Packers Snap Counts Vs. The Broncos: Week 7 of 2023

Two evenly-matched teams met to determine which was the worst in the NFL.

 

The Packers activated Eric Stokes from the PUP list and released Justin Hollins again to make room.  Jaire Alexander, Devondre Campbell and possibly Zayne Anderson (hamstring) were inactive due to injury.  Malik Heath and Caleb Jones were healthy scratches.  Sean Clifford was active but did not play.  The Packers did not elevate anyone from the practice squad. 

Stokes left the game after one snap on STs with a hamstring injury.  Darnell Savage apparently reinjured his calf in a non-contact situation.  Wyatt left the game and did not return.  Luke Musgrave left the game after a big hit that earned an unnecessary roughness penalty and did not return.  

 

Player Snaps % STs
Walker 64 100 4-16%
Runyan 64 100 4-16%
Tom 64 100  
Jenkins 64 100  
Myers 60 94 1-4%
Nijman 4 6 9-36%
Rhyan     3-12%
Newman     4-16%

 

The Packers were able to run the ball.  The running backs gained 50 yards on 9 carries in the first half, a 5.56-yard average.  Adding in 2 carries from Love and Wicks for 5 yards increases the yards to 53 and drops the average to 4.4-yards per carry.  For the game, the Packers gained 137 yards on 29 carries, good for a 4.7-yard average.

There still are problems with the zone stretch calls and the inside zone calls for that matter.  The average was good, but the Packers were not able to actually gain first downs by pounding the ball with the running game.  They either were too inconsistent or made a mistake.  Running plays designed to go wide are susceptible to negative plays as opponents always seem to have defenders on the Packers side of the line of scrimmage while usually holding the edge.  The pass protection was generally good as the line allowed just 3 quarterback hits and no sacks. 

Myers left the game for four snaps and then returned for the rest of the game.  Tom moved to center and Nijman played right tackle.  Those four plays consisted of the Wicks pass across the field to Aaron Jones fo 14 yards, an incomplete pass intended for Aaron Jones, a run off left guard for 6 yards by Dillon, and an incomplete pass to Doubs on 3rd and 4 at the Denver 11 yard line.  While I would have liked to have seen that line configuration play more snaps, the sample size is just too small for me to say positively that it was a better line, given it included 2 incomplete passes and a trick play.  It was a pretty solid run, and that has been an issue for the Packers.

Jenkins had a holding call that negated a nice gain by Love on a scramble.  That said, I think the hold was what sprung Love for the gain in the first place.  Jenkins was in pass protection, mirroring the defender, when Love pulled it down and started to run.  It would be tough to prevent the defensive tackle from moving laterally to squeeze the hole without holding.  I was not bothered very much by the penalty.

 

Player Snaps % STs
Dillon 36 56 6-24%
Jones 23 36  
Wilson 5 8 2-8%

AJ Dillon ran hard, broke a tackle or two, and seemed to pick the right running lane.  Dillon gained 61 yards on 15 carries for a 4.1-yard average.  He added 2 receptions on 2 targets for 34 more yards, including a 29-yard reception.  His pass protection was good, as well.  Dillon looked like a dependable number two running back.  Aaron Jones gained 35 yards on 8 carries for a 4.4-yard average, while adding 23 yards on 3 receptions.  He was able to gain positive yards on plays that did not look all that promising initially.  Emanuel Wilson had carries of 14 and 5 yards, though the 14 yard gain was the final play in the first half with 5 seconds remaining from Green Bay's own 25 yard line.  

 

Player Snaps % STs
Musgrave 43 67 9-36%
Kraft 32 50 11-44%
Deguara 17 27 17-68%
Sims 4 6 6-24%

 

Musgrave caught 4 of his 5 targets for 30 yards, a 7.5-yard average with a long of 18.  He seemed to know when the ball was going to be snapped, which was an issue for him in the last game.  Deguara had no receptions, but he threw a nice block in combination with a pulling Runyan to spring Dillon for a longer run.  He then had a false start.  Sims had 1 reception for 2 yards on a short pass into the flat, but it was good for a first down.  Kraft threw at least a couple of good blocks.  Still, that is a lot of snaps for no targets.  Like Rasheed Walker, it appears that the Packers are committed to developing Kraft and are less concerned about immediate benefit.

