Packers Snap Counts Vs. Carolina: Week 9, 2025

The Packers signed LB Kristian Welch to the 53-man roster to replace LB Nick Niemann, who was placed on injured reserve. The Packers also signed DL Dante Barnett and CB Tyron Herring to the practice squad. Barmett is an international player who played one year of football at Dickerson College, a Division III program. Herring was with the Packers throughout training camp as a UDFA and was waived at final cutdowns. He spent time on New England's practice squad after leaving Green Bay.
The Packers elevated DE Aron Mosby from the PS for the third time this season. Mosby is out of elevations. DE Lucas Van Ness (foot), and WR Dontayvion Wicks (calf) were inactive due to injury. OL Donovan Jennings, OL Jacob Monk, DL Warren Brinson, and Kicker Lucas Havrisik were healthy scratches. QB Malik Willis and CB Kamal Hadden were active but did not play.
Tucker Kraft (knee), Matthew Golden (shoulder), Wooden (shoulder) and Aaron Banks (stinger) left the game and did not return.
OFFENSIVE LINEMEN:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Jenkins | 65 | 100 | 4/24% |
| Morgan | 65 | 100 | 4/24% |
| Tom | 65 | 100 | 4/24% |
| Walker | 65 | 100 | 4/24% |
| Rhyan | 56 | 86 | 4/24% |
| Banks | 9 | 14 | |
| Belton | 4/24% | ||
| Kinnard | 4/24% |
The Packers gained 104 yards on 2 carries, a 4.16-yard average with 1 rushing TD. Jacobs had several longer runs, while Emanuel Wilson faced tough sledding. Still, while the explosive runs were there, there was a modicum of consistency.
The statistics suggest that the pass protection was good, but the my eye-ball test indicated otherwise. Carolina had 6 quarterback hits and 1 sack. While the line provided adequate protection at times, it seemed to me that Love too often was pressured quickly. That said, Pro Football Focus indicated that the Packers allowed only 13 pressures, which is fine when there were 37 passing attempts and that Love had 2.69 seconds to pass, on average. However, PFF noted that there were 3 unblocked rushing attempts, which seemed to me to come up the middle.
Banks left the game very early in the first quarter and did not return. Sean Rhyan replaced Banks at left guard and Jordan Morgan then played at right guard. Rhyan had some problems with DT Tershawn Wharton, who had 2 quarterback hits. Rasheed Walker, Jenkins, Tom and Rhyan each allowed just 1 hurry. Jordan Morgan allowed 3 pressures (2 hurries and 1 sack).
It looks like teams are sitting back in two-high safety looks while daring the Packers to run the ball. If they can take away explosive plays, which the Packers are good at, then opponents bank on an inability to run, penalties, mistakes, negative plays, and/or some other form of inefficiency from the Packers. The last two opponents tried to shorten the game by running a lot. The Packers only had 7 possessions in this game, and scored 2 field goals, a touchdown, and they missed a make-able field goal. They were 1 or 5 in the red zone, and they lost the turnover battle, as well.
RUNNING BACKS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs | Routes Run | Targets |
| Jacobs | 38 | 58 | 18 | 5 | |
| Wilson | 21 | 32 | 14 | 2 | |
| Brooks | 11 | 17 | 9/53% | 7 | 2 |
Josh Jacobs finished with 87 yards on 17 carries for a 5.12-yard average and 1 touchdown. Jacobs caught 4 of his 5 targets for 13 yards, a 3.3-yard average per reception. Indeed, Jacobs had to make two defenders miss on one swing pass just to gain 7 yards on that play. Emanuel Wilson carried the ball 6 times for 16 yards, a 2.67-yard average. He caught 1 of his 2 targets for 2 yards. I saw that some observers felt the pass pro from the running backs was a little suspect. PFF did not assign a hurry allowed to either running back, and they liked Jacobs in this game, giving him an initial grade of 82.7.
QUARTERBACKS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Love | 65 | 100 | |
| Willis | DNP |
Love completed 26 of 37 (70.3%) for 273 yards (7.38 yards/attempt), with 1 interception and 0 touchdowns. He had a passer rating of 80.1. Love had m2 and arguably 3 big-time throws and at least 2 turnover-worthy throws. He ran only once for 1 yard.
