Playoffs or No Playoffs, the Packers’ 2023 Season Is a Success

The Packers have plenty to feel positive about, regardless of whether they earn a playoff spot this week.

The symmetry between 2022 and 2023 is obvious. The Packers must beat an upstart division rival in the final week of the season to make the playoffs.

But unlike last campaign, when missing the playoffs was seen as an abject failure with Aaron Rodgers at the helm, the Packers can mark 2023 down as a successful year, whether or not they beat the Bears in week 18.

Above all else, this season was about evaluating Jordan Love and deciding whether he is the man the franchise should be built around for years to come.

After settling in and playing like one of the best quarterbacks in the league since week nine, that question has been answered with a resounding ‘yes’.

Brian Gutekunst has been vindicated in his decision to move on from Rodgers and will almost certainly reward Love with a long-term contract this offseason.

If the Packers accomplished nothing else in 2023, the season would still have been labelled as a success. But add to that the bright flashes of promise the young offensive players around Love have shown this year, and it is difficult not to feel overwhelmingly optimistic about this team’s future.

Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs, Jayden Reed, Dontayvion Wicks, Luke Musgrave, Tucker Kraft, Malik Heath, Bo Melton, Ben Sims, Zach Tom, and Rasheed Walker are all cheap, gifted players Green Bay can build around on offense in 2024 and beyond.

For his part, Matt LaFleur has done a masterful job of crafting this offense around his player’s strengths. He has proved, if there was any doubt, that he is the head coach this team needs.

On the other side of the ball, the defense has been a disappointment on the whole, but that fact also feels like a win for the future of the Packers.

It is now clear beyond doubt that a change at defensive coordinator is needed, which could give a talented group of players, many of whom with significant draft pedigree, a chance to fulfill their potential. That important step towards becoming a true contender should happen soon.

Of course, making the playoffs would be the best-case scenario for a team in year one of a rebuild, even if it leads to a swift exit.

This offense in particular is capable of getting hot and going on a run if they get into the postseason, but tabbing the Packers as true Super Bowl candidates this year would be a step too far.

The experience of a playoff game for a fledgling team is the real prize, though, giving Love and company a taste of what it feels like to compete in the most high-pressure environment.

But regardless of whether the Packers can overcome a Bears team which should pose a much stronger challenge than in week one, the Packers will have racked up eight or nine wins this year, which was absolutely in the range of expected, and acceptable outcomes for the 2023.

A playoff berth would be the icing on the cake, but the future is bright in Green Bay, and that is what matters most.

 

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jont's picture

January 01, 2024 at 06:23 pm

For the offense, at least, I'm voting the season as a success.

As I saw it in the pre-season, the goal was to see young players with promise improve and grow into a team. The reports on Love told us he'd be solid, smart guy, that he had a good arm, seemed like a good leader. The young receivers had shown something the previous season. A few draft picks brought high expectations.

We knew it be an up and down season. The hope was that the team would come together and look good in the second half of the season.

I think we're there. The offense is coming together as a unit; individual players got some experience and are looking good, and the whole squad is executing as a unit.

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SoCalJim's picture

January 01, 2024 at 07:52 pm

Prior to 2023, many assumed that young receivers, and especially rookie TEs, wouldn’t be able to contribute too much this season. Holy cow, these kids are exceeding all expectations! I guess it partially their talent & effort and partially due to their QB1’s willingness to throw to all of them, even when they weren’t assignment-sure. Well done to Gute, MLF (even through I’d like to see him go), the WRs/TEs themselves, but, especially to Jordan Love for trusting them.

Take care of the Bears, finishing the season with a winning record, and get a taste of post-season action. Go Pack, Go!

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Leatherhead's picture

January 01, 2024 at 06:28 pm

This is the part I'm having trouble with:

"""It is now clear beyond doubt that a change at defensive coordinator is needed"....

You do realize that in a MUST WIN game, our opponent scored 10 points, and 7 of those were because we botched a punt return near our goal line.?

So, we essentially crush a division opponent, on the road, in a critical game and now it's clear beyond a doubt".

I decided we needed to make a change at DC after the Tampa game, but I'm not going to say there isn't any doubt.

What if we beat the Bears? What if our defense plays good in a playoff game.? It's not so 'beyond a doubt' as it looks.

And let's factor in the unavailability of Alexander, Stokes, Savage, Campbell, and Gary at various times. Joe Barry has made it work most of the time, even playing with UDFA guys, journeymen, and Day 3 rookies.

The season will eventually be over for us, and that's when decisions like that should be made. Who would you rather have? Currently, despite everything, we're going to finish the season as an AVERAGE defense in most measures, including the really important one, scoring. Let's see what happens before we start shoveling dirt on someone.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

January 01, 2024 at 06:44 pm

I think we’ve seen enough of a sample size to move on from Barry. The defense stunk against two horrible QBs in important games and finally comes through against an unknown. Barry should be sent packing even if we win the SB.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 01, 2024 at 10:22 pm

Thanks for hopefully putting that to rest. I'll even eat crow ,and put more of past post season failures on Rodgers's ego in the room and the restrictions on MLFs planning, but Barry has to go. Think of what this team can become with the added jolt from a new defensive approach and voice.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 02, 2024 at 04:26 am

Barry has to go. Fair.

Why blame AR's ego? Whatever the gameplan in 2020 and 2021 was, it was excellent. GB would have more than 35 points per game in 2020 had he listrened to LaFleur more? I see no evidence and I can adduce plenty in favor of the plans actually used.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 02, 2024 at 05:08 pm

Only explanation I can offer up given his talent and the questionable forced throws at critical moments. Loved Rodgers but I'll never understand his later year's playoff moments.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 05:55 am

He choked in some big moments. MLF got out coached, too.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 05:53 am

I was almost going to write that if GB hoists the Lombardi that would be the only reason to keep JB. U didn't write that because it's too absurd. If this D had a chance at that we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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canadapacker's picture

January 01, 2024 at 07:11 pm

Sorry - did we play against a rookie first time starter QB - YES - did we let theses Queens walk down the field several times - YES - so I am still not going to let Barry off the hook for getting us in this win or go home game after the Carolina debacle against one of the worse offenses in the league. I am also totally disgusted with the lack of effort on the defense and the fact that early in the season the undisciplined penalties did not result in benching. As far as playing other guys - this has happened all year long given our injuries - and one should expect them to play better later in season as they have been getting a lot of game reps. Finally as I have been posting - Lafleur has proven that he is needed one more year to continue developing Love - win or lose. But he is also the HC - and he needs to bear a big part of the responsibility for the lack of effort and the continue defending of Barry ( and the regression of special teams). I am also of the opinion that the Lafleur was not the Offensive guru that he had been given credit for - but at least has finally adapted to an increase in motion and making the best use of his offensive talent that helped Love deliver rather than standing around in the pocket for too long and eventually forcing passes. BTW I believe that Love's underthrows which led to many of the INT's was because of the pressure to win after missing open guys with overthrows. Such is part of the learning process. In any case - I believe that we cannot be successful next year with Barry - despite this little bit of success.

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ricky's picture

January 01, 2024 at 08:10 pm

You have done an excellent job of pointing out the main flaw with Barry. He shows he is capable of designing defensive schemes that can totally shut down an opponent. But he only does this sporadically. All too often, he reverts to very soft coverage calls that result in first downs, or opposing receivers running all alone for easy gains. He holds onto that mindset of "No big plays", and by doing so, allows big plays. The three games with the Giants, Tampa and Carolina showed his weakness. Those are his coffin nails. To be clear, though, I don't hate the guy. I think he should be given the opportunity to resign rather than be fired. And I truly hope he finds a position in the NFL that is more suited to his strengths. But as a DC? He has proven himself incapable of consistently fielding a competitive squad. So, yes, time to move on.

