The Lass Word: Joe Barry Is Getting Too Much Blame

Hard to wake up the dead.

As I dialed up the replay of the Packers’ debacle against the Saints, I was determined to pile on to the criticism of new defensive coordinator Joe Barry.  I was certain his scheme and his calls were a pivotal factor in this embarrassing performance.  How could he be so badly out maneuvered and out coached by a team that had suffered massive personnel losses and didn’t even get to play the game on their home field? 

 

Then I watched the game. 

 

We all know that defensive line is not Green Bay’s strong suit, but even by those standards, it was stunning to see the way the Packers’ front seven was pushed backwards, sideways, and down to the ground in this game.  When the Saints ran the ball, you could see the entire line of scrimmage progress three or four yards down the field.  When a Green Bay defender got blocked, he stayed blocked.  There didn’t seem to be any ability to shed and find the ball.  The pass rushers, no matter who they were, just danced with the Saints O-linemen.  Blitzes never got home. 

 

On the rare occasions when a defender did get to the ball, all too often the tackle was missed.  A perfect example came in the first quarter when Kenny Clark broke through and had a clear shot on Jameis Winston, only to whiff on the tackle, allowing the New Orleans quarterback to tuck and run for a big gain.    

 

The edge rushers took turns losing contain on the outside.  I saw various plays where Rashan Gary, Preston Smith, Za’darius Smith and Chauncey Rivers all had edge responsibility and got washed inside.  Not to mention mental mistakes.  For example. Dean Lowry jumping offsides on fourth and goal at the three, moving the ball half the distance to the goal line and making the ensuing score much easier. 

 

Yes, the defensive backs looked lost at times and unsure of who to cover.  But with Winston unafraid of any pass rush and plenty of time to throw, it was not surprising that Saints receivers could run their full patterns and eventually lose their man and find wide open spaces.  On one occasion, Winston sat in the pocket for five full seconds without being threatened, finally throwing the ball away. 

 

As I rewatched all this transpire, I kept asking myself “is this really Joe Barry’s fault?”  It seems to me that it doesn’t really matter what formation you’ve called, what blitz you’ve ordered, what coverage you’ve designed, if your players are being pushed back, knocked down and run past.  Barry tried everybody, hoping to get some sort of spark.  He put in Jonathan Garvin, Henry Black, Rivers, TJ Slaton, everybody except the equipment managers.  Base, nickel, dime, zone, man press, it didn’t matter. The Saints just kept winning the physical battle.  I’m not sure what Barry and the other coaches could be expected to do about that. 

 

I suppose you could hold them accountable for the lethargy and lack of effort.  But how much more emotionally intense could Barry be?  He is already known for his high energy and screaming vocal coaching style.  It just didn’t translate to the players and I’m not sure that’s his fault.  This is pro football.  Players should be self-motivated.  There shouldn’t be a need for college pep talks and histrionics.  Where is all that great locker room leadership we heard about?   

 

You can bet the Detroit Lions coaches have seen the tape.  I expect them to come out trying to muscle and manhandle Green Bay’s front seven in the same way.  If they are successful, don’t expect Joe Barry to come up with some magical adjustment.  His players just need to put forth something resembling pro football effort. 

 

Rookie Respect 

Don’t blame the lopsided loss on Green Bay’s rookie starters on the offensive line.   Overall, center Josh Myers and right guard Royce Newman held up reasonably well.  Aaron Rodgers confirmed after the game that the pass protection was generally good, and he was right.  I saw just one play each where the first-year players got badly beaten.  In the first quarter, Tanok Kpassagnon blew by Myers and pressured Rodgers, forcing an incompletion on third down.  On the critical third quarter interception, Newman was smoked by Cam Jordan who had a clear shot at the quarterback.  Still, Rodgers got the pass away and had Davante Adams wide open, but threw the ball behind him where it was picked off.  As Rodgers accurately stated afterward, that was essentially the end of the game. 

 

Missing the Juice?

If the Lions try to pound the ball on Green Bay Monday night, one of the guys doing it will be a familiar face.  Former Packer Jamal Williams had a big debut for Detroit.  He led the team with 54 yards rushing, averaging six yards per carry, and a touchdown, and also caught eight passes for 56 yards.  Could it be his fired-up enthusiasm and contagious personality are greatly missed in the Green Bay locker room? 

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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Ryan3468's picture

September 16, 2021 at 03:08 pm

With Aaron Rogers returning to earth a human it’s been time more than ever to consistently run the ball. Going man on man hat on hat isn’t going to win games. Street ball isn’t going to win games. It’s utilizing the playbook, and putting in the work. Something Aaron Rogers hasn’t been doing this off-season. Run the ball, and play defense. Maybe we are that bad. Maybe we aren’t. I’ve wondered a long while if Green Bay lacks the versatile depth on the field to be good. As in can our edge rushers actually help to stop the run? Is our team able to block, and or tackle? It’s going to get really interesting really quickly.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 10:36 pm

When will the fans return to Earth, much less Galaxy 30-06? I have never seen such whining cracker reactionary response since the Nixon agonisties. The Defense is and has been soft serve since the demise of NIck Barnett and Bishop. Defense Win s Championships is the mantra from the way back machine and it still holds True. No need for any more excuses and contrition from the Fans. You were wrong and still are wrong. This shit show lays at the feet of 1265 Lombardi Avenue and no where else. Machinations from the Hillbilly Nation and the retro Harley crowd sitting in ICUs w/out the Vax.. Bring it on! Give King another 6M while a kid wonders if they can afford a school lunch.

