The Lass Word: Quarterbacks Nearing NBA-like Power

And fans will suffer for it.

As a teenager growing up in suburban Milwaukee in 1968, I was ecstatic when the city was awarded an NBA expansion franchise.  I was a huge fan of those early expansion players like Jon McGlocklin, Wayne Embry and Len Chappell.  I was super excited when the Bucks won the coin toss for the right to draft Lew Alcindor, and I was over the moon when Milwaukee won the NBA championship in 1971. 

 

It all came crashing down in 1974.  By then, Alcindor had changed his name to Kareem Abdul Jabbar and pronounced that he was “culturally starved” in Milwaukee and wanted to be traded.  The rest is history.  The Bucks traded Jabbar to the bright lights of Los Angeles, and in the 46 seasons since, the Bucks have never returned to the finals, much less won a championship. 

 

It was then that I stopped caring about the NBA, and I’ve never gone back.  I have always thought of it as merely a handful of superstars who serve as the gods of the league.  These deities get together and decide who will compete for championships and who won’t, based on which breathless teams they deign to play for.  They determine whether to fire the coach and hand pick which free agents to pursue.   

 

There’s no fun in that for a fan.  You have difficulty enjoying any success your team may have for fear that the superstars will become unhappy or bored and decide to move on, after which your team immediately descends into mediocrity. 

 

That’s why football is my favorite sport.  You need eleven players on offense, eleven on defense, and a cast of special teams standouts.  Too many players for any one of them to become so important that he feels he can control the team.  At least, that’s the way it always had been.  But the times, they are a-changin'.   

 

Quarterbacks are becoming the NBA-like power brokers of the NFL.  The top signal callers in the game are approaching the point where they can demand who they want to play for, who their coach will be, who their general manager will be, and which free agents need to be pursued.   Look at Tom Brady in Tampa Bay.  He is virtually dictating personnel moves to the team, and must be consulted in advance before any important decision. 

 

Before his legal problems, Desean Watson reportedly was unhappy about his lack of involvement in the selection of a new coach and GM in Houston and didn’t want to play for the Texans anymore.   In Seattle, quarterback Russell Wilson made public that he is not pleased with the team’s personnel and scheme, and his agent even took the extra step of leaking four specific teams Wilson would prefer.  

 

And now it’s Aaron Rodgers’ turn.   The future Hall of Famer is paid an average of $33.5 million per year.  He plays for a fan base that adores him.  He is the star of TV commercials, TV game shows and sitcoms.  He dates movie stars and is engaged to one.  The NFL has declared him it’s most valuable player, the most prestigious recognition in the league.  Life is good, right? 

 

Yet, if reports are to be believed (and that’s open to question seeing as Rodgers is not talking), he feels disrespected.  The Packers have failed to make him feel important enough.  He is offended because the team has made personnel decisions without consulting him.  He is upset that the coach has made game decisions he did not agree with.  There were reports he wanted more money and longer guarantees and that the Packers offered him both, but now it’s too late.  They didn’t offer it quickly enough.  There was even a reported leak that Rodgers specified he wants to play for the 49ers, Raiders or Broncos.  He likely played an important role in getting his previous coach, Mike McCarthy, fired. 

 

Certainly, quarterbacks being the most important players on a football team is not new.  But the power today’s signal calling superstars can exert is a relatively recent development.  Bart Starr did not dictate personnel decisions to Vince Lombardi.  I don’t recall Terry Bradshaw, Dan Marino, John Elway or Joe Montana threatening to quit if their coach and/or general manager wasn’t fired.  The pendulum began to swing sharply in favor of the players by the turn of the millenium.  In 2008 Brett Favre went public with his disdain for Ted Thompson to the point where Thompson told him “You’re going to get me fired.”  Favre didn’t get Thompson fired, but did force a trade to the Jets.  One year later Favre manipulated his free agency to enable himself to play for the Vikings.   Modern day media hype has elevated today’s stars to idol worship status, capable of holding their teams hostage to their demands. 

 

The trend isn’t ending any time soon.  The most important revenue stream for today’s NFL is TV money.  The networks are paying those big bucks for the ability to attract viewers, and they attract those viewers by hyping individuals, not teams.  When NFL Network recently ran a promo for their coverage of the schedule release, they hyped the Green Bay vs Kansas City game as “Rodgers vs Mahomes”, not Packers versus Chiefs.    

 

No doubt these players have seen the authority that King Brady has established in Tampa, and they want the same.  So be it.  Hey, if you’ve got the pull, might as well use it.  But as usual, the fans pay the consequences.  Every time a player wins a power struggle, the fans lose.  The thought of Rodgers packing up and leaving Green Bay dredges up many of the same emotions I felt when Kareem bailed on Milwaukee. 

 

Unlike the NBA, I’ll never stop caring about the Packers.  But if the trend toward quarterbacks achieving super power continues, it won’t be as much fun. 

 

 

 

   

 

     

 

 

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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ricky's picture

May 13, 2021 at 03:21 pm

Brady went to Tampa Bay, made some "strong suggestions" as to who he'd like to have join the team, and asked that the offense be tailored to his specific talents. The result was a SB win. This is a "loss for fans"? Of Chiefs fans, definitely. And Packers fans, who saw their hopes crushed in Lambeau yet again. But right now, Brady is the only QB that has that power. Having seven SB rings and ten SB appearances does give you a bit of leverage. Rodgers and Wilson can both agitate as much as they want, but right now, both are stuck with their respective teams. And unless they're willing to put up a lot of money, or risk alienating the fan base of their current team, they're going to be on that team for the "beautiful mystery" of the immediate future.

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CoachDino's picture

May 14, 2021 at 12:42 pm

Ya, I'm with you. I see the trend in malcontent QBs but don't see the actual actions like the NBA.

Brady didn't happen that way and the team was already formed, just needed a QB.
Russell - Sorry no trade
DeShaun - Sorry No Trade
Arod - If the Packers are good negotiators, Sorry no Trade.

There's a few reasons why its much less likely to happen in the NFL, more players for one so less impact (yes QB does have the most in the NFL - but its nothing like the NBA)
The way contracts are written (guaranteed money)
Collective Bargaining Agreement - I was surprised to hear the rules about holding out - automatic- irreversible 50K/day fines
Return of prorated Bonus (goes to the guarantee contract difference).
How the cap works
Yes a QB can make a big difference in a teams outcome but it drops off a great deal after that. In the NBA if you can get two or 3 guys to agree to go/stay/combination you can create an odds on favorite
Odds of winning. It is MUCH easier for a favorite to win it all in the NBA than the NFL, not even close.

So ya, I like the article as a discussion of the topic but IMO the conclusion, at this time, is way off.

Who was the last QB, less draft QB issues (Elway, manning) that was able to FORCE a trade? Did Cutler? ANy Superstar ones that come to mind?

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Minniman's picture

May 14, 2021 at 02:41 pm

Respectfully, Brady was a bit-part player in that SB win.

Sure, they had to score points to win and he lobbied for who he wanted on his side of the ball (and Ariens was smart enough to not stifle this).

