Packers Week Eight Snap Counts Versus The Vikings

Let us look at the snap counts to see if they tell any tales about what the coaches are thinking.  I think it fitting to continue to tweak the format by beginning with the Inactive and Did Not Play lists.

Inactive Players King, Ramsey, Bakhtiari, Jones, Love, Greene and Winn.
Active/DNP Boyle

Greene being injured arguably hurt the defense.  Winn being inactive mystifies me.  The Packers knew they were going to play a Kirk Cousins-led team that would have to play in a crossfire hurricane (I suppose this exposes my age).  One might expect the team to place any player who might be able to stuff the run on the active list.  Winn had two tackles last week in just six snaps.  I checked and Winn was not listed with any kind of injury on the injury reports.  I hope to see Winn and Clark lined up frequently on first down plays next Thursday against San Francisco, with Keke and Montravius Adams rotating in when Pettine decides to use three linemen.  Certainly, Pettine probably should remove Winn on different down and distance situations.

 

Name Snaps % ST
Jenkins 75 100 2 - 11%
Patrick 75 100 2 - 11%
Wagner 75 100 2 - 11%
Turner 75 100  
Linsley 75 100  
Runyan     2 - 11%
Nijman     2 - 11%
       
       
Rodgers 75 100  
Boyle      
Lovett     11- 58%
       
Adams 71 95  
MVS 62 83  
St. Brown 22 29 8 - 42%
Shepherd 19 25 7 - 37%
Taylor 13 17 13 - 68%
       
Tonyan 46 61  
Sternberger 28 37 7 - 37%
Lewis 20 27  
       
J. Williams 64 85 1 - 5%
Ervin 20 27 1 - 5%
Dillon 10 13 7 - 37%
20 played Off.      

The five starting offensive linemen played every snap.  Bakhtiari was inactive for this game due to injury.  Overall, the protection was good, with the line allowing just one sack and two QB hits.  Rodgers was moved off of his spot at times, but most of those happened after 2.5 seconds had elapsed. 

Equanimeous St. Brown received fewer snaps than last week.  Malik Taylor received more snaps, including a lot more on special teams.  Ervin played more snaps than usual.  Ervin did not receive any carries or targets in the first half.  After setting up the jet sweep for the entire first half, Ervin was targeted three times, gaining seven yards, in the second half.  He dropped one handoff/target but that one looked well-defensed anyway.  I do not remember the Packers successfully threatening the edges or stressing the Minnesota defense horizontally in this game.  Jamaal Williams ran hard and gained 75 yards, good for a 4.7 yard average.  He also caught 6 passes (on 6 targets) but just for a 4.5 yard average per reception and per target.  4.5 yard averages do not stress defenses.  Matt LaFleur chose not to play Lovett on any offensive plays.  Last week he played 9 snaps (15%) and threw at least a few nice blocks.

 

Name Snaps % STs
Amos 52 100 1 - 5%
Savage 52 100  
Alexander 49 94  
Jackson 45 87 7 - 37%
Sullivan 13 25 8 - 32%
Black 5 10 11 - 58%
V. Scott 4 8 8- 42%
Redmond 4 8 4 - 21%
Hollman     11 - 58%
       
Barnes 49 94 4 - 21%
Z. Smith 47 90  
Martin 42 81 3 - 16%
P. Smith 41 79  
Gary 28 54 1 - 5%
Burks 9 17 17 - 89%
Summers     17 - 89%
Burgess     11 - 58%
Garvin     5 - 26%
       
Clark 46 88  
Lowry 37 71 6 - 32%
Lancaster 27 52 7 - 37%
Keke 16 31 5 - 26%
M. Adams 6 12 5 - 32%
24 played Def.      

There were big changes in the defensive snap counts.  Barnes and Martin started at ILB and played 87.5% of possible snaps.  Preston Smith played his normal percentage but Zadarius Smith was out there on 90% of the snaps.  Gary's snaps were reduced by eleven percentage points.  Burks got a few more snaps than usual and Summers along with Garvin were relegated to special teams only.  Pettine played 2.4 OLBs on average per play.  That suggests Zadarius Smith and/or Gary moved inside on twenty-one snaps.  Pro Football Focus indicated that Martin received one of their highest grades on the Packers' defense.

