Packers Snap Counts Vs. Pittsburgh: Week 8, 2025

Jordan Love puts the team on his back to carry them to a win, with help from Tucker Kraft.

 

The Packers activated WR Christian Watson from injured reserve.  They released TE Ben Sims to make room on the roster for Watson.  The Packers elevated DE Aron Mosby from the PS for the second time this season.  DE Lucas Van Ness (foot), DT Warren Brinson (hamstring), and Dontayvion Wicks (calf) were inactive due to injury.  OL Donovan Jennings, OL Jacob Monk, and Kicker Lucas Havrisik were healthy scratches.  QB Malik Willis and CB Kamal Hadden were active but did not play.

 

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN:

Player Snaps % STs
Jenkins 64 100 7/21%
Banks 64 100 7/21%
Tom 63 98 6/18%
Walker 62 97 7/21%
Rhyan 35 55 7/21%
Morgan 29 45 7/21%
Belton 2 3  
Kinnard 1 2 7/21%

 

The Packers gained 94 yards on 26 carries, a 3.62-yard average with 1 rushing TD.  They could only muster 19 yards on 7 carries (2.71-yards/carry) in the first half.  They gained 75 yards on 19 carries in the second half, good for a 3.94-yard average, and that is what they did while Jordan Love was completing 20 consecutive passes.  It turns out that after getting stuffed while trying the middle Jacobs has the speed to bounce it outside and beat the defenders to the corner of the end zone.  The notion that the Packers acquired some beef in free agency and in th draft that would enable them to lean on opponents is slowly fading.  For context, PFF credited the Steelers with 16 run stops (with Cameron Heywood and JT Watt having 4 and 3 stops, respectively), while the Packers had 9 stops.  The Steelers had a 5.16-yard average per carry to the Packers' 3.6-yard average.    

The pass protection was good.  The line allowed 5 quarterback hits and zero sacks.  It was not perfect, and Love showed his ability to elude the rush and make plays outside the pocket, but for the most part Love had sufficient time.  Jordan Morgan got the start at right guard but he rotated with Sean Rhyan.  Both players look capable in pass protection and neither appears to provide answers in the run game.

PFF liked Jordan Morgan (82.2 grade) and Tom (81.6).  PFF thought Banks, Tom, and Morgan each allowed 1 hurry, and Jenkins allowed 1 QB hit.    

 

RUNNING BACKS:

 

Player Snaps % STs
Jacobs 34 53  
Wilson 27 42  
Brooks 3 5 21/64%

Josh Jacobs finished with 33 yards on 13 carries for a 2.53-yard average and 1 touchdown.  Jacobs managed 16 yards on 5 carries in the first half (3.2 yards/carry) and 17 yards  on 8 carries (2.13-yards/carry) in second half.  Jacobs caught all 3 of his targets for 12 yards.  Emanuel Wilson provided a spark in the second half by carrying the ball 10 times for 59 yards after getting just one carry for 2 yards in the first half.  There has been talk about acquiring a running back before the trade deadline, which I don't understand.  This team has far bigger needs elsewhere.

 

QUARTERBACKS:

Player Snaps % STs
Love 64 100  
Willis DNP    

Love completed 29 of 37 (78.4%) for 360 yards (9.73 yards/attempt) and 3 touchdowns.    He had a passer rating of 134.2.  Love was on fire in the second half, at one point having completed 20 consecutive pass attempts, and he had a very good first half that was marred by a couple of drops.  He had multiple big-time throws, including throwing across his body, dropping his arm angle on a TD pass, and some dimes while on the run outside the pocket.  I have to count the duck to Kraft that turned into a big gain as a turnover-worthy throw.    

 

TIGHT ENDS:

 

Player Snaps % STs
Kraft 59 92 2/6%
Fitzpatrick 22 34  
Musgrave 12 19 1/3%

Tucker Kraft caught 7 of 9 targets for 143 yards (20.43-yards/rec) and 2 touchdowns with a long of 59 yards.   He did have a drop on a third down that forced a punt, and he quite rightly played defense on one pass and should probably have been called for offensive pass interference. 128 yards came after the catch, per PFF.  Fitzpatrick caught 1 pass for 4 yards and Musgrave caught 1 pass for 5 yards.  It looks like the Packers are phasing out Musgrave, both in offensive snaps and on special teams.     