However, make no mistakes, Todd Bowles’ defense won the NFCCG and SB. Neither Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes could conjure out of that one…. and both with high powered offenses (……. But weakened O-lines?????!)

Finally, right or wrong, the current QB diva situation is an issue of the leagues making. Why would a person who is an increasingly legally protected species by rules on the field, not think the same off the field?

……. That’s why 40 year old QB’s are becoming the norm, and with 30-odd years in the game they really are now a uniformed offensive co-ordinator…… and act accordingly. Like it or not, that’s the state of play.

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packerbackerjim's picture

May 13, 2021 at 03:26 pm

Life is a living hell, Ken.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 13, 2021 at 03:31 pm

Brady is an outlier, because he’s won so many big games. Other players may think they’re special, but they aren’t.

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Coldworld's picture

May 13, 2021 at 05:20 pm

He was also a free agent. He could negotiate and they could decide whether to give him what he asked for. Somewhat different scenario. As has been pointed out, a somewhat unique case and a different contractual situation.

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Swisch's picture

May 13, 2021 at 07:05 pm

It seems Brady wins a Super Bowl every other year; other than that, there aren't any quarterbacks playing today who have won more than one.
So why would any team cave in or kowtow to any of these other current quarterbacks even on practical grounds -- much less at the cost of compromising the dignity of the front office, the coaches, and all the other players?
I wouldn't do it for Brady, either; or in the NBA, Lebron.
"Grovel to me guys in terms of salary and decisions, and I'll get you a championship."
Um, no, I'll pass.

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2021 at 07:36 pm

Tell that to Mahomes, Prescott, Watson and Wilson, all of who are paid even more than Aaron Rodgers. Thanks, Since '61

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Swisch's picture

May 13, 2021 at 08:53 pm

Those four guys have only two Super Bowls between them.
If the Dallas Cowboys jumped off a bridge, should we do it, too?

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Fabio's picture

May 13, 2021 at 03:52 pm

"Look at Tom Brady in Tampa Bay. He's practically dictating the moves of the staff to the team and must be consulted in advance before any major decision is made."
How to say a team that wants to win an SB compared to one that wants to go back to the 70s ... but we have a great management .....

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Coldworld's picture

May 13, 2021 at 05:27 pm

The fastest way to the 70s is to blow your cap and give personnel control to a player. Brady enticed a few pieces certainly, but the of the reason that they won was already in place. Brady was a FA and the winningest QB in history. The team could choose his package without duress and he didn’t get (or ask for) a guarantee that hamstrung their cap.

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Swisch's picture

May 13, 2021 at 09:07 pm

Good points, Coldworld.
I wonder if Brady did as much in determining the personnel for the Bucs as people may think.
He gets Gronk out of retirement, which seems a good idea for at least a try, but then what?
Bryant was injured for the playoffs. I don't know what Brady did as far as getting Fournette, and if that made a big difference. What else do we know?
As perspective, the Packers may listen to Rodgers and take his suggestions into serious consideration. If it makes sense to management, they would do it; if not, then they wouldn't.
I think that's fair. Rodgers has earned a voice as an advisor, but should not be making the decisions. It's not that Rodgers isn't truly important, but he has to be humble enough to accept his role.
There are a lot of other people to consider when it comes to the Packers, even the fans to some extent. We do pay the way, and it's lonely in an empty stadium.

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Fabio's picture

May 14, 2021 at 02:56 am

Well said Swisch. Clearly Rodgers must not be the GM (no one ever said that) but he had to be clearly asked about the intentions and needs of the team which never happened !!!
And if someone is enough to have reached only one SB out of Rodgers' fifteen-year career then ..... Ps. Mahomes already has two SB appearances ..... ah but KC don't have GMs as capable as we do !!! (Ps I don't think Mahomes earns less than Rodgers .....)

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Since'61's picture

May 14, 2021 at 08:38 am

Mahomes is up to $45 million is his current contract. Thanks, Since '61

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CoachDino's picture

May 14, 2021 at 01:07 pm

Fabs - Please do some research on the 1 SB in 16 years statement with an inference it has to do with the GMs and how much the team cares about winning.

Top 10 Myths- a couple that one could list where they like in the top 10
GB doesn't care about SB only selling tickets.
That argument makes ZERO sense. Why?
1) There is a cap limit and a cap min. So each team MUST spend close to the cap limit
2) The Packers have sold out every game in forever and have a 50 year season ticket waiting list. Just like they did during the 70s and 80s. Now I may be wrong as was there a few games that almost weren't televised due to the stadium not being close to sold out? So long ago.
3) They don't have an owner, all money is assumed to stay within the Org, no payouts for the owners)
4) etc..

Bad GMs and lack of FA ruined chances for multiple SBs
1) Both Ted and Gute to date, statistically have been top tier performers as GMs (Statistically - How good the Players were - not just win/loss)
2) Brett was probably the biggest reason he didn't win more, and some injuries he had to deal with
3) Arod has not been good in Big Playoff games overall. He's had some good ones, some bad ones and plenty of man he is usually much better type games
4) Arod Injuries
5) Bad luck - Onside Kick, FREEZING COLD (more Brett), Injury (Bahk)

Just because you hear it doesn't make it true, do some research. Or don't, probably more of my own issue that it still irks me to see that type of propaganda repeated...

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Fabio's picture

May 15, 2021 at 07:52 am

Dino disregards me that you do not think like me but that does not matter I will never be angry with those who think differently from me. For me they are just simple sports discussions LOL the important things in life are other. In fact I will drive you! I'm always happy to talk to those who don't think like me because we always have to learn from those who think differently !!
However I like what you wrote I think that in many things you may be right, but there are others where I do not feel in line with you.
For example, I believe that TT was a good GM with some unique points of excellence (see AR). I also believe that too many times all GMs have looked more to tomorrow than today (they are choices, many may be okay with others like me think that in some circumstances we could have done more to win SB)
I conclude by telling you that you have listed a series of points for me and ask me to read up on what I am saying. Well I think there is no better argument than this: Green Bay in the last 15 years only had a top 5 defense once and it just so happened that it won the SB.
For the rest, I greet you amicably, hoping to be able to discuss with you again

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jimtalkbox's picture

May 13, 2021 at 04:05 pm

This article highlights what I worry about as well, where the NFL might get to a point where there's 3-4 "dream teams" and then just a bunch of "also rans" year in and year out. Heck, that's College Football too. That would be WAY less interesting and fun.

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Coldworld's picture

May 13, 2021 at 05:21 pm

It ought to be, because if it’s a pick your market world, Green Bay is likely to suffer.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 14, 2021 at 03:55 pm

It depends on your definition of a Market. This small burg has a world wide fan base. It is unique and definitive.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 13, 2021 at 04:28 pm

I have the same concerns as you. And I went through the same broken-heartedness over the Bucks losing Alcindor/Jabbar. But heck, do they win that Title without Oscar Robertson? That was a mini-dream team. I continued to follow them through the Nelson era of the 70s and 80s because Marques Johnson, Sidney Moncrief and Junior Bridgeman were just fun to watch. I was ompletely done with the NBA when Shaq left Orlando for L.A and $120M. Still done. Would hate, hate, hate to see the NFL turn out that way. But the NFL has the salary cap, which will limit QBs ability to require certain free agents sign with their squad (unless they want to forgo salary to do so). I was also broken-hearted by the ridiculous Favre saga, and his petty ways. Whether TT forced it or not, he freaking retired and then flew in on the verge of training camp. I don't know what to think about Rodgers. I can't imagine him making those perfect and yes, impossible throws wearing some other jersey. But I hate, hate that he is holding the franchise hostage right now.

