The only contract that needs to cease is that of LaFleur. After 6 1/2 seasons on the same carousel of symptoms, add in that teams have now largely figured out what is essentially a cautious offense in front of the line of scrimmage. Let his contract expire and with that Stenavich’s and Butkus’s (already a year past it’s sell by date at least).

Clean house and let Hafley compete. We need a new broom, culture and a new offensive identity. Too many excuses for too long on resulting in the same symptoms. LaFleur is a coach who holds rosters back, not one who makes them more than they should be.

Time to end Groundhog Day in Green Bay. His best is just not getting better or good enough. Risk change or waste this roster and then watch our window close. LaFleur never has been a play calling genius or even an average tactical mind or motivator. We’ve got a century of games worth of evidence that conclusively gives the lie to the myth of offensive genius.

Lame balls all go to Matt LaFleur and cascade downwards from there.

The ship is listing badly and the Captain of the Titanic has no answers.

The biggest lame call was MLF deciding to go for it at 4th and 8 late in the game. It was a short FG. He should have taken the 3 points and then be down by 4.

In the end if everything played out as it did regulation would have ended in a tie.

The Packers are as inconsistent as my golf game.

Ya,but...golf is still fun...watching the Packers isn't.

Why is it that we Wisconsinites have to watch bad sports. From Wisconsin Badger football and basketball, the Bucks, the Brewers, now Packers...when will it ever end?

"absolutely dominate the line of scrimmage against a Packers defense that entered the league as the #3 run defense unit in the league"

Is this a good sign for a team facing the Eagles next week? All the same, the Panthers only had the ball for 58 plays to the Packers 68 (I think I'm remembering snap count correctly). The Packers need to find the endzone on offense and that will kind of help.

How did Carolina beat a team that didn't punt the whole game? Has anyone heard of this happening before in the NFL? Turn overs by fumble, interception and downs helps keep our special teams off the field.

I’ve been saying this for years to a cascade of dislikes: if you like getting 9-10 wins (12 if the schedule is really favorable) and sneak into the playoffs only to get your ass handed to you in the playoffs, then LaFleur is your man. If you want to be a serious contender, you better look elsewhere. His basement is full of participation trophies.

.... I dont mind losing... I really dont, but what is annoying is losing the same way over and over and over again and the coach coming in to say the same things over and over and over again... How many times does it have to happen to see maybe he just cant change?

The Love INT yesterday was one of the worst.

I dont even want to call Love a great QB, because it would make packers look bad. That would be almost 20 years of great QB with 1 Superbowl appearance.

Quick Question to packers fan - would you rather go to the playoffs 10 out of 15 years and not go to any superbowl or
Go to playoffs 5 out of 15 years and winning two? Because thats the case with us and Eagles and yet look " Ouuuuu we got 3 generation talants in a row at the qb position" YAYY. We have been to the same Superbowl appearance since 93 with 3 generational talent to this same recent Eagles team...

I dont exactly know what fixes the problem we have but we also dont have the solution in house!

Watch the Packers beat the Eagles-nothing surprises me about this team.

Anyway, I'm sticking to my gut feeling that they were hung over. Too many birthdays that weekend-Jordan Love Nov 2, Kraft, Nov 3, La Fleur Nov 3--add Halloween, youth, stir in some arrogance from the Steeler game, decide to take 'weaker' team for granted and voila. They had zero energy, bad reflexes, penalties galore, poor executive functioning-
(Love and MLF)

Yesterday's game was textbook LaFleur. His team was not emotionally ready to play; he was unable to adjust his gameplan in the face of a defense he didn't expect; and he made some bonehead decisions.

I've been fortunate to watch at some length three great coaches (Lombardi, Holmgren and Parcells (NYG)) and their teams. Very rarely were any of those teams not ready to play a game and they almost invariably took care of business against lesser teams. After seven years of watching LaFleur's teams it is obvious that the Packers play to the level of their opposition and are emotionally unready to compete in "meh" games. And that is directly attributable to the head coach and his coaching staff.

LaFleur tried to use the same lateral passing and deep bombs game that were so effective against the Steelers. Did he think the Panthers didn't see the game film from last week? The Panthers were ready for that plan and LaFleur had no answers. The few times the Packers tried mid-range passes they were successful, but LaFleur stubbornly stuck with his swing passes and bombs offensive plan and turned the ball over twice, was ineffective in the red zone, and lost the game.

The decision to go for it on fourth and eight rather than attempt a make-able field goal is inexcusable. You ALWAYS take the points. That has been a coaching maxim since the game was invented and yet LaFleur decided he had a better idea. This is not winning football.

LaFleur is a decent coach but I do not believe he will ever be a championship coach. I don't want Marty Schottenheimer, I want Lombardi or Holmgren.