 

WIDE RECEIVERS:

Player Snaps % STs
Doubs 51 80 4/12%
Golden 42 66 1/3%
Watson 36 56  
Heath 21 33 6/18%
Williams 12 19 6/18%

 

Watson caught all 4 of his 4 targets for 85 yards with a long of 33.  He also was excellent blocking for others, and he sprang Kraft for one of his touchdowns.  Doubs caught 3 of 6 targets for 44 yards with a long of 24.  Doubs had some chances to do more, but it would be churlish to call his miscues drops.    Golden caught all 3 of his targets for just 4 yards.  Green Bay tried to scheme Golden open to get him untracked but it did not work and, at least in this game, it did not matter.  That said, the combination of Watson and Golden ought to be an exciting prospect going forward. 

Malik Heath caught 3 passes for 29 yards.  He broke a tackle and his block was instrumental in springing Kraft for one of his touchdowns.  This was a very good game for a teams' 5th WR.  Savion Williams caught 1 pass for an 8-yard touchdown on a gadget play.  He also returned 4 kickoffs for 94 yards.  I see that he is a big kid with some jets on him, but at present, I see hesitation while he processes and only then to I see a glimpse of the jets.  Almost all of his receptions are swing passes or really jet  sweeps that are technically forward passes.  This is a pure redshirt year for him while they try to get some value out of him on special teams out of him and some gadget plays. 

The Packers scored 35 points against a team with a winning record and which is well-coached.  I would like to see the team get healthy, especially the offensive line, before judging what this team's ceiling is.  I think it has a lot of balance available; that is, when healthy if the run game is not great they can lean on the passing game, and vice versa.    

 

DEFENSIVE TACKLES:

Player Snaps % STs
Wooden 38 60 5/15%
Brooks 37 59 12/36%
Wyatt 34 54 DNP
Stackhouse  5 8 5/15%

Wooden had 3 tackles (2 solo) and a tackle for loss.  PFF credited him with 2 stops.  Wyatt had 2 tackles (1 solo) with 1 stop per PFF, while Karl Brooks had a quarterback hit and a pass defensed. Stackhouse had no statistics.  The Steelers ran the ball 15 times for 81 yards (5.4-yards/carry) in the first half, but they decided to run the ball just 3 more times for 12 yards in the second half despite receiving the second half kickoff with a lead and still having a lead until the 4th quarter.  I would be screaming if I were a Steeler fan, either at their offensive coordinator or at Aaron Rodgers.  Perhaps someone will point out some brilliant strategy Hafley came up with in the second half to discourage Pittsburgh from running.

I worried that the Steelers could wear down the Packers defensive tackles because Brinson was hurt and Wyatt might be on a snap count, but it appears as though Wyatt was a full go.  Stackhouse only played 4 snaps and per Justis Mosqueda, only 1 snap in the second half.  PFF credited Wyatt with a hurry and Brooks with a QB hit.

 

DEFENSIVE ENDS:

Player Snaps % STs
Parsons 55 87  
Gary 43 68 DNP
Enagbare 29 46 8/24%
Sorrell 13 21 10/30%
Mosby     25/76%

 

Gary had 4 tackles (3 solo), 2 sacks and 2 tackles for loss.  In my opinion, both of Gary's sacks came after Parsons flushed Rodgers out of the pocket.  Parsons had 1 solo tackle, 1 sack and 1 QB hit.  Enagbare had 3 tackles (2 solo), 1 QB hit and 1 tackle for loss.  Sorrell had 1 solo tackle and Mosby had an assisted tackle on STs.  