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Spock's picture

January 02, 2024 at 08:12 am

No need for Barry to resign; his contract expires at the end of the season. The Packers simply have to not renew his contract and everyone gets to save face.

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2024 at 08:39 am

I don’t think that will really work for anyone in the league. Barry’s acumen in Green Bay is now a known commodity nationally. Yes, it might avoid a decisive action, but that might actually have been something of value.

As to Sunday, for the most part there was no real opposing offense in the first half, and what there was in the second was still too little to count as a test of anything for any third party observers.

Thank you Vikings for a gift on both sides of the ball—Flores managed to imitate Barry quite well. A greatly enjoyed New Year trouncing, but not a game we can take too much from other than Melton, Jones and Love showing that he’s starting to be able to exploit weaknesses he sees.

Love’s mental acuity was a question. In fact he’s showing a great temperament, seems to be well liked and respected by his teammates and is already showing an ability to read the field and adjust, not merely to go through preset progressions, itself a question in summer. There’s a way to go to really capitalize, but the ingredients are now all visibly present.

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Johnblood27's picture

January 02, 2024 at 08:59 am

Nail, meet hammer.

Thanks Coldwater... lol

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 01, 2024 at 09:33 pm

LH, I respect your football acumen; you know that. Any organization should always be analyzing its strengths and weaknesses and looking to improve. Successful organizations are committed to a cycle of continuous improvement that facilitates success. If we look at the length of Barry's tenure, yes, there have been bright spots. but more we've seen much more inconsistency, and yes, incompetence in scheme and lack of situational awareness.

For me, it boils down the question of if the Packers could find a DC better than the one they have now. That answer is yes, even if Joe somehow manages not to trip on his dick or anything else to hand a victory to the Bears on Sunday.

The win over the Vikings was a win over a team that has lost 5 of their last 6 games, lead by two awful QBs, and a coach who appears to have lost his critical thinking skills. The Packers and MLF have treated JB with a great deal of grace by allowing him to finish the season. Here's a thought: if the Packers lovingly set Joe free at the end of his current contract, would any of our North Division rivals bring him on a a consultant? I think that's a nope, nope, nope.

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TKWorldWide's picture

January 02, 2024 at 03:35 am

Imagine a new DC crafting a defense that is GREATER than the sum of its parts (tripping on d%%# notwithstanding). Much has been made of the 8 first rounders on D, but is it possible that some were simply over-drafted rather than miscast in a poor scheme fit?
I gotta think that somewhere in the big NFL there’s a no-name (as of now) hot-shot defensive assistant coach ready to become the next great DC. Wouldn’t it be amazing if GB could somehow hire that guy?
Woo
Hoo!!

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coolhand's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:11 am

Jesse Minter from Michigan comes to mind

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 06:02 am

There are 20 known entities available, and each one would be an improvement over JB.

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Lphill's picture

January 02, 2024 at 05:33 am

Barry has proven already he needs to go regardless of these final games .

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Cheezehead72's picture

January 02, 2024 at 07:12 am

I agree that the defense has played good games but the inconsistency has always been a problem with Berry. Not sure if he just does not know what to do to defend against certain offenses or does he just not prepare enough.

We need constancy on both sides of the ball.

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HarryHodag's picture

January 02, 2024 at 08:20 am

Leatherhead- I admire people who speak the facts regardless of what the mob is chanting. The mob isn't always right.

It will be a tough call for MLF during the off season. His friend didn't put together a winning defense. But the mob also can't forget that defense won the Detroit and Kansas City games. Part of the defensive problem is personnel. Some of the folks we think are good really aren't in the grand scheme of things.
But what is remarkable is a Pro Bowl corner and a hot prospect at the other corner have either been gone or f-ing up all season. Two unknowns have stepped in and did well. You have to count that. Gute left a big hole at safety(wouldn't Brian Branch look good in Green and Gold?)
He also unloaded Douglas who has done very well in Buffalo.

There are great reasons to let Barry go. There are also reasons to keep him. Thus a tough call for MLF. But I always harken back to the 'fire everybody' crowd: the next person hired won't always succeed. In fact, they could be worse.

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PeteK's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:04 am

That's the tough and not enough discussed part in all of this, some players on D are just not good enough. Our two pro bowl defenders have a tarnished reputation which certainly can hamper any defense. Also, I'm not pleased with the progress of our Georgia three first round picks; they are a mirror image of our defense, hot and cold. However, it just feels that a lg amount of energy and confidence in this defense is gone. Time for a new voice.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 06:09 am

There are 0 reasons to give JB a new contract. The Viqueens lost because they didn't show up to play. It was a situation where Barry ball was a good strategy, and we could all see that before the game. It wasn't even so much that it worked as much as Ballentine simply shut down Justin Jefferson, which I did not see coming. The wins against KC and the Lions were great! Our players up front simply decided they were going to win their 1 on 1 matchups, and they did. There's no explanation for the 6 losses before those two wins that includes JB being a keeper.

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Houndog's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:08 am

Leatherhead,
You ARE kidding, right?
Beating a downtrodden Vikings team without a quality QB and a shitload of injuries does NOT forgive all the horseshit games the "D" has played over the past 3 years. Call Detroit and ask their fans if they've forgotten 0-16.
If Barry is here at this time next year, we'll all be 5 years older with more gray (or less) hair, and talking about the "What If's" again!

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:59 am

There are 5 games this season where Jordan Love and the Offense gave the team a lead late in the game...only for Barry Ball to give it back and lose the game.

The key to the defense on Sunday was Barry (finally) dealing up front seven pressure a few times. A turnover. And most importantly, the Offense chewing clock on long scoring drives keeping Barry Ball off the field. The O had 70 plays to the D having to defend just 50.

Again, it is not the "points" with Barry Ball, it is when he gives them up. His philosophy is one of playing not to lose...then his philosophy usually losses anyway. There is NO vision of dominance for his charges...just play the prevent (the win) soft zone and protect the yards behind you, but don't attempt to take the ground in front of you!

The Defense has talent...Barry even used it a few times with front 7 pressure. Was that Quay Walker getting home on a blitz? Be still my beating heart! Nixon on a blitz. What was that? Then it was gone.

The Packers' D players deserve better.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 05:50 am

There is no universe in which Joe Berry is an NFL level DC. The final four games of last season were given as a sorry excuse for keeping JB. What it really was was his contract expires after this season. No need to fire him, just don't re-sign him. There are 20 people available to fill the position, all of them better.

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SJPack's picture

January 01, 2024 at 06:36 pm

By most accounts, we are well below average defense. Time for a much needed change. Championships are still won with great defenses. From the camera shots of our Def Cord in the booth, he did not look like he was calling the game yesterday.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 01, 2024 at 06:44 pm

In a 32 team league, about half the teams are average-ish. 8 a little above, 8 a little below. Packers fall squarely in that range, especially on points, where they've consistently been in that 12-20 range. Half of their opponents do not get past 20 points.

I couldn't make a judgement like that based on a couple of short shots of Barry in the box.

Dude....we crushed the Vikings. Can't you give him any credit for that ?

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 01, 2024 at 06:54 pm

Confronted with facts, people resort to fantasy. Give credit where it's due. It was a great game, regardless of the fact that the Vikings have bad quarterbacks. The Tampa game bought Baker Mayfield a new contract at real money. Tommy DeVito will never have to buy a drink in NJ again in his life, regardless of what happens in his NFL career. But for this night, Joe Barry deserves to be celebrated. Happy New Year Joe Barry. You played with duct tape and baling wire and kicked the snot out of the Vikings. Well done.