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Turophile's picture

September 18, 2021 at 04:47 am

Three points, jannesbjornson.
The part that goes before "Defense wins Championships" is "Offense wins games". They (the offense) take just as much criticism, if not more.

You are blaming a building for the teams performance ? Oh well, makes about as much sense as the rest of your post.

What has 'Hillbilly Nation', old Harley riders, anti-vaccers and pay disparities got to do with last weeks game ? It all just sounds like random venting to me.

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:19 am

Don’t fit in to any of the categories that you decry in a so self-congratulatory way. All I can say is that your clearly apparent assumption of your inherent superiority over them is indistinguishable from those who would do so on grounds of race, sex or creed. Changing the labels doesn’t make the behavior palatable or the thought process (an ironic term) less disgraceful. It also undermines your point by illustrating the limits of your awareness.

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Thegravedigger's picture

September 18, 2021 at 08:24 pm

what the fuck are you babbling about.

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Rebecca's picture

September 19, 2021 at 10:56 am

Uh oh! Totally agree.

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Since'61's picture

September 17, 2021 at 09:56 am

Ryan3468 - I don't think that we can take anything out of the first few games of the season regardless of the results. The Packers are 28-9 since MLF became the HC. To me at least that record is an indication that the team can block and tackle. The issue is whether the team is good enough to succeed in the playoffs.

Against the Saints the team wasn't ready to play. When you have such a poor performance on both sides of the ball the team clearly wasn't prepared for a regular season game. A team can play well and still lose. But to lose the way the Packers lost to the Saints is just a lack of preparation resulting in a lack of effort on the field which there is no excuse for in a professional organization. someone on the team should been ready to play.

As you point out if the team continues to play as poorly as they did agains the Saints it's going to become very interesting very quickly. But the Packers are a better team than they showed against the Saints. Hopefully we will begin to the better team beginning with the Lions game. Thanks, Since '61

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Lphill's picture

September 16, 2021 at 03:28 pm

Heflin needs to be active for this game , he did great in pre season then inactive on game day , Why did Z Smith play having had back issues and limited practice time ?

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VinceL's picture

September 16, 2021 at 04:06 pm

Because they’re paying that dude a lot of $ and want production. Bad back? So what. Sucks to be a millionaire. Now get out there and get after the QB.

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Coldworld's picture

September 16, 2021 at 06:19 pm

As a situational rusher … which is why he wasn’t the one setting the edge as suggested here I suspect. He’s just not playing a quasi lineman. He should have had a forced interception, so he was at least somewhat effective.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

September 16, 2021 at 06:47 pm

Smith is the only one to actually get to the QB despite the poor call by the officials.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 10:27 pm

Move him in and move Lancaster AND Lowry out on the same Bus. Judas Priest Iscariot, how much more of this bullshit can a reasonable "person" endure? NOLA brought in backups and "the Ringo" in their defensive attack and reemed the Green Machine. No, let's not all hug and hum a verse praying for redemption. As Packer Fans , we are GUILTY of enabling this fraud.

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splitpea1's picture

September 16, 2021 at 03:32 pm

"Hard to wake up the dead."--An excellent subtitle!

Our supposedly most talented players on defense didn't make any impactful plays. We were all expecting big things from Gary, a rejuvenated P. Smith...yet nothing really of note. We shouldn't be stunned at all to see the Packers DL pushed around or other defenders unable to get off blocks because we've seen it all before.

A couple of vocal, fired-up leaders would really be helpful on the defensive side of the ball, but they have to be on the field, not the sideline.

Still too much cushion being given up by the secondary, though--only one pass defended recorded in the box score. You have to at least be in the vicinity to make a play.

Improvements in the defense were always going to be a long-term proposition. You don't transistion from a passive "bend but don't break" to a more aggressive style in one game, though admittedly this was a very poor start. You just hope it isn't going to take too long, because the season depends on it.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 10:30 pm

Think of this scenario: Marquez Sweat, Jonathon Abram and Thornhill on the D. No Brag, Just FACT. Look it up in the archieves, Mockery 2019.

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SanLobo's picture

September 19, 2021 at 08:38 am

According to PFF, Preston Smith had his best game in two years. Watching the game from the stands it seemed like he was ready to play that day.

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stockholder's picture

September 16, 2021 at 04:03 pm

Sorry, but I didn't see anything to Dream on. Lowrey needs to go.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 10:30 pm

As in two years ago.

