Contending In 2023 - The Nuts And Bolts

If the Packers want to contend in 2023, they will need to keep as many of their good players as possible while complying with the salary cap limit.  It looks to me like the Packers would have to "touch" the deals of every player with a 2nd or 3rd contract.  Here is what they would have to do to retain the core of the team while re-signing their free agents.  The Packers need $19M to get under the 2023 cap, about $30M to pay for draft picks, the PS, and have a piggy bank, and about $50M to sign most of their bigger free agents, as I noted in the 2023 Salary Cap - Trying to Contend article.

 

AARON JONES ($10.515M/$16.154M):

If the Packers could find $19M elsewhere, they could keep Jones on the roster until the new league year starts, and then designate him as a post-June release to gain $16.15M on the salary cap, with $5.526M dead in 2024.  They could also trade him, but since he is due $16.2M cash in 2023, he probably would not bring a high draft pick despite being a really good player, but Green Bay might still get something for him.  However, the Packers are much better with Jones and it is a long season, so having two quality running backs would be a great idea.  Here is what the Packers could do on a simple restructure:

Yr Base SB Pro Roster GA/WO Rest Cap # Save Dead
23 1.08M $4.013M   $900K $3.505M $9.498M $10.515M  
24 $11.0M $4.013M   900K $3.505M $19.518M $3.336M $16.154M
25 Void 1.526M     7.11M $8.637M   $8.637M
26 Void              

The best thing from Jones' point of view might be a release so his new team will give him a three or four-year deal with guaranteed money.  Jones' dead money charge in 2023 at present is $9.55M on a straight release, and this restructure would increase it to $16.15M, a significant increase.  This is a true "borrow from the future" move.

 

PRESTON SMITH ($6.25M) [Running Total - $16.765M]:

Given Gary's injury, Preston Smith is extremely likely to be on any 2023 Packers' team.  He has a $2M base and a $7.5M roster bonus.  A simple restructure would convert his roster bonus and lower his base to the minimum.  It might look like this:

Yr. Base SB GA/WO Rest Cap # Save  Dead
23 $1.165M $2.44M $1.1M $2.08M $6.79M $6.25M  
24 $5.7M $2.44M $1.3M $2.08M $16.92M $3.36M $13.56M
25 $12.0M $2.44M $1.4M $2.08M $17.92M $8.88M $9.04M
26 $12.6M $2.44M $1.5M $2.08M $18.62M $14.1M $4.52M

That would not be all that bad.  Smith's highest percentage of the cap was 6.6% between 2019 and 2022, but only because the Packers had to keep knocking his number down.  His $13.5M AAV was 7.17% of 2019's $188.2M cap limit.  $16.92M of the projected $225M cap for 2023 comes in at 7.52%.  While this is not that painful of a restructure, Smith does turn 32 in 2024 and his dead money has crept up (from $9.76M at present for 2023 to the proposed $13.56M in 2024), meaning it would be helpful if he can play 2 full additional seasons without regressing.  I like Preston Smith despite always wishing for a little more out of him.  

 

RASHAN GARY ($3.025M)  Running Total - $19.79M]:

I estimated $3.1M in savings on an extension.  Ken Ingalls just suggested these numbers for Gary's extension, which result in $3.025M in 2023 cap savings.  Ken's numbers are excellent.  The running total should be enough to meet the bare minimum necessary by March 15, 2023.

 

KENNY CLARK ($10.38M) [Running Total - $30.17M]:

This is already an abused contract.  It only provided $2.1M in cash payments in year two (2021) when it was signed despite being written for $17.1M AAV.  Then they did a max restructure for 2022 when some of the bigger money hit.  Now it is a mess.  Would you consider extending Clark?  What would one pay him?  He will be 30 in 2025, his first void year (which would also be the first year of new money).  He was elite in 2017 and 2018, and was a high quality starter in 2019 and 2020, but just a quality starter in 2021 and average this year.  I do not like the trajectory.  Releasing him with a post-June designation provides $16.25M in cap savings in 2023 with $13.17M dead in 2024.  The defensive line has not been good with him, and would look threadbare without him, so he is returning in 2023.  Adding another void year gains less than $700K in additional 2023 cap space.