Same can be said about MLF who called a masterful game and literally destroyed a pretty interesting scheme. Good on you Matt, Happy New Year. I'd almost argue that the coaching staff deserved game balls.

The team looked shockingly well prepared. Can't do anything but give it up when they get it right. Bravo.

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PeteK's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:13 am

Yup, and that celebrated Flores D wilted. It's crazy how quickly attitudes change especially during this crazy season.

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coolhand's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:15 am

And Carolina was SHUTOUT by Jacksonville on Sunday, the same pathetic team that scored 30 on barry's D the week before

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Houndog's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:20 am

OK Leatherhead, against my judgement I'll go along with you on just that subject, whether its applicable or not.
I'll give Barry credit for beating the Vikings!
That will improve his record of "Good Games" coached in GB at somewhere around 9-42!

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2024 at 12:17 pm

Did we crush the Vikings with our defensive prowess or was it in fact the impotence of the Vikings O and D on the day?

In my view our D was barely tested in the ground or through the air and certainly not in the first half. Using that game to defend Barry requires one to misconstrue what happened entirely.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 06:15 am

It was a known situation calling for Barry ball. You want to credit JB for that? Fine. Many situations call for something else, and he has nothing. Or if he has something, it's not enough. Stopping the run only to let bad QBs feast is not winning football. Stopping the passing game only to give up 200 yards on the ground isn't a recipe for success, either. Good defenses stop their opponent.

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Cheezehead72's picture

January 02, 2024 at 07:16 am

Championships are not won with a good defense. Championships are won with offense. People that believe that defense wins championships are only looking at championship[ team that had good defenses and above average to very good offenses.

I bet you cannot name more than 5 Super Bowl winners that had a better defense than offense.

Defense keeps you in the game and provide opportunities for the offense to win the game. Yes a good defense is needed but you need both.

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21Savage's picture

January 02, 2024 at 08:28 am

Just since the Packers won their most recent Super Bowl:

'11-'12 Giants, '12-'13 Ravens, '14-'15 Patriots, '15-'16 Broncos, '18-'19 Patriots, '20-'21 Bucs

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PeteK's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:15 am

BALANCE wins out the vast majority of the time.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 02, 2024 at 11:25 am

I have a different view:

I believe a good offense and a great, dominating defense wins more than a great offense and a good defense.

I ascribe to the Wolfman when he said his priorities taking over the Packers was to get a dominant QB and surround him with a dominating DEFENSE. That worked rather well.

The Packers have had over 30 years of HOF quarterbacking and only 3 Super Bowl appearances. A common thread was below average defenses. (And poor STs.)

It is not a coincidence 2 of the SB appearances were due to dominant Defenses coached by Fritz Schumer and his assistants.

Over the 30 years there have been plenty of playoff games when the Capers, Pettine, Barry defenses could not hold serve...and even a few devastating D collapses in NFCC games.

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TKWorldWide's picture

January 02, 2024 at 06:35 pm

You could say Brady’s career was close to what Ron Wolf described: dominant QB, dominant D.

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13TimeChamps's picture

January 01, 2024 at 06:58 pm

This team has gotten exponentially better over the last half of the season because of the young ascending players on offense. Love, Reed, Kraft, Wicks, Doubs, Walker, Tom, et.al. This has been accomplished despite the defense being underwhelming for the most part. Yes, the defense played really well against Minny, yet played horrible against NYG, Tampa, Carolina, not exactly a juggernaut of offenses. It's well past time for a change in leadership on that side of the ball.

For those...thankfully very few at this point...who are still defending Barry....let me ask you a simple question. When/if he is unemployed this offseason, how many teams do you envision will be lining up to hire him as their DC?

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LeotisHarris's picture

January 01, 2024 at 09:39 pm

"For those...thankfully very few at this point...who are still defending Barry....let me ask you a simple question. When/if he is unemployed this offseason, how many teams do you envision will be lining up to hire him as their DC?"

Yeah, just posted a similar question in response go LH above before seeing your question here. To my knowledge, no teams requested to interview JB last off-season.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 01, 2024 at 10:37 pm

I'm not sure that anyone is defending Barry at this point, perhaps Leatherhead in his defiant way, but he jumped the tracks after Tampa, and acknowledged that Barry had to go. That said, the defense performed well. Is it bad to recognize a great performance?

I've been down on MLF since the get, but Love was prepared, and the play calling was exceptional. When it's good, it's good. I think the team, all three phases have underperformed for the year. I park that at LaFleurs door, regardless of the New Years eve triumph. I expect a win over the Bears, which I always expect because, well, they're the Bears.

On to the playoffs. Let the chips fall where they may. It would be pretty great to draw Detroit again. Even Dallas.

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:08 am

Let’s hope Tom Clements decides to stay. That would be a win. He said in the dark times earlier in the season that Love would start showing the awareness and decisiveness that has been emerging. He has been proved right.

Whatever else one may disagree with, Rodgers insisting we bring back Clements is something we should be thankful for, as should Love and LaFleur.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 06:34 am

My bigger gripe with MLF is playing favorites instead of picking players on merit. And failure to get our O linemen playing at their best. Footwork, 2" is the difference between winning and losing in a given matchup. Half of the season it wouldn't have mattered who was in the game, they were losing unless they were named Jenkins or Tom. Could've brought Bakh in to put on a clinic. Yes Butkus and Stenavitch are more directly involved in that sort of thing, but with such an obvious problem over such a long period of team? That's on the HC for not correcting that.

None of that falls within the OC job description. ALL of this could be fixed by putting Stenavitch and MLF each down a notch, and Butkus out the door.

Winning the two recent losses could've drawn a game against the Lions in the playoffs. This team can't compete against Dallas if Dallas plays well.

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canadapacker's picture

January 01, 2024 at 09:43 pm

0 - I mean ZERO

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CanPackFan's picture

January 02, 2024 at 11:08 am

I would be dumbfounded if even 1 NFL team, outside of GB, would want Barry as it's DC. His lack of success is backed up statistically over too many seasons.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 06:23 am

Looking for games in which JB did well, which of the 8 losses this season would you point to? The 9 last season? I'm not pinning all 17 on JB, I'm just asking which of those did he do well in?

Against the Viqueens, it was the perfect situation for Barry ball to work. You can't just wait for opponents to adjust to your scheme.

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White92's picture

January 01, 2024 at 07:04 pm

For God's sake man, Gutekunst has not been vindicated. Who knows what may have happened had he invested some top draft picks into some receivers or tight ends while Rodgers was still in his prime? As a reminder, Jalen Hurts was taken #53 in that draft.

This team has still not won anything significant under Gutekunst's watch. Further, there is no guarantee that Love won't regress. I surely don't want to see that happen, but there have certainly been cases where a highly drafted QB looked good initially and ultimately ended up backups or out of football in a short period of time.

Could the Packers have gone to a SB teaming Tee Higgins or Jonathan Taylor with Devante and Rodgers rather than trading up for Love? That is what makes being a fan great.

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SoCalJim's picture

January 01, 2024 at 08:00 pm

Rodgers’ would’ve left those shiny new toys unused for a couple of seasons. Either that, or he’d give them the old stink-eye when they failed to divine the special (uncalled) route that Rodgers was thinking at the moment.