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Turophile's picture

September 17, 2021 at 04:38 am

In his sixth season, surely you can spell Lowry's name right.........................and to single him out from the entire team ? I think you need to watch the game again, this was a screw-up that embraced most of the team and the coaches.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 17, 2021 at 12:11 pm

I don't have any trouble spelling Lowry's name or singling him out. He is getting paid and he stunk. And he stunk last year, as well. Keke was worse Sunday, but at least he is on a rookie deal and it is just one day. Lots of reasons a guy might have a bad game. Lowry is a known quantity, and it is bad.

I can't believe GB didn't ask him for a pay cut. He would have been easy to replace (and probably get an upgrade) for $3.3M.

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nostradanus's picture

September 16, 2021 at 03:53 pm

Barry’s defense at Detroit & Washington finished dead last or close to it all 4 years!
That is no accident, he sucks and MLF will be on the hot seat because of it.

Promising start for the rookie O linemen, Gutey does a good job with getting good OL talent.

Jamal will get his yards, he’s such a fun dude and I wish him well, just not against the Pack 🤩

ND

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ImaPayne's picture

September 16, 2021 at 09:25 pm

and we wanted him why? cheap date i guess

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 10:32 pm

Not a Soul on this Site wanted this second-class cheerleader.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 10:41 pm

Ted's Clone, or just a guy leaning on Hendrickson to save his ass---move him out. Sternberger or Mc Laurin? You make the Call.....

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tincada's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:36 am

Agree with your JB appraisal. But Gutey is a bust. How did Love do in those last 10 minutes? Oh yeah he completed a 3rd down conversion, LMAO. Gute & Murph need to go!

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barutanseijin's picture

September 17, 2021 at 04:55 pm

How did Love do? A hell of a lot better than Rodgers. He looked like an NFL QB. Rodgers looked like he retired.

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VinceL's picture

September 16, 2021 at 04:14 pm

Joe Barry better get his act together! The defense is already giving up an average of 38 points a game. He’s got 2 guys to work with and a bunch of other confused guys who haven’t done shit except for Amos. Why would anyone think this is going to be a top ten unit? Barry excites himself and no one else. If they only give up 37 points on Monday night it’ll be an improvement.

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canadapacker's picture

September 16, 2021 at 04:40 pm

Wrong - Totally wrong. Joe Barry was the problem - as was Lafleur. I dont know how not getting a team ready to play is not the fault of the coach. We all know that we were lucky to have Z dressed. But come on. And this tackling issue. This has been a GB issue for some time now. In watching the Raiders/Ravens game - they all made tackles on the outside one on one. Us NO. Murphy better find out what is going on in the training and practicing that other teams are doing because we have been brutal. And maybe it is not only talent - ie coverage, speed , turn of the hips etc etc that GB is measuring at pro days and the combine. How about a willingness to stick ones nose in it? How about ranking the willingness to tackle up higher because obviously we CANNOT teach that at OTA's and training camp. That is Joe Barry's responsibility to fire up the guys even if it takes all of them to chase a guy down. Not panicking yet - but we cant play that way against anybody again.

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wildbill's picture

September 16, 2021 at 04:54 pm

I guess tackling doesn’t show up on their RAS score

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PhantomII's picture

September 16, 2021 at 08:54 pm

Exactly. I read a Steelers interview on drafting defense. First thing checked....can he tackle. If it does not get checked, they don't get drafted. Amos is the only Packer that actually tackles really well and wait for it.....a signed FA. We should apply it to all positions. Can he catch the ball 70% of the time. Can he cover. Can he push the pocket. Does he hold the edge. Can he get separation. Gee, all of our problems just right there.

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Archie's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:13 am

I'm with you cp all the way. I'd give Barry through game #3 and if we have 3 defensive disasters I'd fire him and elevate somebody else. The guy can't give a coherent answer to a simple question in his press conferences for cripes sake. We need a teacher who wants to play an aggressive style - tight coverages and heat on the QB. Anybody who can't play that style, get rid of them. More soft coverages and a front 7 that gets rolled over is hardly what we want.

btw - sean payton made a monkey out of R Gary's play. The screened over his head and they locked him inside on outside runs. They can say what they want about Gary but he is no football player. He's big, strong and fast but no football player. Payton really exposed him.

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Guam's picture

September 17, 2021 at 11:42 am

Couldn't agree more canadapacker. Both the coaches and the players have responsibilities to get ready to play, but when the entire team is flat, that falls more on the coaches. And when the defense clearly struggles to communicate set up and coverages, that is on the coaches. The defense is Joe Barry's responsibility and he failed in the first game. We will see what Monday night brings.

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Gman1976's picture

September 16, 2021 at 04:45 pm

Barry could have replaced King, but didn't. He could have played Heflin, he didn't. He could have called for his players to come to the sidelines and lit a fire under them, he didn't. He could have thrown the kitchen sink at the Saints, he didn't. It seems to me with the talent we have, our coaches didn't coach the players to their talent. We will see this Sunday if last week was some anomaly or is it a foreboding of things to come.

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Lphill's picture

September 16, 2021 at 05:48 pm

Heflin was inactive and maybe Barry got to see how awful king is , hopefully we see Stokes and Heflin Monday night .