This team is a team of questions and I think it is more about the coaching/composition. I don't know how a Panther O-line, with all there injuries can execute at such a high level and we struggle with the 5 or 6 starters to generate any consistency. The errors at center and guard persist and the coach continues to make them the focal point of the offense. We should be getting more out of this offensive talent for 4 quarters but it seems unlikely that it'll happen from week to week. Lafleur is in trouble not because he lost this game but because he is failing to recognize and correct the coaching of this team

There are no game balls to pass out, except for Watson/Jacobs and that's barely. The rest of the team including LaFluzy all get a deflated lame ball. LaFluzy completely bombed this game, not to mention the prep for this game. He shouted after the Steelers game, "VICTORY MONDAY!" What's he shouting today? LOSER MONDAY? WE SUCK MONDAY? WE GONNA GET CREAMED BY THE EAGLES ON NEXT MONDAY? WE ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT MONDAY? OUR UNIFORMS SUCKED AS BAD AS WE PLAYED MONDAY? That's why they lost! Those uniforms were putrid. They looked like someone crapped all over them. Hey, that's what the Panthers did. Please put them in the next bonfire. PackerNation is not having a good Monday today. Can't you tell?

I have to agree with many of the posters who feel it's too much "same old, same old". Errors that continue to repeat themselves week after week have to reflect as much on the coaches as the players. The tested definition of insanity is expecting different results by doing the same thing over and over. That's the Green Bay Packers. Coaches and players alike need to put themselves under the microscope.

Biggest blunder was MLF deciding to go for it at 4th and 8 from the 13 with more than 8 minutes left. Evan trailing by 7, taking the 3 points is a clear no brainer. 4th and 3 or less, ok, but 4th and 8? c'mon. MLF said it was a bad decision in the postgame. (so why did you choose it?) At least try to defend your decision with an explanation.
When trailing he panics and gets desperate instead of making the best strategic decision. I think ever since he kicked the FG on 4th and goal from the 8 in the the 2020 NFCC game, he has choosen to go for it. In the NFCC they were trailing by 8 points with under 5 minutes. Very different case.

No mention of the OL, again?
Did I watch a different game than everyone else?

I have a feeling when the "2nd viewing" breakdowns come out later today and tomorrow, there's going to be a LOT of talk about pass pro failures.

No Lame Call for Matt Lafleur. Really? After this game?

Is Kalani Jones actually Lafleur's Cheesehead TV screen name?

The only good thing about the game was that I was unable to watch it. MLF is unable to correct the continuing mistakes that are made by the team. No way no how should we have loss this game. What’s really scary is how dominant an offensive line could be with several back up players. The Eagles have to be to licking their chops and cannot wait for next week. I know injuries are part of the game, but suck it up and play the game, accept for Kraft blowing out his knee. Give me a break, a stinger, put a harness on it and play the game. I’m to old school when it comes to playing in pain. Yes, I did play with pain because I LOVED the competition and the game, sorry if this offends anybody.

Also, Andy Reid sucks.
What has he done lately?
Yesterday they lost to the Bills.
Oh, and his playcalling sucks too. They went for it on 4th down and Mahomes’ pass was batted away, incomplete.
What more evidence do we need??

We have a defensive line filled with first round draft choices...two of them in Parsons, Lucas Van Ness, Devonte Wyatt, and Rashan Gary. We may have drafted underachievers and/or we have coaches who are not doing the job to get them to play up to their number one draft status. With the injuries that the Panthers had on their offensive line, I expected the Packers defensive front to absolutely destroy that team. It appears that I wasn't alone on that one since "The Experts" listed the Packers as a 13 point favorite which was the largest spread yesterday. It's all disappointing and I'm tired of our head coach giving us the same old drivel time after time.

This is a classic example of why I don't follow the numbers freaks who drool over stats to determine outcomes. The only outcome that matters is the final score.

Love, Jacobs and others had decent statistical games but overall the offense was out of sync....again. But for me the interior of the defense was like a piece of Swiss cheese. One TV shot near the end of the game showed a wide gap between the Packers end and tackle. Normally this spot is filled with a linebacker. None was on the screen. The line opened a huge hole and no linebacker was around. resulting in a big, critical, negative gain. Just one play but that should never happen, especially at the pro level.
Here's what I think:

1) Other teams have figured out MLF's offense and Hafley's defense. This is what happened late in Mike McCarthy's time in Green Bay. I remember a commentator, a retired defensive back, telling viewers what play was coming because they had figured out MM offense when he was playing. The same issue might be happening with MLF. Hafley's genius defense is starting to show some real holes. Some are player related but teams seem to be onto the Packers attack. Rico Dowdle looked like the return of Jim Brown on offense. The Panthers makeshift line was opening huge holes for hiim.

2)It was clear Carolina's players wanted this game more.

3)After I watched the Bills and Chiefs I realized the Packers, no matter what they've done to improve the team, likely could not beat either team in a Super Bowl.

Packers (someone, please) need to bring in reinforcements for the Run game (Stenavich), the OL (Butkus) and MLF
***We know he won't fire these under-performers***

Last offseason I remember being very alarmed that MLF made zero attempts to hire better coaches nor an Offensive mind to help him with his many blind spots in play design/in-game adjustments. He could have formed a competent committee (if he didn't want to do it) to search colleges, winning teams, etc for those who could have augmented his very lackluster staff., Butkus, Stenavich, Bisaccia, Hackett, Getsy. I hate to say this, but I think he is very insular and does not seem to know what he doesn't know. He lacks curiosity.
Look at how they 'searched' for a QB coach-they had one outside interview and then decided on an unknown, unproven 2nd string QB who was already on the team. Love's remains inconsistent, feels it is OK to chuck up the ball, has poor footwork and the beat goes on.
MLF is very pedestrian and does not or cannot take advantage of winning formulas.