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stockholder's picture

January 01, 2024 at 08:09 pm

Don't Look at Rodgers last year.
Most people believe what they are told without bothering to think about it.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 01, 2024 at 08:47 pm

indeed. look at Rodgers this year. game, set, match Gutekunst. He takes that last set at Love.

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stockholder's picture

January 01, 2024 at 08:05 pm

You're exactly Right.
Thank You for speaking up.

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ChrisD's picture

January 01, 2024 at 09:35 pm

And there have certainly been highly drafted players who were better than anyone thought. ANYBODY! Ya know Green Bay isn’t the only team that missed on Hurts.

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White92's picture

January 02, 2024 at 08:51 pm

You make the point. Why take a first round risk on Love when there were as many that thought he could be a bust as ones who thought he'd be good?

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 06:41 am

The timing was bad. Blatantly bad. Supposedly going all in on AR12, but passing on a historically great WR class? Nonsensical. That his QB pick at that time is proving to work out 4 seasons later is saving Gutey's ass, not earning him accolades.

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ChrisD's picture

January 01, 2024 at 09:36 pm

OP should watch and follow some other franchises before he judges this one

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:01 am

Year Six, where's the gold?

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bottlefliper's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:58 am

AR was done after 2012 and it was all downhill from there. On and even more off the field.
He was all about him self and the couple of buddies he needed for his entertainment. He refused to throw to anyone he did not like and called it „trust issues“. He das low morals and his passiv aggressiv nonsense was hard to watch. He was a coward who sucked the joy out of football. Had more weapons than most other QBs over his carrer and made nothing out of it. He always lost wehn it counts and played like 5% oft he SC but earnd 30%. But is was never his fault. So he throw everyone else under the bus. Most oft he time not directly of course. He was a coward and Lombardi would have thrown him out in 2013. Got lucky MLF fixed him somehow and got him 2 MVPs.
Off the field he got total crazy from Chemtrials, to Dolphine sex to Ivermetin abuse. He hates common sense and moral and thinks he ist o smart to realise how dumb he really is. But what would you expect from a guy who asked Rogan for advice. Let sink that in…..
Great we got the joy of football back and I can even my kids let watch again. Kelce is much smarter and stronger in his little finger than AR ever was.

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splitpea1's picture

January 01, 2024 at 07:57 pm

It almost feels we're getting set up for a letdown here. No, I want to win this game badly, as I'm sure everyone involved with this organization does. Thankfully a lot of questions have been answered regarding the offense, but there's a lot of work going forward in restocking and reimagining the defense.

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SoCalJim's picture

January 01, 2024 at 08:02 pm

I would be disappointed, but not surprised.

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ChrisD's picture

January 01, 2024 at 09:44 pm

You can get a lot done in an off-season! And the second year leap is a real thing, for some already pretty impactful players. You know the list. Plus we’re going to get a good draft in. Ofc there are areas to bolster. There always are. With every team. I trust Gutey to get it done. This is his baby! Gotta think Murphy would love a SB before his Draft. Aka his Swan Song.

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Packman60's picture

January 01, 2024 at 08:17 pm

That argument isa beyond stale. Unless you want to be the Bears and go 40 years without a dependable quarterback you should draft a Quarterback when you have the opportunity to do so., when you find one you believe in. It's been said the best time to draft a QB is before you need one. Gutey did exactly as he should've done. His job as a GM is to balance current with Future needs and make the best decision for the franchise. He did that 3 years ago and the Packers could be the beneficiaries of that decision for the next 10-15 years.

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ChrisD's picture

January 01, 2024 at 09:45 pm

Haha. Some one gave a 👎. Idiot hater

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:39 am

The old practice of bringing in a QB every 2 or 3 years was a good one. It’s one I’d like us to get back to. However, having added Clifford last year, 2024 is a year I don’t think we should.

This year we need to focus on IOL and the secondary, and adjusting to the needs of a new DC who is hopefully less focused on bending and trying not to break. After that, it’s RB and depth.

Refilling the pipelines is not just important at QB. The last couple of drafts have given us the chance to have a deep as well as good roster with the picks accumulated. QB can wait a year.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 06:48 am

Don't forget about Mr Magoo, #2! We have 3 good QBs. Definitely make up for 0 O line picks last draft. I'd like to see 3 in early rounds, and wouldn't mind if they were all IOL. I'd love to see #31 Wilson get meaningful snaps, and get Goodson back. Drafting someone better than either would be fun, but there might be bigger needs, including ILB.

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White92's picture

January 02, 2024 at 01:19 pm

The argument isn't really "should we draft and develop a QB when we don't need one now". My problem is the execution of the decision. Love would certainly been available later in the draft and the top pick could have been used on a receiver or a back.

There may have been bad blood between Rodgers and the GM prior to the draft, but the way it was handled just made things worse. Rodgers had built enough capital with the organization that he deserved a little more respect at that time. Just my opinion.

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2024 at 01:54 pm

Upon what do you base your assertion that Love would “certainly been available later in the draft”?

Most projections had him going about 10 spots earlier at the time (I looked back). William Hill had him at 16.5 too. Our next pick (we traded a 4th to move from 30 to 26) was 62. Are you seriously contending that he would have lasted that long?

Even with Hurts lasting to 53, that seems a stretch. Even Hurts’ biggest proponents had him as an early second. That was the last of top 5 QBs by clear consensus that year. It looks thus far as if that consensus was pretty accurate. Jacob Eason was the next one taken nearly 70 picks later.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 02, 2024 at 02:05 pm

Well, he's clearly using the Outayerass Scouting service analysis.

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ricky's picture

January 01, 2024 at 08:19 pm

This is a point I've been arguing for a while. I don't believe anyone expected the Packers to be in the playoff hunt this late in the season. The consensus was to find out if Love could be a viable QB. And whether the younger players could show up and perform in the NFL. Well, we have some answers there. But to make Watson the first WR mentioned when improvement was shown seems more hope and projection than reality. So far, Watson has shown himself to be a "when healthy" player, as in "he can really have an impact..." And yes, the guys you mentioned are inexpensive- right now. But it seems likely that Love will be signed to an extension, and QB's are very expensive. And when their rookie deals run out, there is going to be attrition on the offense. But, yes, right now, next year looks exciting. Especially if a new DC can make the defense believers, and play to their strengths, rather than all too often playing "prevent".

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 01, 2024 at 08:50 pm

I thought they'd go 12 and 5. or at least 11-6. I thought they'd win the division. They should have.

I also thought Bakhtiari would be the player he's paid to be, so too Jaire. Injuries scuttled most of Jones season too.

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stockholder's picture

January 01, 2024 at 08:28 pm

Success? It depends on how you follow up this season.
I remember the 1972 and 1982 winners.
If the talent is over -achieving like those teams.
What they did is just a flash in the pan.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 01, 2024 at 08:52 pm

You have repeatedly proved that you don't know what you're looking at. Whether it was your initial dismissal of Aaron Rodgers when he replaced Favre, or your obvious miss regarding Love, you just don't see it or understand it until it's in your rearview mirror.

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stockholder's picture

January 01, 2024 at 09:19 pm

I understand one thing.
Winning.
I remember moving on from Bart Starr.
I've been through the bad years.
So just don't look at the Qb!

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2024 at 08:47 am

In the end every player departs into history. On rare occasions that’s by choice, but it’s usually age, injuries or, these days, crippling cost, direct and associated, can play a role. Change is the one inevitable in sport.

