The Lass Word: The Quiet Assassin
Doubs lets his play do the talking.
By KenLass
It is beautiful to watch Romeo Doubs catch a football. It is painful to watch him do a locker room interview.
The second year receiver was one of the heroes of Green Bay’s Sunday night victory in Seattle with a pair of touchdown receptions, the second one being a spectacular shoe-top grab that put the game out of reach. He did a celebration dance with his teammates after the catch, and was ebullient on the sideline. After the game, of course the media encircled his locker to get his post game thoughts.
First question: “Put that second touchdown catch in words, will ya? It was kind of an incredible grab.”
There followed six seconds of awkward silence, which seemed like an eternity, as Doubs stared at the floor, desperately searching for words. He finally looked up and said in a quiet, low key, almost apologetic-sounding tone, “I just caught the ball. Nothing crazy. Obviously, Jordan put the ball where it was supposed to be, and me playing the position I play, I made a play on the ball.”
That’s as close as you’re going to get to Doubs bragging on himself, or expounding on a topic. There followed three and a half more minutes of questions, each one receiving short, uncomfortable, obvious answers. At times he would ask the reporter to repeat the question, in a nervous effort to buy a few more seconds to think of a reply.
Doubs has been playing pro football for nearly three years now. He has become accustomed to being the go-to guy for Jordan Love when the Packers need a clutch play. But he clearly has never gotten used to the shine of the spotlight. When he knows the cameras are rolling on his every word, he just wants to be someplace else. When it comes to interviews, Doubs is the anti-Aaron Rodgers, who would ramble on endlessly with elaborate, sprawling responses to simple inquiries.
The Packers, and their fans, are fine with that. And why not? It’s refreshing to encounter a big play receiver who quietly goes about his business. Doubs gets paid to catch passes, not to be eloquent in front of a microphone. He is withdrawn and shy in the public eye when he is off the field. Which is why it was such a shock to fans when Doubs was suspended for one game in October after skipping out on two practices. The former Nevada standout was reportedly unhappy about his role on the team. Unsurprisingly, the reticent Doubs struggled to communicate his feelings to the coaches prior to his no-shows. “I had some things going on mentally,” Doubs said upon his return. “I do not feel comfortable getting too deep into it. I did my best communicating, and I’m just thankful that I’m here right now. … It’s much bigger than just obviously me individually finding my role. In this league, it’s just winning football games.”
Since his return in week six, the Packers have gone 7-2, and stand on the verge of clinching a playoff spot this weekend. Currently Doubs stands no higher than third on the team in receptions and touchdowns, and ranks fourth in receiving yards. But you’ll find the real value of number 87 in a different stat column. Any fan who follows the Pack will not be surprised that Doubs leads the team in catches for first downs. Christian Watson may be the field-stretching deep threat, Jayden Reed may be the speedy Swiss army knife, but when Jordan Love faces a possession down, he looks to Doubs. That quick slant has become the closest thing to a signature pass play Love has in his repertoire. It’s the play on which Doubs scored his first TD in Seattle, dragging two defenders with him the final five yards across the goal line.
“I think he can produce any time when given the opportunity,” said Matt LaFleur this week. “It all starts with the work he puts in. It’s not a secret why this happens. The guy spends more time on the JUGS machine than any guy I’ve been around. I mean, he’s got unbelievable hands. I think he’s done a great job with his releases. He knows what to do. He’s playing decisively. He’s playing really good football right now.”
As the Packers head down the home stretch of this 2024 season, when it’s late in the fourth quarter, and the outcome is in the balance, and the offense is staring at third and seven, look for Romeo Doubs to do his thing. His ability to make the contested catch in the clutch has become his trademark.
Just don’t expect him to have much to say about it after the game.
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Comments (78)
Leatherhead
December 19, 2024 at 03:56 pm
He'll be a hard call when it comes time to extend, harder than Watson, because he's been more productive.
I've seen him make some really tough catches the last two seasons. He was drafted with a reputation for drops, and he had several his rookie year, but he's as sure handed as anybody now.
Our #1 group: Jacobs, Reed, Doubs, Kraft, Watson. I think that it compares pretty well to other #1 groups.
GregC
December 19, 2024 at 04:34 pm
The passing game got better when they downgraded Wicks to the clear #4 WR. I don't think that was a coincidence. You don't want to run your offense through Wicks at this point. He is good for maybe a couple of catches per game, and he can take on a slightly bigger role if someone gets hurt. He may still become a key contributor in the future.