YR Base SB GA/WO Rest Cap Save Dead
23 1.165M 7.72M 1.25M $3.46M $13.6M $10.38M  
24 $15.5M $7.72M $1.45M $3.46M $28.18M $4.63M $23.546M
25 Void $5.446M Void $6.92M $12.366M   $12.366M
26 Void            

This isn't Nick Perry territory because there would be cap savings.  With this change, the Packers have enough cap space for the 52nd, 53rd contracts, the PS, their draft picks and an in-season $5M piggy bank.

 

JAIRE ALEXANDER ($8.68M) [Running Total - $38.85M]:

Under a simple restructure, Alexander's cap hits would not be that dissimilar to other top 3 cornerbacks like Jalen Ramsey and Denzel Ward.  Alexander would have to play like a top 3 cornerback. 

YR Base SB ROS GA/WO Rest Cap Save Dead
23 $1.08M $6M   $1.35M $2.9M $11.32M $8.68M  
24 $6.65M $6M $8M $1.35M $2.9M $24.898M -$1.8M $26.69M
25 $16.15M $6M   $1.35M $2.9M $26.4M $8.6M $17.8M
26 $18.15M $6M   $1.35M $2.9M $28.4M $19.5M $8.9M

The new running total of cap savings would probably pay for the first year of Elgton Jenkins' extension with perhaps something left over.

 

DAVID BAKHTIARI  ($11.28M) [Running Total - $50.13M]:

How do you solve a problem like Bakhtiari?  It is a mixed question of medical issues, still owing $39M over 2 years (none guaranteed) plus significant dead money versus a player who is still close to elite when he plays.  He is 3rd in pass blocking win rate at 94% per ESPN (Yosh Nijman came in 8th at 93% and 1st in Run Block Win Rate at 84%).  Make no mistake, though: Nijman gets help and Bakhtiari does not, particularly in pass pro.  Their PFF grades are 82 versus 66 for Nijman.  If Rodgers is the starter, there is a good chance Bakhtiari returns, and if not, then there is a good chance Bakhtiari is released with a post-June designation to gain $17.5M in cap space or traded to gain some cap space and a draft pick.  A simple restructure using his current contract length gains just $7.5M.  I think Green Bay would need more space to actually contend (they probably need more space to really contend than they can achieve), so below I have added two void years:   

YR Base SB GA/WO Rest Cap Save Dead
23 $1.165M $11.56M $1.3M $3.76M $17.788M $11.28M  
24 $20.2M $11.56M $1.3M $3.76M $36.825M $13.97M $22.857M
25 Void N-A Void $3.76M $7.52M   $7.52M
26 Void     $3.76M      

Without the void years, Bakhtiairi's 2024 cap number hits $40.582M and with just one void year it would be $37.94M.  Then again, as written today (without a restructure), his 2024 cap number is $33.065M.  No left tackle can justify any of those 2024 cap numbers.  Another way to look at it is that Bakhtiari's scheduled dead money charge is $23.131M next March, while under this restructure above it is $22.857M in 2024, about $275K less, so the restructure just pushes roughly the same dead money charge a year further out.  With this move, the Packers probably can sign Jenkins, Lazard, Tonyan, and Lewis.

 

DEVONDRE CAMPBELL ($2.46M) AND RASUL DOUGLAS ($1.585M) [Running Total - $54.175M]:    

Campbell is due $4.45M in cash between his base salary and his $3M roster bonus.  The Packers could convert $3.285M to a signing bonus amortized over his 4 remaining years to save $2.46M.  That would add $821K to his cap numbers in 2024, 2025 and 2026.  Campbell turns 30 in July.  The numbers are not big enough to really move the needle too far in any direction.