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 08:51 am

Barry played King in off coverage. If he needed to find out that doesn’t work, he doesn’t watch film and he doesn’t listen to LaFleur.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 17, 2021 at 12:14 pm

How did your comment get a downvote, CW?

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stockholder's picture

September 17, 2021 at 12:23 pm

Any talk of King may bring a down vote.

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Leatherhead's picture

September 16, 2021 at 05:09 pm

Unbelievable .

We score 3 points and say “Our defense has no talent” . That’s the problem. And if we’d replace Lowry and King it would make a difference, even though you lose 99% of the games where you score 3 points and have multiple turnovers.

Sheeesh.

We scored 3 points! We turned it over 3 times! Fix the offense and then tell me how the defense does. Ever since LaFleur came to town, the defense generally holds the opponents to UNDER their season averages unless multiple turnovers occur. In the 9 losses we’ve had, turnovers figured prominently in at least 7 of them.

Philly, Chargers, 49ers, 49ers, Bucs, Vikes, Colts, Bucs, Saints. Look it up and see for yourself.

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jont's picture

September 16, 2021 at 05:46 pm

A bit harsh but there's some truth in this. If the O converted a few third downs, field position and time of possession / number of plays all change. If the O didn't have 3 turn-overs, those change and perhaps they score a few points as well. All of these take some pressure off the D and get them some rest on the sidelines. Instead of 38, NO gets... 24?
Still no reason for praising GB's D-- plenty of improvements needed as people are noting-- but probably fewer calls for the DC's lynching.

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canadapacker's picture

September 16, 2021 at 05:59 pm

Yes but the turnovers were all in the second half. We somewhat stood a chance - had AR not thrown the pick at the start of the second half - TD and the game is 17-10. But the D really sucked in the first half and never really gave us a chance but getting a 3 and out.

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canadapacker's picture

September 16, 2021 at 05:57 pm

Did you watch the first half ? Did the offense get on the field ? 18 plays and Saints ate up most of the time? Yes the O was bad and didnt move the ball on the first set of downs - but the D didnt get off the field either time until 10 points were given up and ate up 11 minutes of the first quarter. Second quarter was not much better as defense was on the field for 11 minutes. And yes we ran 5 plays and then punted but the D never stopped them for 10 minutes?

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splitpea1's picture

September 16, 2021 at 06:24 pm

Agreed--the defense has to hold up its end of the bargain. The Saints dominated TOP with a 9-play FG drive, and then two (!) 15-play drives that ended in TDs. So no chance to maybe flip the field, and the reward for giving up scores is usually to start at the 25 following the kickoff.

To top it off, the offensive game plan goes out the window, AR is prone to getting impatient sometimes, and everything goes awry.

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Since'61's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:11 am

Can't say it any better. I've been posting that the defense needs to keep the team in the game when the offense is playing poorly because it's going to happen as was proven in the Saints game. The defense was literally pushed all over the field and Rodgers is watching another defensive fiasco and thinking "OK, I need to get the team back in the game and try to make a big play for a quick score and maybe the defense we pull themselves together and we can make a comeback."

Accepting the concept that this team cannot win if AR does not play well is totally ridiculous. Why have a defense at all if they are not going to get off the field until they give up a score. To me it is the reason why the Packers organization and the defense specifically has no sense of urgency. They just figure we have Rodgers and we're going to win games and reach the playoffs and then anything can happen. WRONG!!! Still need to have a defense that can make stops, get off the field and give the ball back to the guys you're solely depending on to win the game.

It's just gone on the same for far too long. Thanks, Since '61

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Archie's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:19 am

The D was pretty horrible.

AR was even worse.

The WRs did nothing good - maybe because AR was so bad.

And they hardly ever ran the ball when the NOR D was begging them to.

Most brain dead performance on opening day for a team talking Super Bowl I have ever seen. I am very nervous about MNF. I don't think you can flip a switch and turn that much bad into anything very good.

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Since'61's picture

September 17, 2021 at 04:35 pm

Archie I agree with your post. It was a totally brain dead performance. That is probably the best description I have read about the packers performance versus the Saints. Flipping the switch may take more than one game.
We'll see. Be well. Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:30 am

Here is the thing though. The D couldn’t get off the field, but if it was so bad the opponents get them off. When our O got the ball we were off in double quick time. We converted zero third downs with Rodgers in the field.

Our D was bad but it wasn’t till the second half interceptions that the game ceased to be close. I’m worried about Barry, but the fact is, blaming the D not the O for the first half just doesn’t stand up.

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Since'61's picture

September 17, 2021 at 04:37 pm

Your point is correct Coldworld. Neither side of the ball gave us much against the Saints. It was a failure at every level. Thanks, Since '61

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 05:32 pm

“It was a failure at every level.” That really should be it’s epitaph.