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Minniman's picture

May 14, 2021 at 02:49 pm

To your point - if Rodman wasn’t, well, Rodman, then the Bulls may have lost of few of the tight ones that they eked out.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 13, 2021 at 06:14 pm

Absolutely agree with this article's premise. It seems that Rodger's 1% ownership in the Bucks - entitles him to 100% of the decision-making in the Packers. Really, for his zeppelin-sized ego, Rodgers more naturally fits in with the NBA's culture. It's really important for the Packers to not succumb to Rodger's agenda - erstwhile these 'attempted hijackings' will become more and more prevalent. I believe that Rodgers has already crossed the line with his antics - so come June - trade (Rodgers) - and let a new era begin for the team and its' fans. Let another team (and fans) deal with his histrionics. I just want to see real Packers football.

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Demon's picture

May 13, 2021 at 10:01 pm

Is real packers football that you seek include watching a team with the best QB on the roster Blake Bortles? If it is i think ill pass!

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2021 at 10:42 pm

It will be a trip down memory lane back to the 70s.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 14, 2021 at 10:26 am

Real Packers football embodies the players who do not put themselves above the team or community - who honor their contracts - who do not complain, whine or disrupt. It is Aaron Jones - who chose to return to Green Bay - at significantly less money - because he wanted to. And if Blake Bortles is the team's starting QB this year - so be it. I will still cheer for him and Aaron Jones and A.J. Dillon and Alan Lazard and Amari Rodgers and Eric Stokes and ... Because, for me, real Packers football is not about a fair weather team and fair weather fans.

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skyler's picture

May 14, 2021 at 10:16 am

Bring back the 70's and 80's. When Rodgers leave, enjoy. Love is a pipe dream at this point.

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jont's picture

May 13, 2021 at 04:53 pm

Good piece.
The NFL has been trending toward NBAism for a while even without the divafication of some star players.
IMHO, Park Ave has fully embraced the NFL as an entertianment product and competes for an audience on those terms while forgetting what makes football different-- the complexity within chaos, the strategy & thought within a test of power & speed. It's lots of colors and fast edits and bad music without any longer term story. Do you remember how NFL Films made everything into an "epic contest"? Well, much of that was over the top, but they knew what they had and why people watched.
Now they fill the gap with 'sports personalities', Kardashians with helmets.

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CheesyTex's picture

May 13, 2021 at 05:40 pm

And a good piece by you, jont.

The pro game was wonderful for me to watch as a kid -- my then local heroes, the Browns, won the four years of the AAFL's existence before joining the NFL. You went to the game to watch, well, a football game. But now it's harder and harder to watch games on TV as the $ people seek to expand audience and ratings with all the other crap.

But my wife still keeps her Packers season tickets that she first bought in the 50's with baby-sitter $, and we'll always have the memories. Packers Backers forever.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 14, 2021 at 03:31 pm

Ah, so did you propose before you knew she had Packers season tickets of after you knew?

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Leatherhead's picture

May 13, 2021 at 04:58 pm

I don’t understand why the premier franchise in sports has to beg a multimillionaire to honor his contract and lead the team.

I’d rather go 0-17 than put up with this.

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wsn's picture

May 13, 2021 at 05:33 pm

I liked the post. Made me think if the most valuable sports franchises. Forbes has cowboys, Yankees, Knicks, , Lakers, gsw, Madrid, Patriots. Seems that most of these teams have had their share of diva issues. The new normal I guess. According to Forbes, pack comes in at 27th.

I'd still rather that we go 20-0, but it would be nice to see the players just show up to play and our kids have role models based on work ethic and community instead of power negotiation.

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2021 at 07:43 pm

It's always been about the $$$ and the negotiations. The difference now is that the money is huge and the players, especially the QBs know that they are the draw for the fans. They're not bigger than their teams, they are the team, especially from a revenue point of view. Expect this situation to get worse and more dramatic over the years.

The NFL and their media want this and now they've got it. Thanks, Since '61

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 13, 2021 at 09:06 pm

Leatherhead.....at times like this I am convinced you must be my brother from another mother!

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Swisch's picture

May 14, 2021 at 11:35 am

It's like in the movie "Hoosiers" when the coach goes with four players on the court because the only other one available is doing his own thing in disobedience.
Although the pros aren't exactly the same as high school in that you're dealing with men, it's not altogether different, either. Coaches coach. Players play.
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To paraphrase the movie:
"But coach, you have to have five out there."
"My team is on the floor."
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Like Coach Dale in "Hoosiers," my team is the guys who want to play hard and listen to the coach -- even if that sets things back awhile.
In the long run, it's the only way to build a winner.
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In the big game at the end of the movie, for the last play, the coach does listen to his players, but it was based on a spontaneous group reaction by them. The coach actually changes the play. There is some room for give and take.
With a player of the stature of Aaron Rodgers, it seems he should have a say in some situations. However, the coach has to trust in the player to listen to him, before the coach will consider listening to the player. It's a matter of them having different roles that must be recognized.
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It's the way it has to be for a healthy team.
In the key moment of the Ice Bowl, Bart Starr suggested a quarterback sneak due to the hazardous footing of the frozen field.
In the immense pressure of the situation at the climax of the Packers dynasty, and amidst the adversity of the painfully frigid conditions, Lombardi said something like, "Do it, and let's get the hell out of here."
That was Lombardi trusting in Starr after nine season of Starr being willing to defer to Lombardi. That was Lombardi trusting that Starr was working with the coach, not trying to go around him or above him. That was mutual respect earned by both men.
That's the stuff of titles, and legends.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 13, 2021 at 10:43 pm

I prefer “Coach Carter”.

“You just cut our leading scorer!”

“We’ll, I guess we’ll have a new leading scorer this year.”

My first year coaching, I was paired up with a real hardass named Coach Morales. We had a real bad group, and he was utterly relentless in telling malcontents to “pack your shit and leave”. We started the season with 44 kids and finished with 14. He frequently said he’d rather lose with good kids than win with turds, and he convinced me.

Coaches should coach, players should play, officials should officiate. People should stay in their lane.

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Since'61's picture

May 14, 2021 at 08:45 am

LH, I would add a footnote. Officials should officiate competently. The games are getting harder and harder to watch with flags flying on almost every other play. Thanks, Since '61

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Leatherhead's picture

May 14, 2021 at 12:54 pm

Competency is always desirable, but players and coaches make mistakes all the time, so you have to expect officials are gonna make mistakes, too. Don’t put yourself in a spot where the ref can steal a game, like the Fail Mary inSeattle.

