I agree, CW. I’m more interested in seeing if the coaching staff is as good as Love.

Good points regarding the coaching staff.

That said, RIGHT NOW Jordan's receiving targets are Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs, Josiah Degaura, Samori Toure, Bo Melton, and Tyler Davis.

Patrick Mahomes himself could not do much with that group.

Adding a rookie or two and some veterans off the street might help a little, but this is not like 2008 when Rodgers walked in and threw for over 1,000 yards to both Jennings and Driver and had James Jones and a rookie Jordy Nelson behind them.

I suspect some of the spotlight might get shined on the GM as well as the coaching staff if the passing game fails to produce in 2023,

Well met Squire! Love and Patience indeed. Thank you for writing well.

I think Love is going to be fine, and his worst year as a starter will be his first year.

I’m already tired of listening to fans say “Rodgers never would have done that” after every misfire, and Love hasn’t even started to play!
They are going to be particularly vocal after every interception.

I think Love will do better than 6-10. I'll go so far to say that we win the division. Not because of Love, but because of the TEAM.

He will LOVE Chicago!

One of the reasons we've had such stability at the QB position over the past 30 years aside from the talent is toughness, durability, and the ability to play through nagging injuries. Favre was an iron man, and although Rodgers missed games in a couple seasons due to the collarbone, he has been remarkably durable as well.

So we will see if Love is able to continue this good fortune. In what little we've seen of him he has looked relatively unflustered in the pocket, which is good, but hopefully he has that sixth sense to know when pressure is coming so he can get out of there, and if need be, slide and get out of bounds at the right time to avoid nasty hits. We don't need a tag team situation at QB because right now we have no idea who the backup(s) will be.

My guess is that Love’s first year might be a struggle. Much of that is due to a lack of veteran receivers. As we get out from cap constraints more talent will be infused. That’s really when we will see what can be accomplished.

Regardless of how Love does this season, the team will be better off for it in the long run. This team needed more camaraderie, leadership and character. The old guard, led by 12, had very little to none of that. When your "best" player no longer thinks they need to work as hard as everyone else, or be there to mentor the young players, then things become stagnant. This next chapter will be exciting. Watching which players step up into leadership roles. Actually seeing teammates be there for each other on game days, instead of moping and long cold stares... This franchise needs a new leader. Someone who wants to be there, and wants to be a leader. And I'm all there for it.

This is not a rebuild.

This is a reload.

Obligatory, Reloaded LoveGun will fire on all cylinders. ; P

It will be very interesting to see who steps up this season in a leadership role with Rogers gone. I'm betting Aaron Jones is the next big locker room presence. Him setting the tone and announcing he will be one of the players working out with Love and the rookie receivers this off season is huge. I can't wait to seee all that his leadership brings to this team.

It will be very interesting to see who steps up this season in a leadership role with Rogers gone. I'm betting Aaron Jones is the next big locker room presence. Him setting the tone and announcing he will be one of the players working out with Love and the rookie receivers this off season is huge. I can't wait to seee all that his leadership brings to this team.

"The Packers, in the organization's 100-plus year history, have only ever had 46 different starting quarterbacks in 1,418 regular season games played."

That is amazing to consider! And about half of those 46 QBs played between Star and Favre. Jerry Tagge, Jack Concannon and Randy Wright...good times.

Hey Gunnar, I was a Packer since I was about 5, I guess. You have me beat. But at least I got to enjoy the 96 season and the Super Bowl...when you were minus 2 years old!

This is all music to the ears.
For the Deaf and Dumb.
There are No guarantees with Love.
The "Replacement Stats" will tell the fantasy.
So much for; "defeat the enemy at all costs."
Truth is: There are just too many holes.
They couldn't change them in Rodger's Time.
And they won't change them in Loves.

It is going to be really important for Love that he is surrounded by playmakers. We have some now but TE is going to be important for him, mainly catching but blocking too. Good TEs and RBs are a QBs safety outlet when pressured. Yes all of these guys are young but they know they can play. It will be a growing experience but they will bond way more with Jordan than with the Diva. Jordan won't act like he is better than them. Respect will be mutual. Actual teammates.

Get a TE late 1st after trade back and another in 4th or 5th. Add in Ruckert from the Jets and a vet with skills and speed like Albert Okwuegbunam from Broncos in a trade for Savage or a 7th rounder. Receiving room rebuilt with youth and talent. Back in the playoffs in 2024.

Patience will not be allowed in this Dojo.

Patience is no longer tolerable.

Patience has a very short life.

Patience is time well wasted.

Love is already 3 years passé in a fast changing, patience starved league, especially for QB's.

How deep is your love for Love, or is just a dream that will fade away quickly?

It may be unfair to Love, but patience is the one thing he needs to extinguish the need for, as quickly as possible.