I'm excited to see what Doubs can do during the remainder of the season and in the playoffs. He was our most productive receiver in the playoffs last year.
Leatherhead
December 19, 2024 at 05:38 pm
Just like the NBA, when it gets to the playoffs, you shorten up your rotation. Wicks is #4 now but he's one play from being a starter for us. And he's under contract for next year, just like all the guys ahead of him.
I'm wondering if we might see a trade involving this very deep group.
dobber
December 20, 2024 at 08:29 am
"I'm wondering if we might see a trade involving this very deep group."
You and I have been saying this: it will need to happen, although there's a glut of WR talent in the league and talented WR are found throughout the draft. One needs to wonder how much trade value any of these guys will have. Still, anything in return is better than nothing (or a marginal comp pick).
Leatherhead
December 20, 2024 at 08:46 am
I think it's a contract game. Doubs and Watson.....try to resign one, let the other one leave. The following year, it's going to be Reed, Wicks, Kraft, and Musgrave.
Plus, we have guys on the offensive line, and on defense, who'll be coming up on their second deal. We just cannot afford to keep all these guys and we'll lose them in FA for a comp pick unless we proactively offer somebody up in trade.
I could see getting a Day Two pick for some of these guys. Anything less, you might as well just settle for the comp pick and the extra year of service.
As an example, ...ONLY an example....Let's say we could trade Watson this offseason for a Day 2 pick. Then we resigned Doubs and used the comp pick to draft another WR to replace Watson with a guy on a four year rookie deal. Wicks steps up to #3, NewGuy is #4 or #5.
The next year, we do the same thing.
We can keep Reed, Doubs, Watson, Kraft, and Jacobs together for another year after this. Then there's going to be change.
T7Steve
December 20, 2024 at 09:27 am
You guys seem to be drifting into the offseason conversation again.
If you get all this stuff figured out now, what are we going to do during the long dead zone?
Bitternotsour
December 20, 2024 at 10:00 am
I'm going to make a dread filled observation. Do you sign second contracts with guys who have had significant concussions? Do you sign second contracts with wide-outs who have significant issues with hamstrings and injuries over the first years of their careers?
Reed is the only one I would consider for a second contract. First contract wide-outs have really helped balance the cap. Why do something different.
Leatherhead
December 20, 2024 at 12:51 pm
Okay, let's go that route. Following the 2025 season, we part with both Watson and Doubs and extend Reed. We still have Wicks for one more year, plus anybody we added.
That would leave us with Reed and Wicks as starters and somebody not on the team yet as the 3rd starter. It seems to me that's kind of a drop off.
I'd try to move Watson, as exciting as he is. Then I'd use that pick to select a WR in the draft. We'd be replacing a guy that we only have under contract for one more year with a guy that we have for four more years.
WestCoastPackerBacker
December 20, 2024 at 03:15 pm
I think Watson has proved he has solved his hamstring issues, so I don't think that weighs into consideration. Doubs only has one concussion in the NFL, so that doesn't give a reason for letting him hit the open market.
They may let both guys test free agency and see if they want to match any offers they get. We'll have to see. Watson is an important field stretcher and he makes first downs often, but Doubs is the king of clutch catches that make a first down. And red zone scores.
Other than Reed, it has taken these young guys a bit to get going so I think it depends how close they think the roster is to competing for a Title. You don't want to have all systems go toward a ring and then have the wideouts be too inexperienced to be reliable. I think they'll keep at least one of Watson and Doubs. That's what draft and develop means.
Plus it may depend on the strength of the upcoming draft and the other needs on the team.
dobber
December 20, 2024 at 10:14 am
It will always be a draft and develop league.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 06:35 pm
"Let's say we could trade Watson this offseason for a Day 2 pick. Then we resigned Doubs and used the comp pick to draft another WR.."
You can't get Compensatory Picks by trading away a player. You only are eligible for comp picks if you lose more unrestricted free agents than you have signed in a given year. Since by definition an unrestricted free agent is.. unrestricted, that means they are not under contract, and therefore, they can't be traded.
Bitternotsour
December 20, 2024 at 11:09 pm
read that as compensation (i.e. the pick received in trade) rather than compensatory and it will make sense.
Grandfathered
December 19, 2024 at 07:42 pm
Wicks is our most talented blocking WR, and our whole WR corps is above average in blocking IMHO. With his release and abillity to find zone spots, I would not be surprised to see Wicks increasing in playing time.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 03:30 am
Wicks could be a super star WR but his issue is he's got a bad case of the drops.