Lowry increased his percentage of snaps from 43% last week to 71% this week and played more than anyone not named Clark on the defensive line.  Keke played somewhat fewer snaps than is normal for him, and Montravius Adams played a lot less than last week.  Adams played 34% of snaps last week but played just 12% of snaps against the Vikings.  Pettine played 2.54 true defensive linemen on average per play.  It would appear with Gary and Zadarius Smith moving inside frequently, Pettine played a lot of three-man fronts - indeed, it was the norm.

Adrian Amos made some plays, but he and Savage also combined to miss five tackles, per PFF.  Scott overran one play and watched helplessly as Dalvin Cook cut it back for a big gain on on his way to the end zone.  Sullivan played just 25 percent of possible snaps.  Overall, the Vikings' wide receivers, while reasonably efficient (7 receptions on 9 targets) gained just 68 yards with no touchdowns.  I am sure that King was missed, but the wide receivers did not beat the Packers in this game.  It was the same story for the Vikings' tight ends who caught 2 passes (on 2 targets) for 28 yards.  Redmond played just four snaps (8%).  I suspect that Redmond is playing better than Savage at the moment, but many feel that Savage has incredible upside.

Name Snaps % ST
Scott     7 - 37%
Bradley     3 - 16%
Crosby     2 - 11%

It is not a good sign when the kicker has the fewest number of special teams snaps.  Clark was off of special teams.  Malik Taylor played many more than normal for him.  Burgess made an immediate contribution on special teams.

 

 

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murf7777's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:18 am

Thanks TGR,....Just when you think Adams might be turning the corner with his best game of his career, which isn’t saying much, he gets less snaps. He seemed good against the run last week as well. Pettine?

What happened to Savage, he needs to wake up and play ball.

This might be the most adversity Mlf has dealt with in his short head coaching career. Two out of three losses and going up against a team who dominated you two games last year. Very interested to see how his team responds.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:53 am

Let's wait to see if folks who were paying more attention to the game than I was chime in and mention players limping off the field.

M Adams and Redmond in Greene's absence are a little surprising. Even Gary is a little surprising, though his decrease was not all that much. Looks like they went with Martin/Barnes and a sprinkling of Burks rather than inserting Redmond for Greene.

I have to say Pettine changed things up. He used a lot of beef on the DL. Still surprised at Winn, after getting signed to the 53, being inactive.

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Guam's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:23 am

Did he use a lot of beef or more that the third defensive linemen was an OLB which puts a lighter guy on the line?

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Coldworld's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:31 am

The beef had a light workload if you mean Lancaster and M Adams. Keke played less. Big beneficiary was Lowry who played almost 3/4 of the snaps. So Clark, Lowry, and then a mix of OLB/and the above mentioned.

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murf7777's picture

November 02, 2020 at 11:20 am

At least during the first half that I rewatched he didn’t use Z or Gary on the inside but one obvious passing down. He had 3 DL up front. P Smith was washed out by TE’s and DLine didn’t get enough push, along with our young LB’s pursuing the wrong holes were the problems as I saw it. I’d use P. Smith as trade ammo to get better front 7 help.

Of course, give credit to Cook who is an awesome cut back runner if original hole is plugged up.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:12 pm

Redmond will never be the dime/lb again.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:21 am

I used a photo of Jaire Alexander. I didn't think there were too many candidates. Jaire played well. He did give up four completions but they went for just 26 yards.

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Coldworld's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:39 am

I might have used Martin but yes, very few options. A photo of Pettine’s back?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:42 am

Yes, maybe Martin, but I mentioned him specifically in the article itself when I noted his PFF grade. I don't subscribe to PFF so that's from their refocused articles. Anyway, that was my thinking, such as it was.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:32 am

Lowry sucks. Good 5-6th cheap DL. But as #2? Oof.

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Coldworld's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:39 am

He isn’t that cheap.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:40 am

He's not cheap at all.

They can save 3.3 Million with 3 mil dead by cutting him in the off season. I'd rather see that money go to a good player.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:05 am

But that's what I'm saying. He's great if you're paying him almost nothing and using him as depth. But they're counting on solid snaps from him and paying him well (per the cap %) and he's not producing. That's the problem.