Here's an idea to help folks get some patience for Love - we need a 'lowlight' video of boneheaded plays from David Whitehurst, Scott Hunter, Jerry Tagge, Jack Del Gaizo and any other stiff that played for us during the Dark Ages; these plays will all undoubtedly, in my mind, be worse to much worse than anything Jordan Love will do this season. If anyone gets on Love's case, send them a link to this video with the line "Patience, Grasshopper' from the old Kin Fu series, followed by "See, it could be MUCH WORSE than what we're seeing now."

Not sure if it'll help, but hey, it could be amusing.

One of my favorite memories of those times is a WR named Phil Epps trying to pogo-stick 20 yards into the end zone, hopping on one leg. Wikipedia says he made it; the game film says he didn't. Great pass by Lynn Dickey, BTW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YahO4lv5QAM (at the 1:09 mark)

For some entertainment, go over to ganggreen.com...same platform as AcmePackers.

They are soooo sure the Jets can acquire Rodgers for just the cost of his K...just wait for the Packers to fold.

It would be the go to site for exploding heads if the Packers trade the MVP to the Patriots for a 2nd and a 2024 conditional 1.

I am looking forward to this upcoming season as a parent watching their child grow, develop and mature. My enjoyment will not necessarily be predicated by wins and losses but rather by the incremental development, and perhaps, the occasional brilliance of each young player. Nor will I expect that the rookies and the other young players to immediately challenge the older boys for their place on the field.

An unfortunate benefit to this last losing season - is that it has lowered the expectations of a winning season. So this is probably a better mindset towards a very young team - somewhat in transition. And with lowered expectations normally comes a lower probability for disappointment.

However, what does cause me the most concern is not the players per se. But how they will be coached, guided, nurtured and treated during their formative year(s). A special hand and understanding is very necessary in bringing a very young team into cohesion and maturity. Is that talent and experience currently on the coaching staff? Only time will tell.

I'm going to tell y'all about patience.

I had an uncle who was a farmer near Menominie, and he told me that I could be patient, or impatient, and it wouldn't make the corn grow any faster. I've applied that to many things in my life, and it's true. Things are going to happen in their own time, and the only things that are accomplished by trying to hurry it along are aggravation and mistakes.

If you're supposed to bake brownies for 50 minutes at 370, you can't just bake them at 450 for 40 minutes. You can't make rice boil faster. You can't drive any faster than the guy ahead of you..

So. Relax. You'll live longer, you'll be happier.

My personal expectation is that the Packers will score 30 in the opener. I know some other people have flatly stated that our offense will be worse this year than last, and they've said people like me, who think we're going to be better, are delusional.

2022 Packers Offense:

Scoring: 370 points, 14th in the league, 7th in the NFC, 3rd in the division. That's a little under 22 ppg. We had NINE games where we scored 22 or less last year, and we were 1-8 in those games. We barely outscored Atlanta, with Marcus Marriotta throwing to a rookie WR who was getting 4 catches per game. The great TE, Pitts, caught less than half of his 59 targets for about 370 yards.(Tonyan had a much better season) . Their second leading rusher was a 31 year old converted WR (Patterson).

So yeah, I think we can do better than that. Hell, the Raiduhs were a Top 10 offense last year. The 49ers, with a 3rd string Mr. Irrelevant, was a Top 10 offense last year.

Strengthen the offensive line. Add an offensive skill position player or two.

Remember, Tua, Burrow, and Herbert were taken before Love, and Hurts was taken after. Every single one of these guys had a better season than Rodgers last year. They were all in the playoffs.

Put me down for we'll score more than 370 points next year. Put me down for "we'll score more than 7 in the opener". Put me down for we'll score more than 12.5 ppg against the Loins. Put me down for a better offense, and a better record in 2023.

Jets just acquired another second round pick, #42 for Elijah Moore. Give us #42 and #43, along with a #2 next year, and call it a deal!?

i just heard on you tube that Jets traded E Moore to Browns for 42th pick. And they may offer 42 & 43 pick for ACR this season. What do you think?

We don't really have any choice other than to be patient with Love. There are numerous variables that can and will affect his performance during the next few seasons. Coaching, OL play, a young WR corps, injuries to him and other key players, defensive and ST performance. It's impossible to know at this point how Love will respond to any of these situations. How will he respond to playing from behind when the defense knows that he must throw? How will he respond to being heavily blitzed as he was in the KC game? There are too many variables to mention what Love will face in his first few seasons.

I personally believe that he will do well early in the 2023 season. Professional sports are about making adjustments both over the course of the season and during individual games. The key point will be once the opposing defenses have a few games of film on Love and begin to adjust their defensive plans to play against him. How effectively will Love adjust his play? How will MLF adjust the game plans to support Love? Tom Clements will be a huge factor for Love during these early seasons in his career.