 

Player Snaps % STs
Love 64 100  
Clifford DNP    

Love completed 21 of 31 attempts (67.7%) for 180 yards (8.57 yards/rec and 5.8 yards/attempt) with 2 TDs and 1 interception.  His passer rating was 90.8.  The Packers threw short a lot, especially in the first half, during which Love completed 10 of 13 passes for 47 yards, a dismal 3.62 yards per attempt, with no TDs or INTs.  His 10 completions in the first half went for -2, 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 8, 14.  That is not going to cut it in today's NFL.  Green Bay's first three possessions were 3 plays for 8 yards and a punt, 5 plays for 11 yards and a punt, and 6 plays for 20 yards and a punt (helped by two offside penalties on Denver).  

Love's second half numbers were11 of 18 for 133 yards, (7.39-yards/att) with 2 TDs and 1 INT.    One of Love's TD passes was a turnover-worthy throw and the interception was a wounded duck.  There were a few deeper completions outside the numbers to Watson and Musgrave, but the middle of the field was generally clogged up with defenders.  The linebackers aren't paying much attention to the play action.  

 

Player Snaps % STs
Watson 56 88  
Doubs 52 81  
Reed 31 48 1-4%
Wicks 14 22  
Toure 7 11  
       

The Packers played 2.5 wide receivers per play on average, a little less than usual.  Still, that is a lot of snaps for 180 passing yards.  Other than passes into the flats and the like (passes the defense is not overly concerned about), there wasn't much to write home about.  I do not think the receivers are doing Jordan Love many favors.  Watson caught 3 of 5 targets for 27 yards with a long of 23, Reed 3 of 4 for 21, Doubs 2 of 5 for 30, Wicks 1 of 1 for 17, and Toure 1 of 2 for 3 yards.  There doesn't seem to be very many slants or vertical seam routes attacking the intermediate and deep middle.  

 

Player Snaps % STs
Clark 49 83 6-24%
Slaton 34 58 10-40%
Brooks 26 44 8-32%
Wooden 19 32  
Wyatt 10 17  

Denver gained 145 rushing yards on 25 carries for a 5.8-yard average.  The Packers only played 2.34 true defensive linemen per play on average.  Still, that is too many yards allowed with far too healthy of an average.  The DL had no tackles for loss, no quarterback hits and did not get much push.  Russell Wilson was able to step up or escape when the outside linebackers got pressure.  Wooden had 3 tackles (2 solo) and Brooks had 2 solo tackles.  Wyatt had 2 tackles (1 solo) and Slaton had one solo tackle.  Kenny Clark had no statistics.

 

Player Snaps % STs
Walker 59 100 6-24%
Smith 42 71 1-4%
Gary  40 68  
McDuffie 39 66 13-52%
Enagbare 18 31 12-48%
Van Ness 16 27 7-28%
Wilson 8 14 15-60%
Cox 3 5 2-8%
Welch     13-52%

McDuffie led the Packers with 10 tackles (7 solo).  He is a decent backup.  Quay Walker had 5 tackles (4 solo) and 2 tackles for loss, while Eric Wilson added 1 assisted tackle.  This defense misses and healthy Devondre Campbell. 

There was some pressure, but Green Bay needed more than it got.  Rashan Gary had 3 tackles (2 solo) and a quarterback hit.  Pro Football Focus credited Gary with "an absurd pass-rush win rate of 40.5%."   That said, Russell Wilson remains elusive and dangerous on the move, and he was able to step up or roll out to foil Gary's efforts.  Wilson completed 20 of 29 passes, but 6 were throwaways.  On passes with an intended target, Russell Wilson was 20 of 23.  Preston Smith did draw a holding penalty on LT Garrett Bolles (as Mike Wahle suggested in his podcast might happen) but he and Gary never met at the quarterback.  Smith did have 2 tackles (1 solo) including the only sack of Russell Wilson.  Enagbare had 2 assisted taclkes and a QB hit.  Van Ness and Cox had no statistics.  