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PeteK's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:39 am

On a few plays he was driven back which prevented the Lbs from closing in on the gaps.

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Leatherhead's picture

November 02, 2020 at 11:21 am

Well, since this looks like ground zero for the Lowry critics, I'll put this here.

There's a reason that Lowry was on the field so much: He's better than anybody else we could have put there. That's right. Better than Keke or Winn or Lancaster or Adams. Clark and Lowry, Lowry and Clark . Those are our main horses. Those are the DL on on the field.

Clark got paid big money. Keke and Adams are on rookie deals. Lancaster is an ERFA and plays for the minimum..

Lowry was extended by the Packer brass because he doesn't miss games with injury. He's avail-able. He's the biggest guy in the defensive huddle. His base salary this season is $1 million dollars. He gets $1.5 million as part of his signing bonus. He got $2.4 million as a roster bonus. Add in the rest and he's making a little over $5 million this year.

Go ahead and look around the league and tell me how many young, durable 300+lb pound vets are playing for less and I'll start considering the "overpaid" argument. He's a bargain.

We can blow a hole in our roster in the offseason and cut him. It would create $3 million in dead money, which would actually give us LESS money to work with in Free Agency, but it would save us his salary and roster bonus in 2021, and that would be about $6 million in savings, $3 million net, minus whatever it costs to replace him.

For this season, he's on the field because he's what we have, and we should be thankful. We'd be worse without him.

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Minniman's picture

November 02, 2020 at 01:54 pm

Apologies everyone, I’m going to self-indulge in a ‘what could have been’ scenario.

I really wanted the Packers to take a flyer on Maurice Hurst in the 2018 draft. He had a highly publicised heart issue, since proven unfounded, that caused him to drop to the 5th round ( projected a lot higher)

He’s a Mike Daniels type player doing great things for LV. He and Clark would be a great tandem up front.

Neither Lowry or Adam’s were doing it for me at that time and this seemed like a reasonable risk for a projected first round talent - instead they selected J’mon Moore.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:18 pm

Where was Winn ? Le Fleur is going to also take charge of that defensive room. Some heads need to be readjusted.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:14 pm

He has his value in pass rush, but is worthless as a five tech in whatever version of 3-4 pettine manufactures.

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Coldworld's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:37 am

I believe Redmond went off injured early.

The D line/OLB snaps male very very little sense to me. Winn didn’t play, Adams played less as did Keke. Gary, who is good against the run played less and Lowry played way more. Lowry has been poor against the run all season.

Raven Greene is a key player at a key position, but you can’t build a D around a player/role if you don’t have a viable back up. Greene is oft injured and we do not have a stand in anywhere close.

I’m starting to think that this was a failed game plan in part from Pettine. Just don’t understand what he is doing up front. Now That’s not necessarily unusual, but the problem is I do not think Pettine understands either.

I think we reach the point with coaches sometimes where what they are trying to do has clearly failed and they run out of ideas. It looks to me if Pettine has reached that point.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:38 am

Yep. It seems MLF believed Pettine post NFC CG blow up that he could fix things with what he had.

Rookie mistake. Needs to be rectified.

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Coldworld's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:43 am

I’m normally against in season moves. In this scenario, an interim change may improve things. Are we at a point where we believe Pettine can?

The thing that baffles me is how he uses what he has.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:54 am

I suggested he used a lot of beef on the line. 2.54 true DL is a very high number for Pettine. Add in the .4 from OLBs and Pettine essentially had 3 men on the DL all game.

Now only Clark and Lancaster (both listed at 313 pounds but who knows their current weight) really are beefy players but none of them are 330 pound types. M. Adams is listed anyway at 304 and Lowry around 296, with Keke at just 288.

Having true ILBs play 87.5% of snaps is another really high number for Pettine.

It looks to me like Pettine largely abandoned his dime defense and he still couldn't stop the run. IDK if he used the wrong players or wrong combinations of players or if his scheme and fits just don't work. I do think Pettine did try to change and it wasn't the same old same old.