He leads the league in drop percentage. Not just for Wide Receivers, but for all players in the entire league.
He gets his hands to even middle-of-the-road dead average, and Wicks could become a beast. He's as you mentioned, his overall WR skill set is extremely appealing. His ability to create separation is unique.. but those drops are a real issue.
LambeauPlain
December 20, 2024 at 09:56 am
Same drop virus he was pervasively infected with during his last year in college.
Many attributed it to the tragedy and team issues with the murder/shooting at the School. His Junior year was outstanding and had he entered the draft early he may have been an early round selection.
But the drops are probably a chronic problem with him. He blocks well but so does EVERY receiver...WRs, TEs, RBs. He's not that much better as a blocker and can't be trusted to catch routine targets.
Bitternotsour
December 19, 2024 at 09:52 pm
The passing game got better as the quarterback's health improved. That's all.
LambeauPlain
December 20, 2024 at 09:57 am
Yes, far more that just a coincidence. Love loves the Christmas Season.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 03:02 am
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Romeo Doubs has the 12th highest drop percentage in the NFL through week 14 in 2024, with a total drop percentage of 10.3%.
That's across all targets, not just WR's.
The Packers lead the league in total drop percentage, too.
Besides Doubs, we have both Wicks (13.8%) and Reed (12.3%) who are both in the Top Ten worst drop percentages in the league across all targets at well.
Wicks is tied for 1st place, Reed comes in at 7th.
Let me state, Doubs has the potential, and has demonstrated the ability, to make AMAZING catches with intense focus in big moments, but he came out of college with a rep for drops, and while he's worked hard at correcting those issues, particularly the last few games he was healthy.. he's not out of the woods yet. He was dropping balls constantly in the first few games of 2024.
Wicks, of course, has been dreadful, and it's no surprise he leads the league. He gets his hands right and he's a superstar waiting to happen. Hopefully that comes to be.
Reed's numbers suprised me. I had no feel for the fact he's dropped so many in 2024.
Overall, I was shocked we lead the entire league in drop percentage as a team, and was floored that we had 3 in the top 12 worst offenders on our roster.. And they're key players.
GregC
December 20, 2024 at 06:38 am
Reed's drops may be less memorable because most of them do not occur far downfield. I remember him dropping a deep ball early in the season, though.
I would like to see the numbers since the bye week because I'm pretty sure there have not been as many drops since then.
LambeauPlain
December 20, 2024 at 10:03 am
Just like I told both my daughters after unexpected grade challenges during their first semesters in college after being A students in HS: It is not how you start, it is how you finish...both graduated with honors.
Love is playing at a very high level (again!) during the stretch run to the playoffs. The team is as healthy as it has been all season. Guys are practicing again. I do believe drops increase when a receiver does not practice on the field with their QB.
My greater concern is for more consistency from the D...last Sunday was hopeful. The O is humming. STs are competent. If the D keeps improving, look out!
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 04:04 pm
Greg, I tend to agree. It did seem more prevalent earlier in the season, and it seems like they've moved past it for the most part.
That being said, even with any mid-season turn around in drops.. It's still surprising and alarming that we must have had so many that we're still leading the league in week 14, and that 3 of our top 4 WRs are all so high up the drops list.
LLCHESTY
December 20, 2024 at 07:25 am
Doubs' catch% is the highest in his three years and his Yds/Tgt is two yards higher than his two previous years. He's had his drops but he's heading in the right direction in most metrics.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 04:12 pm
As I said, he's worked hard to improve his hands, and I'm thrilled he's improving. I like Doubs quite a bit, his potential as a possession WR is there.. but regardless of the improvement, there's still only 11 players in the NFL who have a higher drop % than he does in 2024, and two of them are his team mates.
It must continue to improve.
I don't want anyone to get the impression I'm bashing our guys. I'm a huge fan of all three of the guys I'm mentioning- however, I'm trying to live in reality here. The Packers WR corps has a drops problem, as talented as they are, and we need to be very cautious about crowning this young corps quite yet.
I think it's fair to say leading the league in Team Drop percentage is not acceptable. I think it's fair to say as individual WRs, being in the top 15 in drop percentage is not acceptable. Having 3 of our guys that high in the leaderboards for drop percentage, not acceptable.