Since there is no way to know how Love will play we have no choice but to wait and see. To predict at this point is folly and unnecessary. Manage expectations and take the good with the bad as we do with any other player. I believe that we need to give him 2 seasons at least. Aaron Rodgers himself said that the game began to slow down for him in his 3rd season as a starter which was the 2010 SB season. He returned from a concussion against the Lions and the Packers went on a 19 game winning streak which extended into the week 13 of the 2011 season when Rodgers was awarded his first MVP. If Love follows the same trajectory we will be very fortunate. We should keep in mind that Brett Favre also won his first MVP award in his 4th season as a starter which was 1995.

Whether we call it having patience or managing expectations we need to give Love a chance to evolve into the QB position or not. Thanks, Since '61

somewhere along the line during the draft Packers should find a way to get Jake Moody the kicker from Michigan...dudes outstanding...going to need a kicker sooner or later...

Looks to me like Gutey has the upperhand and forced the Jet's to trade a very young and talented Elijah Moore to obtain another 2nd round pick. Cleveland got the better end of the trade, but it provides the Jet's some more options. I'd still prefer the #13, but being the greedy guy I am hoping the Packers get #13, #42, and #43, a player like Jermaine Johnson, and a conditional pick, or two in coming years.

Yes, the Packers probably would be trading Rodgers and Bachtiari for that trade bounty if it was for all the above. Otherwise, wonder whether Packers are getting only the #13, the #13 plus one of the 2nd round picks, or just the #42 & #43rd? Things are looking up and I have a feeling Bachtiari is being traded and the Packers are going to be drafting one of Peter Skoronski, Paris Johnson, Brokerick Johnes, Anton Harrison, or a Dawarnd Jones. We will see!

I couldn't be more excited about the new Packer era and should the Packers be getting most or all of those three picks it is going to change everything for the Packers in the draft and what they can accomplish.

The reason for the decline from 2007 to a 6 win and 10 loss season in 2008 was not Rodgers, it was the fall off in the Packer Defense.

With Brett Favre as starter in 2007 the Packers had the NFL's 4th ranked offense and 6th ranked defense.

With Aaron Rodgers as starter in 2008 the Packers had the NFL's 5th ranked offense and 22nd ranked defense.

Favre in 2007 threw 28 touchdowns and 15 interceptions and for 4,155 yards.

Rodgers in 2008 threw 28 touchdowns 13 interceptions and for 4,038 yards.

On offense the Packers did not miss a beat moving from Favre to Rodgers.

Packers with a healthy Rodgers in 2023-24 would be back in the playoffs again. The young receivers from last year are good and will get better. 1st and 2nd round Packer picks should bring a good tight end and receiver. The defense is solid. The special teams improved.

There was plenty of evidence in 2008 and earlier that Rodgers was ready from both this big game college performances against nationally ranked opponents like #1 ranked USC and Pete Carroll and from Rodgers November Thursday night 2007 performance in Dallas against the Cowboys. Same was true with Favre coming out of college in games against Alabama and others.

There is very little evidence that Jordan Love has that ability based on the few snaps we have seen. The most sustained action he has had when the opposing defense had a week to game plan for him was his start at Kansas City in which Jordan had 63 snaps and the Packers scored 7 points and Jordan's passer rating was 69.5. Then Jordan had 37 snaps and a 64 passer rating in the meaningless last game of the 2021-22 game against Detroit and the Lions then hapless defense.

The best we have seen from Jordan is the 10 snaps against the Eagles when the Eagles were laying back in prevent defense and giving Jordan and the Packers the short stuff, that Christian Watson turned into a touchdown - all yards after the catch.

Jordan's college career career at Utah State- including blow out 42 to 6 loss to Joe Burrow and LSU when Jordan threw 3 picks and Joe Burrow 5 TDs, loss to Josh Allen and Wyoming when Jordan threw 3 picks, loss to 22nd ranked Boise State and Brett Rypien (Super Bowl QB Mark Rypien's nephew) when Jordan was outplayed, loss to 11th ranked Michigan State when Jordan threw 2 picks and was out played by future Giants and Patriots undrafted Brian Lewerke or his last game in the Frisco Bowl with the pick and loss to Kent State and Dustin Crum - undrafted signed by the Chiefs and now in the CFL.

Jordan looks better than his first exhibition games - all of which I have watched - and he certainly is better than the disaster of Brett Hundley, 5th round 2015 Packer draft choice, that kept us out of the playoffs when Aaron went down in 2017.

But there is no reason to replace Aaron Rodgers with Jordan Love at this point, never mind trading Rodgers.

Even though the NFL since the 1994 salary cap has been in an age of parity there are still several examples of teams that rarely reach the playoffs.