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Pack88's picture

January 01, 2024 at 09:05 pm

One season does not a career make; just remember Adams was labeled a bust after his 2nd year, Gary doubted after a quiet year 1and how many great 1st years are never repeated. Look at Stokes. Sean Rhyan was widely felt to be a bust after last year but appears to be growing into a player just as a former "bust"TJ Lang. Point I making is lets hope these guys continue to grow and the team is a season long contender next year. BTW I loved TJ Lang when he was a packer and I was so happy he salvaged his career in GB but there is a great commitment in pro ball and young players often don't realize it until till their athletic skills are eroded by injury or time.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

January 01, 2024 at 09:10 pm

Playoffs or no playoffs?

Even if it leads to a swift exit?
No. Just no.
We will crush the Bears. Then we will have either the good fortune of beating McCarthy in JerryWorld, or crushing the souls of the upstart Lions. Nothing but fun for the next two weeks.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 01, 2024 at 10:39 pm

because in two weeks, we are playing on house money.

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CanPackFan's picture

January 02, 2024 at 11:40 am

This is exactly the kind of over confidence that scares me re: the Bears game.

Not sure about nothing but fun for the next 2 weeks? How about concentrating on the Bears this Sunday. Then, and only then, should we think about the playoff " fun we might have with "house money"

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2024 at 12:11 pm

The bares fans are feeling pretty confident about their team right now. They have won four out of five. Eberflus is thought to be figuring it out, Fields seen as a keeper and showing signs of development in his mental professions and consistency throwing helped by the bond he’s developed with DJ Moore.

They have been putting up points and haven’t given up more then 20 since the loss to the Lions in week 11. That’s a far better record than the Vikings have managed since they lost their QB against us at Lambeau.

On form, a much stronger opponent. Their season is over in practical terms, but it’s their Super Bowl: a chance to show that they are for real and against their nemesis. Don’t expect them to fail to turn up on both sides of the ball like the Vikings did.

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Fubared's picture

January 01, 2024 at 10:25 pm

The packers surpassed my season expectations of 6 maybe 7 wins this year based on our defense or lack of.
The good news I think we got ourselves a winner at QB. I just hate it that the same people are getting hurt over and over again and missing games,
Watson has to go he just takes up space and quite honestly doesnt do much when he does play, ditto Stokes.
Nixon is dumber then a chia pet and could cost us a game and throw in that loser kicker who broke a record for most extra points missed. He should be easy to replace for sure. Any other team would have cut him already. He sucked in college so how the hell did we want him. Anything to save a buck over Mason.
Good luck packers. Give the bears hell and lets get into the playoffs.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 01, 2024 at 10:43 pm

again, who is this "us/we" you are referring to?

you're a viking fan.

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bottlefliper's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:59 am

AR was done after 2012 and it was all downhill from there. On and even more off the field.
He was all about him self and the couple of buddies he needed for his entertainment. He refused to throw to anyone he did not like and called it „trust issues“. He das low morals and his passiv aggressiv nonsense was hard to watch. He was a coward who sucked the joy out of football. Had more weapons than most other QBs over his carrer and made nothing out of it. He always lost wehn it counts and played like 5% oft he SC but earnd 30%. But is was never his fault. So he throw everyone else under the bus. Most oft he time not directly of course. He was a coward and Lombardi would have thrown him out in 2013. Got lucky MLF fixed him somehow and got him 2 MVPs.
Off the field he got total crazy from Chemtrials, to Dolphine sex to Ivermetin abuse. He hates common sense and moral and thinks he ist o smart to realise how dumb he really is. But what would you expect from a guy who asked Rogan for advice. Let sink that in…..
Great we got the joy of football back and I can even my kids let watch again. Kelce is much smarter and stronger in his little finger than AR ever was.

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Swisch's picture

January 01, 2024 at 10:58 pm

Yeah, I agree with Mark, but it would be a harsh way to end the season to lose to the Bears -- especially with a playoff spot on the line for the Packers.
Though the Bears have been stunningly strong of late, the challenge they present is all the more reason why it's so important for the Packers to overcome. In other words, the Bears present a tough test, but a fair test, for us to earn a trip to the playoffs.
Not only for the fans, but for themselves, the players need to go all out to take advantage of this opportunity.
It's a matter of practicing well this week, eating and sleeping properly, and competing hard and smart on Sunday -- no regrets.
Seize the season! There are no guarantees for the future.

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4thand10's picture

January 01, 2024 at 11:08 pm

It is a success….
along with quite a few surprises. J Love….poise, command of offense and guys like playing for him because there doesn’t seem to be an ego involved yet. For a first year start…complete success. Secondly…the TE room…what a step up VS Tonyan. A lot of promise with Kraft and Mustgrave…although, I have to wonder what it would have looked like with Kraft and Darnell Washington…but that’s just selfish…I’m totally fine with Sims , Musgrave and Kraft…what a room improvement and they’re just getting started.

I was wrong about Bo Melton….what an absolute luxury to have both Melton and Reed as fast slot guys who can both play teams and can both catch deep balls potentially taking it to the house. Doubs…unselfishly doing his job in catching and delivering good blocks when needed. Heath blocking and doing his job unselfishly as well and making catches. The emergence of Wicks prior to injury. Now all we need is Watson to stay healthy…and this team has quite the core.

Ballentine and Valentine not only playing but excelling at their positions…Availability. And dare I say playing better than Jaire this season…not only because of availability but also their play.

Quay Walker…looks like she has solidified himself as a hellava MLB.

Now…give love a better center and guard. Get an OL, C, RB, DL and maybe a WR in case Watson can’t get his body right . Just beat the bears, get dillon’s thumb right and this team can make a run. And after next yrs draft if they choose right…this team can definitely make a run next yr as well.

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:00 am

Walker was a very effective blitzer in college. It was great to see him show why when given a chance.

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:06 am

An innovative DC could do some interesting things with him. When they drafted him I thought he'd get some snaps at Edge occasionally on passing downs.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:40 am

agreed. he has crazy physical skills, not too dissimilar from Micah Parsons. regardless where he lines up he should be turned loose to be the playmaker he is. see ball, attack ball.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 06:59 am

JB hasn't used LVN on the interior at all, either. Never called up #99 J Ford. It's no secret why GB has struggled against the run.

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DeezNutz's picture

January 01, 2024 at 11:24 pm

Good article. I agree with your thoughts.

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TKWorldWide's picture

January 02, 2024 at 03:50 am

Looks to me like there is an immense gap between 33 and whoever the second best ballcarrier is. As much as Dillon is a great character guy, it seems like it would relatively easy to upgrade that spot for next season. And then that guy could take over the #1 spot after Aaron Jones calls it a career. (I’m in no hurry for that, but Jones just turned 29 and both Father Time and history are brutal to running backs at this point.)

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2024 at 08:53 am

The fear with Jones as with any running back is not just that his body looses that twitch due to age, but how often he can be healthy and out there. He’s not lost his twitch, he’s not that old and hasn’t had a vast workload, but is the ability to do than 10-15 times a season, let alone post season, still there? Impossible to know. That’s the conundrum for the team.

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:17 am

I think MarShawn Lloyd from USC would physically be a good replacement for Jones but I have no clue about his character or instincts and that's something that will be missed if Jones departs. I do know he averaged 7.1 yards a carry on only 116 carries and didn't bitch about his lack of opportunities. Also didn't get a lot receiving chances but averaged 17.8 yards a catch, outstanding for a RB.

Like Wahle said the O line holds their blocks an extra tick for Jones, either consciously or subconsciously, and his instincts allow him to take full advantage. He will be missed.

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Cubbygold's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:25 am

Agree. The frustrating thing is how ineffective Dillon appears to be in goal line situations. Would be a different story if he wasn't all that explosive, but could convert 3rd and 2s frequently. Now, that's probably as much an o-line issue as a Dillon issue, but still, he just seems very replaceable and I certainly wouldn't give Dillon another contract that pays anything more than what a rookie would make.