It's easy to gloss it over with all of the ooh-aahh plays these guys make, but drops kill drives, and dead drives lose games. We just need to be aware of it and see continued improvement... because the drops at this level are exceptional and not acceptable.
13TimeChamps
December 20, 2024 at 04:31 pm
"Having 3 of our guys that high in the leaderboards for drop percentage, not acceptable."
At some point, one has to wonder how much coaching, or a lack thereof, plays a part. This problem doesn't seem to be unique to just this year.
Bitternotsour
December 20, 2024 at 10:03 am
it would be better if they didn't drop balls, but the offense is humming. keep lining them up, they'll catch more than they drop.
Coldworld
December 20, 2024 at 03:27 pm
Drop percentage is influenced by the style of offense called and the role within it. A lot of Reed’s drops were long balls while Watson was out. Those are lowers percentage throws to start off with. We don’t do a lot of the easy, high completion percentage throws in our offense, or haven’t been. I don’t know why.
Leatherhead
December 20, 2024 at 04:05 pm
Oh, Oh!! I know I know (imagine student raising hand excitedly).
Because this is the LaFleur Offense. This is his QB, who he has helped develop. This is his offensive line that protects him very well. We have a running game that demands respect (Much like LaFleur had in Tennessee with Henry).
And teams have to respect that. This is not 3 yards and a cloud of turf; it can turn into a big chunk real quickly.
Then, we attack the secondary with 3 WRs and go for chunk plays. We're not a possession passing team, we're a team that throws downfield and every completion is a big play. If you're only going to throw 20-25 passes a game, then why waste those opportunities? Run the play action and take your shot.
As Love matures, he'll (hopefully) develop into a QB that you want to throw 40 passes a game with. But for 2024, it's get the ball to Jacobs. 296 touches in 14 games. Add in the 113 touches by his backups and it's 407 touches out of a total of 887 snaps and that's the load that Jacobs & Co. carry.
So, to answer the question of why we don't throw more short passes is because we'd rather throw it deep off of play action, because that's what we're best suited to.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 04:34 pm
For what it's worth, I'll be perfectly content if we never feel the need to throw the ball 40 times a game.. regardless if the QB has the ability to do so.
I'm a big believer in balance and for years I have been on the record as wanting to get off the "the entire offense runs through the QB" carousel.
I think Love has every bit of talent to be a pass-first, high-flying aerial attack QB (we've already seen proof), but I'm all about run-pass ratio being tilted much closer to neutral.
I also believe we should still aim to utilize the short-to-medium passing game, even while we attempt to pick our spots with the over-the-top play off of play action. If we continue to prove we're just as happy taking the underneath routes and moving the chains methodically- even when the defense bites on PA- those deep shots will become even more open for the downs where we feel we really want to take the big chunk.
Balance in all things. I'm here for it.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 04:23 pm
Respectfully, Coldworld, this assessment is incorrect.
Drops are not incomplete passes. Drops are drops. I should say, yes; drops are incompletions, but they are not one in the same.
If the ball hits you in the hands, and it is not caught, it's a drop.
A deep ball that hits you in the hands is no more difficult to catch than a short pass that hits you in the hands. One could even argue that shorter passes may be more likely to be dropped due to the fact short crossers and the like are often frozen ropes thrown at high velocity and into tight coverage/traffic.
Incompletions are a different beast.. Deep rainbow passes down field are more likely to be incomplete due to difficulty in accurate ball placement (overthrow, underthrow, WR not being "on the spot") and ball tracking (losing the ball in the lights, not getting head around in time, etc.). You expect deep passes to have a lower completion percentage due to the factors that get the ball where it is supposed to be when it is supposed to be there, due to WRs not being aware of the ball's location.
Drops occur when the QB has delivered the ball to a catchable location and the WR has located the ball and got his hands in position to make the catch. At that point, the factors that affect if it is a catch or a drop do not include where on the field the WR is attempting to make the catch.
stockholder
December 20, 2024 at 12:10 pm
So oppy -you found the data
That supports my opinion.
Reality hurts -huh
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 04:27 pm
What opinion are you talking about?
You'll have to show me where I challenged anything you've said about these WRs having too many drops.
I questioned why you used to claim that Davante Adams' yards all being "after the catch" was proof he wasn't a very good WR.. but now you hold lack of YAC over Doubs' head.
Don't try to twist it. You're such an intellectually dishonest worm sometimes.
Leatherhead
December 20, 2024 at 12:59 pm
Doubs drops his fair share, so do Wicks and Reed.