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marpag1's picture

May 13, 2021 at 05:06 pm

I've always loved sports. I've NEVER loved - or even very much liked - athletes.

I've totally given up on the NBA. College hoops is awesome and the NBA sucks. I have to imagine that part of the reason is that college superstars leave college after 2 or 3 years. More and more, that seems like a good thing. it helps to keep the focus on the game, not the prima donna player.

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Qoojo's picture

May 13, 2021 at 05:24 pm

I wouldn't worry about it too much until you hear it said in public. It's offseason so the media really churns on this crap. Then Denver is trying to unofficially tamper by getting the rumors out there.

Rodgers is under contract. He can hold out or retire. It sounds like they were even renegotiating his current contract, so this might even be a ploy to get more money. About the worst thing he can do is retire then un-retire and screw the salary cap.

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Coldworld's picture

May 13, 2021 at 05:29 pm

I worry that they will cave and we will end up in the outer wilderness with dead money for half a decade.

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CheesyTex's picture

May 13, 2021 at 05:53 pm

Right on. This isn't just about now. The Packers will be playing every year for the foreseeable future and #12 will not.

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greengold's picture

May 13, 2021 at 08:03 pm

Me too. Nothing personal to Aaron Rodgers, but if he refuses to play for us, trade his ass immediately.

As I’ve mentioned, please forgive me too numerous the times, I think it already happened.

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egbertsouse's picture

May 13, 2021 at 05:46 pm

It’s the way things are in 2021. I suggest that acceptance of reality is the way to go. Andrew Brandt had it right, NFL is entertainment and in the entertainment industry you have to deal with temperamental stars. If you don’t like it, get out.

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CheesyTex's picture

May 13, 2021 at 06:00 pm

I don't like it, but you are right.

I gave up on the NBA, and if the #12 saga is more of the same, I'm done with the NFL -- after 75 years.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 13, 2021 at 06:20 pm

Andrew Brandt should be running the Packer Organization. He is in tune with the business of Sports. It would be beneficial for the front office to be remodeled.

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Coldworld's picture

May 14, 2021 at 08:23 am

Wasn’t Brandt a cap guru more than anything? I’m not so sure that I’d want him as GM, as Murphy? Still not convinced.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 14, 2021 at 11:05 am

He is trained in Sports Management and Law from Tulane.

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blacke00's picture

May 14, 2021 at 07:23 am

To this point the NFL has realized that they compete against "other forms of entertainment" , not necessarily owner(city) vs owner. They as a group have created a very good business model. By allowing the NFL to become the NBA or MLB they doom their brand. And that's why the Packers won't "bend" to Rodger supposed "demand". The owner group will not allow it and Rodgers has to understand that (if he hasn't he is a truly has a narcissistic personality disorder).
He (AR) can demand all the trades he wants he will never get Gutekunst fired the owners will never allow it!

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stockholder's picture

May 13, 2021 at 06:01 pm

Rodgers demands don't bother me a bit. It takes two to start a war. It was started when Love was drafted. So just stop thinking this is the old days. Because it isn't. Free Agency and the Cap changed the game. Not Rodgers and Not Brady. The money is the first priority of any franchise. You think were going to pay to see a Loser. Think again. Nobody watches a loser. And they wouldn't want Rodgers back if they weren't greedy and knew it. Your Bombing Rodgers neighborhood. With such jealousy, and it's all about him. You just don't see how the NFL is using the star power for their own profit. If Rodgers wins, nothing will change. If he falls apart on the field, he should be replaced. He sees more then YOU! And he wants to win. WE haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 13, 2021 at 06:24 pm

A well placed e'pee'

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skyler's picture

May 14, 2021 at 10:11 am

Beautifully Put

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 14, 2021 at 03:48 pm

The rule changes have changed the game and enhanced the value of QBs, I think too much.

But teams still need roughly 15 (?) pretty good players with a couple of difference-makers on each side.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 14, 2021 at 04:05 pm

Less two back dive and drive plays in concordance with Concussion protocols and Liability. In addition, guys like Mouse Davis and LaVell Edwards proved a short, fast paced passing game could maneuver around a dinosaur ground and pound scheme from the opposition; put points on the board faster and let their faster DEs and OLBs attack the passer.

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wildbill's picture

May 13, 2021 at 06:09 pm

Was saddened when Starr retired but he was done as a player. Was upset about Favre leaving and how it went down. My point is that the Packers kept playing and I still love watching them even though my beloved Lombardi Packers haven’t played in decades. At one point Rodgers would be gone, for whatever reason, and we move on and enjoy the entertainment. However this saga plays out I’m not losing any sleep over it and will still enjoy every minute of Packer football going forward.

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mnbadger's picture

May 13, 2021 at 06:58 pm

right on wild Bill. FAS! GPG!

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2021 at 07:47 pm

That's the only way to look at it. Pay attention to what happens on the field. One way or another the money gets resolved. What happens on the field still matters, the rest is media driven window dressing during the offseason. Thanks, Since '61

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LeotisHarris's picture

May 13, 2021 at 06:18 pm

I'm not with you on this one, Ken. I can only imagine how a young black man who grew up in New York City, then went to college in Los Angeles felt in Milwaukee in the late 1960s/early 70s. I think Jabbar's explanation of why he left at the time, and since, has been quite kind to the city of Milwaukee and Wisconsin. Even in 2021 Milwaukee, if you don't have a BAC over the legal limit you're just not going to fit in. Anybody know what "Fest" is creating a reason to crawl around drunk this week(end) in Milwaukee?

Now, if you're getting crabby about these uppity NFL QBs trying to dictate teams they will and will not play for, you should probably go punch Eli Manning in the nose. Remember the 2004 NFL Draft? Eli was selected first overall by the San Diego Chargers even though he had made it known publicly he did not want to play in San Diego. Ingrate! Walking out on the great city of San Diego and all his future teammates! Diva!

Then there's that darn Curt Flood in baseball. Why can't players just stay with the teams that drafted them, be humble and take what they are given so we can cheer for them and be happy? Why, Ken? Is that too much to ask?

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2021 at 07:49 pm

Because as you know there will always be an owner who wants to buy a championship and will pay almost any price to fill their stadium and increase their revenue and profits. Thanks, Since '61

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LeotisHarris's picture

May 14, 2021 at 04:26 pm

'61, it's interesting to see how the R-word has been integrated. I've taken the Lambeau Stadium Tour five times. The last time, in 2019, the script used by the tour guides had changed. Over the years each tour guide gave essentially the same information, right down to the jokes and group participation questions. In 2019 there was a significant focus on all the Packers had done to create new revenue streams to be able to compete with "the big guys." The Titletown District, stadium tours, luxury suites, Hall of Fame. corporate partnerships etc. By the end of the tour the group was dutifully replying "revenue" when the tour guide would ask "..and what's that called?"

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 13, 2021 at 09:10 pm

Leotis....how do you forget Bruce Clark? Seriously!

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LeotisHarris's picture

May 14, 2021 at 04:15 pm

That bastage! We were all forced to sit and watch as the next Rich Moore headed for Canada.

My bad, Knock. The Bruce Clark defection scarred us all.