PFF credited Parsons with 4 pressures (1 sack and 3 hurries).  I thought Parsons had 6 pressures or so.  PFF credited Gary with 2 sacks, 2 hurries plus a stop and Enagbare with 2 hurries and a stop.  PFF gave Enagbare a 75.3 initial grade.  Sorrell had a goose egg in 9 pass rushes.

 

LINEBACKERS:

Players Snaps % STs
Walker 63 100 5/15%
Cooper 62 98 10/30%
McDuffie 25 40 25/76%
Hopper 1 2 20/61%
Niemann     17/52%

Walker had 5 tackles (1 solo) and 2 passes defensed with 1 run stop.  Cooper had 4 solo tackles and 1 forced fumble.  McDuffie had 4 tackles (2 solo) and 2 assisted tackles on STs.  PFF credited Walker with allowing 3 of 5 passes to be completed for 36 yards ( an 82 passer rating), and Cooper with 6 of 7 for 30 yards and a 84.5.2 passer rating allowed.  McDuffie 2 of 2 targets to be completed for 15 yards and a 97 passer rating.  Hopper had no statistics and Niemann had 2 solo tackles on STs.  Niemann was injured in the fourth quarter and was immediately ruled out for the rest of the game.  .  

 

DEFENSIVE BACKS:

Player Snaps % STs
McKinney 63 100 11/33%
Valentine 62 98 13/39%
Nixon 61 97 7/21%
Williams 49 78 11/33%
Bullard 49 78 12/36%
Hobbs 4 6  
Melton 1 2 14/42%
Olapado DNP 0 9/27%
Anderson  DNP 0 20/61%

 

Mckinney had 7 tackles (6 solo).  He was not targeted but he had a run stop per PFF.  Nixon had 5 tackles (4 solo) with one pass defensed.  He also had a pass interference penalty.  PFF credited him with allowing 5 of 6 passes to be completed for 62 yards and a 149.3 passer rating.  He muffed a punt and had a rough game overall.  Valentine had 3 solo tackles and a pass defensed.  He was having a nice game until the end when he could not quite knock a ball loose and he ended up giving up a touchdown.  PFF listed him with allowing 3 of 5 passes to be completed for 31 yards and a touchdown, good for a 117 passer rating allowed.  Evan Williams had 2 solo tackles plus 2 assisted tackles on STs.  Bullard had 5 tackles (3 solo) and a fumble recovery.  He allowed 4 of 6 passes to be completed for 33 yards (80.6 passer rating).  Hobbs had no stats.     

 

SPECIAL TEAMS:

McManus missed from 44 and was short on a 57-yard field goal.  He nailed two chip shots and made all of his extra points.  That is four misses so far.  The Packers converted a 2-point attempt with a well-designed pass to Doubs.  Whelan punted 3 times for a net average average of 43.67 yards per punt, with 1 inside the 20 yard line.  The coverage units were fine.  The return units had two holding penalties and Nixon muffed a punt that was recovered by the Packers.  Savion Williams seems to me to be looking for a soft spot on the field where he can fall down.  I do see the jets from time to time, so here is hoping he just needs reps.  

 

Photo courtesy of Barry Reeger of Imagn Images.

RB: 1.03

TE: 145

WR: 2.53

DT: 1.81

DE: 2.22

LB: 2.40

DB: 4.59

 

 

 

 

 

 

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T7Steve's picture

October 27, 2025 at 06:29 am

I wonder if it's the offense they're facing, health, or discipline why Hobbs and Valentine are trading snap counts per game? Did they finally decide Hobbs wasn't working out? Is it based on the kinds of receivers they're facing?

Is the opposing D relaxing and expecting passes more when Wilson is in? It seems they're being pretty successful at stopping Jacobs this season when the Packers are trying to run him up the middle or anywhere until they get close to the endzone. Then there's no stopping him. What a nice reliable way to finish out drives with TDs.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 27, 2025 at 06:47 am

Wilson has been getting better results running the ball this year, at least some times. Wilson ran 11 times in 27 snaps and Jacobs got 13 in 34 snaps. It does not seem like surprise when Wilson gets a carry is the answer. I noticed that Rhyan got to the second level on a couple of Wilson's runs, but truth to tell, I did not checking who was playing RG as well as I should have.