TIGHT ENDS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs | Routes Run | Targets |
| Kraft | 32 | 49 | 19 | 2 | |
| Musgrave | 30 | 46 | 3/18% | 20 | 3 |
| Fitzpatrick | 18 | 28 | 7 | 0 |
Tucker Kraft caught 2 of his 3 targets for 20 yards (10-yards/rec). He has been blocking a lot. Here, he ran 19 routes and played 30 snaps (per PFF) and some of those routes likely involved a chip first. Many have been hoping to see Coach LaFleur find a way to get the ball to Kraft, but with what may be a serious knee injury, that quest will have to be postponed. Fitzpatrick caught all 3 of his targets for 34 yards with a long of 21. I thought that the Packers were phasing Musgrave out, but that now is going to change. The Packers waived TE Ben Sims to make room for Chrisitan Watson, and he is now on Minnesota's 53-man roster. The Packers may look around for tight end depth.
WIDE RECEIVERS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs | Routes Run | Targets |
| Doubs | 60 | 92 | 3/18% | 37 | 10 |
| Watson | 43 | 66 | 30 | 4 | |
| Heath | 27 | 42 | 3/18% | 16 | 1 |
| Golden | 24 | 37 | 15 | 3 | |
| Williams | 19 | 29 | 3/18% | 11 | 2 |
| Melton | 1 | 0 |
Doubs caught 7 of his 10 targets for 91 yards, a 13.0-yard average. Coming into this game, Doubs was tied for the lead with Kraft for most receptions resulting in a first down (21). With Kraft likely out for the foreseeable future, the Packers need some receivers who can help move the chains. Golden was 3rd on the team with 11 receptions for a first down. The team needs another receiver to become more of a volume receiver.
Watson caught all 2 of his 4 targets for 58 yards with a long of 52. Golden caught all 2 of his 3 targets for just 9 yards. Last week, he had 4 yards on 3 receptions. I would not call the deep pass that hit Golden in the hands a drop due to the double coverage and contact, but receivers need to help their quarterback out sometimes. Golden left the game and did not return. Malik Heath caught 1 passes for 11 yards. He ran a lot of routes for having just 1 target. Savion Williams caught 2 passes for 12 yards and lost a fumble on one of them when he ran into the back of his blocker on yet another wide receiver screen. They do work at times.
DEFENSIVE TACKLES:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Brooks | 40 | 69 | 10/59% |
| Wyatt | 40 | 59 | 3/18% |
| Stackhouse | 16 | 28 | 3/18% |
| Wooden | 15 | 26 |
Wyatt had 6 tackles (1 solo) and PFF credited him with 1 hurry and 5 stops. Wooden had no official statistics. PFF listed Wooden with no pressures in 6 pass rushing snaps, which means he was on the field for practically all of Carolina's 33 rushing attempts. Wyatt had 15 pass rushing attempts. Note that Bryce Young had 20 passing attempts. Karl Brooks had 5 assisted tackles. PFF listed him with 0 pressures on 18 pass rushing reps and 1 missed tackle. I thought Brooks had a miserable day. I thought he got moved against the run. Stackhouse had 2 assisted tackles, 1 stop, and 1 pressure in 5 pass rushing snaps. Carolina gained 163 yards on 33 rushing attempts, a 4.94-yard average. They ran up the middle and to their right all day with consistent success.
DEFENSIVE ENDS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| Parsons | 53 | 91 | |
| Gary | 41 | 71 | |
| Enagbare | 26 | 45 | 4/24% |
| Sorrell | 1 | 2 | 13/76% |
| Mosby | 25/76% |
Parsons had 3 tackles (1 solo) 1 tackles for loss and 1 hurry. Gary had 3 assisted tackles and 3 hurries on 18 pass rushes. He had 1 stop but lost contain at times and missed 2 tackles. Enagbare had 3 assisted tackles and 1 hurry on 11 pass rushes. He also lost contain a few times. After getting 13 snaps last week, Sorrell got just one snap.
Bryce Young only completed 11 of 20 passes for 102 yards and an interception. He had a 48 passer rating. Young does not process and quickly or nearly as well as Joe Flacco, but Carolina still continued another trend of getting the ball out of his hand quickly and of staying out of unfavorable down and distance situations. PFF gave Parsons an 81.1 grade.