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Crankbait's picture

May 14, 2021 at 08:59 am

I believe John Elway holds the distinction of being the first diva quarterback. He and his father refused to Play for The Colts who originally drafted John. They actually made no bones about it… came straight out and said they didn't want to play for them !

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LeotisHarris's picture

May 14, 2021 at 04:17 pm

Truth. He threatened to warm up his pitching arm for the Yankees.

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nostradanus's picture

May 13, 2021 at 06:51 pm

and just like the NBA they will empower and socially justice themselves right into failing popularity and collapse at some point when fans have had enough...

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2021 at 07:51 pm

Except that 's it's been over 100 years of professional sports in the USA and the fans have not had enough yet. With legalized sports gambling it's not likely to stop anytime soon. Thanks, Since '61

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Crankbait's picture

May 14, 2021 at 08:57 am

Goodell has already alienated a significant size of the NFL's fan base with his social justice crap.

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LeotisHarris's picture

May 14, 2021 at 04:12 pm

Crankbait, this is a really good read. It might give you a better perspective on the "significant size of the NFL's fan base" you're referencing:

https://www.amazon.com/White-Fragility-People-About-Racism/dp/0807047414

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Since'61's picture

May 14, 2021 at 04:26 pm

Agree it's a very good read and very worthwhile. Numerous good points are made by the author. I would recommend it as well. Thanks, Since '61

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Crankbait's picture

May 16, 2021 at 07:47 am

Where is your mind at?
My comment has absolutely nothing to do with what you are trying to insinuate. Why has my post triggered the two of you like it has?
Explain?

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greengold's picture

May 16, 2021 at 09:40 am

When you string words together like your “social justice crap,” you have to own them. Would you say that to Donald Driver or Charles Woodson or Gilbert Brown’s face? Antonio Freeman’s? AJ Dillon’s?

What you pulled there in saying those words, then denying they carried any racial connotation is a typical characteristic of racists. You may be unaware of that, but you know what I’m telling you is true.

Words matter.

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Crankbait's picture

May 16, 2021 at 08:15 am

You are pulling the race card on my comment?

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greengold's picture

May 16, 2021 at 09:44 am

Absolutely. Sad to have to explain that.

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Crankbait's picture

May 16, 2021 at 03:56 pm

Sorry that your leftist indoctrination is complete. Good luck with that.

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joejetson's picture

May 13, 2021 at 06:53 pm

Put together a Herschel Walker like trade with Denver or Las Vegas. Fleece them for at least two years of 1st and 2nd round draft picks plus their top young WR, and build a 90's like Cowboy's dynasty. Las Vegas and Denver, even with Rodgers, will not sweep through the AFC West with KC and an improving SD team. So the draft choices acquired should be no lower than middle 1st Round. Then use the draft to build a great defense and let Love mature into a top tier QB. Titletown returns.

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2021 at 07:55 pm

Titletown made sense though the Lombardi era. Only 2 titles since 1967 (53 seasons) seems to mitigate the meaning of title town. Thanks, Since '61

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 14, 2021 at 11:33 am

I also include Division Titles where you play your rivals 2x every season, and NFCCG titles and appearances as it directly reflects success against teams you play the second most.

Titletown has had a good run since Holmgren/Wolf to current LaFluer/Gutekunst. May it continue.

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coolhand's picture

May 14, 2021 at 02:50 pm

By Titletown, Green Bay has the most NFL titles to date with 13. The Bears are second with 9. At their rate, they will never catch the Packers.

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Swisch's picture

May 13, 2021 at 07:24 pm

In fairness, and out of genuine appreciation and fanship for Aaron Rodgers, I'm open to hearing what he has to say -- but it would have to be truly compelling.
As far as I can tell, none of the possible reasons for his possible dissatisfaction are all that big of a deal, but seem rather trivial.
If it's a case of having to give in to diva tactics of self-absorbed manipulation, I'd prefer to go with Love.

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2021 at 08:06 pm

Rodgers wants to control his timeline for his exit from Green Bay. That's what this is about. It's not about money it's about Rodgers not wanting to be forced out while he believes that he can still play and more importantly while he can still win. After all he has done for the Packers in terms of revenue, increasing the number of fans, team image and excellent QB play maybe he deserves that much. Maybe he doesn't.

It depends on how much value you place on trying to win an SB over the next 2 seasons and how much the team believes that Rodgers can still get them there. If the SB doesn't matter and/or you don't think that Rodgers is still the guy move on. It's just business, nothing personal. This current Rodgers situation is just a microcosm of the enormous monster the NFL has created with it's all or nothing money grabs over the last few decades.

It's all good as long as the money keeps rolling in. Thanks, Since '61

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Oppy's picture

May 13, 2021 at 08:23 pm

I believe it's not one or two seasons; it's about the following decade or longer.

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2021 at 09:33 pm

Oppy that's too long. I've posted previously I would agree to 2 years with a an opt out for both sides in the 3rd year. That's as far as I go. It gives us to 2 seasons to win an SB Rodgers and the team Gute has built. After 2022 much of the current team will be gone regardless of what happens with Rodgers.

Packers can opt out after that or if Rodgers wants to still play he can opt out and go elsewhere. If Rodgers wants more than 3 years guaranteed either for salary or as starting QB that's a bridge too far at this point. This could all be irrelevant if he's part of a deal already.

If I did anything with Rodgers after 2022 I would basically go season by season and that's assuming that he maintains a high level of play. I don't blame Rodgers for trying to arrange to go out on his own terms. But it can't go on forever. At his age 2-3 years is the best anyone in the NFL should expect. Thanks, Since '61

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Oppy's picture

May 14, 2021 at 01:14 am

miscommunication; it's about not derailing a transition plan to the (hopeful) QB of the future.

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Since'61's picture

May 14, 2021 at 08:50 am

Fair enough. As I've posted previously. The FO needs to get this done and get it done right. Either renegotiate for the next 2-3 seasons, at the most, or make a trade with a good return for the Packers. One way or the other this situation should not be allowed to continue past June. Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

May 14, 2021 at 08:31 am

I think it’s pretty likely that’s not what Rodgers wants. He’s safe as houses this year if he is willing. He doesn’t just want next year too, he wants longer i believe, to give him control of his departure.

That’s the price he’s injecting into the equation. It’s why I think it is too high because he will be burdening us well past 2022. Let’s also remember that these guarantees wouldn’t go away if he gets injured and can’t play or can’t play well. If he retires or was cut we’d have to gut the team. A price too high and a ticket to the bottom for years.

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Since'61's picture

May 14, 2021 at 09:01 am

Agree Coldworld. This needs to be resolved before TC. Either renegotiate for the next 2-3 years, at the most, or make a trade (which may already be done) with a good return for the Packers.

If this gets to TC unresolved I'm concerned about splitting the locker room and I have never liked players holding out. For me, even though I (think??) understand what Rodgers is trying to do with his timeline, holding out is a bridge too far. It can become too disruptive to the team and the season.

