"Pretend, for a moment, that you are New York Jets general manager Joe Douglas. Here’s what you may be thinking"

"The upcoming draft is loaded with promising young signal callers. Wouldn’t it be smarter to keep my first round pick, and all my other picks, take one of these young guys, and hope he blossoms into a leader that will take my team to the playoffs for the next decade?"

Maybe Ken maybe, but the Jets also have one of those owners who sticks his nose into things and tells Joe Douglas to "Get er done". Woody Johnson is 75 years old and WANTS to win a SB. As much as we like to say as Packers fans, NOT having a owner (at least until Mark Murphy started to pretend to be one) is a luxury other teams don't have. Nope, we have a GM, A FOOTBALL GUY, like Ron Wolf, Ted Thompson, and now Brian Gutekunst to make those decisions. It's worked pretty well for the last 30 years. Johnson may just get involved. Besides, I don't think the Jets get one of those QBs, not where their picking.

"And, with apologies to Jordan Love, would still give Green Bay the best chance to win in 2023."

Huh, WHY? You don't think Love could have led the Packers to a 8-9 record? Hmm, actually I don't either. I think Love would have gone 10-7. Rodgers DOESN'T give the Packers the best chance to win because he of the things he refuses to do. Like run the scheme MLF wants to run, not the one that's been created for Rodgers.

I'll always be a Packers fan and if 12 is leading them next year I'll be rooting as hard as I always do. But I don't believe he gives the Packers the best chance to win anymore, ESPECIALLY with Joe Barry coming back.

I’m against trading Rodgers at all.
I’m greedy and want wins.
And if management did their job as well.
We wouldn’t be talking about what we could get for him.

Trade Rodgers to the Jets for one of their stud defensive tackles and pick(s).

That will immediately help our defense for years to come.

I think its funny how perspective works.

I see at least 3 different perspectives revolving around Rodgers.

First perspective is the Packers Fans that want Rodgers gone. They see an aging QB who had a down year and is the biggest problem on the team. A lot don't like him for various reasons, which if they were honest with themselves is more based off the field then on the field. They are ready to turn to Love no matter how good or bad he is. No one knows at this point whether he will be good or not.

Second perspective is the various NFL team fans that are hoping to trade for Rodgers. A lot of these fans would do just about anything to get a QB to play even close to the worst year for Rodgers. The Jets, Colts, Raiders fans all would mostly welcome Rodgers because they have seen him as one of the greatest QB's to play and still has a lot left in the tank. And their QB's just haven't been good enough.

Third perspective is the Packer fans that think Rodgers gives the Packers the best option to win the super bowl. Most of these fans view this last year as more of an anomaly, as there were a lot of other circumstances around the QB. The previous 2 years he earned the MVP and the skills haven't fell off the cliff in one year. There were a lot of changes at OL, WR and in the coaching staff. This isn't an indictment of Love, its just they feel that Rodgers gives them the best chance to win the super bowl.

Its funny how perspective works. There obviously are a lot more then 3, but these are the 3 main ones I have seen the most. Most fans will fit into one of these categories.

"He has reached the point where he is more valuable to the Packers than he likely would be in a trade to someone else."
As for trade value, if you are GB why would you settle trading him for anything less then a massive deal? Even in a down year he is way better then Russel Wilson and look at the haul they got. Look at what the Browns gave up for a QB that was suspended. Look at what teams give up for QB's in the draft. This is a massive move and you can not settle for a small package of lower draft picks. There are enough teams desperate for a good QB that you simply can't settle.

It has a lot to do with how many teams are interested. If just one team, yeah, no first rounders. If two, then maybe a first rounder. A team can expect two years out of Rodgers, so that is a limiter too. Perhaps Rodgers will negotiate a third year in a contract which would help the trade scenario.

By Rodgers comments it seems he is ok with a trade. And that's good for it allows a good exit for both parties. That's where I am at.

I agree that Rodgers' trade value may be overrated. However, Gutey is playing this wickedly smart; he is staying relatively quiet and let the media and the other teams be the ones to stir up the buzz. If it was known that we were actively trying to trade Rodgers, I could see other teams trying to low-ball us, but remember that initially it was the other teams that sparked the interest. We are keeping to ourselves for mow.