But he's also made some catches that have me jumping out of my chair in disbelief. And I know Reed is a huge threat with the ball in his hands, so all I can do is hope he improves. Davante Adams had a reputation for drops early in his career, well-deserved, and eventually overcame that, as have others. MVS drops didn't seem to stop him from getting a Super Bowl ring.
I think you should line up Wicks next to a wall and drive golf balls at him, because if he can catch a golf ball, he can catch a football.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 04:42 pm
Somewhere recently, I saw an assessment of Wicks' film and they were highlighting some of his hand placements on attempted catches- might have been here at CHTV or elsewhere, I don't recall.
At any rate.. some very, VERY questionable technique. It doesn't seem to be just a concentration issue with Wicks.. a lot of poor hand placement. In one example, he was diving/stretching for a ball, and he had both of his hands facing palms DOWN, trying to catch the ball from the top side.. ouch. Not a great bit of film. Get it worked out, he's got elite route running and separation skills. He could be a gem, but he's a project.
Re: Davante Adams' drops: The sophomore year drops issues that Adams was having- I can't say they weren't focus issues, because they were- but those focus issues were rooted in the fact that he was playing with and fighting through painful injuries that entire season. I spent a lot of time trying to remind Packers fans that he was fighting through injury that season and it was affecting his play, but so many (including Mr. Stockholder) continued to blast the young man as a bust. Oh, I forgot, Stock also claimed Davante couldn't catch the ball with his right hand... and then that Adams yards didn't prove he was productive because they were all "yards after the catch" and that somehow proved he was still a bust. Good times.
WestCoastPackerBacker
December 20, 2024 at 04:06 pm
I love to be the bearer of good news but of the supposed stud WRs drafted in 2022, Romeo Doubs has far outplayed his draft position and was a great draft value by Gutey. Scores by the '22 group of wideouts in order they were drafted (not including everyone):
Drake London 13
Garrett Wilson 13
Chris Olave 10
Jameson Williams 8
Jahan Dotson 11
Treylon Burks 1
Christian Watson 14
Romeo Doubs 15
So Doubs has more scores than all the first rounders and Watson is right behind him. Pretty good for a 2nd and 4th rounder. They also both regularly move the chains to get 1st downs.
I don't know why you'd be stunned by the drops; we've seen it on the field and they still are the youngest team in the league. But they are doing a lot of stuff really well, and winning a lot of games. Jordan Love's stats would look even better had the drops not been such an issue for several of the players.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 03:04 am
Almost forgot, link to data.
You just need to put the w w w dot infront of the following, you know how that goes.
pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/receiving_advanced.htm
Bitternotsour
December 20, 2024 at 09:38 am
puts Jordan Love's numbers in another universe really
stockholder
December 19, 2024 at 07:29 pm
More data is required. (YAC)
But IMO - Doubs plays scared.
The "concentration" is what I see too..
I'm not sure thats enough with him.
Grandfathered
December 19, 2024 at 07:43 pm
You see Doubs with good concentration skills, or declining concentration skills?
stockholder
December 19, 2024 at 08:21 pm
He has good concentration skills.
I see the practice, practice, practice.
He isn't a 1000 yd WR yet.
And thats why I pointed to the YAC.
YAC is everything in NFL.
I should have added the word "too" .
(Per edit )
ricky
December 20, 2024 at 12:13 am
Each WR on the Packers has a different role. And depending on the situation, any of them could see the ball coming their way. Doubs has increased his average pass reception yards each year. Need a first down? Look for Doubs. He and Love are developing a nice chemistry. But, unlike Adams and Rodgers, he is not the target of almost every pass.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 03:26 am
You literally used to claim that Davante Adams wasn't a good wide receiver because "all of his yards are after the catch." I'll never let you off the hook on this, because it was such a ridiculous attempt to prop up your horrendous assessment of Adams' talent.
Besides being absolutely a ridiculous argument to begin with, it illustrates how you just randomly use random tidbits (like the importance of YAC) to either strengthen your arguments or attack someone else's position, taking whatever approach suits best.
..more YAC (as opposed to deep ball yardage, I guess?) was a sign that Adams wasn't really any good; but here you are claiming that Yards after the catch is "everything" in the NFL because you apparently use the lack of YAC to be somewhat critical of Romeo Doubs.. Okay, man.. whatever.