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Branden Burke's picture

November 02, 2020 at 02:46 pm

The vikings offense did a tremendous job at manipulating green bays defense in the run game. For example, the first long TD by cooks at the snap green bay had savage in the box on the offenses left, they manipulated amos to the offenses left. The full back and hb are both running to the offenses left. The right tackle leaves the end unblocked and moves upfield for a double team before peeling off to seal the weak side ILB as a TE pulls to the right to kick the DE out. The full back draws both ILB's up toward the offensive left and held savage in place. And we have a huge hole as a result. They couldn't have drawn it up any better. Terrible job by Pettine. It's too easy.

The long run setting up the third TD was very similar. FB is used to pull the ILB's to the offenses left. Run is going off the RG's shoulder. Dean has no gap integrity and runs up the field taking himself out the play leaving a huge hole. The D lineman, I think it was keke, is juked out of his shoes and the massive hole created by dean gives cook nearly a 40 yard gain. Amos got sucked up following the LB's who are keying on the FB and cooks was outrunning him by the time he saw it.

The screen was a tremendously executed play and bad tackling.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:26 pm

Key Word: Fullback.

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egbertsouse's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:47 am

Gary is not good against the run, he did squat in 28 snaps. He did squat last week, also. Last week I saw him dog it on pursuit a couple times and, even more telling, try to take himself out of the game but was waved back in by the coaches. He hasn’t been impressive yet, except in training camp.

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x24's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:11 am

I'd like to see an even handed assessment of Gary at this point in the season. I'm "glass half empty" on the guy, so I tend to highlight his faults. Anybody willing to work up an unbiased midterm report card on him?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:35 am

Gary looks good vs. the run to me, but PFF doesn't agree. He is 109th out of 121 OLBs as to run defense grade per a tweet by Zack Kruse.

https://twitter.com/zachkruse2/status/1323266425591681025?ref_src=twsrc%...

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Branden Burke's picture

November 02, 2020 at 03:02 pm

The last next gen stats I saw on Gary from ESPN had him 2nd on run stop win rate in the NFL for edge defenders. Either two totally different grading systems or he fell off a cliff. I don't think he just fell of a cliff. He did tweak his ankle and has been quiet since then. I'm more down on savage at this point. At least there has been flashes from Gary. Savage has been just a guy. One that is bad at tackling.

And don't get me started on MVS.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:53 pm

Fair enough. If PFF and ESPN don't agree on Gary's run defense prowess, I will go with my own eye test, which is positive. I didn't like the Gary pick but it looks to me like he is reasonably stout given his size.

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Coldworld's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:27 am

Your views on Gary are as oft stated as they are emotional.

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PeteK's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:42 am

and now they're true.

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PeteK's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:41 am

Gary played 54% ! He was invisible!

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Hematite's picture

November 02, 2020 at 02:15 pm

I was surprised to see that Gary had 28 snaps.
I only noticed him once.
He has bust written all over him.

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Branden Burke's picture

November 02, 2020 at 02:57 pm

I would almost rather have an invisible Gary than some of our more visible players who just failed time after time. He was far from the only invisible guy. How many plays do you remember preston smith making? See any good plays from savage? Amos made a good play at the end. Otherwise I don't remember much of anything from him. How many plays did kenny clark make? He was pushed around too.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:31 pm

He's playing on a bad wheel. The buck stops with the Smith Bro.s. THey have to hold and destroy the Edge. P Smith looks out of shape. Za Darious is not being used aggressively enough. Pettine has this D over-thinking the scenarios, instead of seek and destroy.

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Guam's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:09 am

Like you CW, I just don't understand some of Pettine's thinking. Dalvin Cook is an elite RB and Kirk Cousins is an average QB. So Pettine plays a light defensive line (lots of three down with an OLB as one of the linemen) and doesn't play Lancaster or M. Adams much or even activates Winn. Which invites the Vikings to beat us with their elite RB. And then Pettine makes no half time adjustments! I would much rather have loaded the box and put the ball in Cousins hands given the quality of our secondary.

The Packers have a former DC on their coaching roster - Jerry Gray. How much worse can it get by firing Pettine and giving Gray a chance?