Because other teams (Jets, Raiders) were interested first, they are more likely to give up more capital to get him. I think his trade value would be around 2 seconds, but the Packers (so I've heard) won't accept less than 2 firsts. Good for them to try to squeeze as much value out of Rodgers as they can!

Almost everyone seems to assume Rodgers has only one or two years left…I agree…IF he stays in GREEN BAY.
I think he’s in great physical condition, and I believe his injury and attitude were his problems last year, but what if he ends up in a Brady-in-Tampa-Bay situation? What if he wins a Super Bowl and thinks he could win more? He might play for ten more years.

I would like to trade him to the highest bidder, and I think it could be a win-win situation, because I don’t see a happy ending if he stays HERE.

I’ve said all along, the reason for trading Rodgers is more relief from the situation created last year than what we get back in picks. Cap relief for the future and moving on from a complete mismatch of roster and QB.

We got a third the year after for the post draft trade of Favre in a fire sale. It could have been higher had Favre taken them into the playoffs and higher again if he took them deep into them. It looked like he would till he hurt his throwing arm before the final 1/3 of the season.

I would expect a similar deal structure. This isn’t the fire sale during camp, but the league knows we have put our backs to the wall. Also Rodgers is a year older than Favre was. Anything more is a bonus, but that extension is as well known to the league as to us, as is the mismatch between what we have around him and Rodgers at 39/40 next season.

One never knows if a bidding war will ensue, but a team digging out of a hole of its own making that contractually only gets deeper under the status quo is not in a position to be greedy unless Lady Luck steps in like that.

"FREE TO A GOOD HOME"

Picks are great, but what good are picks if you're slowly strangling your ability to retain talent because you can't pay them due to the slow strangulation of Rodgers ever-increasing cap hit over the next 3 years?

I'm not saying the Packers shouldn't take the most attractive offer that Rodgers would accept.. I'm just saying, don't play hardball with a legitimately interested team to the point you completely botch the deal.

Getting Rodgers out of Green Bay should be the #1 goal this off season. I don't know if it will be, but it should be.

Offer to trade Rodgers just to see what capital we get for him. By next season, his bad thumb should not be an issue, for prospective QB shoppers.

The Packers might get low-balled initially, but teams will see a QB class that requires a top 5-7 pick and the time investment and uncertainty of developing a rookie QB. Who knows what 12 might bring in trade? The real value to the Packers is clearing the cap sooner rather than much later, and eliminating distractions. Any reasonable return over a cut or retirement is found money.

"Go to a simulator and trade down from the #15 pick.
You'll get more than what you would for trading Rodgers."

This is stupid. Trading down doesn't increase draft value, it spreads it out. Nobody is going to hose themselves so badly on a single draft that their trade-up would equal value brought from outside AND the picks acquired for #15.

You could have both...but there needs to be a plan and it needs to be well thought-out.

I believe that the days of 2 x 1st round picks died when the Packers chose not to trade Rodgers prior to the 2022 season.

Right now I'd accept a 2nd rounder - not because I hate Rodgers, far from it, but to shed an awful contract (and avoid an aging players decrease in ability and increased chance of injury). It also allows a first round pick QB (Love, of course) to start in 2023 and show the Packers what he has.

Las Vegas gets ARod and the Packs 1st.
GB gets LV 1st and 3rd and 2024 conditional 2nd.
The Packs trades LV 1st and 3rd to Tenn for their 1st and 2nd.

Other teams thinking about Rodgers using the 2-Matts scenarios:

Is he the Rams' Matt Stafford? Won a Super Bowl. 2-firsts, a player and conditionals are worth it.

Is he the Colts' Matt Ryan? Sitting on the bench by the end of the first season. 2nd round pick with conditionals.

That would be desperate teams ignoring the Russ Wilson scenario.

Rodgers to Raiders for #7 overall pick and future 1st. Then Packers trade up and draft Will Anderson. Thats the kind of world I want to live in.

The whole purpose of trading him is to get out from under his cap hit. I agree with those who posit that he can still win a lot of games with good receivers and a solid line. Yet, his cap hit prevents strengthening the team with quality FA’s. There is no way around it that I can see. My guess is that he plays for us this year and retires next year and we stay in cap hell for a few years and build through the draft.

"The key to the Packers returning to the playoffs in 2023 is getting the defense to be dominant."