GB plays the Panthers next. Meh QB (Stroud and Andy dalton). They have tetairoa Mcmillan, a rookie WR taken 8th in the first round. He has 512 yards i 8 games and looks like the real deal. He is 6'5" so he is a beast. Xavier Leggette has done little - just 159 yards so far this season. Leggette, the 32 pick last year, is putting up 30 yards per game so far in his career - nothing to write home about but he is 6'3" at least. Not sure if the size of these guys will change whom the Packers select to play CB next week.

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Canam73's picture

October 27, 2025 at 07:30 am

Stroud?

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dobber's picture

October 27, 2025 at 07:58 am

Shh...he's on a roll.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 27, 2025 at 09:27 am

I resemble that remark. Doing better than Bluto at least, or am I?

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Canam73's picture

October 27, 2025 at 09:50 am

I was picturing Stork.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 27, 2025 at 11:50 am

I just do not understand Stenovich's musical chairs on the OL. He's enthralled with this tactic saying it makes both job share players better.

Rhyan job shared with Runyan...it did not make him "better" to finally claim the RG spot in his 4th year. So he continues to job share with Morgan because? Make up your mind, Adam.

The OL must be a cohesive group. When you have confidence in your wingman and know his assignments as much as your own you to build strong synergies. The RB and QB must have practice and game experience working behind the same 5 up front. Every snap Rhyan takes from Morgan and vice versa slows the developmental growth of each. If Rhyan was a clear starter RG start him. He's not, so make him the back up and develop Morgan.

Rhyan's a decent player but Morgan has more upside. And Rhyan is very ikely gone next year. Maybe they are showcasing him for trade bait at the trade deadline...get a CB or possibly a DT?

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Guam's picture

October 27, 2025 at 06:48 am

The Hobbs - Valentine usage is a mystery to me. Valentine got two defensive snaps last week and Hobbs four this week. I would think a little more balance would keep both fresher during the game. Nixon could have used a couple of breathers in this game too as he struggled.

Good question and one I would love to hear Hafley answer.

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dobber's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:02 am

Could be there's something Hobbs is being coached to do and isn't doing practice-wise or in games, and he's being sent a message.
Could be the defensive game plan this week called for a different type of DB.
Could be the Packers have decided that Hobbs isn't the guy.

Yes, Nixon's first half was pretty awful.

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Coldworld's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:24 am

It could be that they have accepted that Hobbs isn’t fully healthy as well (or just not good enough). Credit Hafley for making the call either way not just digging his heels in. For me though, Valentine was our best corner when it mattered last night. I think that changed the game. He might have not got the ball out in time in that TD, but he prevented prior big plays and was always contesting the catch. I thought he was decently physical on the ground too. He is simply better based on that performance except maybe against run heavy teams.

Jacobs had, by his standards, an off night. Wilson had a good one. We are extremely lucky to have two powerful runners at RB And this was a game that underlined why very clearly. I still don’t think they have come to terms with the fact that neither Musgrave nor Fitzpatrick are an asset as a blocker and really just take a WR off the field when sent out there, since we don’t even try to use them as receivers.

Really a game of two halves. I was left with a string feeling if that we just saw 2023 replayed in microcosm. A buttoned up, stilted and mostly unadventurous first half that piled the pressure on our D almost visibly and a second half where Love improvised early in the second half and Kraft delivered. Those drives and plays changed both the game outcome but the shape of the O and how the D could play as a result.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:44 am

I'd like to see 6 O linemen and #85 in for the same play instead of 12 personnel. At least try it to get some run blocking.

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Coldworld's picture

October 27, 2025 at 09:42 am

Agree. Perhaps Belton? We have Smith on the PS who played that role for the Pats last year. The team just seem to refuse to see the issue and adapt. I’m fine keeping one of Musgrave or Fitzpatrick to back up Kraft or even to run an occasional route, but no Packers TE has been used much offensively under LaFleur. Not even Kraft: it was all Musgrave till he was hurt and since then all Kraft. Lose the fiction and deploy a plus blocker.