Rasul Douglas is due $4.25M in base salary plus his roster bonus.  The Packers could convert $3.17M to a signing bonus prorated over his remaining two years to gain $1.585M in cap savings.  Adding void years would increase that number. His cap number would be $5.18M in 2023 and his new 2024 cap number would be $12.35M.

 

OTHER:

The Packers could gain over $5M by adding 4 void years to Darnell Savage's $7.9M one-year deal.  I see no incentive for Savage to agree to that and have no idea what he might demand.

The Packers could convert as much of Nijman's $4.3M RFA tender as allowed to a signing bonus to save $2.582M.  They did that with Tonyan with mixed results.

The Packers could re-sign Dean Lowry ($3M dead) and Adrian Amos ($7.95M dead) before their dead money accelerates.  Amos has a $2.258M proration for 2023, so signing him early for $5M would mean he would play in 2023 with a cap hit of $7.258M (with $5.692M dead in 2024) instead of not playing for Green Bay with a dead money hit of $7.95M.  I would imagine that Amos would want to see what his market value is during the legal tampering period before signing what would essentially be a one-year, $5M deal, but that is too late to prevent the full $7.95M from hitting the 2023 cap.  

You can look at the numbers from Ken Ingalls' tweet.

 

CONCLUSION:

I suspect there would be too many holes to really contend even if the Packers kept all their guys and re-signed Jenkins, Lazard, Tonyan, and Lewis (or used the excess cap space generated on some other unrestricted free agents). 

If Aaron Rodgers retires (or is traded), perhaps the Packers restructure Preston Smith and Kenny Clark while extending Rashan Gary to comply with the cap.  They could then trade Bakhtiari and/or Aaron Jones to gain more cap space (enough to get through the 2023 season) and get some sort of draft picks.  Or they could wait for the new league year to start and release Bakhtiari and Jones to gain $17.5M and $16M on post-June designations while leaving the contracts of Preston Smith, Campbell, Douglas and Alexander alone.  That, however, is a discussion for the next article on the 2023 salary cap.

 

SIDE NOTE - RELEASE OF SAMMY WATKINS/JAIRE ALEXANDER:

The Packers released Sammy Watkins to gain a roster spot for Patrick Taylor.  They also reap gap gains, particularly now that the Ravens claimed him (and his contract) on waivers, making them responsible.  Despite being released, as a vested veteran, Watkins could have made a claim for base pay for the last three weeks of his $1.12M base salary.  Now that he was claimed, he can no longer make such a claim.  $1.12M divided by 18 weeks is $62,222 per week, times three yields a cash and cap savings of $186.67K.  He also will no longer be active for the last four games at a further savings of $77.64K.   Altogether the Packers saved $264.3K by waiving Watkins.

Jaire Alexander was named to the Pro Bowl on the original ballot, triggering a $250,000 escalator.  Oh well, easy come, easy go. 

 

 

 

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stockholder's picture

December 22, 2022 at 08:20 pm

Keep one thing in mind. Only Alexander is going to the pro-Bowl.
Currently- Look who isn't practicing.
How do you spend money on the injuries, regression, and age.
Unless Gutey gets Locked into drafting an OL. - He can't afford Bahk and Jenkins.

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 23, 2022 at 10:23 am

Well, we extended Jenkins, so I guess Bakh is out the door...

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 23, 2022 at 07:18 pm

Now draft an OT in round two.

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stockholder's picture

December 23, 2022 at 09:23 pm

Don't draft any early.

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Coldworld's picture

December 22, 2022 at 08:47 pm

Keep them all and do we contend? This seems plausible in cap terms but I agree with you that it’s not sensible in football terms. Some extensions for younger players make sense in both cap and football terms, but some others are ones that we need to improve upon if we are to contend or have other in roster options that allow us to fill other holes if we move on.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 22, 2022 at 09:07 pm

That is why your concern over the coaching issues is most troublesome. Defense first. I really thought the defense would be top 10. At present, I don't know who will be the defensive coordinator, or if the selection will be a good one. I don't know if some players are regressing, getting old, or if it is the scheme. I remember just last March suggesting extending Amos because he seemed so professional, and I figured he would keep himself in great shape and his football IQ would help soften any issues with advancing age. As to Douglas and Campbell, I think there is a narrative out there that they are terrible. They aren't. Probably both are roughly worth their AAV.