So, you're saying we aren't going to the playoffs in 2023. Joe Barry is our DC. Our defense will never be dominant (except for flashes) as long as that remains true. Any resources placed on that side of the ball are wasted as long as he's our DC.

The trade is likely to happen. Where is the question. On NFL Live recently one of the panelists pointed out that Nathaniel Hackett had the 32nd ranked offense last year yet was hired by the Jets as OC. Why? Maybe he's friendly with a certain QB not named Russell Wilson.

But the Raiders could also get it done. They would have to cut Carr then do some contract shuffling but they could fit His Highness' contract into their cap.

I think the deal to the Jets is all but done. They don't want to announce it until after the Super Bowl. The chance of Rodgers returning next year to Green Bay is nearly zilch.

Aaron Rodgers playoff record since 2010 is 8-10. He failed to even reach, must less win, a Super Bowl in any of his 4 MVP seasons.

So now, at 40 years old and coming off the worst season of his career, he is supposedly the missing piece for teams like the Jets to win a Super Bowl? I just don't see teams giving up anything resembling a massive haul for Rodgers at this point. Favre netted a 3rd. Matt Ryan the same. The Wilson trade isn't a fair comparison as he was 5 years younger. Same with Stafford. Forget a similar type package those two netted.

I think two 2nds would probably get it done. Possibly one 1st. Just not seeing anything more than that.

why would a west coast guy who loves golfing want to live in NYC?? Its the Raiders or nothing...common sense...STAY TUNED FOR THE TUESDAY RITUAL!! Then we will have even more insight from Rodgers perspective!!

I think Rodgers still has enough physical talent to lead a team, the problem is his head is getting in the way of using it. He only wants to play a way that he likes, and he gets rattled and frustrated way too easily. He takes up all the time before the snap planning everything out and if things don't go according to plan he either gets sacked or he throws a bomb no one can catch. ( this is especially true around the opponents 40 yard line, he has some type of brain lock in that range) Maybe a change of scenery changes that for him. Maybe he has wanted to be traded for a while and his cap hit etc are his way of trying to make it happen. Hes like a guy who wants to break up with a girl but he doesn't have the guts to tell her so he makes it difficult on her until she breaks up with him. If that's the case we need to take what we can get for him and not look back, because this relationship might be toxic for both parties.

Jet fans are like crack addicts, now that they've had a taste of what it's like. Not to be awful and God forbid be actually very good. I don't think they'll pass up Rodgers. Let's see if their management agrees.

The Jets, reportedly, are "all-in" on trying to get Rodgers. As I mentioned earlier, despite some talent on offense, they scored 12 points or less in 7 games and lost them all. They finished 7-10. A little bit of improvement on offense would have put this team in the playoffs. Now you've added Hackett, you add Rodgers, you still have a Top 5 defense.......why not?

I still think Las Vegas makes more sense. They have the money, they have the need, they have Davante Adams.

The nice thing is that with two teams as viable options, they are the ones who will determine Rodgers value. Do teams overpay for a QB? Oh yes. All the time. Christian Ponder? DeShaun Watson? Baker Mayfield? Jay Cutler? You don't win without competent quarterbacking, and Rodgers is a competent QB.

IMO, this will end with a trade to the Raiduhs. They were 0-7 in games where they didn't score at least 20 points.

What can/will the Raiduhs give us? They have a very high pick, but they also have picks #38, #70, and #106, which would carry the equivalent value of a mid-first round pick. I'd take that, in a heartbeat. I'd also trade down #15 with Arizona for #34, #66, #96. That would give me selections at 34,38, 45, 66, 70, 78, 96, 106, and 115. Nine picks in the top 115.

There were two important factors you chose to ignore. One very recent, one from a few years ago. First is the retirement of Tom Brady, Oakland had apparently been interested in bringing him in as a replacement for Derek Carr. That is no longer an option. Is there a QB who is a better fit for the Raiders than Rodgers? He already has a strong familiarity with Adams, and would be an upgrade over Carr.
The second factor is that this would be the second time the Packers traded their starting QB to the Jets, so they could move on to the heir presumptive. The last time it was Favre, and the Packers got a conditional fourth round pick (that became a third rounder) for Favre. The team could have traded him to Minnesota for a much larger return, but wanted him out of the NFC. Which they accomplished for one year. Because the Jets cut him, he ended up in Minnesota, and almost got the team to the Super Bowl.
So, the Packers should get at least a first for Rodgers? Precedent would indicate otherwise. The Packers are looking to find someone to take on his horrendous contract. If they can find someone who can do that, and give the Packers a draft pick and a player, go for it. The team already showed bad judgement in not trading Rodgers to Denver, and then signing him to that horrible contract. They have a chance to at least ease some of the pain. Getting greedy, or overrating Rodgers' ability to lead them to a SB would be compounding the mistakes.