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Guam's picture

October 27, 2025 at 09:18 am

Hard to believe the coaching staff decided Valentine wasn't the guy a week ago and then decided Hobbs wasn't the guy this week. Suspect it may have more to do with the type of receiver they are facing, but really don't know. Which is why I would love to hear Hafley's answer to this question.

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dblbogey's picture

October 27, 2025 at 10:56 am

Answer is that Hobbs has not been good on the outside his entire career. He's a decent slot guy. Why they thought he could play outside and gave him $44 million is puzzling. I thought Valentine was very solid the last half of 2024 and is definitely better outside than Hobbs. If Bullard gets hurt, we'll have Hobbs as decent depth, but that's the only position he can handle. Props to hafley for making the switch. We can survive with Nixon, Valentine and Bullard, just pray neither Nixon or Valentine go down with an in jury.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 27, 2025 at 12:02 pm

Hafley is uncharacteristically indecisive with his CB deficiencies.

IMO, it seems he believes Hobbs can indeed play boundary. Yet since Hobbs arrived, he got injured, had surgery, often held out from practices prior to game days, has had to learn a new defense with little on the field or game day training...let alone hone a relatively unfamiliar position outside.

Clearly Hafley knows Hobbs is not ready to play outside but has started him nonetheless because? His salary? Hope floats? Because Hobbs is still viewed as one of the top two boundary guys?

Keep him at back up to Bullard in the slot. Let him get hone his game discipline and performance at slot backup then decide if he's ready to back up or start at the boundary.

Maybe Hafley, Ainsley, and Downard view Hobbs as one of the best boundary guys on the team now? Yikes.

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Curt's picture

October 27, 2025 at 03:03 pm

Hobbs doesn't look like the same player as he was in prior years. I'm thinking he needs time for the knee stability to fully heal --- maybe it is mental with not wanting to attack things the same way as previously.

Just seems slower and without the burst he had back in college.

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GregC's picture

October 27, 2025 at 06:32 am

I was glad to see that Hafley talking up Hobbs was just talk. They replaced him with Valentine, which is what pretty much everyone wanted them to do. And Valentine played well, in spite of allowing a high passer rating. That's good because Nixon really struggled in this game.

When Chris Collinsworth pointed out that Sean Rhyan was in the game, I thought Jordan Morgan had been replaced, but apparently they were being rotated. Again. Well, I guess it worked well enough. The run blocking is still subpar, but this Packers O-line is writing the book on "good enough" pass blocking. They never look dominant, and the pocket seems to move a lot, but Jordan Love is good at finding space to throw, and it mostly works quite well.

All the talk before the game was about Aaron Rodgers, so it was very satisfying to see Jordan Love completely upstage him--in a road game, even. Of course Love had more help from his teammates, but the contrast between the two was still quite striking: young and flexible vs. old and stiff. Rodgers played well. Love just played better. A lot better.

You mentioned that Ty'Ron Hopper had no statistics. Doesn't he get credit for his excellent pass breakup on the two-point conversion attempt near the end of the game? I was surprised he was out there in that situation, and he delivered. Isaiah McDuffie probably would not have made that play.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 27, 2025 at 06:50 am

No, he doesn't. Just like you won't find a stat for Doubs catch for the 2-point conversion. [Double check: yep, no Hopper in NFLgsis.

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Coldworld's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:37 am

No stats, but that’s why Hopper needs to be out there more in pass situations. Hopefully that’s coming. Hopper can cover better than any other ILB, with only Cooper close.

On live watch, my impression was that most of Wilson’s runs came on the right with Rhyan in. I hope someone can verify or refute that more empirically. It’s information I would find enlightening. That said, my favorite block of the night was Tucker Kraft just annihilating a rusher on one of the opening drives. I wish we had another TE who could and would do that.