 

Player Snaps % STs
Douglas 59 100 10-40%
Valentine 59 100 3-12%
Ford 59 100 3-12%
Nixon 43 73 17-68%
Owens 32 54 17-68%
Savage 30 51 3-12%
Johnson 4 7 11-44%
Leavitt     15-60%
Stokes     4-16%
       

 

Valentine had 8 tackles (7 solo).  He gave up the 33-yard completion to Courtland Sutton, but I thought it was very good coverage and just a better throw.  However, Valentine gave up other completions, and indeed, he was picked on by Russell Wilson, especially on third downs.  Ford had 7 tackles (4 solo).  Rasul Douglas had 5 tackles (3 solo, including a tackle for loss), and turned in a quality performance.  Nixon had 2 tackles (1 solo) but also gave up some completions.  Savage and Owens each had a solo tackle.  That is a lot of snaps for Owens for the second straight game, and again his name was called often.

 

SPECIAL TEAMS:

Whelan punted 3 times for a 51.7 gross-yard average and a 48.0-yard net.  He had two punts inside the 20 and a third pulled rolled into the end zone.  Anders Carlson made two extra pointers, a 29 yarder and missed wide left from 43.  The snap and hold appeared to be good.  The Packers lost by 2 points.

 

WR: 2.50

RB: 1.00

TE: 1.50 ( a big number, especially considering the quality of the TEs)

DL: 2.34

ILB: 1.80

OLB: 2.02

DB: 4.85

 

Photo courtesy of Ron Chenoy of USA Today Sports

 

 

 

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Comments (31)

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 23, 2023 at 06:26 am

Directly after watching this game, I decided it would be apropos to clean my toilet. With the extra adrenaline, it was very efficient, as that puppy is gleaming. Gleaming, I tell you.

I also made the mistake of watching Philly-Miami. I watched Philly run little bubble screens to TE Goedtert for TDs and substantial gains, and thought that there is no reason Musgrave couldn't do the exact same thing (other than the rest of the offensive personnel and scheme differences!). The plays seemed crisper and even the passes to the flat (4 yards for Musgrave and 2 for Sims - I guess that's the difference between a 2nd rounder and a UDFA) looked better run.

Miami ran loads of motion and misdirection without messing up the timing all the time. Philly has so many good players and is so fundamentally sound that Miami's noise didn't work all that well. Of course, Tyreek Hill got to the edge a few times.

The GB OL is 4 JAGS and an above average RT. The WRs and TEs are so young. I hoped Watson would be a legitimate #1, but he is a big play guy only, not a volume, move-the-chains guy. Lot of routes run in this game without nearly enough to show for it. The DL sure looks like 3 JAGS and a couple of rookies.

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BruceC1960's picture

October 23, 2023 at 10:33 am

Somehow the Watson for Jonathon Taylor talk doesn’t seem so silly?

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 23, 2023 at 09:24 pm

Wahle had some zingers in today's game breakdown. My favorite was him saying something to the effect of most TEs playing volleyball in college.

He also points out the Packers D in nickel when the Broncos have an extra tackle and two TEs in the game. 🙄

https://youtu.be/BGCOrzmjC-c?si=Pi08I48Wf_NEWSWW

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Tundraboy's picture

October 23, 2023 at 10:33 pm

I made the mistake of watching the Ravens game beforehand. Then again it reminded me of what great coaching looks like. And how far we have to go.

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Cheezehead72's picture

October 23, 2023 at 06:27 am

Please answer a question for me. From what I have read Wicks had the highest separation rate in the NFL going into this game. Why is he playing only 22% of the offensive plays? What a new young QB needs is opportunities to complete passes. Am I missing something?