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Since'61's picture

September 17, 2021 at 09:17 pm

Agree! Thanks, Since '61

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ImaPayne's picture

September 16, 2021 at 09:11 pm

one problem with your assessment - rodgers aint scoring points ON OFFENCE, when the d is setting an nfl record, two long 15 play drives in row, 14 points. cant score when your not on the field.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 10:47 pm

What defense are you referring to? The scratch off card phenoms against rookie and second string QBs, or the let's arm tackle through a third and long and give the Game to the opponents. Once again, (i) fail to see the
silver lining in this seedy cloud.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

September 17, 2021 at 11:42 am

I don't even think you could win 99% of games scoring 3 points.

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Coldworld's picture

September 16, 2021 at 06:21 pm

Barry chose to start Lowry against Kamara and had King playing well off the receiver. That’s not anyone else’s fault but his.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 10:48 pm

Absolutely spot on.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 16, 2021 at 06:22 pm

LaFleur should get more blame than Barry. That said, Barry should get a lot of blame.

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Swisch's picture

September 16, 2021 at 06:39 pm

I'm wondering about Z. Smith, whether or not he is being a malcontent who is dragging down the team?
Is it true he only practiced two days during training camp, and maybe just one day in the week before the game against the Saints (maybe none)?
Was that all due to injury, or is it in large part Z. sending a message to the team that he's not happy?
Was there a controversy about Z. not being named a captain, or is that false?
Maybe Z. has been exemplary in doing all he can to get on the field and lead our defense.
If he hasn't, then Joe Barry has had a major hindrance in his new position as defensive coordinator.
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Another quick question: Who made the call to not play our starting defense in the preseason? If Barry wanted to play his guys but wasn't able to, then that also would be a major hindrance to his efforts as a coach.

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canadapacker's picture

September 16, 2021 at 07:02 pm

I wouldnt read a bunch into it - he's hurting - and more that his back - He would be playing and showing how valuable he is and that he still has it - and if not for GB then for another team looking for a quick guaranteed fix at the outside. Not practicing and playing is hurting on both sides. I have a bigger question who is teaching and practicing tackling - or are they too afraid of getting hurt in practice? Reminds me of Iverson - Practice? Practice? You are talking about Practice?

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packer132's picture

September 16, 2021 at 08:06 pm

I'm pretty sure Z was hurt all of training camp and still has back pain. He won't play much on Monday night according to LaFleur. He is not happy that he is not a captain, though it was the players that voted. I think LaFleur chose to not play starters in preseason to avoid injuries. That decision is not looking good to start the year. Smith wanted a contract extension but that did not happen. I doubt if he is with the Packers next year, especially with the back injuries. He is a big part of the defense, and the team can't afford to have him off the field. I see the Packers scoring points on Monday night, though Detroit putting up points too. Packers 34-24.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 16, 2021 at 10:51 pm

The one guy to make a Game Changing play and you revert to the Land of Q and start the incoherent conspiracy rag.

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porupack's picture

September 16, 2021 at 06:44 pm

Hell no, Ken. He gets full blame. You coach technique then practice. Guess those 1 hour 40 minute training camp practices-for-whimps didn't suffice. If you can't win with the likes of Alexander, the Smiths, Gary and Clark, the safeties plus the average good cast around them....then ya ain't a good coach. And when Sean Payton can take jags and unknowns and whip the #4 ish best team, ya can coach. Big difference. Very plain logic.

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jhtobias's picture

September 16, 2021 at 07:45 pm

The saints actually have great defensive personal .. Except for Clark these other guys on the defensive line would not be playing for the other 31 teams in the nfl .. Jaire Cant play d-line , Clark will always be double teamed or even tripled since the other dline can't win 1 on 1 battles .

What makes you think the packers have the number 4ish team ? I would never accuse Rodgers of tanking but if you think that mans heart is in Green Bay I laugh ..

This is what you get by forcing someone to play where they don't want to be most packer fans are very delusional

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barutanseijin's picture

September 16, 2021 at 09:10 pm

The only people who think Gary is anything at all are homer Packer fans. To anyone else he’s “Who?”

Kenny Clark is decent but overrated.

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 08:56 am

I’d like to see Clark at NT primarily. I firmly believe that that is his best spot and that playing him as we do is hindering his ability to impact games. In this case I see Barry as perpetuating previous mistakes despite having the option to do otherwise.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 16, 2021 at 07:03 pm

This game resulted in a total circle jerk of pointing the blame finger by fans apparently. I hope every player and coach pointed to the mirror and seen his part in the failure and vowed to not repeat it.

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ImaPayne's picture

September 16, 2021 at 09:30 pm

with the money they are getting i wonder how many dont care. win or lose they get paid.

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jhtobias's picture

September 16, 2021 at 07:41 pm

I think the problem is the expectations are way to high for this packers defensive unit ..

Honestly what other team in the nfl has guys like lowery or Lancaster playing meaningful and starter snaps ?

I'm sure Campbell and Barnes are average which is fine if you have a stout d-line but really let's be honest the packers don't have this

They packers had their shot last year didn't work out

Buddy Ryan in his prime couldn't make a defensive line work with lowrey and lancaster

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Leatherhead's picture

September 17, 2021 at 05:04 pm

What team has guys like Lowry andLancaster?