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dobber's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:08 am

"The run blocking is still subpar, but this Packers O-line is writing the book on "good enough" pass blocking. "

I'm just not sure what to make of this OL group. I think we all expected it would be light years better than last year--most thought this just because they switched up the C position...but the reality might be that the problem really is that RG position. A friend who coaches here at the college says that if you've got a weak link in your OL, it drags down the players around that guy.

All that said, Love took a few hits, but was not sacked. He seemed to be on schedule and on rhythm most of the second half.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 27, 2025 at 06:33 am

My hopes for the OL emerging as a better run blocking team through better health (Banks, Tom, even Rasheed a little) or through reps (Jenkins at center) are slowly fading away, though I still hope to get to mediocrity. Tom had a little problem with Watt for a while but he rebounded and Watt only had 3 pressures and an 9.4% pass rush win percentage.

I have been a fan of what Christian Watson can mean in terms of taking the top off of a defense, and I drool over what Watson and Golden can do together. I was sold on Golden during training camp but this was not a good game for him. A rotation of Watson, Golden, Reed, and Doubs with Kraft as well sounds explosive.

I would love to know why the Steelers stopped running the ball in the 2nd half despite being up or only down a coupl of points well into the fourth quarter. GB never really stopped their run game.

Valentine passed my eye test even though his final stats technically are not impressive. It was Nixon who let Metcalf box him out for a TD, so Valentine's gave up the TD when he could not dislodge the ball from Roman Wilson's hands in the end zone. Wilson did nothing as a rookie last year and got 74 of his 110 yards this year against GB. He is only 5'10" as well. IIRC.

I don't see a dominant team in the NFL. It does seem like some teams are working out their bugs and fine tuning the schemes, like the Lions and the Chiefs. Maybe GB will as well.

Not sure how a team gives up 25 points to a team that converts only 1 of 10 third down opportunities.

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Guam's picture

October 27, 2025 at 06:59 am

The O-line is a puzzle. With Jenkins at center they should be a better run blocking team than last year but it is not happening. Maybe defenses are stacking the box more given the year Jacobs had last year?

Watson definitely adds to the WR room. His size, speed and blocking ability are a pretty unique combination. When Reed returns the Packers will have a dangerous receiving group. My only disappointment this year is Musgrave. I had high (and likely misplaced) hopes for him and it is just not happening.

Valentine had a good night except for the last Pittsburgh TD. He bit hard on the out route juke and never had a chance of recovery.

Love played at a very high level despite a couple of lollipops that had interception written all over them but Packer receivers turned them into catches.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 27, 2025 at 09:58 am

maybe the center wasn't the issue?

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Guam's picture

October 27, 2025 at 10:54 am

Is Myers even starting for the Jets?

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dblbogey's picture

October 27, 2025 at 11:02 am

Well, he was rated as the 36th best center out of 37 who had enough snaps to qualify, so I'd say center was a problem. Banks and neither RG seem able to open holes and get movement in the run game.

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T7Steve's picture

October 27, 2025 at 07:02 am

You might want to put the Colts on your list as well. I think I'm more worried about that run game than the Eagles which will be a problem for the Packers to try to stop.

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dobber's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:22 am

"You might want to put the Colts on your list as well."

They're not on the schedule. Odds are the Packers won't see them this season.

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T7Steve's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:25 am

I thought he was talking dominate teams in the NFL. Not just teams on the Packers' schedule.

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dobber's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:45 am

Thumbs up.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 27, 2025 at 10:00 am

i can't help but be this guy - this is one that makes me wince

Dominate is a verb that means to control, to guide, to exert one’s stronger influence, to rule. Related words are dominates, dominated, dominating, domination. The word dominate is a transitive verb, which is a verb that takes an object. It is derived from the Latin word, dominari, which means to govern or to rule.

Dominant is an adjective that describes something that is supreme over others, something that is successful, something that is commanding.

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T7Steve's picture

October 27, 2025 at 11:00 am

Thanks, I caught that after I posted but thought you might still figure out what I meant. Want me to go back and edit it? I spelled it wrong and must have hit the wrong spell check.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:59 pm

No need. I just am firing a shot across the bow of the site. Glad you know the difference, millennials often don't.