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Minniman's picture

October 23, 2023 at 02:17 pm

CH72 - when you go back and look at the all-22 this year, you see lots of guys open..... but yes, Wicks seems to be open a lot.

On a slightly different note -

Andy Herman tweeted a link to an analysis of that final intercept. Jordan Love seems to have missed the Rodgers mantra of "my guy or no guy" for the deep ball, and yes, at least 2 other players open on that throw (along with poor mechanics to even make a long throw).

...... and finally, is Samori Toure, with his 4.48 speed, the right guy on the team to be running the go routes?

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SinceLombardi's picture

October 23, 2023 at 06:33 am

We are the Get Right Packers. Ouch

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tobinrote's picture

October 23, 2023 at 06:33 am

does anyone notice that Musgrave seems to stumble all the time; in his first three steps he always has one where his foot seems to catch the turf.

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NickPerry's picture

October 23, 2023 at 06:37 am

LOL...I KNOW!!

This dude trips every time!!!

I'm really not laughing out loud...I'm crying!!

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egbertsouse's picture

October 23, 2023 at 07:38 am

He must be watching film of Jace Sternberger.

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PeteK's picture

October 23, 2023 at 08:02 am

Also, his blocking is awful, just hit someone instead of falling too short at their feet. I thought they did run a TE screen to Musgrave, but Denver read it. All in all ,he is becoming a good offensive weapon and will improve his overall game.

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NickPerry's picture

October 23, 2023 at 06:36 am

This has NOTHING to do with "Snap Counts" but I'm actually feeling bad for some of the things I said about Aaron Rodgers this spring. I still think he's a bit of a jackass but what he had to put up with under MLF...GOOD GOD!

The "Silos" came into effect in 2018, MLF and much of this staff in 2019 and he managed to win 2 MVPs, go to 2 NFCCGs and made the Playoffs every year but 2022 IN SPITE of Matt LaFleur.

Hey Rodgers IMO was a bit of a strange fella, but God Damn look at what he was up against. A Team President who reminds me of Goofy, the Disney character. A GM who is a GM in name ONLY. And a HC who was OBVIOUSLY carried each and every successful step of the way.

MLF is a BUM. His staff with the exception of Bisaccia are BUMS. If Gute ever drafted a "Football Player" and not a RAS Score they'd may have something. The problem is I have NO IDEA who is talented anymore and who can just run fast in spandex.

I mean taking Rodgers away has made Christian Watson look like an UDFA and he was pretty good as a rookie once he got healthy. This is ALL on MLF, this staff, and Mark "Were Not Idiots" Murphy.

Umm Mark, you ARE a fucking idiot!!

Sorry TGR... Nice article as usual.

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PeteK's picture

October 23, 2023 at 08:05 am

Stop betting on games and take TGR's advice and go clean your toilet.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 23, 2023 at 10:41 am

No worries. Half the time a tangential comment leads to a lot of interest. I gave AR a pass in 2022 because I thought Lazard was a #3 and Cobb a nice #4. I thought Tonyan had lost a step but was okay as a #2 TE. I suspect that the WRs and TEs are not as ready, that is, not as good at this point in their careers, and the receivers AR had.

That said, AR unleashed some dimes in most of his games last year. Love's inaccuracy is giving me some pause, and I really wish GB had more time to evaluate him and improve his supporting cast (i.e. the O-line) so as to allow his supporting cast (WRs and TEs) to mature and improve.

11 games to go, so let's see how it goes.

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egbertsouse's picture

October 23, 2023 at 07:37 am

Eric Stokes lasted only one play before being injured. He has now been officially awarded the “Kevin King Whirlpool Warrior Award.

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Tundraboy's picture

October 23, 2023 at 10:38 pm

Only the Packers it seems. It made me wonder why they of all teams threw Stokes right in there. Normally they go slow to a fault. They can't even be consistent with the injuries.

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T7Steve's picture

October 23, 2023 at 07:43 am

MLF, "Gee, I don't know what went wrong, I'll have to watch the game."

Same O-line. Same results. Go figure.

