
marpag1
January 14, 2023 at 11:28 am
I love the steely glint of pitchforks in the moonlight...
BirdDogUni
January 14, 2023 at 11:50 am
15 Nolan Smith EDGE | Georgia
45 Antonio Johnson S | Texas A&M
78 Luke Musgrave TE | Oregon State
115 Dontayvion Wicks WR | Virginia
149 Joe Tippmann OT | Wisconsin
170 Eric Gray RB | Oklahoma
219 Darius Rush CB | South Carolina
234 Elijah Higgins WR | Stanford
237 Kobie Turner DL | Wake Forest
240 Jay Ward S | LSU
stockholder
January 14, 2023 at 12:56 pm
Luke Musgrave will move up. Why ?
We only have to look at Richard Rodgers and Jake Sternberger.
When the speed went. They were easy to cover. And No YAC.
And it looks like Bob Tonyan might be Richard Rogers now.
We're not running the West Coast Offense with Chewie.
Your First three picks work.
But - A TE early might be a reach. Especially in this draft.
Considering the history of Gutey trying to fix TE too.
jannesbjornson
January 14, 2023 at 04:33 pm
With his injury, he was limited this season. He is better than Kincaid, when healthy (knee). We will have to wait until pro days and the other farce to check on his readiness.
LLCHESTY
January 14, 2023 at 07:57 pm
Tippman is a center but given Myers up and down play that works. Trade all 3rd round picks!
I don't think Antonio Johnson will be there at 45 but I like the idea of drafting him ever since I read he's an excellent tackler. Not a big ball guy though.
DTowleJr
January 14, 2023 at 12:01 pm
I see that the townspeople have come with their pitchforks and torches for the corpse of Joe Barry. They are a riled bunch, with hatred in their eyes and malice in their hearts. Woe to the gatekeepers...
Matt LaFleur should never have said that he wasn't looking to make any staff changes. That pigeon-holed him. EVERY person on the staff gets an evaluation. EVERY person on the staff needs a good evaluation to keep their job. Those that have not performed satisfactory must be replaced. Why, because, as the team grows, then so should the staff grow. You kept players based on their performance, so also should you keep coaches based on their performance. Just saying...
So, I looked at the headlines and saw who's out there. My first choice was Jim Leonhard. Not the fire and brimstone guy you all seem to want, but a guy who has been in the trenches not that long ago, someone who can relate to the youth on this team, and someone who seems to understand the big picture. After all, that's what the Packers are looking for. A wholesale changeover from soft to aggressive.
Besides Leonhard, the more I look around the league, the harder it is to find that Dan Campbell-like Defensive Coordinator. The Packers keep getting the soft ones with the nice personality. How about going for the irascible one who just pisses people off but gets the job done? That would change the defense's mentality. More anger and less tea-time at the country club.
marpag1
January 14, 2023 at 12:28 pm
You want a "Dan-Campbell-like Defensive Coordinator?"
Um... his Lions team was dead last in total yards allowed, dead last in yards per play, 30th in passing yards allowed, 29th in rushing yards allowed, and 30th in points allowed.
Let's try NOT to get a Dan Campbell-like defensive Coordinator.
Houndog
January 15, 2023 at 06:05 am
marpag1,
I think DTouleJr was talking more about personality than anything else, Campbell has the Tough-guy personality the Packers need.
You say,
"Um... his Lions team was dead last in total yards allowed, dead last in yards per play, 30th in passing yards allowed, 29th in rushing yards allowed, and 30th in points allowed."
And I say, "yeah, you're right, and they still stuffed the Packers".
That game was about attitude and who wanted it more, the Lions won!
marpag1
January 15, 2023 at 06:29 pm
Right. Throughout the 2022 season, the Lions showed how much they "wanted it" by being the shittiest, cream-puff of a defense in the entire NFL. That's awesome.
Crazedcamel
January 16, 2023 at 08:38 am
Held MLF-ACR juggernaut to 12.5 a game
croatpackfan
January 14, 2023 at 12:42 pm
There is no way you'll get quality coach for any phase of the team because they do not like the way organization, especially football part of it is running. They do not want to have in their resimes failures that are not of their incompetence.
If you got hard person DC, you'll got immediate turmoil in locker room, like Hackett had at Broncos where D and O almost finish in punching fists in each others. That is why Hackett was fired.
Everything on team starts with HC. He is the one who need to install culture, not coordinators. If HC looks just the part of team he is "expert" of, other 2 phases will feel that they are not respected. And that is the whole story...
jannesbjornson
January 14, 2023 at 05:48 pm
Dan Campbell is an ex-NFL TE. He earned his pay grade by running the NOLA offense for Clayton. He understands more points win games. Aaron Glenn, his DC, is an up and coming talent. A top flight CB in his day.Their defense improved as the season progressed. We witnessed his front ass kick the wide-zone concepts, last week. His secondary will become dominant when they are Healthy.
BAMABADGER
January 14, 2023 at 12:12 pm
Sit back and relax nothing is going to change until July 13, 2025, which is Alfred E. Newman's 70th birthday.