Offense is interesting. I know I have arguments with my friend about the super duper WR, but this offense looks much different with Watson on the field and healthy. I am a little more restrained in my praise for Doubs, but Watson, Doubs, Lazard and rookie might look good in 2023. I am not a fan of an OL of Tom, Jenkins, Myers, Runyan and Nijman in 2023. I have a price in mind for Jenkins ($16M AAV) but no idea what he might get. I have been reading articles about the cap exploding in 2024 and 2025, and I don't doubt players signing a deal for 2023 are looking at a potential salary cap limit of $255M in 2024 and $270M plus in 2025.

I have written that I would not be sad if AR retires. Now I saw Ken Ingalls writing about how the Packers should pull the trigger on a trade for AR if they can get two first and two seconds (but then he says that is probably too rich of an offer to reasonably expect). I'd trade AR for a single first round pick. I'd take two seconds if one was conditional so as to bump it up to a first if the acquiring team reaches the super bowl, etc. I'd find the $8.6M to make that trade.

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Coldworld's picture

December 22, 2022 at 11:13 pm

If we trade Rodgers it’s not because of what we get but because we have come to realize that Rodgers plus this cap and roster is a dead end. In that case, what we get is secondary to what we do not incur in terms of future cap. Essentially the payback is a way out: any picks are a bonus. Horrible in comparison to what might have been but better than what could be if the belief in contention has been lost.

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 23, 2022 at 09:47 am

Jenkins I would either let walk or exercise the Franchise Tag and trade him for a 2nd round pick so we can at least get some compensation. I think he will be to expensive to realistically retain in 2023. Other teams would be happy to get a great offensive lineman. Besides, there are good Guard prospects in the draft, too. O'Cyrus Torrence of Florida, Andrew Vorhees of USC, and Cooper Beebe of Kansas St are all guys I could see the Packers going and getting.

In a Rodgers trade, I would ask for a first round pick, a fourth round pick, and a 2024 fourth-round pick. I think that is fair. I have looked, and the Jets have (or can easily create) enough space in 2023 and beyond for Rodgers' contract. Their miserable QB play (did you see last night's game?!) should only incentivize them to be in the Rodgers trade talks.

Why don't you like Nijman and Tom? I am a big fan of both. Nijman would be cheap and easy to retain for 4.6m.

Let Lazard walk; he is aging, and we won't have enough to pay him with the current WR market. We can draft another WR in the 2nd-3rd round.

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December 23, 2022 at 10:11 am

You keep referring to Lazard as "aging". He just turned 27 two weeks ago.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 23, 2022 at 02:45 pm

I do like Nijman and Tom. I'd like Love to get a fair evaluation as well, and that means a solid OL. Both Nijman and Tom have upside, but they aren't proven OTs. Nijman gets help, but it is much harder to give help to both OTs. That's why having a Bakh is so useful: he needs no help and GB can park Lewis (or his replacement) next to Nijman on the other side.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 22, 2022 at 08:48 pm

This is what I would do as the administrative assistant to a GM who insisted on this approach, even though I do not approve of the trying to contend in 2023 approach which underlies these contract moves. Too many of these contracts look ugly already. If the players whose contracts get restructured play well for 2 or 3 years, the restructures don't matter nearly as much. The problems occur when a player regresses (or gets injured) such that the team has to take a giant dead money charge.

I think it is helpful to actually see the contracts in print. It would probably help if the old contract and the restructured contract were both printed so they could be compared. I didn't due that to keep the length down.

