I don't know what Butkus did to you, but this guy has consistently put an offensive line on the field that protects the QB and opens holes in the running game. Nothing good happens on offense unless people get blocked, but you apparently don't believe that's true, and that somehow the Packers offense rolls despite the inadequacies of Butkus and the Oline. And, of course, the general incompetence of LaFleur.

Sheeeesh.

Slowik is an interesting look for a coaching position. He has coached both D and O so yes he would have some interesting perspectives and he would be able to analyze defenses with a different view. It would be nice to see MLF hire an OC that can call plays and game plan allowing MLF more time to manage the whole team.

Im not sure where all the Slowik hype is coming from. Texans fired him after just 2 years cuz he was incapable of teaching his guys how to handle a blitz. Packers dont have an offensive coaching problem. They have an oline problem as in the players werent good enough. When the oline is great, the coaches looks like geniuses. When the oline is poor, the coaches look like idiots.

I'd like to upgrade any coaching position that can be upgraded. More importantly, we need to find a better than average center and left tackle, 2 CB's, a defensive tackle, and a placekicker, with no #1 pick and not much salary cap money. I wonder if the Packers have ever considered getting a guy who can catch and return punts and kickoffs for positive yardage like every other team seems able to do?

You talk about "qualified coaches" and then immediately follow that by glazing Bobby Slowik? The same guy who lasted less than 2 years as Texans OC cuz he has no idea how to beat a blitz? Thats the guy you want? Cmon man. People are just looking for scapegoats at this point instead of accepting the reality that the Packers just lost too many key guys to injury last year. This isnt some bullshit rebuilding team. This is a super bowl contender that just needs a little bit of good luck in the injury department.

As ye sew so shall ye reek!

This is amusing.
If changing the OC makes no difference, what does that mean the previous OC was contributing to coaching - obviously in your view it is nothing - which in itself means he should be changed.......

MLF needs help at times with someone he trusts. He is a good OC much of the time but at times he's overwhelmed. And if he could lean on a great OC, he could do a better job as HC, with critical time outs and challenges.

"I wonder when the team is going to announce any firings on the coaching staff."

Yeah, could be a wonder on the offensive side. Or not. In a status quo culture you don't get lots of change if you don't have to. And I don't expect any changes on offense.

On defense, a forced wholesale change for LaFleur to manage is hopefully in full swing.

Big decisions for the status quo coach on defense and STs. Should be exciting.

Are you saying Stenavich isn’t responsible for the OL or Butkus, whom he championed, isn’t? What then is he responsible for? Sure, he could be a talent held back by LaFleur, but it’s far more plausible that he and some of his subordinates are part of the reason for our O never being consistently as good as the sum of its parts.

Been hoping that someone would hire Stenavich away if only to churn the coagulating butter in the offensive coaching ranks. Supposedly Saleh is interesting in interviewing Stenavich in TN. Hafley hasn't done much yet in assembling a staff (I think there will be more movement after this weekend's playoff games).

The problem is that the only really plausible arguments for LaFleur as a HC relate to his leadership of the offense. He has shown little acumen in culture building, personnel etc. So taking away the OC aspect seems to me to be great in a general sense but nonsensical in his specific case.

In a sand box, I believe that the truth is that you need to take away the HC elements from LaFleur and have him be the OC. That’s not going to happen here. It may happen elsewhere eventually.

So the argument that we should get a true OC does recognize a real issue but does not resolve that unless through in effect sidelining LaFleur.

That doesn’t mean we can’t find a better deputy OC to manage, implement and help with adjustments, but if we wanted to distance LaFleur from the play calling we should be searching for a HC.

In the end, the ubiquity and persistence of this argument is a clear sign that few really believe Policy was right, even if they don’t want to admit it to themselves.

"Coaches who can outline plays on a blackboard are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their players and motivate." Vince Lombardi.

Looks like someone needs a nap.

"Taping crew. That goes to all the games …"

Regular broadcasts?
NFL All 22?
Holy cow, there's so much footage and breakdown on every...single...player, in every...single...game, why would anyone send crews to film games anymore?

This is almost as dumb as the idea that they put tracking devices in vaccines.

Hopefully not in the Ali Khamenei sense either!