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:59 am

Our IOL is a big part of that, and has been for a while. Runyon and Myers in particular were first identified as a weakness by opponents in the red zone.

We have found one, possibly a couple of tackles, but Myers is going into his last year and has again been poor while Runyon has regressed. Jenkins has been trending up, but not yet as consistently dominant. Graded from PFF for the Vikings game:

Josh Myers: 37.4
RG Jon Runyan Jr.: 53.6
LG Elgton Jenkins: 54.4

Myers got flagged for holding and allowed a season-high six pressures. Runyan allowed a pressure and had poor run-blocking grades. Jenkins was solid as a pass-protector but received poor grades in the run game, possibly due to the melt down to his right (which didn’t help the RGs either). That just emphasizes the play of Jones and Love, also that of Rhyan. A 37 rating isn’t just bad it’s execrable.

This has to be fixed as much as the D. Like the D it’s been a multi-season Problem that has lingered and there seems a positive objection to change, other than where Nijman is concerned—for the record, while Walker has graded a little higher, Nijman’s season ratings far exceed Myers’ and Runyon’s.
Permutations ignored perhaps. Rhyan is still not playing full games.

Jones had the ability to get outside but also to burst through gaps few other can. He always has had that. It’s his particular calling card. Dillon or any other power back isn’t going to do that. In fact most RBs of any kind will struggle. Fix the OL and we will be set to upgrade with or without Dillon. It will help Jones as well. Not doing so going into this season is very hard to excuse, again, seemingly more talent available than results secured.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 02, 2024 at 11:39 am

Jenks is running on fumes during run plays. He isn't moving those quick feet like did before the injuries. He's a warrior though and is still pass blocking very well and even all dinged up is better than putting in Newman or anyone else.

It seems clear Nijman's history in GB is coming to an end. Maybe some day we will know how such a hard working FA could make so many quality starts and get benched when he is easily one of the best 5 OL...probably the 3rd or 4th best O lineman right now.

I expect Yosh is a PO'ed player...but at least the Packers are paying him $millions to stew on the bench.

3 points
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LLCHESTY's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:21 am

LaFleur does him no favors by not lining directly behind an under the center Love. The results always look better when he does.

4 points
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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 07:03 am

#28 is not at all replaceable. Using him for TDs, the problem is opponents have too much time to adjust. His effectiveness this season has been tied to using him unexpectedly. He's also caught everything thrown his way, and gotten some serious YAC.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:46 am

I believe Jones has 2-3 more really good years left. Obviously it can go fast, but he really hasn't had a huge workload over the years. I would prefer to keep him another year or 2.

What I want to see though, is them getting some more speed and explosiveness at RB. I like Dillon and he is a good backup RB. But when Jones is out of the lineup the lack of explosiveness at RB is telling. Wilson has speed and unfortunately got hurt when he was really starting to emerge. But I believe they need to find 1-2 RB's in the draft. I want them to have shiftiness and speed.

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Houndog's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:48 am

RC,
I'm not sure about 2-3 years, but I think his present day Veteran presence in the locker room for another year or two is a big deal to this young Offense, and particularly the receivers group. He's a guy they can (and I think do) all look up to, he's a Pro's Pro, and has the right personality.
I'm hoping GB can find a way to keep him, even IF they draft his replacement.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 02, 2024 at 11:27 am

I am hoping for at least 1 more year and then see how it goes. But you are correct. Look at the end of the Vikings game. He took a shot in the mouth from a Vikings player when he was trying to break up any type of fight. He is a leader, and we need him for this young offense.

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2024 at 12:24 pm

I think Jones’ future with us depends on whether both sides can be realistic and redo his deal. Lots of upside is fine but the current contract just doesn’t seem realistic.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 03, 2024 at 03:13 pm

In theory, they could use two of their bonus picks and on Day 2 they could get two of the best RBs in the draft to replace Jones/Dillon. And two very good OL to replace Runyan and Nijman.

Jones has been a really good player for us. He'll turn 30 next season. His salary for 2024 plus bonuses is around $12 M. We'll also continue to owe him some restructured money. If a team offered something in trade, it'd be crazy not to listen.

Sadly, he's just been too successful in Green Bay.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 07:10 am

Shiftiness = Goodson. Speed = #31Wilson, who is basically halfway between #33 and 28. Can Gutey draft anyone better than either? Both got hurt. GB lost Goodson and Nichols, too.

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Minniman's picture

January 02, 2024 at 04:10 am

The good news is that, whatever happens to the remainder of this year, the Packers can approach the draft from a strong strategic BPA position - which will also help to bring the cap back under control.

They certainly need to prepare for Jordan Love’s contract next year, as well as Aaron Jones being 30 and coming off contract then too.

I won’t be surprised if they load up on OL and RB in this draft.

5 points
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Cubbygold's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:13 am

BPA for sure. But I'm not sure this team is out of cap trouble. If I go and look at 2025 or 2026 cap numbers, I see GB as being in the bottom 25% of teams in available dollars - and that's before a Love contract. Lot of money to JA, Gary, Preston and Campbell that are going to keep the belt tight

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Minniman's picture

January 02, 2024 at 01:50 pm

Totally agree Cubby, they're going to spend a few more years correcting the balance sheet.

The good news is that they can remain competitive through that period.

I'm personally loving Rodgers starting the narrative to trade for Bakh - the Jets may just be gullible enough to bite on it.

Sure, Walker is not Bakhtiari, but the option to reduce a $40M cap hit down to $19M is too compelling - especially with this OL draft class potential.

1 points
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Cubbygold's picture

January 03, 2024 at 02:05 pm

yeah, i'd be all for that

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 02, 2024 at 04:37 am

Lot of people giving Gute credit for trading AR. As much as I apologize for AR, remember I wrote an article supporting a trade to Denver. Gute was a year too late.

5 points
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TKWorldWide's picture

January 02, 2024 at 06:22 am

Are you saying Russel Wilson wasn’t the answer? 😉

3 points
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21Savage's picture

January 02, 2024 at 08:31 am

As much as I think Gute ended up swinging a good deal from the Jets for AR, the haul we would have gotten from Denver had we traded Rodgers coming off the 2021 MVP campaign would have made the Vikings-Herschel Walker trade look like small potatoes. The '22 season would have been much worse than 9-8, but the team would be set up for dominance for the next decade.

3 points
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Johnblood27's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:13 am

Let's not let the fog of time cloud our vision.

Murphy nixed the AR trade to Denver. He feared the backlash and the loss of the 'face' of the franchise in his last years as President.

He took his own legacy ahead of the welfare of the franchise.

Murphy has been a placeholder, not a leader.

Bob Harlan was 100x the man Murphy could ever hope to be.

9 points
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Houndog's picture

January 02, 2024 at 11:03 am

Johnblood,
Truer words were never written!
Murphy could build a 10 bedroom mansion, a golf course, and a dozen theme parks in just one of Bob Harlan's shoes and still not fill it!

2 points
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LeotisHarris's picture

January 02, 2024 at 03:19 pm

In all fairness to Murphy, Bob Harlan took fewer shots to the head as a Marquette grad with a degree in journalism. Harlan wanted to be a sports writer. Did you know his first job after a short stint in the Army was as sports information director for Marquette? From that job, he went to work for MLBs St Louis Cardinals in community and public relations. Harlan started with the Packers in 1971 as an assistant general manager. Three promotions later he was the ninth President of the Green Bay Packers in 1989.