For the record, I absolutely agree that creating YAC is an area of potential improvement for Doubs, but there's some caveats there. We need to know why the YAC is limited. If it's because Doubs is a red zone target more often than not and there's literally no field in front of him to generate much YAC, his lack of YAC is less of an area of concern. If it's because Doubs is making critical catches under extremely tight coverage to move the sticks, or he's getting hit on a large number of out routes- I'm less concerned. If it's because he's hauling in off-target passes that would normally be incompletions and therefore he's not in position to run after the catch- lack of YAC isn't his issue.
Mostly, I'm just curious if the importance of YAC (or lack thereof) is just a tool you wield however it suits you to best prop up your conclusions, or if you've learned something over the last 10 years and now understand that creating yards after the catch is actually an important WR skill?
LLCHESTY
December 20, 2024 at 07:32 am
Stay on him Oppy! I'm guessing he said those things about Doubs because a certain GM drafted. He plays scared but has good concentration? The duality of man eh?
dobber
December 20, 2024 at 10:17 am
It's a catch-and-run league and has been for awhile.
We might be starting to see shifts in that mindset as defenses are getting better at defending those short routes and flat passes.
stockholder
December 20, 2024 at 11:08 am
1. BS Oppy - Adams dropped the ball.
Not because of his YAC,
*His improved route running got separation.*
HE earned everything after the Boos.
Not to mention a coach getting on his ass.
2. Tidbits. - IMO.!!! So only yours matters.
There are NO arguments. It's an opinion
on what is in the article.
3. I suggested what makes a WR good.
Doubs is not the stuff legends are made. IMO.
If you think he is. Thats your opinion.
But like Adams. There is hope.
4. If you don't know why YAC is important.
Then you'll never get the game changer.
Only a over-paid WR.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 02:22 pm
Not letting you slide on this one bit.
YOU are the one who more than once claimed Davante Adam's production wasn't impressive because it was "mostly yards after the catch."
He's not catching deep balls and all of his yardage was YAC, which proves he wasn't that good of a reciever. That's what YOU said, repeatedly. I tried to explain that the ability to create YAC is what separates great WRs from average WRs, and you argued with me about it and continued to discount Adams' production because it was "all YAC."
PERIOD. End of story.
Don't try to change your narrative and put that on me.
You either flip-flop your position on things like the importance of YAC as is convenient to defend your questionable takes, or maybe I taught you something that you weren't willing to admit you learned back then.
You are notorious for re-writing history on your takes. It's fine to be opinionated, you should just OWN it instead of always trying to wriggle and change the narrative instead of just owning you might have been incorrect.
It's not that hard.
stockholder
December 20, 2024 at 02:40 pm
Your memory is foggy.
No need to carry on..
dobber
December 20, 2024 at 02:46 pm
No...his memory is spot on.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 04:51 pm
Stock, we disagree often, but I've always stood by you as being a true Packers fan. I think you're often a misguided fan, and I think you often find a scapegoat who you find a way to make sure all roads of blame lead to that person's feet..
I think you often make passionate statements and stake a claim.. and then try to weasel your way out of your prior statements and change your narrative instead of simply admitting you may have been mistaken..
But this statement.. No, sir. You are a bald-faced liar.
LIAR.
jannesbjornson
December 20, 2024 at 05:59 am
He's a possession guy. Find the first down marker and move the chains. He makes tough catches. If you want Ja'Marr Chase, you have to lose a lot of games and get in the top five spots, on draft day.
stockholder
December 20, 2024 at 11:33 am
Tough catches-
Never doubted that.
Doubs spends time on concentration.
And thats what shows.
Adams wasn't a top 5 spot.
He improved.
Jordy Nelson improved.
Donald Driver improved.
Randall Cobb improved.
You pay the game changer.
Like I stated. More info please.
WestCoastPackerBacker
December 20, 2024 at 04:12 pm
Doubs has 15 scores in his 3 seasons, more than any wideout taken in the '22 draft. I'd say he's a game changer. Just look at his catches for TD against SEA.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 02:25 pm
I agree, that's why I've got the "caveats" to his limited YAC.
For what it's worth, however, While doubs does make some amazing contested catches, he does still have far too many drops (12th highest drop % in the league across all players). I mentioned the drops issue the Packers have in another post early this morning.
stockholder
December 20, 2024 at 02:50 pm
The Guardian cap?
Footsteps?
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 04:55 pm
Majority of his drops were before his concussion?
Is he having premonitions? Hearing footsteps weeks before his injury?