I think readers can see the broad outlines of a future article on what to do in various scenarios. Should Jordan Love end up the starter in 2023 due to AR's trade, the Packers would have to find not $19M just to comply with the salary cap, but also another $8.6M (IIRC), pushing that number to $27M or $28M, roughly. The Packers would have to identify the players they want to keep, mangle their contracts, and then decide how much talent they need around Love to fairly evaluate him. Does he need a very expensive dancing bear of a left tackle? And an elite RB in Jones? Is it okay to have a dreadful defense? If AR retires, the situation would be greatly eased because his dead money could be divided up into roughly $15M in 2023 (so there are cap savings in that year) and $24M dead in 2024. Gute could leave some contracts alone, or take less drastic amounts for the restructures, and trading some guys would be more realistic because other GMs would know that the Packers don't "have to" move on from any player. Lots of times teams can't trade a guy if other GMs know the player has to be released.

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Coldworld's picture

December 22, 2022 at 09:00 pm

Gute does not handle the contracts as I understand it. Ball reports only to Murphy, which adds a layer of opacity that makes little sense to me.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 22, 2022 at 09:15 pm

I think Murphy should only be involved if a proposed contract required the Packers to dip into their reserve fund. I suppose there might be other scenarios, perhaps salaries of the coaches, but otherwise I can't think of any.

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Coldworld's picture

December 22, 2022 at 11:17 pm

Perhaps, but right now he’s the only common link. Gute can’t tell Ball what to do or on what terms. Presumably there’s negotiation with Murphy as the arbiter. Ball presumably can tell Gute he’s not paying that much or agreeing to such terms just as much as Gute can ask for this player or that to be extended.

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Since'61's picture

December 22, 2022 at 09:22 pm

Im fine with releasing Bak next June. But I would try to retain Jones and Jenkins. Lazard can go to FA. We can compete with Watson, Doubs, Toure and maybe Winfree plus a vet FA and another WR draft pick. We need a TE and some OL depth.

On defense I think that we need to keep Clark on the DL. If the Packers don't keep Clark we can't compete on the DL. We probably need P. Smith until Gary returns which won't be until middle of next season. we caplet Savage and Amos go and acquire a FA safety to play with Ford. We should also draft at least one Safety. I'm not sure retaining Douglas is a good idea any longer.

Keep the OL together except for Bak. Keeping Jones with Dillon and Watson gives whoever plays QB 3 very good weapons to work with. Add a TE, plus doubt as the #2 Wr and the offense can do some damage. The defense needs to be built around Gary when he returns, Clark, Walker, Engabare and Alexander. Draft safety, DL and DBs. ILB if available later in the draft.

Most importantly fire Barry and hire a legit NFL DC. The Packers added Bisaccia, a legit NFL ST coach and the unit is coming around nicely. Imagine adding the Bisaccia equivalent of a DC.

tough to really think about 2023 while this season is still in progress. Thanks, Since '61

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 23, 2022 at 06:48 am

It is time to check to see if you tightened all the screws and see how much duct tape you used.

$10.515M - retain Jones.
$6.250M - retain Preston Smith
$3.025M - extend Gary
$10.38M - restructure Clark (I hate that number)
$3.23M --- release Douglas

$33.4M total cap savings prior to March 15. [GB couldn't get Alexander's restructure of his 5th year option done in time, but it can wait.]

$17.5M - Bakh post june designation > 3/15/23.
-$7.08M - Sign Jenkins - that's his first year cap #.
[+$5M release douglas post june with $1.76M dead in '24]
???? Sign FA safety
???? Sign FA TE

$10.42M more (I assume a straight release of Douglas) minus whatever it costs to sign a UFA safety, UFA TE, and a free agent CB. Douglas's cap number is $6.76M - if released, GB is going to need a starting CB, and I don't think one can be found better than Douglas for $6.76M. Keep him, and leave his contract alone.

As for the nuts and bolts, Since '61, no obvious leaks. Couple of areas are not quite straight, perhaps. I don't like your returning offensive line, but there is a draft.