Either guarantee the next 2 seasons and then go one season at a time from there or trade him now if he wants more than that. Rodgers is a great player, I'd prefer to see him stay for another year or 2 but guarantees beyond 40 in the NFL are just not realistic IMO. Thanks, Since '61

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 14, 2021 at 11:57 am

I agree...if this was about the next two years, done and done. He already has the ball for 2021. And if he follows up with another good year, he's under center in 2022, as well.

I fear what HE wants has potential to cripple the TEAM long term....think the Green Bay Bengals.

The man is a great QB, and I want him under center in 2021, but he is a walking grudge machine. And I also fear his deeply held grudges, over time, grow into resentments.

It may just be he is unable to forgive and instead focuses on payback. And when you bring those attributes to the negotiating table while asking for more $millions, power and control....the other side must be prepared to walk away from the table if WIN/WIN looks impossible.

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Swisch's picture

May 13, 2021 at 08:41 pm

It has to be somewhat about money if Rodgers is making an astounding $37 million this season for one-fifth of the total salary of the whole team.
Would Rodgers be willing to take $25 million/year for this season and the next two -- for a total of $75 million that would be virtually guaranteed as long as he played at least ten games each season?
It seems he gets an enormous amount of respect and admiration and appreciation all around him -- more than one-thousand regular people put together.
At a certain point, I ask myself what he could want from the Packers that is reasonable for the rest of us who care about the Packers.
It seems to me Rodgers has earned a voice in what goes on with the Packers, but only as an advisor who shouldn't be upset if he is overruled by his general manager or head coach.
I'm a big fan of Aaron Rodgers. I am rooting for him as a player and a person. However, I'm not going to give him his way if it goes much beyond that of any other player.

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2021 at 09:45 pm

Swisch see my reply to Oppy above. I've basically said that the most I would do is 2 years, maybe add a 3rd year with an opt out for both sides. After that year by year at the most. Rodgers is a great player but nothing lasts forever. Thanks, Since '61

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Fabio's picture

May 15, 2021 at 08:07 am

I would simply add that your 15-year-old Q (one of the greatest of all time) would have deserved to know the plans for when the organization wanted to switch to him instead of having to find out with a draft pick. This is called respect. If you then just pretend that one is a mere player, then know that simple players do what AR is doing now

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Coldworld's picture

May 14, 2021 at 08:13 am

If one doesn’t believe Rodgers has a real chance of winning a Super Bowl in the next two years, this argument shouldn’t exist. It’s that hope that fires those who would appease.

The price seems to be a massive contract that will hamstring our cap and tie us to him as long as he wants. There is no way that makes sense if looked at dispassionately in terms of what comes after Rodgers.

I understand those that will say it’s worth it for a real chance to win now. However, let’s be clear, the price of doing so is far more likely to lead to the wilderness and further and deeper in it than simply being without Rodgers under the current contract.

We all know Rodgers will at some point be a QB if the past. We don’t know when. We will have to face up to the battle to stay relevant. T
This refrain that the wilderness is inevitable without Rodgers is bizarre. It’s coming regardless. Are we better positioned walking unhindered or carrying a hundred pounds of cap weight out of the wilderness.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 14, 2021 at 12:02 pm

"....or carrying a hundred pounds of cap weight out of the wilderness?"

With no watering holes in sight.

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2021 at 07:33 pm

Sports are entertainment and have become a star driven product. People don't pay to watch OL's, DL's, coaches, sidelines etc. QBs, WRs, & CBs are the big draws in the NFL and they are paid for it. Edge rushers and RBs are next but relatively few are paid top dollars like QBs.

The league with their continuing rule changes which make the passing game and scoring easier and easier are part of the reason for this evolving situation. The media desperation for viewers and internet clicks are also part of this issue. QBs are interviewed more than any other position in the NFL. Since the '80s the media has portrayed the Qb position as the primary reason why teams win or lose games. It's a ridiculous concept but the public continues to be bombarded with it every NFL Sunday.

It will only get worse because it will be difficult to put the genie back in the bottle after all of this time. Owners give the QBs more and they want more. Even back in the day Unitas, Starr and Namath were the highest paid players in the league. Now with the league more about money and centered on the QB position the QBs want more and more of the revenue. Like a Hollywood star who gets the highest contract for the lead role in a movie. Whoever brings the revenue gets the biggest share.

Fantasy football and other legal gambling venues have also driven this QB driven phenomenon. Out of the 15 highest paid players in the NFL 13 of them are QBs. The top 11 are all QBs with Aaron Rodgers coming in at #5 on the list with Mahomes, Prescott, Watson and Wilson ahead of him 1-4. Owners are willing pay almost anything for a QB who can win the SB.

The best QBs are not bigger than their teams they are the team and that's where the NFL is at. As the league draws more fans through legal gambling and other diversified revenue sources the individual fan becomes smaller and smaller in an ever rising sea of money. Just look at the new TV deals. Thanks, Since '61

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skyler's picture

May 14, 2021 at 10:21 am

Like James Caan's character in Rollerball

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splitpea1's picture

May 13, 2021 at 08:04 pm

It's all really nothing new....Here in Baltimore, we had the John Elway situation 38 years ago. It would have been fun seeing him compete against Dan Marino and Jim Kelly twice a season--if the Colts had not moved the following year.

Long-term, it all probably worked out for the better, as the foundering Colts were replaced with a more competently-managed franchise many years later.

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Since'61's picture

May 13, 2021 at 08:10 pm

Exactly. It's all business. Regrettably Johnny Unitas who almost singlehandedly created the NFL as we have known it was a casualty of the Irsay's callousness. After all he did for the league and the fans at the time he died a poor and virtually forgotten man. One of the numerous miserable episodes provided to us by the NFL.
Thanks, Since '61

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Oppy's picture

May 13, 2021 at 08:32 pm

I truly believe if a team was dedicated to building an old-school power run offense that took occasional shots down field off play action, and balanced it out with a modern defense built to limit and shut down opposing aerial attacks, a team could do amazingly well in the modern era of football, and get itself off the diva QB train.

You'd be taking advantage of a league whose defenses are typically built to defend against QB driven, pass heavy offenses. You'd be cutting the reliance on your entire season resting on the health and talent of a single QB.

Just commit and go for it. Just because everyone says you need a QB to win in the NFL doesn't mean it's actually true. It's more a reflection of the self-fulfilling prophecy that the league has manifested.

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Swisch's picture

May 13, 2021 at 08:47 pm

Agreed, Oppy.
As applied to the Packers: Unless we get something from Rodgers that dramatically changes the perspective on the current situation, just commit to Love and go for it.
It should be a fun ride, and may even get us to the Super Bowl in a couple of years.

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BJP's picture

May 13, 2021 at 10:19 pm

You’re describing the ravens. Hasn’t worked yet.

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Coldworld's picture

May 14, 2021 at 08:38 am

The rule changes favoring passers and catchers make it difficult, but the pendulum always swings in the NFL, coaches will find a modern equivalent that punishes light, fast Ds. One could argue that’s a facet of the tree our own offensive system comes from.

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Coldworld's picture

May 14, 2021 at 08:38 am

The rule changes favoring passers and catchers make it difficult, but the pendulum always swings in the NFL, coaches will find a modern equivalent that punishes light, fast Ds. One could argue that’s a facet of the tree our own offensive system comes from.