THE SAINTS are playing Montravious Adams and Christian Ringo. Remember them? They also have Montgomery. Is that why they’re so much more talented.

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Jaqu’eau's picture

September 16, 2021 at 08:05 pm

I agree that the players are ultimately responsible for their level of play. This is professional football. I am sure this will be corrected on both sides. However, this team has too much talent to lay a giant egg the way they did for 3+ quarters. Good coaches make the right in-game adjustments or find ways to get the players out of their own heads. This didn’t happen. One game doesn’t make a season or a coach’s legacy, but there have been enough games over the past few years to believe that Matt LaFleur is challenged when operating down a few scores. He would do well to task an assistant coach to implement a pre-determined plan (operation: back to basics) to counteract these tendencies.

My biggest criticism for Barry lies with the level of confusion demonstrated by the defense throughout the game. Players seemed out of position frequently or confused at their responsibilities. This happened pre-snap as well as during the play. There were more than a few times when the play clock was near zero and several players had their backs to the offense trying to communicate/clarify their assignments. The Saints if I recall were not doing crazy shifts or motion to warrant it. I believe this confusion, or perhaps, lack of confidence in the scheme, led to them to be out of position and a step or two behind. It will take time to be completely comfortable with a new defense, no doubt. However, the baseline is set a lot further back, honestly, than we all imagined it would be. This defense was supposed to be simpler. This rests squarely on Barry’s scorecard. We’ll see how this improves in the coming weeks, I am hoping it does.

It also seemed like the Saints were not especially worried about figuring out the defensive scheme from the start. It looked vanilla and passive to me, and maybe Payton saw that too and simply exploited it. Or, it could be a result of a lack of disrespect for Joe Barry as a DC on the part of the Saints. The latter, if true and shared by others in the league, might be a more interesting narrative to follow throughout the season.

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tincada's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:32 am

"the Saints were not especially worried about figuring out the defensive scheme from the start." There was a defensive scheme? Fooled me but not the Saints.

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ImaPayne's picture

September 16, 2021 at 09:40 pm

The bitch meter has been buzxing on this site. Pretty impressive.
My take is simpler. We have no play makers on d.
Point, the d cant play good because they arent good no matter who the coach is.
Smth bros arent young anymore. ilb's are no bodys who lack speed and agility. Never should have been drafted. Corners are crap.
You got nothing to turn around.
How can the d pkay good when they arent good.

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tincada's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:29 am

And who's fault would that be? Murph, Gute, MLF and JB! They all need to go beginning with Murph who it is obvious is not accountable to anyone.

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fastmoving's picture

September 17, 2021 at 01:43 am

the article is pretty good.
But the drama queens with here neandertal thinking is the real shame for the PACKERS. Just bitching and blaming about everything. No matter what. Sensless and dumb like always. Dont know how they make it through life. A orange bunch of professional loooosers..in every way.

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Coldworld's picture

September 17, 2021 at 09:02 am

Well, that’s a curious take. Professional teams have occasional games where they simply suck certainly. However there are a number of features in that performance that are repetitions of prior mistakes and misjudgments in my opinion. Is it smart to merely ignore them due to the fact that the team came out so lackadaisically? That would seem tantamount to saying let’s just give a universal pass because the performance was so poor. That seems counterintuitive to me.

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SwedeBayPacker's picture

September 17, 2021 at 02:17 am

Packers D: sucks
Joe Barry: I will PT you all until you fucking die! I'll PT you until your assholes are sucking buttermilk!

That's what I want to hear, because only a Drill Sergeant can whip this sorry unit into shape. Joe Barry can't whip anything into shape as his track record shows, especially not a unit of soft-skinned, tackle missing sissies that can't even play evenly with the Saints backups.

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jont's picture

September 17, 2021 at 08:18 am

My favorite movie, but I hope the reference is off target for this situation. The sargeant ended up getting shot by his own guy.

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Fabio's picture

September 17, 2021 at 02:44 am

I believe that with this defeat the light has finally been put on the real problem of the Packers of the last 10 years !!!!
AR (with all its problems !!) has always managed football almost always perfectly and our D almost always played fewer snaps than all the other teams and despite everything it was never decent !! This has strengthened in AR the idea of ​​being the savior of the team (how to blame him !!) and consequently many character distortions have been inculcated in his mind !!!!
I don't think Barry was the right choice (and MLF is responsible for this !!!), but I also believe that the talent at his disposal is really low !!!
We are always overestimating our players, especially the D players !! (a few days ago it was even said of how deep it was !!)
The only one who really can make a difference is Jaire !!! The others, including Clark (at least until now) are not at his level and are mostly sloppy (King no comment - thanks Gute !!). We talk a lot about AR gameplay issues with Cover 2 coverage (and it may be true), but the real problem is that the D of the elite teams manage to stop our running game with little staff and this allows them to apply this floor !!!
I believe that our expectations must go hand in hand with the value of our players.
Yes, last year we finished with the best attack, Q MVP, many pro Bowl ....., but the reality is that in the decisive games, where the value of the teams is generally equal, our D has ALWAYS failed by granting a average of over 31 points !!! and you cannot save yourself from this .....