Fascinating career arc for a guy from Iowa with a BA in Journalism.

3 points
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Johnblood27's picture

January 06, 2024 at 07:56 am

Isn't it amazing what a man of selfless character and integrity can do if given an opportunity?

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2024 at 08:59 am

Yes, we were a year too late. To be more precise, Murphy was a year too late. He championed a 100 million extension, predicted a 4th MVP post Adams at the time. Still cost us 40 million in cap this season even after unwinding it.

It was pretty hard to swallow your theory then that Gute drove the decision to keep him. Gute in fact said almost nothing as that deal was concluded. Murphy led the charge “we are not idiots” with cheerleading from LaFleur. It looks even less plausible now, after it was unwound and we went all out youth a year later to build around Love.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:37 am

I believe they would have made the trade if they felt Love was ready. I don't believe they felt he was ready to be the guy last year.

One thing we should agree with is that starting a QB too soon can do more harm then good. Look at how many QB's play way before they should, and how bad their careers turn out because of it.
I think back to last year and Malik Willis. He was a guy who has some very natural talents. But he was raw coming into the NFL and needed a year or 2 of development. Well they played him and he wasn't good and then they drafted another QB to be the guy. Some guys just need time to develop.

Obviously we don't know how Love would have done had he started last year as the QB. And we don't know where he would be now with his development had he gotten that time last year. But right now we have to definitely like where Love is at compared to where he was to start the year. I will just say I like how the Packers take time to develop the QB and make sure he is ready before they put the franchise on his shoulders.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 02, 2024 at 03:37 pm

That would presume that Love was ready a year earlier. I would say that the actions of the front office strongly suggest that they felt the club was better off with Rodgers, even with the financial constraints. And of course, we would have had more high draft picks but draft picks don't always work out, even high ones.

Gute/LaFleur have put 5 teams on the field. They've won a higher percentage of games during that time than any other team, and LaFleur has one of the highest win percentages of all time.

We've made the playoffs 4 out 5. We have extra picks at the top of the draft, again. We have a young, ascending team. Maybe he was one year too late on Rodgers, maybe not, but we're in a real good spot.

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White92's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:04 pm

Sorry man but MLF's record is fools gold. He's spit the bit as a #1 seed twice at hallowed Lambeau Field. I'd rather be the 2011 Giants and win a SB after going 9-7 in the regular season than go 13-3 and lose at home in the divisional round.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 07:18 am

Making it to 2 NFC championship games counts for something. Only winning that 3x over the entire careers of #4 & 12 is what hurts.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 03, 2024 at 09:36 am

Why is his record any more fools gold than anybody else's? Everybody has losses.

It we want to rehash the playoff losses, fine. Against Tampa, our QB could not deliver near the goal line. Against SF, we had a historically bad offensive outing. You want to put that on LaFleur, but I'd suggest maybe somebody else had more to do with those losses.

To pick two games out of about 100 and say that defines LaFleur isn't very fair.

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White92's picture

January 04, 2024 at 07:35 pm

La Fleur kept an inept ST coach throughout the 2021 season and it eventually cost the home playoff loss to SF. Media and fans had been howling for his removal throughout the season, but I suppose that isn't fair..

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Boneman's picture

January 02, 2024 at 05:06 am

"It is now clear beyond doubt that a change at defensive coordinator is needed, which could give a talented group of players, many of whom with significant draft pedigree, a chance to fulfill their potential."
This is the chalk narrative but isn't it possible that changing coordinators might not 'solve' anything? Why do we think these players are so talented? Rashan Gary went to the bank! To me he isn't even as good as Aiden Hutchinson, much less the top edge guys in the league that make plays every game. Savage? Campbell? Quay? Kenny? Jaire? Who is really playing at their draft pedigree ceiling? I'll tell you. it is Val and Bal, McDuffie and the old man Preston. Jaire had to get disciplined for lets face it) a bad attitude. Rasul got shipped out because he was not supporting the coaching staff.
I do think we need t change coordinators but lets not dream this will magically solve our defense problems.

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TKWorldWide's picture

January 02, 2024 at 06:25 am

To me, the most damning thing MLF said was the d was “making mistakes on day 1 installs”.
I took that to mean JB and staff never taught the stuff effectively. Crappy calls or not, mistakes will ruin ANY defense.

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Cubbygold's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:10 am

Sounds like the next DC needs to be an alpha, not only for these players but for MLF too. Need somebody in there that demands respect and sets the tone.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 02, 2024 at 12:42 pm

Pettine was an alpha. Big time.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 03, 2024 at 02:38 pm

Boneman, you are correct about magic not solving problems.

Right now, here's what our DC is going to start with on March 1:

5 good DL in Clark, Wyatt, Slaton, Brooks , Wooden.
Van Ness, Gary, Enagbare. Maybe Smith. That's good outside pressure.
Walker.
Alexander, Stokes, Valentine, Nixon, Johnson, Ballentine.....

Even with two more good DBs and excellent health and different coaching and schemes......we're still going to be short of what we need, IMO.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 03, 2024 at 04:04 pm

safety and an inside linebacker. wish we had a little more cap room for a vet in that scenario.

nonetheless, it seems doable.

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pantz_bURp's picture

January 02, 2024 at 08:54 am

The definition of success can be quite different for many people. I already deemed this season (sans the record) as a success BEFORE the season kicked off since we finally ripped the band-aid off and started the healing process. And needed to know what we had on the roster and the coaches acumen, etc. We had to...eventually.

Now, I don't claim to be the smartest guy in the asylum...but, I had a hand in the victory against the Vikings. You see, the week prior, I had an opportunity to go "scout" the Vikings-Lions' game. I couldn't help myself. Every time the jumbotron showed the scores of the various games going on...the only time the Vikings fans would boo was when the Packer vs Panthers' game score was shown.

I started out with a Go Pack Go chant that drew the ire of darn near every fan around me. They appeared to devise a plan to duct tape me shirtless to the nearest outdoor light post they could find. One hottie, at least seemed to be undressing me with her Bambi-like auburn eyes.

I digress...poor bastards

Pantz at a Glanze

**Question now, will this beautiful display of loyalty while going into hostile, enemy territory be enough for a nomination nod for Packer Fan of the Year 2024? We shall see...I will keep you informed, if I hear anything.

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Cubbygold's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:08 am

1 - yes 100% I am grateful for what this team has turned out to be. Packer fans had every right to be forced into enduring a stretch of poor performances, and yet here we are with a solid QB and tremendous upside at WR. Any other hopes in the near future is just icing on the cake.

2 - pack only being 3 point favorites at home this weekend is interesting. Says a lot about this defense.

3 - I don't know if luck is the right word, but GB is so lucky if they end up with a solid QB, tons of talent at WR and a RT and LT that they can plan for the future with. Their salary cap even post-69 coming off the books is not great, and that's before paying Love. This team has some big contracts on the books that they aren't getting their money's worth on. I really hope a new DC is the key to fixing that. But without all this young talent emerging, GB would be in a very tough spot cap wise in the next 3 years

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:31 am

I thought the line would be 4 or 4.5 with home field but the Bears have won 4 of 5 with the lone loss coming to a good Cleveland team 17-20. They also have been in every game since they played the Chargers in October.

If the Packers aren't ready to play a physical game and take the Bears best shot it will be a rewind of last year's Lions game. This is the Bears SB.

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Coldworld's picture

January 02, 2024 at 02:05 pm

The Bears have been running the ball well and often, between the tackles. The Vikings really had not. The Bears are no longer just relying on Fields but still exploiting teams that focus too hard between the tackles. In the air, Fields has been making more plays, mainly to Moore, but others too latterly. He Even Tonyan had 3 catches for 40 yards last week.