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Oppy's picture

May 14, 2021 at 03:05 pm

BJP, that's a good counterpoint.

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LayingTheLawe's picture

May 13, 2021 at 10:08 pm

I don't watch college football because here in May, 3 of the 4 final teams are already set. Clemson, Alabama and Ohio State are in and about 4 other programs can fight for the 4th spot. Yawn.

As Packer fans can tell you having a franchise qb is no guarantee of anything in the NFL so I don't think it is as dire as this article portrays. John Elway and Eli Manning wouldn't play for the teams that had the number one pick so stars forcing things is nothing new. So far the NFL revenue sharing and salary cap system has allowed teams to rise and fall based on their own competence so hopefully this continues.

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BJP's picture

May 13, 2021 at 10:18 pm

Aaron Rodgers wanted to be a packer for life until Gutekunst pissed in his soup. Whine about Gute next time.

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Coldworld's picture

May 14, 2021 at 08:41 am

Do you really believe that? If you do, Rodgers really must be thin skinned. This is about him getting protection for the remainder of his career on his terms. The rest is merely positioning or cautionary if, like you, you believe it significant.

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coolhand's picture

May 14, 2021 at 03:02 pm

And he still can be by playing at a high level and being a LEADER not a WHINER. So what they drafted Love. If Rodgers is so great, what is he worried about? The Packers have been nothing but fair with him during his time with the team. He is the one making the demands, not the FO.

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Lphill's picture

May 14, 2021 at 12:07 am

I don’t get the comparison with the failing NBA , I don’t think there’s a salary cap there , the QB is the central character of a football team , the team should be built around him .

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Qoojo's picture

May 14, 2021 at 01:01 pm

I don't know if it has changed, but the NBA had a salary cap, but could exceed it with a dollar amount penalty. So if you were a rich team and owner, that was willing to pay the penalty, you could get around it. Then I seem to remember that the NBA had salary caps for players which could not be exceeded. It was an incentive for a player to stay in his current team, because the max would be higher for resigning with the current team.

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Starrbrite's picture

May 14, 2021 at 01:52 am

An outstanding article Ken...and many of my sentiments as well. I do believe Elway became bigger than life itself in Denver. He did not like Dan Reeves and wanted Mike Shanahan. He got his way—same thing happend when he was drafted; forced his way from the Colts to Denver.

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Crankbait's picture

May 14, 2021 at 09:05 am

Yes, John was the first diva QB of the NFL. I so loved it when he got destroyed by Montana and the Niners in the SuperBowl

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greengold's picture

May 14, 2021 at 09:42 am

2021 DRAFT NIGHT 1: “We don’t negotiate with terrorists.” - Corey Beinke

People can sugar coat this POS situation all they want, but it doesn’t change the fact that our Green Bay Packers have been compromised in their quest for winning another Lombardi Trophy by the reigning NFL MVP.

He wants out. GET HIM THE FUCK OUT.

Great article, Ken. Thank you for sharing that. As an 11 year old, I understood Jabbar wanting out, but it crushed me. All these years later, I don’t understand Rodgers wanting out, but it’s what he wants, I accept it, and this doesn’t crush me in the least, thanks to Brian Gutekunst. The guy was doing his job, and his starting QB took exception.

Aaron Rodgers is a great talent, but our team appears about as prepared as can be, in a very rare situation in NFL history. We can afford to sell high, or not at all. The Packers have the leverage. Thinking this can be repaired somehow to successfully achieve the goal ignores maxims of team play, leadership, winning and unity - not to mention fiscal responsibility.

While the Packers have leverage in trading AR, they have ZERO leverage in bringing him back to play for the team who drafted him in 2005. The cost of pursuing that end potentially has a greater disaster probability than success. Maybe a 99% chance that doesn’t end well, knowing he just doesn’t want to play for the Packers. With money not being a part of the equation, the Packers would be entering into dangerous territory. THERE IS NO SALVAGING THE SITUATION WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE PACKERS FURTHER.

The Packers are fortunate they’ve put themselves in a position to move forward into this unknown and remain successful. The Packers are not culpable in the least for doing what was prudent. They should be commended, as they literally are showing the rest of the NFL, this is how it is done. Of course, in this process, they will meet up with unknown bumps in the road. Nothing good is ever easy, and there is no real guide to successfully transitioning one QB legend to another, and to another. The successor is already on the team, and the league MVP doesn’t like it. Too fucking bad. This is football. Make the best trade you can, grab your helmet and let’s go.

GO PACK! GO!

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skyler's picture

May 14, 2021 at 10:43 am

Love never played in the NFL, but he is the next Mahomes. The successor is on the team just like Kiser and Hundley

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greengold's picture

May 14, 2021 at 03:13 pm

Let's talk about this in 6 months, skyler.

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Oppy's picture

May 14, 2021 at 03:13 pm

Why leave Boyle out of the mix?

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greengold's picture

May 14, 2021 at 03:34 pm

Well, now, isn't that interesting? How much did the Packers know about AR's intention to not return to GB before they let the Laser Show go???

Tim Boyle was signed by the Lions on March 17th.

Mark Murphy commented in the affirmative on AR on January 25th. He refused to comment on him when asked on March 31st.

Somewhere in there they may have been led to believe he was returning on a reworked deal. Surprising that talks probably fell through after Detroit signed the Laser Show?

Would you put that past AR??? Not me. That spiteful prick.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 14, 2021 at 04:24 pm

LOL. Boyle became an unrestricted free agent on March 17 when GB officially declined to tender him as an RFA. GB paid AR his roster bonus instead of using it to free up cap space on Friday, March 19. Had to know things weren't rosy by then, and it seems likely they didn't touch AR's deal to get under the cap in time for the new league year (which also started on March 17) due to obvious problems with AR.

So GB probably knew by March 17 that things were not good with AR (how much earlier is anyone's guess). They probably didn't want to pay Boyle $2.4M with $1.5M guaranteed. I like Boyle, which is out of fashion around these parts, so maaaybeee GB would have signed Boyle if they knew the extent of AR's displeasure.

[My blood pressure has largely returned to normal recently. Don't write it - LH!]

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greengold's picture

May 14, 2021 at 04:28 pm

Thank you very much TGR. I had no real idea what was going on there and just tried to piece it together with stuff I found doing a quick search.

Have a great weekend!

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Oppy's picture

May 15, 2021 at 04:07 am

I was just inquiring as to why the previous poster threw daggers at backup QBs Kizer and Hundley but doesn't mention Boyle, that's all.

Boyle being let to walk isn't a mystery to me. He's a project backup qb on a roster that needs snaps to go to Love, on a roster that needed to save a bunch of money to get under the cap.

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coolhand's picture

May 14, 2021 at 03:05 pm

I agree. If he wants out, trade him. Get an ILB or DT, WR and draft picks. We save a ton of money, make our defense elite, and with our weapons on offense can still be a contender.