Many of you said mostly all possible outcomes, so I'm not in discussion what "I would accept in that trade" or "what will be offered" and similar thoughts. I admit I have no clue how much is possible to get from that trade, except quite a nice relief of SC problems...

But, I would like to discuss some Ken's statements he made in this article, first one I completely agree with:

"Contrast that to what he is, and means, to Green Bay. Rodgers, when he is gone, will be a legend in these parts. They will name a street after him one day. They will put his name on the stadium ring. He has brought us some of the most thrilling moments in team history over the past fifteen years." ACR deserved that, no question about. He was the one who keep Packers hope on high level for most of his 10-12 years (from 2009 till 2021).

"And, with apologies to Jordan Love, would still give Green Bay the best chance to win in 2023." Win what? 5, 6 games the most. You do not need any apologies to anyone. That is your opinion. Apology will be better to come if Jordan Love will lead Packers to winning season. And if he will be playing on above average level. I do not expect Jordan Love is completely ready. Why? Because he lacks NFL games experience. He need one season to adapt himself to lot of small things he never faced in the past. He showed flashes of possibility, but to be consistent he need that experience. ACR will play worse every year. Jordan Love has possibility to improve his playing every year. So, what you want? Another year of suspicious QBing or enjoying in how young player rise together with team.

I'm all for this second option...

If Rodgers is traded, as I hope -- and may all be well with him -- then it seems as though it would be an exciting time at CHTV to talk about the other players on the Packers, as well as those to be drafted, possibly a free agent or two, with much more of an emphasis on the entire team.
What a relief it would be, what a breath of fresh air, what a hope for a new start for the Packers as a team striving for the Super Bowl!!!

How much longer are we gonna keep up this ridiculous narrative that Rodgers plays terribly in the playoffs?

Joe Burrow
2021- 4 games 5td 2int 97.3 rating
2022- 3 games 4td 2int 89.3 rating

Mahomes
2020- 3 games 4td 2int 90.3 rating
2022- 2 games 4td 0int 3 lost fumbles 108 rating

Tom Brady
2018 3 games 2td 3int 85.9 rating
2019 1 game 0TD 1INT 59.4 rating
2020 4 games 10td 4int 3 lost fumbles 98 rating
2021 2 games 3td 1INT 90 rating
2022 1 game 2td 1int 72.2 rating

Josh Allen
2019 2 games 0TD 0INT 69.5 rating
2020 3 games 5TD 1int 94.3 rating
2021 2 games 9TD 0int 149 rating
2022 2 games 3td 3int 80.1 rating

Aaron Rodgers
2021 20-29 225 69% completion percentage 92 rating somehow gave up a blocked punt for a TD too
2020 2 games 68% completion percentage 5td 1int +1 rushing 104 rating
2019 2 games 71% completion percentage 4td 2int 105 rating
2017 3 games 63% completion percentage 9TD 2int 104 rating
2009 1 game 67% completion percentage 4TD 1int +1 rushing TD 121.4 rating yet they lost?

Additionally, if people are stupid enough to think that Rodgers is washed then I can guarantee next season they sit on their couches depressed when he’s lighting up the league. Before winning back to back MVP’s he threw for 4002 yards 7 yards per pass 26 TD 4 INT 95.4 rating. That’s in contrast to 3700 yards 6.8 per pass 26 TD 12 INT 91.1 rating. Pretty damn similar. If you truly think he will put up those pedestrian numbers throwing to the likes of Davante Adams, Hunter Renfrow, Mack Hollis’s and Darren Waller you need to contact a local mental health clinic and find out when the next intake days are and tell them the size of straight jacket you’ll be needing.
Then I also look forward to everyone’s objective thoughts. What else is a more perfect representation of the US’ current mindset than people arguing based on how they feel rather than unchangeable concrete facts and information. Anything to avoid pointing the finger at the true responsible parties (cough- GM/ President- cough)