Not blaming a D that gives up less than 20 points in today's NFL. Could they be better? Sure. But for a banged-up unit, you can't ask for more even though they weren't playing a juggernaut. If the O would have produced, they would have looked better.

Thanks, TGR.

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Minniman's picture

October 23, 2023 at 02:34 pm

In direct response to your post, the O-line wasn't stellar, but also weren't complete turnstiles. If I had to pinpoint one really bad area it was the peripheral blocking by TE's, RB's and WR's...... maybe this is on MLF for placing such a high expectation on them

With regards to sorting out the game rhythm, MLF should really start with eradicating the penalties (i.e. football fundamentals).

Evidence 1:
TE having a false start penalty on a 3rd and short on the opposition goal line, turning it into a 3rd and 8 - coach killer!

Evidence 2:
Successive penalties in the lead up to that final interception putting the Packers at 3rd and 20 (!!!!!) for that final interception - coach killer

Evidence 3:
Karlson's missed FG, a missed edge blocking assignment meant that he got rushed on that one and had to kick a tick earlier than planned - resulting in the pushed left kick.

If those things got tidied up, then the Packers would have been comfortable winners of this match.

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Coldworld's picture

October 23, 2023 at 08:54 am

The issues continue to be the same. The OL is a complete mess in terms of personnel. There is no way we aren’t better with Myers out or Nijman in. Improve the OL and keep cleaner pockets and at the same time run blocking in the middle and edge and this team improves. It’s that simple.

The lack of crossing/slant routes is baffling for a number of reasons. One not mentioned is that it’s where Watson is at his best, but it’s also where Reed, Toure, Wicks have done their best. Why would you not play to that strength.

Finally, if we are going to throw long, at least send 2 deep so the deep defenders can’t abandon the rest of the field early. One deep is effective only as a surprise play, but that’s not happening against deep shell Ds that we are seeing late in the game when we need to score.

There’s a lot of rookie errors certainly, but the entire team is dysfunctional in its approach and usage. Sorry, after two byes and smoke time to self scout, the response is as clear a concession of a coaching staff that’s in disarray and devoid of coherence.

Fire LaFleur, until then, expect nothing different.

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T7Steve's picture

October 23, 2023 at 09:13 am

"Fire LaFleur, until then, expect nothing different."

What? You want to give up continuity? HA!

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MooPack's picture

October 23, 2023 at 09:16 am

Yes.

This in particular:
"The lack of crossing/slant routes is baffling for a number of reasons. One not mentioned is that it’s where Watson is at his best, but it’s also where Reed, Toure, Wicks have done their best. Why would you not play to that strength."

I, and a few others, have mentioned this same thing for a while. It's been going on for years now. I would like to hear the media start to question this very thing.

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dobber's picture

October 23, 2023 at 10:23 am

They got a different OL alignment for, what, 4 snaps? On the second snap, Nijman was driven back into 10 forcing an INT. I would've been tempted to give them a little more run than that, though.

TE snaps are up, which likely means they're getting more serious about trying to grind the football. I'm hoping they go to more 2 RB sets if Musgrave misses time. Their use of Jones is mind-boggling...unless they're trying to show he can play, but don't want to expose him to injury, so they can deal him. Seems unlikely with his cap hit.

More and more, I think Wicks is showing he deserves to be on the field...if Watson's injury costs him time, he'll get those snaps.

Packers finished with 5 preferred starters on defense off the field (Campbell, Wyatt, Alexander, Stokes, Savage). That's been a theme week-to-week: losing player-games to injury.

Enagbare had a real nice camp, but hasn't been that player since the games started to count. Van Ness is starting to eat into his snaps.

Gary: pay da man!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 23, 2023 at 11:08 am

I'll have to find a place I can look at those 4 snaps. The second play was an incompletion to A. Jones, not an INT.

A trade of Jones does not reduce GB's salary cap space for 2023. They would take $12M and change dead in 2024, but still get $4.8M in cap savings. So, I don't understand that portion of your comment. Offense has been hard to come by this year; it looks so much better with Jones playing and healthy. It is already a little hard to evaluate Love with such a poor supporting cast.