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Since'61's picture

September 17, 2021 at 04:40 pm

Absolutely correct. Great post Fabio! Thanks, Since '61

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Fabio's picture

September 18, 2021 at 01:12 am

Thank you very much since '61

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blacke00's picture

September 17, 2021 at 07:26 am

The Thompson/Guteknust scouting department are very poor talent evaluators on defense. They have demonstrated this over and over. The team coaching staff and front office don't value the interior D Line and ILB positions. They are convinced they are right even if they have massive failures. They draft a couple of player (by dumb luck) that succeed and Gutey thinks he's good at what he does.

Joe Barry will fail for a couple of reasons. Number 1, he has no history of success as DC. Number 2, the Front office has are poor talent evaluators and number 3 the offense must functional at a very high level to compensate for the poor defense and it's unlikely it will function at the level of last year.

I would love to wrong.....so let's see what happens.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 17, 2021 at 08:49 pm

The pot calling the kettle black. They are allergic to acquiring bad-ass players.

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PatrickGB's picture

September 17, 2021 at 09:16 am

Let’s wait and see what the next game brings. And the next before we make projections for the season.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 18, 2021 at 02:15 am

My God.

Nobody on Packers team deserves to play at NFL. Well, except Arrogant Diva and maybe Davante Adams. David Bakhtiari is overvalued, the rest of the team are just JAGs. OK, except Jaire A. But he is just OK.

What is interesting to me is that players cut by Packers always excels while playing for other teams. Last example - Ringo. Casey, always injured is very important piece for Chargers, Hyde, to slow for NFL, very important piece of Bills D. Mike Pennel, stupid beef, has SB ring with Chiefs and played as starter last SB. Characteristics I used to described them was mainstream opinion on them through their tenure with GBP.

What I learned on this page is that beloving players, like AR can never be wrong, but almost all others would be blamed for different reasons. We all knows how QBs and CBs has to have short memory. They can learn how to achieve that from this page, from fans.

I also found out how people who are running this page have, by my opinion, very healthy approach. They rarely brings their opinion on value of players, but when is need to criticism, they are talking about acts, not people.

Here, with fans, the problem is persons, not acts they are doing.

Through my time during I follows Packers, I have enough "proof" about one player to be comfortable to talk about him as person.

My life experience shows me that fish smells from head, not from tale, so I agree with some here for calling MLF for main reason why team laid egg in Jacksonville. Nobody else. If he believe he has no good talent on the team to be winning team, he should say that. Like Zimmer, who already had several public announcement about group of players or his team. He risked his position, but he had good arguments. He showed accountability for his work.

This is only mine humble opinion.

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tincada's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:22 am

Dude, did you even read what you wrote? You let a team roll up 38 on you just where the hell is the defense? If it's everyone else's fault why do you even have a DC? Just yell at the players every time they fold. It is JB's fault.

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jannes bjornson's picture

September 17, 2021 at 08:59 pm

Desire, Determination, Dedication...Players, not Plays...........

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Archie's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:45 am

For some unknown reason, GB is incapable of hiring a competent DC. The same can be said of ST. The problems on offense last week were AR could not throw the ball accurately down the field and refused to throw short, and in the face of that shit-show, MLF refused to switch to the ground game. I don't care what the score was, once the offense shows itself incapable of throwing the ball, or unwilling to throw it underneath, you switch up and run the ball. If you can't run the ball either, then you are pathetic and it probably does not matter what you do.

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Since'61's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:49 am

Sorry, but the premise of this article is incorrect. Barry and MLF and the entire coaching staff deserve all of the blame for this fiasco. The coaches job is to prepare the team to play and to win games. The packers could have lost this game even if they played well. That at least would have been a sign that they were prepared and something to build off of for the upcoming Lions game. But the Packers had nothing from the opening kickoff and even less as the game went on.

The team was totally listless and had less than zero sense of urgency. IMO this has been an organizational problem for years. The stadium is sold out forever and the team consistently reaches the playoffs. Management congratulates itself and tells itself another successful season. To me the lack of urgency starting with management is in the fact that position groups are allowed to go on for years without any actions taken to improve the group. ILB and DL, in particular have not been addressed for about a decade now. We have Kenny Clark and that's it on the DL and who??? at ILB? Before that it was safety left to languish for years or RB or TE. Why?

I'm not expecting great players at every position but can't we at least find competent players? Why do we keep and overpay players like Lowry and King?? It always seems like something is missing on the team. It's never just quite right. I agree with Croat, this starts from the top and reaches all the way down to our players on the field.