What are you even talking about?
Oh, plus.. You're a liar.
stockholder
December 21, 2024 at 06:58 am
Oh - I'm a Liar? BS.
Adams dropped passes.
If any opinion was made to YAC.
It was because he dropped passes!
And more than likely from you or others.
Your timeline and exaggerations
are nonsense.
Oppy
December 21, 2024 at 06:17 pm
I will not suffer your LIES.
Minniman
December 20, 2024 at 02:22 am
Did you even see that TD where he caught the ball and dragged 2 defenders over the line for a score.......
Or the second TD catch where he buries his head in the turf to make the catch........ if he doesn't commit like that, he has NO chance of hauling that catch in.
I could go back further in the year and also pick out examples of the poundings he's taken on crossing routes........
stockholder
December 20, 2024 at 11:13 am
Great play- but he also drops some in traffic.
And is #12 in the NFL on oppys list above
I suggest he plays scared.
And it's been stated; Reed has better hands
WestCoastPackerBacker
December 20, 2024 at 04:13 pm
Doubs scores a lot of touchdowns. He's been great at finding the endzone. You want that guy on your team.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 04:56 pm
Reed has a higher drop percentage than doubs in 2024.
So, you can state whatever you want, but the facts don't align with your statement.
porupack
December 20, 2024 at 01:02 am
Glad for Doubs. I hope he continues to light it up with a chip on his shoulder. Now if he can just fix Stockholder's concentration issues....
LLCHESTY
December 20, 2024 at 07:13 am
Do you believe in miracles? Nah
rstain99
December 23, 2024 at 07:38 am
Think of the great players that wore #87
Willie Davis
Robert Brooks
Jordy Nelson
And now Romeo Doubs all tremendous players in Green Bay. This guy what draft pick certainly came out of nowhere. Fits this offense perfectly, most dependable receiver along with Kraft just great football players. JA with all that talent could learn a lot from these guys. show up and play. Let your play on the field do the talking. I know Doubs went off the rails last month all forgiven.
Minniman
December 20, 2024 at 02:02 am
"When it comes to interviews, Doubs is the anti-Aaron Rodgers, who would ramble on endlessly with elaborate, sprawling responses to simple inquiries. "
Pick your poison Ken.
I personally find him a refreshing change from the " all mouth, no brakes" sound-grab cohort.
As an aside - Speaking of "all mouth, no brakes", It was interesting listening to the Shannon Sharp and Ocho podcast last week where Ocho was talking about his time in NE. He didn't like being traded there as he was essentially anonymous or just a cog in a well-oiled machine (with Gronk, Edelmann and Welker). He couldn't get his head around the fact that he was part of something bigger..... and he hated being a "role player".
Going even further off topic - It will also be interesting watching this NO game - with MVS the lead receiver for NO. Not that he was a braggard during his time in GB. He chased the $$$ and got his supporting cast SB ring
Coming back to your theme Ken - I like seeing a QB spreading the ball around to whomever is open. Cumulatively they are part of something bigger than themselves, and I like seeing players thrive and prosper (in different weeks) who understand this. Don't be so keen to chide those with humility Ken, it's a refreshing commodity in this league......... final rant, I loved hearing his #87 compadre Jordy Nelson speaking of his last GB contract renewal "money should never be celebrated or the primary focus"........ that's not an exact quote, but it's close (I couldn't find the original)
Romeo Doubs is Packer through and through.
LLCHESTY
December 20, 2024 at 07:38 am
"He chased the $$$ and got his supporting cast SB ring"
He's had his ups and downs since leaving GB but he was vital part of their playoff success the 1st ring he got with KC. They don't beat Cincinnati without him.
Minniman
December 20, 2024 at 12:20 pm
being fair, I wholeheartedly agree with you that in the first year at KC he was an important cog in that run (although ironically, he wasn't targeted at all in the SB game of that year). In his second year, his critical play drops became too common and a liability (hence he was cut and replaced with more sure-handed catchers).
I also don't blame him for chasing the money (especially with a SB contender) - 3 years\$30M to KC is a great score (cheekily - better than he's ever put up on a football field!). Fortunately for GB, Gute priced him as the 500 yards\season 60% catch consistency player that he always was (and his body of work proves).