I am inclined to think GB has the worst receiving group (WRs and TEs) in the NFL, notwithstanding PFF grades. I like the talent but some of them are not ready yet. I went back and forth about that prior to the season with Bmore on APC, a pretty smart guys. I thought Watson and/or Doubs might blossom this year but neither looks much different to me other than fewer drops this year. Again saw 3 WRs end up in the same small area which I do not believe is the way those were drawn up.

GB is clearly developing Rasheed Walker and Tucker Kraft for 2024 while taking it on the chin for 2023.

Wicks has a pretty good arm. I agree that he should get more snaps - I assume you meant at WR and not QB!

I'd like to see more rub routes.

Thanks for commenting.

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T7Steve's picture

October 23, 2023 at 11:22 am

"Again saw 3 WRs end up in the same small area which I do not believe is the way those were drawn up."

I'm starting to wonder, it seems to happen too much.

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The_Justicar's picture

October 23, 2023 at 12:59 pm

I agree that the WR and TE group is an issue, not necessarily talent but….I have never seen a group of pass catchers on one team be so young. Not counting Degoura who is playing H back and more full back, two rookie tight ends getting majority of snaps. All WRs are rookies or 2nd year players. That is just too young for the NFL, especially as most rookies don’t make it.

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Minniman's picture

October 23, 2023 at 02:54 pm

"Wicks has a pretty good arm. I agree that he should get more snaps - I assume you meant at WR and not QB!"

I know that most purists dismiss those plays as gimmicks, but I personally love them. The amount of the field that a play like that opens up should not be discounted.... Anything that keeps a defense honest is a win.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 24, 2023 at 05:40 am

Guys still running the wrong routes really points to the need to simplify things and what better time than the bye. There's no way the coaches aren't noticing that on film. The one thing you can say about the youngsters is they're athletic. Pick the 5 or 10 plays that take advantage of that and make sure they know their assignments. Seems like LaFleur went with I'll outsmart the other guy.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 24, 2023 at 11:08 am

okay. Nijman's 4 snaps. Watched Mike Wahle's On My Block on youtube. He mentioned that Nijman got crunched in pass pro causing Love to throw incomplete to Jones. Then Wahle showed the 6-yard run which went well despite Nijman's not so great run blocking efforts. I didn't find snap one or four.

So, not so great on Nijman's part. What to do then? IDK.

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joejetson's picture

October 23, 2023 at 12:38 pm

It's hard to evaluate Love when the offensive line is breaking down consistently. He appears to me to be hearing footsteps and not progressing through his reads completely. The INT looked like he was throwing off his back foot rather than stepping into the throw. That's why it hung up and gave the safety time to close and make the INT. That's a bad habit that a decent coaching staff would address. So don't expect it to be corrected.

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jhtobias's picture

October 23, 2023 at 02:05 pm

In 2005 we went 4 and 12 which was fine new managment new attitude was coming in. The problem with going 2 and 15 this yr is will still be left with the 4 stoges until 2025 murphy lafluer gute and barry .

Dont care about losing this team the worst coached team offensivley and defense in the nfl bar none. Clown show with clown ansewers .

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BAMABADGER's picture

October 23, 2023 at 04:14 pm

“While I would have liked to have seen that line configuration play more snaps, the sample size is just too small for me to say positively that it was a better line, given it included 2 incomplete passes and a trick play. It was a pretty solid run, and that has been an issue for the Packers.”

I was sorry that Myer was injured for one series of 4 snaps, but would have liked to have seen the line combination with Tom at Center get a longer look. Tom appeared more comfortable snapping in the gun. One of the best runs up the middle was with him as center. Tom moves quicker, more fluid and appears every bit a strong as Myers. His football IQ is strong.

Adversity often opens up a positive outcome which needs to be recognized and further explored. MLF just can’t see what is obvious. He is proving to be a lacking offensive play caller and a worse HC.

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