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MitchAnthony's picture

October 27, 2025 at 11:25 am

"i can't help but be this guy - this is one that makes me wince "

I can't help but be this guy but one of my dominant pet peeves is when people fail to begin a sentence with a capital letter. Almost as dominating is failing to provide a period at the end of a sentence.

Kind of like that?

:)

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 27, 2025 at 09:00 pm

I confess to using text speak. My punctuation sucks too.

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dobber's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:20 am

"My hopes for the OL emerging as a better run blocking team through better health (Banks, Tom, even Rasheed a little) or through reps (Jenkins at center) are slowly fading away"

As the season progresses, I still expect this group will continue to get better--if they can keep everyone on the field: I think we all cringed when Tom went down (thankfully he came right back into the game). Either it will be because they play better together or because the coaching staff leans into things this particular group does well.

"I would love to know why the Steelers stopped running the ball in the 2nd half despite being up or only down a coupl of points well into the fourth quarter."

People bitch about the Packers' coaches going away from what was working. It's not just the Packers.

"Not sure how a team gives up 25 points to a team that converts only 1 of 10 third down opportunities."

There were four FGs in there...the shortest was 48 yards.
"When drives sputter", on the next Sally Jessie.

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murf7777's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:42 am

I think the last TD Pitt scored was due to the Packers not playing to the end….They looked like they were giving 75% effort.

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dobber's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:48 am

Valentine got beat badly out of the break on that last TD--he was clearly thinking corner route--but recovered enough to make it look close.

At that point it seemed the Packers were happy to let ARod complete passes to the middle and tackle....keep the clock running.

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Coldworld's picture

October 27, 2025 at 10:45 am

Those coverage losers happen. The Corner had to guess essentially. More importantly was that he showed an ability to cover and close, as well as some strength to get the ball loose (which outside the end zone would be a big positive). Corners that compete are what you want and he was, consistently. He will get more guesses right if he plays more probably. Valentine being out there was a bigger part of our coming out ahead than he’s been credited with by PFF/metrics.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:50 am

Yup. Garbage time. They were doing that to start the season, too. Haven't played a 60 minute game yet ...

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Packers0808's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:15 am

Musgrave will be gone by deadline day.

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murf7777's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:43 am

Another 3rd round bust. It’s amazing how that same round produces such bad results. Kraft being a huge exception!

OOPS, My bad....didn't have my coffee yet when I wrote that.

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dobber's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:48 am

2nd round.
Still on a rookie deal...he's not going anywhere.
Don't be surprised if they need him, yet.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:51 am

Exactly. #88 could return to being a good big bodied WR.

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Coldworld's picture

October 27, 2025 at 10:47 am

To do that he’d have to be used as one. He isn’t getting opportunities.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 27, 2025 at 10:04 am

Lotta talent in the receiver room, that includes tight ends. Musgrave is a major talent, he needs reps and targets. Not sure where those will come from.

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Packers0808's picture

October 27, 2025 at 11:38 am

If there is a needy team for a tight end and have a decent or above average Corner they will deal, GB will pull the trigger.

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Curt's picture

October 27, 2025 at 03:14 pm

Doubt it ... he is too valuable even as insurance against a Kraft injury. And the way TK plays he will probably miss some time occasionally.

Fitz is a good blocker and spells him in running situations (even caught an outlet pass against Pitt) but not probably more. Sims has some upside (if he clears waivers), but not as much as Musgrave.

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Coldworld's picture

October 27, 2025 at 08:56 am

So if Reed is healthy and Watson at some point, what do you do with Golden? Too much talent to sit, but no obvious role in this O even without Reed and Watson. Last night he was open for what could have been a TD, but his actual touches were strained manufactures that gave him little chance and were mostly near laterals.

LaFleur doesn’t seem to have found a way to use him yet or, arguably, the classic slot role in general since this time last season. That seems true of Kraft still too. Those big plays mostly came on second half plays where Love was forced to improvise really.

