We're seeing something these last few weeks and it sure ain't pretty. The brain drain the Packers went through in the offseason maybe just as impactful, if not more so, than the player talent loss. This 2022 team looks lost. Inept on offense, soulless on defense, and there's no one any good at map reading on the coaching staff anymore. Matt LaFleur is kind of being exposed as a cruise-control head coach because week in and week out it's the "let's do more of what's not working, but harder!" strategy with the expected results.

Hackett, Getsy, and Stenavich were integral parts of an offense that was light years ahead of the current iteration production-wise. Two are gone, and one has been Peter Principled to the OC position.

WTF are we doing? Sums up the season so far!

Now there is a lot of season left to play out but……

My questions are as follows:

Why do you sign this QB to a $50 million deal and not bring in any legit guys to throw too except the broken down Sammy Watkins and some draft choices?

Why isn’t Degura “the great Swiss Army knife” being used more? Tonyan isn’t exactly George Kittle!

If the RB’s are your best Offensive chess pieces, Why the F’’K aren’t they using them ALOT?

The Packers finally paid up to fix the Special Teams debacle (after being cheap asses) and brought in some good Teams guys. Them why the F’’k didn’t they finish the job and get a real return man?

Why when Aaron Rodgers called for the benching of players who aren’t holding up their end, did no one ask where he was all offseason to build chemistry with these guys?

Why doesn’t somebody take away MLF’s man card? His Vagina is showing!

That is all…

The spot light is on Rodgers and not this team. Let's feel Sorry for everyone but Rodgers. If it's too soon to get LeFluer out of here.
Let's go for Rodgers Jugular. WE get it. The MVP awards don't mean crap. Because he's just not playing up to his ballon salary.
He's the reason for No more trophies, and we've had enough of his baloney.
We'll welcome to the Dan Morino Dolphins. Obviously Lefluer is Dan Devine. And I'll bet.the fans will soon compare Gutey to Sherman.
No- You don't bench Rodgers and Blow everything up. Because Gutey wanted to put Love in Rodgers shoes.
Hero ball doesn't exist on good teams. And good teams wouldn't have this OL. Rodgers should be shooting fish in a barrel.
Instead he's doing what LeFluer's coaching staff didn't do. Bringing the problems to a head. Even if it means his head on a silver platter.

Great work Al. At least we here are all on the same page. Wish the team was. Clueless coaching and now the QB.

"I have a feeling they're the two main guys Rodgers was referring to when he said players that are making too many mistakes shouldn't be playing so much. Although I do wonder if that applies to himself, also?"

AND

"Rodgers yelling "WTF are we doing?" to the bench after throwing a pass to the ankles of a stationary and wide open Romeo Doubs."

I hate to sound like a broken record but this is EXACTLY the kind of shit I was talking about yesterday in my comments. Rodgers once again blames everybody else. Rodgers should know every time he points a finger at someone else he's got 3 pointing back at himself. Corny? Sure, but it's also true. ESPECIALLY when Rodgers is criticizing others instead of looking at what HE could do better... IMO theres A LOT of things he could be doing better.

Who’s in command? Come on, we all know who’s really in command in GB.

I hope LaFlower was watching Pat McTankTop’s show so he can get his marching orders for the next game.

- "While I went for the easy pun, "who's in command" is really the main question I have about these Green By Packers - and specifically the offense. It's hard for me to understand the scheme they are running based on the personnel they have. Good coaches find the style that best suits the abilities of the players. Of course, LaFleur's hands are a bit tied, although it's his own fault for being so deferential to Aaron Rodgers right from the get-go. It's likely too late at this point to try to wrest full control of his team, so the success of this team is likely in serious jeopardy."

I mean I just think the players need to make the plays that are called. Regardless of who is calling them. If they would stop dropping catchable passes, stop lining up wrong and just having negative plays, maybe they could actually do something on offense.

- In my prediction for this game, I stated that a loss to Washington would be on a par with the loss to Arizona that got McCarthy fired. Of course, no one is getting fired here, but that doesn't mean you couldn't build a case for it.

- "Not Stoked for Doubs - It was a really rough day for Eric Stokes and Romeo Doubs. I have a feeling they're the two main guys Rodgers was referring to when he said players that are making too many mistakes shouldn't be playing so much. Although I do wonder if that applies to himself, also?"