As for the loss to the Saints it is on the coaches. we have nearly 30 coaches on the staff. One of them must know how to coach tackling and another must know how to coach blocking and someone must know how to catch a football. I don't care who or what their role is on the staff just get the team ready to play.
Numerous Lombardi Packers commented that Lombardi was the best coach from Monday to Saturday in getting the team prepared to play on Sunday. But also that Lombardi was basically useless on Sunday because the team was so well prepared to play the game that there was literally nothing left for him to do during the game. Starr called the plays on offense and Bengston handled the defense so Lombardi was just a glorified cheerleader. Starr, Hornung, Willie Davis, Nitschke, Dave Robinson and others all made similar comments about Coach Lombardi over the years and in numerous Lombardi biographies. He very rarely made an in game decision and just expected his players to execute which they did better than any team that has ever taken the field in the history of the NFL. The results are there, end of story, case closed. Thanks, Since '61

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Fabio's picture

September 18, 2021 at 01:32 am

Excellent since '61.
I think even if your players have such explicit parables (both character and performance or concentration) it means that they are not as excellent as we think because this aspect is also part of the talent!
A great football coach in Italy claims that: "All teams want to win on Sunday, but few during the week !!
However, as you and the Croatian have rightly observed, the lack of a sense of urgency is such an obvious thing that it is becoming ridiculous .....
I have nothing against Barry, but generally (consider that I speak from Italy !!) in your country people are judged by the results and Barry I don't understand what results he could ever have had to entice a team to acquire him. It is true that perhaps he has never had teams with great talent, but it is also true that his Ds have never provided ideas that would suggest anything good. The fact that no valid D coach wants to come to Green Bay (not even one from College !!) makes me think that the problems are to be found in the management and in the general philosophy they carry out.
Let us remember that we cannot expect to always pass from one Q HOF to another!
Greetings from Italy

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RedRight49's picture

September 17, 2021 at 10:51 am

I limit any " Blame Barry " solely to his Defense and their contributions to the overall game and not to the pitiful scoring by the Offense.

Barry's D gave up FIVE - 5 - touchdown passes to Jameis Winston in his starting debut for the Saints.

Barry's vaunted new D had how many " take-aways" - created how many turnovers - created how much disruption of the Saints running game - how many disruptions of the Saint's passing game - etc?

BY the way, did any Defensive free agents sign with the Packers this off - season, to replace existing players, because they wanted to play in Barry's D?

Did any fast rising, talented Defensive position coaches join the Packers to coach and learn under Barry?

Barry IS the Defensive co - ordinator and the defensive blame buck stops at his office door.

Can he or did he motivate any of his D players to play above their previous year's levels with tackling, pass rush, pass break-ups or anything?

What did the D show in the Saints game that shows his positive influence on the Defensive performance?

And one would think his players would want to play their best right out of the gate in their opening game under a new D co - ordinator.

I looked forward to his new " D " this past Sunday, believing it would be better than previous recent Ds'.

Barry deserves high praise when it is warranted and blame when it is warranted and the game I watched Sunday past was a praise-less, blameful pathetic Defensive performance.

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crayzpackfan's picture

September 17, 2021 at 12:19 pm

Run, Run, RUN!!
Running the ball accomplishes 4 things GB desperately need.
1. It opens up play action.
2. It’s easier on the OL.
3. It wears down opposing D.
4. It keeps our D off the field. From what I can tell, that’s probably a really good place for them to be.

They must create that mentality now. Allowing our defense on the field only makes the other team’s offense excited and happy while causing grief everywhere else.

Winning shootouts come playoff time isn’t a sound or practical game plan.

RUN!!

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HarryHodag's picture

September 17, 2021 at 02:19 pm

Ken,

The New Orleans Saints had as much time to prepare for the game as the Green Bay Packers, correct?
So when a team with Super Bowl aspirations comes out and plays as poorly as it did on both sides of the ball, you give the coaches a free pass and blame the players? Yes, but the players need proper direction. The misalignments, blown coverages, lack of meaningful run defense is only partially applicable to the players.

The coaches obviously were unprepared for the Saints. Do you blame the players for that? Matt LF and Barry both were caught flat-footed, showing a real lack of reality. Most of the players are back from a good defense last year, but they gave up 38 points? Why is that? BECAUSE THE COACHES DIDN'T PREPARE THEM PROPERLY.
MLF called a poor game, giving the ball over to the Saints. The Packers defense was porous and wore out.

Sorry, Barry is to blame. All he had to do was go with a veteran defense and get some 3 and outs. They were run over like a turtle on the road in front of an 18-wheeler.

MLF and Barry have that debacle on their shoulders. Sorry to disagree with you.

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HarryHodag's picture

September 18, 2021 at 05:30 am

Would you please just go away?

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CoachDino's picture

September 18, 2021 at 06:36 pm

barry deserves it for his lack of adjustments, he pulled the insanity defense, trying the same thing expecting different response. u can count the blitzes on one hand,amongst other adjustments. where i dont blame him is team strategy failing. packs roster and identy is offense. score lots of points forcing the opponent to play into the defenses strength, covarage through "soft" bend but dont break scheme. the league is offense wins, not defense, though it helps. with ar making more than the whole dl and ilb how can it be any different

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wildbill's picture

September 19, 2021 at 11:55 am

I would say crying about not being voted team captain kinda says it all as why you weren’t.

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