13TimeChamps
December 20, 2024 at 04:22 pm
MVS never came close to a 60% catch rate. He has a career 50% rate. And that's with 3 (Rodgers, Mahomes, Allen) HOF QB's. There's a reason why he's on his 4th NFL team in 7 years. There was no way GB was going to pay him $10mil/year.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 05:02 pm
I have often wondered if it would have helped MVS if he wasn't purely utilized as a take-the-top off, deep threat target.
I understand WHY that's tempting, his height-weight-speed ratios were fantastic. He certainly looks the part and has the wheels and length.
However, some players just struggle locating the ball over their shoulder or have issues hauling it in while looking backwards and running forwards.
For what it's worth, Rodgers threw an awful lot of really poor passes to MVS as well. That being said, he got a lot of much better balls thrown from Mahomes, and he still had issues.
I have always wondered how he would have done if perhaps somebody had tried to utilize him from the slot on crosser, etc, where he could more easily locate the ball and perhaps use his length and speed as a mismatch vs. linebackers in zone coverage. Might have helped increase his completion rates.
GregC
December 20, 2024 at 08:12 am
I didn't have a problem with MVS leaving Green Bay. I don't think the Packers made a competitive offer.
Minniman
December 20, 2024 at 12:27 pm
Me neither, it worked out best for all parties in the end.
GB bit the bullet and lucked in with across the board upgrades at WR (for all but Davantae Adams).
MVS got paid like as star and has 2 SB rings....... and one of them he didn't actually even have to catch a ball in........... KC really were desperate to table him 3yrs\$30M.......... by the end of the second year even the Chiefs fans would jeer his drops.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 05:06 pm
I agree. It didn't help that Rodgers had basically iced out both MVS and ESB, either.
They weren't performing and the QB didn't want to throw to them as much, so it just made sense to part ways.
LambeauPlain
December 20, 2024 at 10:15 am
"It is painful to watch him do a locker room interview."
Really, Ken? Doubs thoughtful, deliberate, intelligent answers to questions cause you pain?
Still waters run deep. Doubs takes his time, actually thinks about answers before specifically answering the question asked.
I personally enjoy listening to his interviews because his answers are substantive and to the point. Not the usual "taking it one day at a time...giving 120%...getting better every day" boilerplate answers.
He's very humble...part of the reason Love loves the guy. Jordan is humble too. Both just want to play at a high level and win games.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 22, 2024 at 12:09 pm
Can't say enough good things about Rome! Character matters because it's an intangible indicator of what you can expect the person to do; Rome is someone you simply want on your team because he's going to do the work. Consistently.
Romeo, Romeo. o wherefore art thou, Romeo? Usually open! I'd like to see stats about who gets open at a higher rate, #87 or 11. Stats on drops are very misleading, lots goes into it that just doesn't translate into data meaningfully. #11 has a smaller catch radius, even in relative terms compared to his reach. I'm not sure how many fingertip completions #9 has made, but 11 isn't likely to come up with a completion if it's at his wrists, maybe even middle of his forearms is iffy. I also hate to see him used as a runner, although he has proven to be anything but fragile. Still, #8 and 85 are better suited to that impact.
Get the ball in 11's hands and good things happen. Never seen him carry 2 defenders across the line for a TD like 87 did in Seattle though - WOW
GPG!!
Tundraboy
December 20, 2024 at 01:11 pm
Silent Assassin is what I like to call him. I love that he is not the usual blowhard. All I know is that whenever they really, and I mean really need a play, first down or score. He delivers. Doing it quietly in my mind has more effect when you are playing. Shows you've been there before! And on a personal note he is who he is, and that should never be an issue if he does his job.
SicSemperTyrannis
December 22, 2024 at 12:10 pm
He'll get an opportunity to change important games. This post-season.
WestCoastPackerBacker
December 20, 2024 at 04:17 pm
I gotta say I do miss interviews with the following:
James Jones
Tramon Williams
Randall Cobb
Jordy Nelson
Charles Woodson
All those guys were smart and thoughtful and funny at times. Great interviews. Great players. Great memories.
Oppy
December 20, 2024 at 05:10 pm
Tramon Williams might be my all-time favorite Packers personality.
I took a shine to Williams immediately when he arrived in green bay.
Humble, genuine, funny, easy going, wide-eyed and sometimes starstruck to just have an opportunity to play with the greats of the time, I enjoyed every interview and training camp interaction.. and watching him develop into a focused leader / veteran and an amazing cover corner was awesome.
BubbaOne
December 21, 2024 at 11:54 am
There's a rumor Doubs actually smiled once...it's yet to be verified. The rumor of him laughing was easily shot down.