I am wondering who he is talking about. Clearly there are a few players that he thinks shouldn't be getting as much playing time as others. Could AJ Dillon be one? He has not been catching a lot of passes of late. He had another bad drop in this game. One that would have gained a lot of yards.
As far as Rodgers himself, he hasn't been perfect. But anyone that wants to blame Rodgers for the Washington game, needs to rewatch it. 7/8 dropped passes. A ton of penalties. A defense that dropped 4 interceptions. Their punt returner that changed the momentum of the game.

- "More than the losses to the Giants and Jets, this game truly was a comedy of errors and "almosts." The defense could have easily had 4-5 interceptions in the first half, all of which would have given the ball to the Packers in Washington territory."

The defense while played really well in the first half, struggles with making game changing plays that could put teams away. Then they can't get the stops when they need to. Its time we stop saying 'well he is a db for a reason'. No enough of that excuse. catch the damn ball. Make a play!

- "Ron Rivera with some words the Packers should pay attention to. "We ran the ball effectively," Rivera said. "When you can do that, you can chew the clock and you can possess the ball. It seems to be a pretty good formula." Um, we wouldn't know..."

I will say that Jones can bust one at any point. But they have not ran the ball well at all. Perhaps with the new OL and after a week of playing together they will start to gel. They do need to get more attempts. But they have to stop holding, and stop getting into negative situations.

- "DBak - Gotta feel for the guy. My total guess is that he's still needing to get the knee drained regularly. Hard to criticize him, but plenty of asshole Packers fans still do."

This will probably be the way it will be the rest of the year. I will say though I liked the way Tom played. He has a lot to learn, but I thought he played well.

- "Give Joe Barry some credit - he's reading CheeseheadTV and trying some of the things we keep asking for here."

As in blitzing Quay off the edge? Yup. about time he listened.

- "Sure seems that AJ Dillon is being marginalized more every game. I get that he hasn't lit the world on fire, but you would think on fourth and one they would make use of him. But no, let's throw a WR bubble screen."

Dillon has marginalized himself. He has not played well this year so far. He is looking slow. He is not breaking tackles or making anyone miss. He has been dropping passes. I like Dillon but he has not been very good. His rookie year he averaged 5.3 yards per carry. Last year he averaged 4.3. Currently he has averaged 3.9. For receptions last year he averaged 9.2 yards per catch. THis year 6.2. He simply hasn't been as dynamic. I am a big fan of Dillon. He just hasn't been that good. Perhaps some of it is from the OL. Maybe this new OL will allow the RB's to have greater success.

However I think its time to start using another RB some. Clearly they have no trust in Taylor. He has yet to have a carry or anything on offense. Either get Hill on the roster or bring up Goodson. Goodson I think would be a great option for the offense in terms of the passing game. They could use him in the Ervin type of role. Motion, and in the passing game. He could be a very good piece to add.

I think Al could have started a couple of levels higher when he was talking about "Who's in command"?

Gute has clearly been drafting for the post Rodgers era with an emphasis on defense, offensive linemen, running backs and a first round replacement QB. Murphy hires a coach to be best buddies with Rodgers and then resigns Rodgers to a cap breaking deal. Do these guys even talk? You have the organization president and the director of the draft pulling in completely opposite directions which has resulted in a mismatched roster and coaching staff.

Either Gute should have been drafting WRs for a Rodgers led offense (starting with the Jordan Love pick) or Rodgers should have been traded to Denver this off-season. Neither happened and the resulting mess should surprise no one. "Who's in command" starts at the top, not just at the HC level.

mild mannered tony dungy called out rodgers during half time sunday night: he showed the throw at daubs feet and then noted a wide open guy in blown coverage on the right. same an another poorly thrown short throw. Problem is we are stuck with AR's contract chewing up the salary cap no matter what we do. no team would be stupid enough to take him and assue the contract funny how age finally catches up to you and his abilities have gone south on a bullet train

I think we are watching the clash of the titans in real time. MLF has a way to win (I know an assumption on my part, but he has a good track record.) and AR can't/won't abide by it.
It's a Mexican Standoff and the team sufferers until its over.
I'll say one more thing...adding another wideout is fool's gold....shinny and bright but crumbles in you hand. The canidates out there are either too old, too young, too expensive , or have too much LOFT...lack of freaking talent.
Besides it wouldn't matter anyway AR would hit them in their ankles and blast them for running the wrong route.
Defensively....this team has an attitude issue. They seem to lack a killer instinct.
Alway next year.

After watching what the Packers are putting on the field, I do have a truly polluted mindset. The feeling that many of us are expressing doesn't bode well for this team\this year. If you don't believe that your coach is smart enough nor tough enough to right the ship then - goodbye ship. LaFleur does look like he is in over his head and he looks like he has little control over what his QB is doing. Big problem when your leader isn't a leader.