Was at the Texas BBQ festival and didn't see the game. Thankful for that!
Sounds like they played like they practiced.....I've brought it up before, and really seems the most logical thing. They lack a focus because they haven't been drilled in that weeks practice session.
JMHO

Last week all the talk was how Jordan Love "arrived".

Where ever it was he "arrived" from, he went back there yesterday.

One would think after all his development time and now starting time there would be more good consistencies developing and solidifying in his play. Fewer errant passes into double and triple coverage, better long ball accuracy, fewer hospital balls, just all around better decision making. I thought we were starting to see it this season. Then again, nah. Yesterday it seemed like the read progression was - where's Doubs. Plenty of times us tube watchers seen open guys elsewhere. I get it, things are happening at such a rapid pace that it is easier to see after the fact from the bar stool or couch. But there were some obvious ones.

MLF is really taking his hits here so I'll give some grace and compliment him where I can. He sure knows how to work a beard trimmer. That he does.

I was listening to the Carolina broadcasters who where questioning why the Packers were running so much, taking time off the clock, when they got the ball on their 42 yard line with 2:20 left in the first half. They were very surprised the GB offense was not trying to save time and drive for a TD before halftime as 2 minutes from near midfield is a lot of time. This is a reflection of the Packers’ coach in the area of time management that he is weak at based on his “play to not lose” approach.

This was a gut punch for sure. One of the worst! I became clinically depressed when I heard Tucker Kraft (the best TE in the league) is likely lost for the season. This morning I had to remind myself that this is just a game and there are other things more important in life than football. That said, this was a tough one for the players, coaches, and the fans. The best medicine will be a win against Philly next week. GPG

I'd just like to say, thanks to all above for saying what I've been saying for a few years now, and that by Thursday, as usual, the majority of you will be finding praise about this team, and MLF, once again ignoring what was witnessed and said until the next loss that never should have been.

The Packers played as their uniforms looked...like crap. (those uniforms are UGLY)

And the LaFleur led Packers again played down to the competition. It was another FAFO game. The Lambeau Field home field advantage has vanished again.

The team energy on the field was similar to the Packers vs Cardinals Dec. 2018 game at Lambeau...all with the opposition. Even the Panther sideline reminded me of the December stinker that got McCarthy fired a few hours later. Panther players were all excited and encouraging...Packers sideline was quiet...seemingly just waiting for the Panthers to fold so they could get off the field.

It could be the Panthers are not terrible...but an NFC team talented enough to compete and win every game. They now have as many wins as the Packers.

It could be the 2-0 start was not the "domination" Packer fans expected. The Commanders are now walking down the NFC basement steps and the Lions have 3 rather eyebrow raising losses.

Enjoy at least one more week with the Packer atop the North.

Sorry, Kilani, no game balls today. Best I can do is ONE piece of Halloween candy.
Give them Luke Musgrave, who proved he can play after Kraft went out. (We are gonna need him to step up if K's out long term, which I heard he will be.) Another to Jacobs, who always gets E for effort. Doubs gets one, too. He's become WR1
Nobody of Defense. To paraphrase Pink Floyd: "How are you gonna get any candy if you don't eat your meat?" The meat was SUPPOSED to be a Panther offense that coulldn't pass, so all you had to do was stop the run. And how did that work out? They ran all over us AND
put on an efficient passing offense.
So, in the end almost everybody deserves a rock in their basket. Are we a Charlie Brown team?
The Szotman

there was a third and 3 and love threw a pass 3 yards behind the line, if MLF called that Love has to grow some balls and run what he thinks will work, time for Love to step up and lead this team.

the problem with a run first offense working for the Packers is that if that is how your offense is built is that you cant get your offense to continue to get first downs if you continue to commit penalties.

Kraft and Jacobs are the leaders not the over-paid Love and Gary.

Kraft should take the time to heal. He doesn't have to carry the team emotionally right now-let someone else step up. The team and coaches already over-relied on him.

This team needs a change at centre. Elgeton Jenkins is a flop at centre. He was a very good guard. Bring in a decent centre and move Jenkins to guard and two positions improve.
Metro Matt la Fleur needs to grow up as a coach...it's like a dysfunctional family with the dad wanting to be a cool kid.

MLF's presser doesn't strike me as a guy who really understands or cares that this team is underprepared and outcoached, inconsistent and making shornic mistakes game after game.. His whole comportment is summed up by a shrug of the shoulders and a petulant tone when answering questions, the implication that he is not to blame for any of the aforementioned gaffes, but also, a coach who doesn't feel any pressure to perform nor any consequences when the team he is responsible for doesn't. He is NOT an NFL Head Football Coach. As an OC, sure, great; he has proven time and again he hasn't lost the plot, he has never had it. This is the truth about the MLF tenure: he will win just enough games to keep everyone hoping that the next game will be different.