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4thand10's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:14 pm

Didn’t the pay love 20 mil, 2 yr already?Wasn’t that the deal this year? If so, won’t have to worry about paying him until 2025 before camp. And by then we’ll know what we have.

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SinceLombardi's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:21 am

I don’t think you should set the bar so low. Missing the playoffs mean two consecutive years of 8-9,losing a win and in to a division opponent.
And there are other factors:
The playoffs could have been locked up with two winnable games that were lost, to come back and fail again??
While it’s good to see Jordan Love play so well, let’s not forget.. it’s expected. He was a first round choice that they had to have. Yes some of the rookies have played extremely well this year. Some of the picks from the year before are not playing up to their draft status.
But more importantly this team needs to win at home in what is in essence a playoff game to avoid MLFs fourth consecutive loss in this type of game. Two blown #1s, last year’s win and in debacle too. We need to see this staff prove their competence under pressure, as much as we need to see it from the players.
If they lose to the Bears perhaps the season isn’t a total failure, but I would say the coaching staff deserves some SEVERE scrutiny… and I’m assuming already that Barry is gone.

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Cubbygold's picture

January 02, 2024 at 09:37 am

The conversation is always nuanced.

Have to incorporate the fact that $55M of salary cap is to guys that aren't playing on this team, along with another $25M to 69 and Stokes to basically not play this year. $80M of the $220M cap eaten up by what essentially amounts to a necessary rebuild year.

Throw in the injuries to Jaire, Jones and Campbell and this team has, at times, been playing with the equivalent of an Oakland Athletics budget.

Should they have beat the Giants? Yes. Should they be embarrassed to give up 30 points to the Panthers? Absolutely. Get a new DC? Of course.

But just because Love was picked in the first round doesn't mean he was a guaranteed stud, and for this offense to play this well at this age and experience level is tremendous. And that's likely on coaching as much as anything. Lots of success stories sprinkled in with some not so great coaching on the defensive side.

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Houndog's picture

January 02, 2024 at 11:15 am

Cubby,
"But just because Love was picked in the first round doesn't mean he was a guaranteed stud".
You're right, but you've got to keep in mind that Gutey does love taking guys in the 1st round that take 3-4 years to develop. He may have nailed it on Love!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 07:29 am

Bad O line play says offensive coaches get 0 accolades. Yes, MLF created some brilliant schemes and called some great sequences of plays. His failures as HC should be apparent by now, with his strengths at OC. He's not getting scrutinized with MM still in the building.

Absolutely no reason for JB to get a new contract.

Many other coaches need to go including Butkus, Vrable, TE, entire strength and conditioning staff

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bottlefliper's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:02 am

It was not MLF los the years befor it was mostly on the grumpy fellaw, who always lost when it counts.

AR was done after 2012 and it was all downhill from there. On and even more off the field.
He was all about him self and the couple of buddies he needed for his entertainment. He refused to throw to anyone he did not like and called it „trust issues“. He das low morals and his passiv aggressiv nonsense was hard to watch. He was a coward who sucked the joy out of football. Had more weapons than most other QBs over his carrer and made nothing out of it. He always lost wehn it counts and played like 5% oft he SC but earnd 30%. But is was never his fault. So he throw everyone else under the bus. Most oft he time not directly of course. He was a coward and Lombardi would have thrown him out in 2013. Got lucky MLF fixed him somehow and got him 2 MVPs.
Off the field he got total crazy from Chemtrials, to Dolphine sex to Ivermetin abuse. He hates common sense and moral and thinks he ist o smart to realise how dumb he really is. But what would you expect from a guy who asked Rogan for advice. Let sink that in…..
Great we got the joy of football back and I can even my kids let watch again. Kelce is much smarter and stronger in his little finger than AR ever was.

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13TimeChamps's picture

January 02, 2024 at 05:04 pm

Spell check is kind of like a turn signal on a car. Great when used...useless when not. Let that sink in.

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CanPackFan's picture

January 02, 2024 at 10:59 am

I agree and disagree with points made on the article: (1) The title suggests that this season is a success. If the objective of the season was to see if Love was the QB of the future, the answer is yes. With so many injuries to key offensive weapons, Love has continued to make this offense work. Imagine if it were Rodgers - he'd be complaining about the inexperience of the receivers for sure. And then he would come the facial expressions when things go wrong. You have to wonder how a man with so much talent survived with so little emotional intelligence? Love is certainly better than Rodgers in that regard.

(2) LaFleur looks good now because Love is on track. But is he the reason Love has developed? Some good play designs, for sure. But if we get real for a second, it's Tom Clements who has developed the skills of Love. In fact, I don't think LaFleur is good at coaching young players- nor is his staff generally. One good game does not change my opinion of LaFleur. And it certainly doesn't for Barry.

I just hope the Minnesota game doesn't give this coaching staff an inflated sense of themselves. They need to stick with the fundamentals of the Vikes game - aggression, stick with younger players that played well and keep your foot to the metal all game! Give Barry the 3 score lead he needs to have for us to win.

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Packerpasty's picture

January 02, 2024 at 04:34 pm

When a team has a chance to be in the playoffs and cant win their last game at Lambeau I wouldnt count the season as a success...this is the NFL..big boy league...its a chance to enter the playoffs and then who knows?? No matter how optimistic many are, no one knows how next season and Love will turn out...maybe it will be good game/bad game type of season, 500 or a little over...people flat line lets hope it doesnt happen but it is possible...the playoffs are right there just win..coaching staff better have a good game plan this isn't the Bears that Packers played at the start of the year...

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jIM tAYLOR WAS THE BEST's picture

January 02, 2024 at 05:54 pm

If they beat the Bears it is a success. They sure blew a lot of easy games. The Giants game all they needed were second half adjustments to sack the QB. They failed to do that. I just hope they have learned from the game.Fields is a lot better runner and they have a running back.The Vikes had no QB,no running back,and a bonehead coach. Fields is playing for a big contract and will be out to smoke the pPackers I susepct he is a Colin Kapernik. Colin smoked thePackers for 190 yards. Ofcourse Fields like Colin is a flash in the pan. A running QB is only good until he gets injured. RGB III comes to mind. I hope History does not repeat itself and there is a playoff game. However, the Barrydefense is a failure and we will see sadly whether they l;earned anything from the Giants game. WE do not need Jaire and Stokes. Jaire is unable to tackle because he is still not healthy. The backups did fine.We do not Devondre Campbell at LB. Trade Jaire and Campbell and reward the backups. They came to play and they are healthy. If Watson can go, do not pass to him, but use him as decoy and pas it to Kraft. Trade Watson as soon as possible. He is another VincentScanling, the Chiefs former Packer who drops the ball. Watson is unreliable,pass it to anyone but him.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 03, 2024 at 07:39 am

Trading Ja saves $3MM and leaves a cap hit of $24MM next year. Stokes is cheap. Giving away all your best players is not a winning strategy. Neither is playing them 85% of the snaps after coming back from extended injury, which is what GB did.

The Giants game, halftime adjustments were made. DeVito had answers for everything JB tried. He got outcoached.

Trading #9 would be stupid, he's a big upgrade over MVS. He doesn't cost much and is well worth a roster spot. He might even be good for more than 4 games next season. The biggest problem is JL10 trying to adjust to his speed, which is yet another reason Bo Melton should be used in the MVS role when #9 is out. Melton is even faster, and JL can maintain that connection.

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