The other thing that not many are talking about is the return of Tom Clements. He was a surly prick on his first stint on the Packers staff and Rodgers reflected that attitude. Clement's return has our QB going back to his old ways and he is being enabled to think that his performance was acceptable on Sunday. Never liked him under McCarthy and I doubt that he is helping LaFleur much today.

Sorry but David Bakhtiari is done. I love the guy and his grit but 2 years and multiple surgeries do not bode well for our LT. The position is just too demanding and less than 100 percent recovery isn't going to be good enough. Get out while your knee is still functional.

I too wonder who AR is referring to that might need to sit out ? Maybe it is Doubs and Stokes. But wouldn’t Jenkins, Yosh, Newman, Amari, Gary, Savage and Lazard qualify too? Is our 53 man roster big enough. Oddly AR doesn’t see himself on that list. Blames everyone but himself. Maybe he has a future in politics when he is done.

First, do you think LaFleur should be on the hot seat? Not whether he is or isn't, but your personal opinion. Second, this is Rodgers' team, for better or worse. And he has apparently decided he wants a new coach. A lot of the stuff he is doing is the same things that got McCarthy fired, with his poor play, questionable decision-making, and yelling at the sidelines. McCarthy did bring Favre under control early on in his tenure in Green Bay, but this situation is totally different. As I've written repeatedly, once the Packers signed Rodgers to his new contract, it became his team, because the cap hit they'd take for him retiring at this point would be disastrous. This is on the team; after all, why should a player turn down an incredible deal that pays them a lot, and also gives them a lot of leverage?

I've been quiet for the last couple weeks watching all the blame getting thrown around so nothing to add. It's a very sad state of affairs.

I'm going back to my mantra - it's MLF. He's the one that hasn't made changes quickly enough during games (or at all), he's the one that put the new coaches that are failing in their positions, he's the one that is ultimately responsible for getting players ready, he's the one that keeps talking about getting AJ more touches and doesn't, etc. The last one IS worthy of getting him fired NOW as that is directly under his immediatel control and he simply doesn't do it. Or if AR is changing the call, then it is indeed time to sit AR.

If we had an owner, something would have changed by now. It is ridiculous to think that professional coaches have to read this site to know what to do.

There might be personal dynamics that we don't know about, but AR has digressed in accuracy as he did a few years back when they drafted Love. I suspect that management give the coaches another few games to see if they can possibly revive the season. Very doubtful that is doable without AR returning to form and have someone to throw to. Else, they will tell MLF to play Love (at least half the game) and the team goes through a major rebuild. We have to pay AR anyways so might as well see if anyone wants to pay something for him and see if Love is any good before we cut/pay him.

It's been a good run with Favre/Rodgers. My Viking/Bear fan family has little sympathy for us.

Trust the plan. ‘“ While I went for the easy pun, "who's in command" is really the main question I have about these Green By Packers - and specifically the offense. It's hard for me to understand the scheme they are running based on the personnel they have. Good coaches find the style that best suits the abilities of the players. Of course, LaFleur's hands are a bit tied, although it's his own fault for being so deferential to Aaron Rodgers right from the get-go. It's likely too late at this point to try to wrest full control of his team, so the success of this team is likely in serious jeopardy."

I mean I just think the players need to make the plays that are called. Regardless of who is calling them. If they would stop dropping catchable passes, stop lining up wrong and just having negative plays, maybe they could actually do something on offense.

- In my prediction for this game, I stated that a loss to Washington would be on a par with the loss to Arizona that got McCarthy fired. Of course, no one is getting fired here, but that doesn't mean you couldn't build a case for it.

- "Not Stoked for Doubs - It was a really rough day for Eric Stokes and Romeo Doubs. I have a feeling they're the two main guys Rodgers was referring to when he said players that are making too many mistakes shouldn't be playing so much. Although I do wonder if that applies to himself, also?"

I am wondering who he is talking about. Clearly there are a few players that he thinks shouldn't be getting as much playing time as others. Could AJ Dillon be one? He has not been catching a lot of passes of late. He had another bad drop in this game. One that would have gained a lot of yards.
As far as Rodgers himself, he hasn't been perfect. But anyone that wants to blame Rodgers for the Washington game, needs to rewatch it. 7/8 dropped passes. A ton of penalties. A defense that dropped 4 interceptions. Their punt returner that changed the momentum of the game.