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Coldworld's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:24 am

Yes! While I’m no savant, his personnel usage seems almost the opposite of what one would suppose going into a game with a run first team in run first weather.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:01 am

Obviously I strayed a little from my assignment from Jersey Al (write about cap and maybe stats and numbers) when I wrote about Winn being inactive. Winn is listed at 300 pounds but he looks closer to 315 to me. Even he isn't a true 2 gapping fat guy.

I am not a film guy. Gary's pff grade is 51.2 but he generally looks pretty good against the run to me. Since there were only 52 plays, giving Zadarius 90% and Clark (big %) isn't so bad.

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PeteK's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:47 am

Come on guys , we had to stop that great wind aided passing attack so Pettine put in pass rushers. Can't make this crap up!

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ShooterMcGee's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:41 am

Steelers just traded a 2022 5th rounder for a starting ILB and their defense is already great. Our defense can't tackle but don't look for any help via a trade. The story of this season was foretold 6 months ago when the draft was used for future needs. Any casual fan could have pin pointed our weaknesses, however, the paid professionals ignored these. Consequently, we have a team that can win more than they lose but will not be able to win it all.

I have reached a point where I prefer that we trade Rodgers next year to a team with a good defense. I want to see him win another Superbowl, and it's not happening in Green Bay.

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Lphill's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:14 am

The Steelers backup linebackers are better than our starters .

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PeteK's picture

November 02, 2020 at 12:37 pm

I thought our ILBs played a solid game( on one goal line play Barnes destroyed their lead fullback) considering their youth and inexperience. It's Our D line that needs to play better especially our star , Clark.

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Razer's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:01 am

The Steelers value trench and linebacker play. We have ten years of bargain shopping for these positions.

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Guam's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:20 am

The Steeler trade is especially irritating since Gute has the ammunition to make that same trade. The Packers lost Bulaga, Martinez and Fackrell in free agency (and signed no offsetting free agents since Kirksey was a street free agent signing) which means they should receive some compensatory picks this spring. Maybe two fourths or even a third and fifth? Gute could trade the Packer 3rd, 4th or 5th round picks for a veteran DL and a WR without seriously damaging next year's draft.

Is he all in on this year? We will soon see. If he isn't, then it is time to trade Rodgers this offseason as that will slightly help the cap situation in 2021 and give the Packers great flexibility in 2022 and 2023. It would give the Packers the cap room to resign all of our young free agents as well as draft picks to rebuild quickly around Love (if not, why did he draft Love?).

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Coldworld's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:34 am

He is not all in this year. I think the Draft told us that. Yesterday makes me think he might be right.

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Bearmeat's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:06 am

absolutely idiotic with his 2018 UFA moves... UGH

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Guam's picture

November 02, 2020 at 11:10 am

That draft was certainly a huge indicator, but I guess I keep hoping that Gute will not waste the rest of AR's career in GB. If he makes no move in the next two days, the answer will be crystal clear even to me (I'm slow....:)). If that is the case, then trade AR while he still has value both to the Packers (draft choices) and to another team that actually wants to compete for a Super Bowl.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:40 pm

Keep Rodgers and shit-can the front office, then you may have a chance for some Silver.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:21 am

OTC expects GB to get 1 fourth, 1 fifth and 1 sixth. 10 picks 2 picks in the 4th, 5th and 6th.

So yes, Gute could spare a day three draft pick. Avery Williamson has a terrible PFF grade (43) but he is coming off an injury that saw him miss the entire 2019 season and in previous years he's been pretty good. Not sure he's an upgrade but I'd like Gute to find a fat two gapping DL even if he has no idea what a QB looks or feels like.

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Guam's picture

November 02, 2020 at 11:06 am

Thanks TGR. I have no feel for the comp picks process and appreciate the additional information from OTC and you.

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Razer's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:22 am

...we have a team that can win more than they lose but will not be able to win it all...

An honest assessment. The offense is also a big contributor to this reality. Outside of Davante Adams there aren't many pass catchers of value on this team. Not sure that I would want to see us trade Rodgers. We are stuck with a big cap hit for the next few years. Given that he is getting paid handsomely, he might want to step his game up and, at least, get the offense to the LOS in a timely manner. I would also appreciate a million dollar smile instead of his pout. Looking for a leader.