ImaPayne
January 14, 2023 at 06:39 pm
Not everyone is aware Murphy is Al E Neumans younger brother from another mother.lol
SinceLombardi
January 14, 2023 at 12:52 pm
Yeah it could be Sherman 2.0 or worse. It seems everything came up rotten all at once… front office, GM and coaching staff. If it wasn’t for Rich Bisaccia I’d say this is as bad as a staff can get.
When Rodgers was balling he covered sooo many of MLF warts.
He’s unable to do that and we were 8-9 with a relatively easy schedule. It’s amazing more people don’t recognize how bad this guy is.
It would be a miracle if a MLF team ever punched back against a physical team. Instead we get high priced rookies repeatedly abusing opponents trading staff.
I’d rather the win 3 games and fight their ass off every week than the crap he put on the field this year.
rowe450
January 14, 2023 at 02:52 pm
Loved the article:
Only disagreement - No, Guntkunst DID NOT do enough to upgrade the Packers roster.
The lack of experience and skill in the wide receiver position ended the season before it started.
The rest Barry, the defense, the lack of identity I agree with. Where's the accountability for the showing of this past season?
ImaPayne
January 14, 2023 at 07:08 pm
So Gutt drafted walker who took forever to figure things out, and Wyatt who spent the summer eating chicken and ribs, man he is fat and slow. Thus two of Gutts first round picks contributed nothing to this team. Watson had too many injuries to be useful till the end of the season.
Gutt has picked poorly imo
stockholder
January 14, 2023 at 03:09 pm
Pre - Combine
@15 Isiah Foskey Edge ND.
@45 Rashee Rice WR SMU -
@78 JL Skinner. S. Boise
@115 Gervin Dexter. Dt FL
@149 ZACK Kuntz TE. Old Dominion
@170 Hunter Luke. FB ND State
@219 Trevon Flowers S Tenn
@234. Arik Gibert TE Georgia.
@237 Deonte Banks S Maryland
@240. Taulia Tagovailoa QB Maryland
jannesbjornson
January 14, 2023 at 05:18 pm
PFN.
#15 to NYG for #22/54.
#22 Broderick Jones OT, Georgia ( missed Joey Porter,Jr CB at #21) if Bhak goes this guy moves in.
#1 2024+5th 2024 to LAR for #36.
#36 Uzomah, EDGE, Kansas State ( make the move, there is minimal pass rush without Gary).
#45 Schmitz C/OG, Gophers ( Fortify the Interior).
#54 Sean Tucker, Syracuse ( A.Jones is traded/cut).
#78 Tucker Kraft, TE South Dakota State (closer to Kittle than Kelce).
# 113 Cory Trice CB/S Purdue
#116 Burton Cox , edge Florida(. Missed Benton DT,Badger by a pick He will be a 3rd rd guy)
#201 Mustipher DT Penn State
#210 Dontay Demus WR, Maryland
#216 Max Duggan QB, TCU
stockholder
January 15, 2023 at 06:33 pm
Like the trade down. In fact I've run trades a lot.
But the better player is at 15, if Defense is the priority. .
Which leads us to Tanking. Why Tank just to trade Down?
Thats Why Rodgers still started. The packers have to re-load offense.
And the OL won't be the target with Jenkins re-signing.
If Barry stays it's EDGE all the way.
And keeping Rodgers gives Gutey that advantage.
That offense can be taken later.
BAMABADGER
January 14, 2023 at 06:48 pm
Kinda glad we lost last week. Just completed watching the 49er's Mr. Irrelevant and the 49er D destroy Seattle. The Packers would have been totally embarrassed in San Fran.
ImaPayne
January 14, 2023 at 07:15 pm
Ya running backs catching passes in the flats, running backs breaking tackles, raw qb not afraid to roll out and toss the ball down field rather then out of bounds in discusts.
The 9ers are so more talented then gb it's pathetic. Seattle would have kicked our ass too.
Teams with playmakers.
ImaPayne
January 14, 2023 at 07:15 pm
Ya running backs catching passes in the flats, running backs breaking tackles, raw qb not afraid to roll out and toss the ball down field rather then out of bounds in discusts.
The 9ers are so more talented then gb it's pathetic. Seattle would have kicked our ass too.
Teams with playmakers.
Houndog
January 15, 2023 at 06:25 am
Bama,
I said the same thing after last Sunday's game, that the Lions had saved us from the embarrassment of going to SF and getting killed.
I was rewarded with a $hitload of 'Thumbs-down's"!
FTR, I gave you a thumbs-up, you nailed it.
ImaPayne
January 14, 2023 at 06:59 pm
The reality has set in for us at least. I agree with so much already said. I too think LeFleur showed up with someone else's playbook and winged it having a hof qb lead the way. I also think mgmt thinks this is a top notch team in need or no change, and any loss is a fluke, Rodgers game was slightly off that day. This is the pack and we're great.
Last Barry has little to work with. He even said he can't play press coverage the talent ain't there. His d is a result of having crap players - Stokes is an idiot, Amos not much smarter and lacks speed, Douglas lost in space and to slow to cover, Ford is a third stringer.
The draft cannot save this team from the bottom of the NFC north. House cleaning starts this time next year.