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Coldworld's picture

December 23, 2022 at 09:40 am

Why release Douglas? He’s not awful. As you said earlier, he’s about what we pay for and in a D that’s a lot less than it seems it should be.

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Coldworld's picture

December 23, 2022 at 09:43 am

Jenkins has been very good over the last month. If there is a Bakh like hangover condition, then maybe, but otherwise that would be foolish in my view. At this point I think it’s just a recognition of a big man coming off a knee issue.

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 23, 2022 at 09:51 am

I do not like that option because of what it does for 2024 and beyond. All for what, to be a mediocre football team for years to come? This team has delayed the day of reckoning long enough. It is time to bite the bullet. I know it is hard to wrap our heads around, but we need to release our 28-year old RB (who won't be getting any younger) for the cap savings. Jones is a great guy, but football is business. As for Jenkins, I don't think the Packers will be able to provide what he wants. Smith is a trade token, probably for a 4th rounder. We shouldn't act in FA; just draft a SS and a TE

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stockholder's picture

December 23, 2022 at 07:59 am

Jenkins did not practice again. If his knee is questionable. I doubt he returns.

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 23, 2022 at 09:53 am

It is not practical to retain Aaron Jones because of his immense cap hit. I think extending a 28 year old RB makes no sense. It is a tough pill to swallow, but I don't see how Jones stays next year.

This whole idea of contending next year makes no sense to me. All for what, to be a mediocre team? This roster that we won't even be fully bringing back is currently 6-8. I'm not sure why we would want to go all in just to be mediocre.

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egbertsouse's picture

December 23, 2022 at 07:49 am

They aren’t going to contend by keeping the overpaid underachievers already on the roster. Time to blow the whole thing up and have a couple of 2-15 seasons and get some high draft picks. Of course, if would also mean blowing up the FO and hoping to get some good drafts that aren’t full of overrated CB’s and safeties who won’t tackle.

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 23, 2022 at 09:55 am

A little extreme, but I generally agree. Keep Gutekunst; I think he's done a nice job in generall drafting; remember, only Jackson and Savage were Gutey's whiffs. We also have to talk about Alexander, who was a hit.

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PackyCheese500's picture

December 23, 2022 at 09:58 am

This just in - the Packers have extended Elgton Jenkins to a 4 year, 68m deal at an average of 17m yearly

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HarryHodag's picture

December 23, 2022 at 11:10 am

I've never joined in on the 'fire everybody' mentality that permeates many fan sites.

But I've concluded this set of players as a group does not constitute a Super Bowl winning combination of talent.
Reynaldo's outline clearly shows the degree to which the team is borrowing from the future for now. To me, now was this year. With Jordan Love nearing the end of his first contract it's time to blow it up and start over, as painful as that will be. The Packers could be the Bears for a couple of years.

This means cutting ties with Rodgers, Bahktiari, Cobb, Lewis, Jones, Lowry, Amos, Crosby, Lazard, and depending on the draft, Tonyan. The cap hit on these losses would give a banker a heart attack. But there comes a time when the salary cap has to get back into line so instead of stealing from Peter to pay Paul the team is actually acquiring great talent it can afford. The Saints took the Packers approach and kept a slightly better than average team for quite awhile. But they're cratering now. As a footnote, Russ Ball worked for them too.

I scorned Ted Thompson during his day for being 'Tightwad Ted'. Ted took the salary cap thing too far but I would much prefer having more space than constantly trying to jimmy numbers to fit only to have a .500 team or less.

Losing those players I mentioned would deeply hurt, but with pain is gain.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

December 23, 2022 at 10:57 pm

Amen. This roster is not going to compete in a meaningful manner next year. The cuts and trades will hurt, the record will probably truly tank but the time has come. Let QB/GM12 engineer a trade and pocket whatever assets are available. Pay much of his salary if need be. A year late already but the window came crashing down.

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