Forgive me, I know this is about receivers, but I couldn’t help myself.

Go away troll.

I'd love to see that!

The case can be made that every one of our WRs improves, which is what I'd like to see the most from this group. They all can't have "a breakout year," there's only one ball to go around.

Our O line will impact the success of this offense more.

Hopefully Watson will be available. Injury history is prevalent. Hoping Reed continues ascending.
Remember the days of the fab 5
Driver Jennings Jordy Cobb Jones Jermichael
We all new who the #1 receiver was in # 87

Doubs is a keeper. Dontayvion Wicks was amazing as a 5th rounder. We'll see if he's the real deal.

DuBose is a natural substitute for Wicks when he's out due to injury, just as Bo Melton is for #9.

The way Wicks dragged multiple defenders down the field with him was quite something! #11 needs to be seen as WR1. If JL10 targets him when he's open regardless what else is going on, they're going to win a lot of games.

Dillon at FB, Jacobs at RB, 1 TE and those two at WR would be hard to stop if they have a dominant line.

I agree Wicks is our Ace in the hole…does he play or does he project as an X full time? I ask bc it’s clear Watson adds an element this offense must have to win Super Bowl and I do believe Wicks could have same influence on offense but didn’t seem to be used the same way last year…maybe we see the offense evolve this year to incorporate both Watson and Wicks field stretching abilities

WR1 in the sense of JL10 always looks for him first and throws to him if he's open just to get the ball out fast. That is #11, or should be. A lot of games would be won if they take that approach ...

Out of the current 8 WRs I can see Reed Watson and Wicks, with Melton in reserve, as the long term answer. IF #9's hamstring issue is solved, of course. If they could afford to keep more, I can't predict Doubs Heath or DuBose as next, but without #9 it's clearly Doubs IMHO.

An embarrassment of riches! And Toure's still no slouch, and might make a third year leap?

I would have agreed with you on Doubs before the playoffs but he tore it up when it mattered. I said when he was drafted his upside was a high #2 and he still needs some work to get to that level. Big season for him and Watson.

Why do you say “possession receiver“ like it’s a bad thing? Possession receivers are the guys you can always count on. Great hands. Shifty. Doubs has great balance and vision and control of his body. He’s more than shown his worth and potential. He’s young, he’s healthy and productive. Not a pencil ankle racehorse who’ll be out 7 games a season. Build your offense around Dobbs, Jacobs, and our tight ends moving the ball, then sprinkle in some racehorse action.

Possession receivers win games.

That would also be a five year contract to overlap with all the other WR contracts.

Not sure why you'd get down votes for making an innocuous (and factual) statement like this. I'm guessing we have some dim-witted voters around here.

You are correct, of course. The Packers could end up with a real problem retaining the WR room in a couple of years do to so many WRs having contracts expiring in the same year.

**edit** Okay, I just realized you were also the original poster that suggested trading Watson in the first place, lol. Now I get it. I thought you had only replied that a new, 1st round WR would give the Packers a player with a potential 5 year contract to bridge the gap... yeah, I'm not necessarily on board with trading Watson. While I don't think he's the most talent WR on the roster- I think he may be 3rd or lower- he IS supremely athletic and a match up problem that really opens up everything for all the other receivers on the field. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and draft picks are nothing more than a crap shoot.

The lack of run game prowess and pass game effectiveness has knocked us out of every playoff game in the last 4+ years. We win games against most teams. It's the better teams like SF that have a tough 4 man front that we have a tough time getting past. They rush 4-man DL and we need 5-OL plus a RB and at least 1-TE to slow them down to give the QB enough time to throw....SO...That's 7-players stopping 4 and only 4 of our offenses players going for a pass covered by (7) defensive players who are pretty good players also. The same thing happens in the run game as we need 1-2 TE's to also block and WR's to get a conversion. Every team does that but we need extra TE's just to beat a 4 man front and the hole often closes quickly. If you watch the SF game it looks literally like 8 men in the box every play because we cannot or will not put enough WR's on the field to open the field up. When we get the right OL personnel we can put more playmakers on the field and do a better job of making good teams guess what we a re doing and have more mismatches wether running or passing. Hopefully our OL spent the offseason in the weight room and we can be more effective....We need Mauler OL with an attitude

You're losing FOUR O linemen.

You need competition at C and RG.

You can't count on going 2 for 2 in the draft. If two hit immediately and a third develops, you're fine. If the O line doesn't dominate all the way across you're wasting the entire team.

Dillon should be lead blocker, a receiving FB.

I'm not betting either way on #9, but I agree with your personnel choice. I hope #9 stays injury free, in which case he's higher on the depth chart than Doubs. Melton should be his direct substitute when he's out due to injury, just to keep JL10 connected to that speed. I hope he practices a LOT with #9, 11 and 80 before OTAs ...