- "More than the losses to the Giants and Jets, this game truly was a comedy of errors and "almosts." The defense could have easily had 4-5 interceptions in the first half, all of which would have given the ball to the Packers in Washington territory."

The defense while played really well in the first half, struggles with making game changing plays that could put teams away. Then they can't get the stops when they need to. Its time we stop saying 'well he is a db for a reason'. No enough of that excuse. catch the damn ball. Make a play!

- "Ron Rivera with some words the Packers should pay attention to. "We ran the ball effectively," Rivera said. "When you can do that, you can chew the clock and you can possess the ball. It seems to be a pretty good formula." Um, we wouldn't know..."

I will say that Jones can bust one at any point. But they have not ran the ball well at all. Perhaps with the new OL and after a week of playing together they will start to gel. They do need to get more attempts. But they have to stop holding, and stop getting into negative situations.

- "DBak - Gotta feel for the guy. My total guess is that he's still needing to get the knee drained regularly. Hard to criticize him, but plenty of asshole Packers fans still do."

This will probably be the way it will be the rest of the year. I will say though I liked the way Tom played. He has a lot to learn, but I thought he played well.

- "Give Joe Barry some credit - he's reading CheeseheadTV and trying some of the things we keep asking for here."

As in blitzing Quay off the edge? Yup. about time he listened.

- "Sure seems that AJ Dillon is being marginalized more every game. I get that he hasn't lit the world on fire, but you would think on fourth and one they would make use of him. But no, let's throw a WR bubble screen."

Dillon has marginalized himself. He has not played well this year so far. He is looking slow. He is not breaking tackles or making anyone miss. He has been dropping passes. I like Dillon but he has not been very good. His rookie year he averaged 5.3 yards per carry. Last year he averaged 4.3. Currently he has averaged 3.9. For receptions last year he averaged 9.2 yards per catch. THis year 6.2. He simply hasn't been as dynamic. I am a big fan of Dillon. He just hasn't been that good. Perhaps some of it is from the OL. Maybe this new OL will allow the RB's to have greater success.

However I think it’s time to start using another RB some. Clearly they have no trust in Taylor. He has yet to have a carry or anything on offense. Either get Hill on the roster or bring up Goodson. Goodson I think would be a great option for the offense in terms of the passing game. They could use him in the Ervin type of role. Motion, and in the passing game. He could be a very good piece to add.‘ I agree. Excellent post.

Ok, conspiracy time:

7/8 dropped passes and 4 dropped INTs? All in one game? What are the odds? Almost like they're not really trying. Maybe...just maybe...a message is being sent to a certain QB who they are sick of trashing them on TV shows and press conferences?

Makes about as much sense as anything else going on out there.

I dont generally call for people to be fired, but MLF might want to consider giving Clements the pink slip. Never liked the hire in the first place and Rodgers seems to regressing in almost every category and I'm not talking about numbers either. His mechanics, which already havent been great for a long time, have gotten worse, his decision making is worse, his accuracy is worse (which could be a direct result of the previous 2 points), and just his overall presence as a player has declined. If the brain trust is too chicken s*** to hold Rodgers accountable for his failures and degenerate behavior, then maybe they can get the point accross by firing his buddy/steward/emotional support animal cuz the guy doesnt seem to be bringing much to this team. And its clear theyre never going to play Love before he hits free agency so Love is no excuse to keep him either.

Aaron Rodgers SUCKS....SUCks...SUcks...Sucks...sucks....Echo Chamber much?? :))

I know one thing for sure: it's easy to pile on when things are going bad. I was one of the 'pilers on' during the 70's and 80's. I'm not going to do that now. An upset win over the Bills would change the mindset here and elsewhere.
I fully agree with Al that the most disturbing thing for me is the 'vibe' of this team. I'm not sure Matt LF has lost the team, but it appears to me Aaron Rodgers runs the show and the results have not been good. Rodgers has his core of friends, all of them handsomely paid, and outside of that realm are a bunch of guys going 'what's up?' I will never change the idea that Rodgers tanked to get Mike McCarthy fired and Matt LF knows it. MLF also knows there is literally nothing he can do about Rodgers. The contract AR signed is good PR, but as the weeks unfold it is clearer to me that his contract is an extreme albatross that will take years to remedy. Rodgers should have been moved to Denver last year.

This brings me to Ted Thompson. Yours truly blistered Ted aplenty during the years. He made some truly dumb draft selections and other personnel moves. He also made some great ones. He had the courage to do the right thing long term for the organization. One was drafting Aaron Rodgers when he had Brett Favre, and the second was to jettison Favre when Rodgers was ready to go. The current management 'arrangement' has left the Packers with an enormous contract load and little flexibility to make the team better. It also has left them with an aging QB who seems to think he's untouchable, a real problem. It has left the head coach put to the side trying to make silk purse out of a sow's ear.