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stockholder's picture

October 27, 2025 at 10:20 am

Golden needs to play.
I always said," out with the old and in with the new."
The exception is Watson . He showed why last night.
But the other mistake,
is not getting Williams more gadget reps.

Doubs drops passes. And doesn't have
the speed this team needs.
Love's problem is too much loyalty to him.
Reed is to fragile.
He'll never be Randall Cobb.

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dobber's picture

October 27, 2025 at 10:53 am

"But the other mistake,
is not getting Williams more gadget reps."

35-25.

When Williams plays, he immediately draws the eye of the fan because you know he's going to get the ball. If we can see that, what do defenses see? He got a positive play last night...but you take a better and more impactful player off the field to get Williams his snaps. He might have greater value going forward this season, as he continues to learn the game, as a decoy.

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stockholder's picture

October 27, 2025 at 11:11 am

Watson and Kraft will draw more attention.
Not Williams. Until he has a break out game.
Kraft would be still sitting the bench.
If the impactful player didn't get hurt.
YAC is what we're after.
Not Avg. per catch.
And truthfully that is why Love
is going long to Doubs.
Golden should replace Doubs.

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Oppy's picture

October 28, 2025 at 12:51 am

For a guy who has always said, "out with the old and in with the new", you sure did fight hard against the transition from Rodgers to Love.

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LambeauPlain's picture

October 27, 2025 at 12:17 pm

Golden will get increasing opportunities, Williams too but fewer. Both are still making rookie mistakes and both are too talented not to be targeted...especially Golden.

I will rewatch last night's game, but vs AZ there were a few routes where Golden would quickly end his route if he ran into coverage. One play vs the Cardinals he ran 10 yards into double coverage so just stopped and turned to watch the play.

He can't do that...because if Jordan extends the play he needs to know Matthew is jetting to the open space on the field and is going to look for the rookie. Golden did that against the Bengals in a beautiful ad lib by both the QB and WR.

He's young and is only going to get better with every game.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 27, 2025 at 10:16 am

It seems both irresponsible and outrageous to me that Romeo Doubs was returning punts. That guy is totally game, but he's one concussion from the end of his career and it's crazy for him to be running back punts. If he's there to catch the ball it damn sure should be a fair catch.

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stockholder's picture

October 27, 2025 at 10:22 am

Exactly!

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stockholder's picture

October 27, 2025 at 10:28 am

Hopper and Williams need more Reps.
Several players must be moved by the deadline.
If this team is going to be good offensively.
Gute must move Doubs by the trade deadline.
He is Love's Achilles heel.

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Oppy's picture

October 28, 2025 at 12:54 am

Romeo Doubs had a down game on Sunday, but he consistently makes big plays and moves the sticks when a play is needed.

He did drop the ball too much in 2024- something I was very vocal about- but he almost never dropped a ball on a 3rd down.

He may not be the type of receiver who is a threat to score on every touch, but he is reliable and just finds ways to win matchups.

He may not be a Packer next year, but he's certainly the type of WR you'd like to keep around if possible.

Side note: I'm not sure if you saw the game last night, but this team is plenty capable of being 'good offensively' with the players they have.

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stockholder's picture

October 28, 2025 at 06:26 am

It's said ,If a Wr can touch the ball
he should catch it". Even dive for it.

Doub's reached his peak.
Doubs won't get better.

The speed in and out of his brakes,
just isn't there.

There is no dazzle dazzle with Doubs.
And he'll be No Donald Driver.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 28, 2025 at 01:58 am

PFF, in its wisdom, gave the following run block grades:

94.8: Zach Tom
78.4: Jordan Morgan
59.2: Sean Rhyan
63.7: Elgton Jenkins
66.9: Aaron Banks
51.5: Rasheed Walker

83.5: Tucker Kraft
65.4: Fitzpatrick

59.3: Christian Watson (really???)
54.9: Malik Heath (ya gotta be kidding me)

I'd hate to see the grades on a day when GB really could not get the running game going at all.

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