I have been a die hard Packer Fan since Bart Starr in the late 1960s and I watch all the games from 1968 through 1991 when we reached the playoffs only 2 years - 1972 and strike shortened 1982.

Many Packer fans younger than 40 have no idea of reality and have been spoiled by the QB stability the Packers have had and EVEN REACHING THE PLAYOFFS. They don't appreciate it.

Despite Packers never having drafted a receiver, tight end or running back in the first round in Aaron Rodgers 18 years as a Packer;

And despite the Packers only having spent 2 first round draft picks (Sherrod & Bulaga) on the offensive line in Aaron Rodgers 18 years as a Packer;

And despite the Packers having used their first draft picks on defense in 14 of the 17 years since Aaron Rodger was drafted in 2002 and despite the Packers STILL never having a top ranked defense and a top 10 ranked defense only 3 times in Aaron Rodgers 15 years as a starter;

In Aaron Rodgers 15 years as the Packers' starting QB the Packers played in 21 post season games, more than any of the other 15 NFC teams during that 15 year time span, all of those teams rotating through multiple QBs during those 15 years.

During those 15 years with Rodgers as the starter the Packers also played in 5 NFC Championship games, more than any other NFC team's QB during that 15 years.

Aaron last year played with broken thumb from the Giants game onwards and a rotating offensive line and rotating and injured new wide receivers had 41 drops - including 5 drops in the pivotal last playoff determining Lion game - relative to 15 drops in 2021 when Davante Adams led the team in drops with only 3 in 169 targets! Add 26 completions (41 minus 15) and Rodgers - even with the broken thumb and rotating offensive line - is at the top of the QB stats and the Packers are in the playoffs.

Rodgers will like Brady play at a high level through age 45 and whatever team he is on will be in the playoffs and a threat to win the Super Bowl. For the selfish and unrealistic that is not good enough. As far as the Tom Brady comparisons, from the time that Aaron Rodgers became a starter in 2008, Tom Brady had the higher ranked defense supporting him 14 of the 15 years - all but 3 of those years Brady had a top 10 ranked defense behind him, Aaron has a top 10 ranked defense only 3 of the 15 years

The team without Rodgers in this case - be it the Jets or Packers - they will have no assurances of even sniffing the playoffs - they will be searching for a QB and rotating through QBs and hoping. That's the most likely scenario. As a die hard Packer fan I hope I am wrong and I will be cheering on whomever is the QB.

Gunnar, this is a great piece you’ve written.

I’d imagine the Bears came within single digits of our total 46 QBs to start in Packers history, in only this 30 year stretch of Favre/Rodgers. Last I recall, Chicago started 39 QBs in that span? Something like that.

Crazy. We are fortunate, indeed, with more in store:

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Passionate discussion. Just a quick reminder: the first NFL game is Sept. 10. That's six months away. That's when we will have a better idea about the QB.

I think a better discussion for now might be who is the backup QB? Assuming Rodgers leaves I don't think they will stick with Etling. But who can they afford?

Aaron in his first year as a starter in the NFL - with a Packer defense that was ranked 22nd - threw 28 touchdown passes against 13 interceptions, passed for 4,038 yards and was 6th in passer rating among 32 starting QBs and QB's with more than 149 passing attempts behind only Rivers, Pennington, Warner, Brees and Manning. Aaron started all 16 games that season despite badly injuring his throwing shoulder in week 4 at Tampa Bay and being limited for the next month in practice.

Expectations for Jordan Love - should he be the 2023-24 starter - should be no less, given Jordan will be in his 4th year as Rodgers was in 2008 and the Packers are one year removed from a team that was 13-3, 13-3, and 13-4.

And the Love and Rodgers of 2023 will have it physically and mentally much easier than the Rodgers and Favre of 2008 just as the Favre of 2008 had it physically and mentally much easier than the Favre of 1992 because the NFL has progressively become more and more protective of the QB over the years.

And it should be noted that expectations for Love should also be no different than Favre in 1992 who did not have the benefit of a 3 year apprenticeship - just 1 year with the Falcons - and Favre's Packers of 1992 - unlike Rodgers 2008 Packers or Love's 2023 Packers were not composed of young players who had just played on 13-3 team with a year in the playoffs like Rodgers nor a 13-3, 13-3, and 13-4 team with 3 years in the playoffs like Love, but a 4-12 season and 9 years of having not made the playoffs.

Favre, despite these handicaps - 1 year of apprenticeship rather than 3, playing in a time when QBs were not as protected as they are today, and playing a a team that had not seen the playoffs in 10 years - in his first year as a starter Favre was still 8 wins and 5 losses and in relief led the Packers to a come from behind victory against the Bengals when Majik was injured knocked out of the game and was chosen for the Pro Bowl on 18 touchdowns, 13 interceptions, 3,227 yards passing and a passer rating of 85.3

Correction of double post.