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GregC's picture

May 14, 2021 at 07:48 am

Aaron Rodgers must have been very jealous watching Tom Brady win another championship by going to a historically bad team that had been accumulating high draft picks and could still afford to bring in some high-priced veterans. Maybe that's the new model for winning the Super Bowl, and Rodgers wants to get in on the action. It has the added appeal that in that situation the credit goes more to the QB than it does to the franchise. I don't like it. It felt cheap. But I'm sure the Tampa Bay fans are very happy with it. And Broncos or Raiders fans would be very happy with it too, if it all worked out with Rodgers. I will keep watching football no matter what happens, but I agree with Ken that it takes some of the fun out of it when these things happen.

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Crankbait's picture

May 14, 2021 at 09:16 am

Brady winning the Super Bowl had alot to do with the China virus and no fans in the stadiums... wasn't even a real season in my opinion. Nobody on this blog has enough guts to even talk about this issue.
Going forward, I think the Packers will be just fine without Aaron and actually I think some of the skill players on offense will be happy knowing that chances of them getting a share the pig skin will increase when they get open. Rogers was too demanding on many players and I think it caused them to play tight.
I say start Love and have fun watching our offense grow together as a team ......Who knows this may force management to genuinely focus on our defense more sincerely since they don't have a superstar quarterback to fall back on and bail them out.

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GregC's picture

May 14, 2021 at 02:05 pm

It looked like a real season to me, at least on the field. I'm not sure why you think Brady benefitted from having no fans in the stadiums, especially considering that the Bucs made their run in the playoffs, when some of the fans came back. I don't think it's a case of people not having enough guts to talk about the issue, because I honestly don't know what you're talking about.

I agree with you about starting Love, though. I would like to see what he can do.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 14, 2021 at 04:27 pm

Noise. GB had a home game so normally visiting teams have trouble and even have to go to a silent count. GB had most of the other benefits of a home game as far as I can tell.

How important is that? Some, but I can't quantify it.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 14, 2021 at 12:30 pm

Rodgers is only two years removed from a 6-9-1 season...AFTER he signed his 4 year extension keeping him in GB through 2023.

Matt LaFluer coached the team to 14-4 back to back seasons and helped earn an MVP for Rodgers.

I am certain the Packers are weighing the ability of LaFluer to help make Love successful vs Rodgers demands to change the signed contract he no longer honors. I also know Rodgers is too intelligent not to understand these dynamics as well.

He is holding a bluff hand, IMO.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 14, 2021 at 04:29 pm

This is really a pissing match to see which side was going to dishonor the spirit of the contract first. GB was pretty transparent in its desire to ditch the contract in 2022. MVP in 2021, a whole new ballgame.

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davekenya's picture

May 14, 2021 at 12:30 pm

Granted, it was a different era w/o the cap and free agency, but Broadway Joe sure meshed the QB diva mentality to both his team and community. A guy growing up near Pittsburgh with a steelworker dad and then off to (I would imagine more conservative) U of Alabama...ends up wearing panty hose and fur coats as a media darling in the toughest media market - New York. A quirky outlier, for me he was fun to watch and embrace when football had a very different look and feel.

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Crankbait's picture

May 16, 2021 at 07:34 am

I was 11 years old when Broadway Joe hit the scene and I remember it all so well to this day! All the Noxzema commercials on TV and yes I remember the pantyhose and the fur coats... I didn't know what the heck to think of that back then.... I hadn't reached puberty yet !

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coolhand's picture

May 14, 2021 at 02:14 pm

And it's not only TV money that is driving the individual superstar player status, it's the fantasy leagues which make people root for the individual over the team.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 14, 2021 at 04:31 pm

At least Pick 'em is about teams. Maybe CHTV will do that again in 2021.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 14, 2021 at 04:35 pm

So, don't give players 100% guaranteed contracts like the NBA.

As far as cap hell, if we're talking about giving out a Kirk Cousins 100% guaranteed deal to AR for multiple years, yeah that could be a problem. If we are talking about pumping up his dead money to $30M to $40M in 2022 and even 2023, that's not a big deal: might take a year or two to emerge from cap hell. Not a decade.

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flackcatcher's picture

May 15, 2021 at 01:47 am

Yes under the new TV contract you might be right. But that doesn't kick in for another 2 years. Meanwhile, the Packers have finished paying Rodgers under his contract. The bottom line is the Packers, like the rest of the league, is still recovering from the finical hit they took from Covid-19. The medium term revue outlooks might not be as rosy, as many players are getting the axe over their high value contracts. Rodgers could be the norm here, not the exception.

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greengold's picture

May 17, 2021 at 03:50 pm

For what it is worth, we still have a little more than 2 weeks before any kind of trade for AR can be finalized.

Just saw Dan Orlovsky told Rich Eisen today he thought DEN was the favorite, and the price could go as high as FOUR R1s plus a premium player and a backup QB.

Also saw a very strong case published this morning for the NYG to be involved for THREE R1s, an R3 plus QB Daniel Jones.

This will only get hotter. We'll see.

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leche's picture

May 17, 2021 at 04:16 pm

The man wants to win, of course he's going to take exception to the organization using resources that could help them win with him to potentially win without him later. Who wouldn't?

I get it, Gute's doing what he thinks is best for the team and he put his ass on the line with that fucking bold decision... (FWIW, I think he's a fucking idiot and he's welcome to go live and work in Chicago; especially if Love is a bust), but Rodgers is trying to do what he thinks is best for his own situation. The idea that he's supposed to be beholden to Gute's longer vision is nonsense.

Whatever happens out of this situation, it was 100% created by Packers and they'll have no one to blame but themselves if this doesn't work out the way they wanted.

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greengold's picture

May 18, 2021 at 06:14 am

Quick update.
SI just released another potential trade package for AR:
OLB Bradley Chubb
OT Dalton Risner
QB Drew Lock
2022, 2023, 2024 R1s plus 2022 R2

Interesting. They said 3 premiere players plus those picks. Make it Jerry Jeudy & Patrick Surtain II with Chubb and I’m in. Risner is good, but no to Lock.

Oh, yeah, and we are supposed to give up an R4 2022. Eh.
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Hey leche, I can see you’re mad about this. I was too. Not much the team can do when the player refuses to play for you.

You’re right. None of us knows if Jordan Love is the answer right now, and if he doesn’t work out, Gutey’s job is likely on the line. Murphy’s too. What are your options? You have to hope it works.

If Gutekunst pulls this off successfully, it could be one of the greatest trades ever in the history of sports.

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leche's picture

May 18, 2021 at 01:27 pm

Include a Surtain for Stokes swap and I'm fine with this. Lock is a better option to backup Love than Bortles is; we basically get 2 shots at young QBs instead of just one. And if neither of them are good enough we get a super high draft pick next year because this team will be bad without really good QB play.

The thing the team *could have done* is not create a reason for him to not want to play for you. But that ship has sailed, but as far as I can tell the team clearly created this situation out of nothing when it didn't have to.

You have to hope the move works, but you probably shouldn't put your eggs into a situation of hope when you're already really good. It's basically we had a bird in the hand and we opted for 2 in the bush instead. And I have no idea why we'd opt for more later when none of that is guaranteed and we already have a really good shot right now.

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