You said the same thing about Amari Rodgers two years ago. As long as Reed stays healthy he'll be the main slot receiver but Doubs could easily be surpassed by Watson or Wicks. Wicks' three biggest games came were from week 11 on and he's better at getting off press and a better route runner than Doubs. It wouldn't shock me at all if 4 years from now Wicks is the best of the bunch.

Please, pick a lane. I mean, you loved Doubs after minicamps and predicted him as a starter who'd leap over guys who were already here to catch over 50 passes as a rookie. Then, earlier in this very thread, you've praised Doubs as a guy who had really stepped up in the playoffs.

And now, you turn around, and say that because Wicks had a good rookie year, he'll leap over Doubs, who actually improved over a pretty good rookie year, or that Doubs will be replaced by a guy who can't stay on the field in Watson.

I know this isn't on a stat sheet, but Doubs and Reed stayed healthy and produced, and Doubs especially made many very big catches for us. He's not going to be supplanted by anybody as long as he's healthy, and he's the only WR who appeared in every game.

We play a lot of 3 WR formations, you know this. If we run 64 plays in a game, we'll probably have 3 WRs on the field about 40 times. That's 168 snaps available for WRs in a game. Doubs and Reed will be in the 50s, Watson and Wicks will each get around 30. Unless one of these four guys is injured, that's the way it'll shake out. Guys like Melton and Toure and Heath can play their asses off, but as long as the Top 4 are getting it done, they're going to get the opportunities and the others will have to wait for their chance.

This is one of the best WR units I've ever seen us put on the field. In 20 11, we had an awesome passing attack, we had guys like Driver and Cobb on the team,but the ball went to Jordy, Jennings, and Jones. And Finley and Quarless at TE.

Did you know that the TE got targeted 105 times that season? Finley got 92 of them. And that's why Musgrave and Kraft aren't going to get targeted 150 times this year, as you've indicated could happen. They're going to get targeted about 110 times, Doubs and Reed are our two main WRs, Watson and Wicks will be the #3 and #4 guys....probably the best #3 and #4 in the league. Our RB is going to get the ball on half the plays. IOW, there aren't going to be any big departures on offense from what we've done the last 5 years.

Arguing over Wicks or just who will prove to be best are good problems to have :)

He's in the conversation for sure. In combination with Reed they make the whole team better!

4 great vets at WR seems to be the maximum anyone's been able to do. And along with two great TEs and a RB or two who are also reliable in the passing game, isn't that enough? As long as you've got younger players developing for depth, I think so.

Use a high pick like that, next year.

Agreed that #88 is a big bodied WR.

I'd like to see Melton held in reserve so he's fresh when needed to substitute for #9. If 9 proves he can be counted on, then having him #11 and Melton all on the field at the same time in big games? That would be a huge advantage that nobody had a chance to scout.

Wicks definitely looks like he's getting down on the off-season workouts. Hope he doesn't get too swole.

https://twitter.com/JacobMorley/status/1771726157253144934?t=gz-772y73Ip...

Oppy, Wicks is a beast! Rarely do you see a WR dragging multiple defenders down the field like he did.

MLF should continue being like a kid on Christmas morning, designing plays ...

Toure ended up on IR, and I don’t think he’s yet passed his physical, so his disappearance may not be for the reasons widely assumed. He’s a very nice reserve on game day because he can play multiple positions. He’s probably best in the slot, but there he’s got a ton of competition. He’s perhaps the best back up to the Doubs role too, although Wicks might do well there. A good problem to have. Toure could yet surprise us in camp in terms of roke as well as his play.

Toure played in 11 games both in 2022 and 2023. He's been targeted a total of 28 times across those 11 games (1 TD, 6 first downs) putting up catch percentages of 44.4% in 2022, and 50% in 2023, for a career catch percentage of 46.4%, and a career catch "Receiving Success Rate Percentage" of 28.6%. Receive Success is consider a a reception that accumulates 40% or more yards needed for a first down on 1st down, 60% or more on second down, or 100% or more on 3rd and 4th downs.

To give you some perspective, Bo Melton, who has played in 5 games total, has 24 targets (1 TD, 13 first downs), with a catch percentage of 66.7%, and a receiving success rate of 62.5%.

Toure looked like he had much promise in his rookie training camp, but has not looked good since.

He is young (like all of them) and perhaps he can turn it around, but I am not hopeful. He is clearly far on the outside looking in in terms of his favor in the WR room. All but DuBose seem to be ahead of Toure at this time.

Reed was not targeted or designed to be WR1, but emerged as such by the numbers. By my eye test he was the clear #1 early in the season; he's open, almost always. If JL10 were instructed to always look for him first and throw to him when he's open regardless of what else is happening just to get the ball out fast, that would both give Reed huge numbers and it would win a lot of games.