I hope this isn't the beginning of 20 years of frustration.

Most here would argue that we're particularly devoid of talent on the offensive side of the ball, so I pose this question to everyone...

If mgmt / coaching couldn't finish the job WITH talent during thrice 13-3 seasons,,,what makes you think they will WITHOUT it?

LaFleur is clearly not in command. I see a lot think Gute is, but he almost certainly did not lead the charge to bring back Rodgers, that was Murphy. Nor was the contract negotiated his call. Ball does not answer to him but Murphy. Nor does Gute manage LaFleur and he certainly did not hire him.

Murphy deliberately set up a divide and rule system and hired a Head Coach who is clearly no leader who seems to hire non leaders beneath him. The result is the chaotic and contradictory mess we now see exposed by the departure of Talent driven by the retention of Rodgers removing the cover that talent had given to some extent to mask the reasons for repeated failures with much more balanced rosters.

The answer is no one and Murphy. The leader oversees a chaotic mess. LaFleur is him at a lower level. Recruitment in one’s own image.

"It was a really rough day for Eric Stokes and Romeo Doubs. I have a feeling they're the two main guys Rodgers was referring to when he said players that are making too many mistakes shouldn't be playing so much."

80% of our targets go to six guys: Doubs, Lazard, Tonyan, Jones, Watkins, Cobb. So I think there's a real good chance it's one of those. Probably not the veterans. Maybe it's the rookie who has had several drive-stopping drops. Doubs leads the team in targets, because he's the guy who hasn't missed time with injury, like Watkins and Lazard and Watson and Cobb have. I'd agree that maybe he's playing too much, but we have to line up the guys healthy enough to play.

It seems to be mainly up to Rodgers nowadays as to whether or not the Packers turn things around.
I'm still rooting for him to step up by standing down to the proper authority of his head coach and GM. He has enough responsibility on his hands as quarterback.
A change of attitude on the part of Rodgers to being more team-oriented and encouraging would lift up all the players and coaches and fans.
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If Rodgers persists in arrogance, though, the only remedy may be to bench him game after game after game . . .
It would require the Packers GM and head coach to give a good reason, that Rodgers just isn't cooperative, that his ego is hurting the team.
The combination of sitting on the sidelines and getting a public reprimand may cause Rodgers to be humbled enough to change; or if not, to retire with some sort of settlement that lessens the crippling effect on the salary cap going forward.
Maybe it's better to warn Rodgers beforehand about the coming of this course of punishment, so that he has the possibility of changing beforehand and avoiding it.
The Packers management could be positive about working with Rodgers if he works with them, even as they are firm about putting him in his rightful place as a player, like any other player, who must yield to proper authority.
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A whole season of Rodgers ruining the season by intrusiveness into coaching and personnel seems unbearable.
A switch to Love would at least be hope for the future, and some excitement in a young team striving with togetherness to succeed.

"Confessions of a Polluted Mindset" [Title]

I thought the article was about #12 confessing his thoughts.

Go Pack Go!

spoiled crybaby Packer fans, get over it, the teams in rebuild..people want Love to play, that would be cruel and unusual punishment to stick him out there with this group of WR's...the only thing I wonder is what QB do the Packers have their eye on next years draft...or will they take another D lineman instead of a QB or WR...that seems to be the way they work..

well here's something I found that I agree with...
“ “The truth hurts and might not sound like good PR, but give Rodgers credit for seeing the facts and admitting them in an incredibly calm way. He has every right to be pissed as hell, but somehow the haters think he's not allowed real emotions amid a highly frustrating situation. Let's face the truth: Rodgers has more receivers drop passes than is close to acceptable. Guys run wrong routes constantly. And he's working with no name rookies and washed up receivers no one else really wanted (complete truth). The big truth about Green Bay is that the last ten plus years would have been pathetic without Rodgers. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, Cheeseheads. Rodgers has carried Green Bay on his back and now you're saying thanks by trashing him out when he tells the truth about sub-par,, unacceptable receivers? Watch the tape. The man has no consistent protection, a lousy run game (look at yardage), and worst of all, receivers so sub-par that any other quarterback would likely have 10+ interceptions by now (including Brady). “” but, once again the Rodgers haters won't see it that way...dont like it when he doesn't say anything, don't like it when he does..it will never change...