Execution comes from coaching and expectations when at the team level. Bill Walsh always said that how one handles pressure is directly down to coaching and preparation: "the more thorough, the more extensive, the more rehearsed, the better you perform under the pressure of any situation that calls for an immediate decision."

On a team level, execution and decision making under pressure is coaching not individual character primarily. It’s discipline, understanding and expectations. It’s a product of culture and coaching. A few thoughts of the great Vince (since I feel quote minded today—time for a few revered voices in the wake of recent debates):

“It is essential to understand that battles are primarily won in the hearts of men. Men respond to leadership in a most remarkable way and once you have won his heart, he will follow you anywhere.”

“Mental toughness is many things and rather difficult to explain. Its qualities are sacrifice and self-denial. Also, most importantly, it is combined with a perfectly disciplined will that refuses to give in. It’s a state of mind – you could call it character in action.”

“There is only one kind of discipline, and that is the perfect discipline. As a leader, you must enforce and maintain that discipline; otherwise, you will fail at your job.”

“They call it coaching but it is teaching. You do not just tell them…you show them the reasons.”

I was told as a youth, and I've found it to be true, that most plays will work if they are executed correctly. The Power Sweep wasn't a creative call. John Riggins running the counter wasn't creative. They are plays that work if you get people blocked. If they don't get blocked, the play doesn't work, and then people start blabbering about creative play calling.

I think that at the goal line, there's room for some creativity. They only have a few yards to defend, and if they put some fatboys in the gaps it's hard to muscle it in.

"Elsewhere....Does MLF plan on running it back with Bisaccia?
It seems, if he was going to let him go, he would have already."

I figured this would be an easy call once LaF got his extension.
**sigh**

"Basically, for not committing to improve ST's, mostly in personnel."

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/2025-snap-counts.htm

I pull up the snap counts just to see which starters play STs on a regular basis. It doesn't tell you WHICH units they're playing on, but plenty are getting STs snaps. How many should they be taking and how much is too much exposure to injury for key guys? I'd argue as much as anything else that it's failure at crunch time--giving up long returns on punts or KOs, missed kicks, etc.--that's getting us.

Everyone has penalties on their coverage/return units, but on the whole most teams are about the same (between 16 and 23 STs penalties on the season). The total numbers of accepted penalties on STs actually kinda surprised me (on the low side).

https://www.nflpenalties.com/phase.php?year=2025&view=total

I saw Kuhn’s comments about personnel too. However, how many ST guys were brought to GB because Bisaccia wanted them? There have been quite a few, most notably Anders Carlson. While there is a problem with personnel, Bisaccia is the head of the snake that needs to be severed.

To your point on the HC calling plays.

Some of it has to do with the HC thinking that he is the best person to call plays. Most HCs were a OC or DC where they called plays. The only HC that I know of right now that was mainly a STC id John Harbough. I like the idea because he can manage all aspects of the team and help out the STC in an area that tends to be a weakness for a lot of teams.

DCs and OCs that become HCs usually are guys that love being a coordinator. They love designing plays, game planning, and the challenge of calling plays. So when they get a HC opportunity and a big pay raise they have a hard time giving up what they love. The problem is that they need to give it up to be an effective HC. The game is so complicated and there is so much going on that it is hard for them to keep up with everything.

Gone are the days of Tom Landry. I read that he would stand away from the team by himself and really understand what was going on so he could make the proper adjustments and decisions when needed. He trusted his coaches to run the game. In that article it stated that no one went near him or bothered him. He was the team manager.

I mentioned a couple weeks ago I read an article that owners, presidents, and GMs like hiring a HC that calls plays because there is less chance of losing them to another team. If a OC or DC is also the play caller another team can interview and hire for a HC position just like what happened to us with Hafley and the Lions last year.

Preach.

What credentials? 2 years as an OC before being fired cuz he was completely incapable of teaching his guys how to handle a blitz? His resume isnt that impressive.

They should reverse the rule change over the balls used. Kicking is too prevalent and too successful from too far away. Make teams try harder for 7.

Love is falling into bad habits? He just played one of the best games of his career in a road playoff rivalry game and did enough to score 41 points. Is he supposed to catch and kick too?

Id tell you that's silly. The team loses its best weapon (Kraft), its best olinemen (Tom), and its 2nd best olinemen (Jenkins), but people want to pretend this didnt affect the coaching? There's no magic formula to make backups play like pro bowlers.