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PeteK's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:04 am

We're blaming Rogers., Against Hendricks (who was destroying our offense like his name sake his guitar) , a bunch of avg D linemen and we can only muster 109 yds on the ground!

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Razer's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:14 am

Did you like how our offense played yesterday against a patched up Vikings defense?! We shouldn't have expected something better from Rodgers? As shitty as our defense played our offense wasn't too far behind. We should have put up 35 yesterday. It is the only way this team will win.

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PeteK's picture

November 02, 2020 at 12:48 pm

Considering the wind and pressure later in the game, Rogers played a very good game (290 yds). O line should have blown the pedestrian Vikes D line off the ball.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:04 am

Yeah, Avery Williams is good against the run, but he isn't so hot in coverage. With Bush out for the year, the Steelers (7-0) needed an ILB. Steelers are in win-now mode with Big Ben getting old.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:20 pm

The free agency period bellowed it loud and clear. In a year loaded with free agent DT /DE s and most at fair market value, Gutedkunst did nothing. This was after an off-season review of the ass kickings from the 49rs and Philly.

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Since'61's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:00 am

This article tells me that the Vikings ran 20 less plays on offense and our defense allowed them 28 points. Usually limiting an opponent to less than 60 offensive snaps means the defense had played well. In this case it means that we gave up easy TDs.

Our defense is just not physical enough to stop teams with good running games. Cousins attempted only 14 passes. That is a QB line from the 60s.

I’m not sure why Gary is not getting more snaps on defense.
IMO he should be playing more than P.Smith based on the way P.Smith has been playing this season.

Love is not dressing, OK and Gary is playing less than 50% of the defensive snaps. So we are getting almost nothing from our last 2 #1 picks. Plus Deguara is lost for the season.
At least Savage is playing from last season’s draft.
It’s almost like we have no drafts at all at this point.

On offense Dillon should play more as well. We should be using him to wear down defenders.

In any case we can expect to see more of the is SF on TNF.
Let’s see if our coaches come up with a better defensive plan plan by then.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:44 am

It's just unbelievable how this team struggles to extract value from high draft picks.

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Razer's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:03 am

You make me cry to start the week :o(

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Since'61's picture

November 02, 2020 at 09:20 am

Agree. Some of that is on the coaching. Some of it is on the players adjusting to the speed of play at the NFL level.
IMO Savage should be playing better by now. Gary does not get enough snaps to have a chance to improve plus they keep moving him around. He needs to play and learn one position and then we can judge what he can and cannot actually do.

There seems to be a disconnect somewhere between Pettine, the position coaches and the players. MLF needs to figure it out and address it. It wouldn’t hurt for Gute to bring in some experienced reinforcements at this point. Thanks, Since ‘61

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PeteK's picture

November 02, 2020 at 01:05 pm

Yes , they both should be playing better. When your first round players don't perform, it spells doom. Gary has had plenty of playing time , for example he played 54% yesterday with 0 contribution. Add to that his career long tendency of always being injured.

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nostradanus's picture

November 02, 2020 at 01:22 pm

MVS 62 snaps - 1 catch? Dude just disappears and collects a paycheck. He doesn’t play special teams?
Show him the door, dude can’t play.

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MITM's picture

November 02, 2020 at 02:53 pm

Wheres "fastmoving" the MVS and EQ fangirl? He doesnt show up when his boys prove yet once again that they SUCK and arent starting caliber WRs.

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flackcatcher's picture

November 02, 2020 at 07:13 pm

Was Pettine out schemed yesterday? How many new plays did the Vikings run. DL was completely beat at the LOS. First time all year that happened. Both Packer groups seemed to have trouble making adjustments in game. Not surprising for the offense. That has become a constant theme under MLF. Very surprising for Pettine's defense. Packers played more 3-4 base. This defense is not built for it, credit the Viking for forcing them in all game long. Loss of Raven Greene is telling on the backside. Out because of injury, or overuse last week. Scott went down too, that's both of the team's hybrids/SS out. Lack of use of TE surprising, open on drag delay routes all game long. How many core players injured, and did that effect rotation this game. Game left me with more questions than answers.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 02, 2020 at 08:48 pm

Looked like Kubiak ran the same plays he and Shanahan have run since 1998.

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