LINEBACKERS:
| Players | Snaps | % | STs |
| Walker | 58 | 100 | 3/18% |
| Cooper | 58 | 100 | 3/18% |
| McDuffie | 19 | 33 | 13/76% |
| Hopper | 10/59% | ||
| Welch | 10/59% |
Cooper had 8 tackles (3 solo) and 0 pressures in 4 pass rushing snaps. PFF also listed Cooper with 3 stops and 1 missed tackle. Walker had 7 tackles (2 solo) and 1 QB hit, and added 1 stop and 1 missed tackle. McDuffie had no statistics but PFF gave him an initial grade of 78.0. Walker's average depth of tackle was 5.3 yards downfield and Cooper's was 1.0.
DEFENSIVE BACKS:
| Player | Snaps | % | STs |
| McKinney | 58 | 100 | 6/36% |
| Nixon | 58 | 10 | 3/18% |
| Williams | 51 | 88 | 4/24% |
| Valentine | 43 | 74 | 4/24% |
| Bullard | 42 | 72 | 7/41% |
| Hobbs | 19 | 33 | 2/12% |
| Melton | 0 | 0 | 6/35% |
| Olapado | DNP | 0 | 6/35% |
| Anderson | DNP | 0 | 10/59% |
Mckinney had 9 tackles (3 solo), 1 sack, 1 interception, and 1 forced fumble. PFF gave him an initial grade of 90.5. Evan Williams had 7 tackles (2 solo) and 2 stops. Nixon had 5 tackles (4 solo) and Valentine had 4 tackles (3 solo). Valentine got his hands on a couple of pass attempts but could not prevent the completions. Bullard had 4 tackles (3 solo). He lost contain at least once. Hobbs had no stats.
SPECIAL TEAMS:
McManus missed from 43 but hit from 27 and 49 yards. He made his only extra point. Whelan did not have to punt. The coverage units were fine. The return units had a penalty. Doubs fielded a bouncing punt and Savion Williams had a nice 33-yard kickoff return.
Photo courtesy of Jason Tork of USA Today Network.
Statistics coutesy of NFLgsis and PFF.
RB: 1.08
TE: 1.23
WR: 2.66
DT: 1.91
DE: 2.09
LB: 2.33
DB: 4.67
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Comments (36)
Fabio
November 03, 2025 at 05:22 am
How much longer does it take to send MLF away?????
Turophile
November 03, 2025 at 09:59 am
About the same time it will take you to understand football....
Fabio
November 04, 2025 at 02:24 am
more or less the same amount of time it will take for us to win a SB .... .....wait and hope...... we might not even be alive anymore......
Fabio
November 04, 2025 at 02:29 am
4th and 8 played in hand is an encyclopedia of disaster....... (as is kicking a field goal on 4th and 2 down by 8 against Tampa Bay) ...... The reality is that with MLF, every time the match was played point by point and the coach's decision became fundamental, in 90% of cases we lost due to decisions that were questionable at best ...... But if we want to continue to bury our heads in the sand...
T7Steve
November 03, 2025 at 05:41 am
Thanks, TGR. Please clean up your lefts and rights for Morgan and Ryan because I didn't hear them mention Banks injury and didn't see the changes. The announcer credited Banks for opening up a big hole for Jacobs in the beginning and I wondered why it didn't continue. Now I know and it might explain why Jenkins was helping out to his left so much and letting the LB waltz right through the line to get to Love.
I felt at the time, that the game turned on the 4th down penalty that MLF decided to go for it even though it was 17 or so yards. I don't mind guts for two or 3 yards but after a penalty with that much time left those 3 points would have helped.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 03, 2025 at 05:54 am
I just looked and Love had 2.69 seconds to throw on average and Young had 2.63 seconds. The disparity is not that great. Neither team got a lot of pressures or sacks, but Love was moved off of his spot quite often.
Now that we have hit the halfway point of the year, I am perturbed to realize how many questions have not been answered. Doubs is growing on me. He has 21 receptions for 1st downs in 7 games. GB needs a volume receiver/possession guy because they are far too reliant on the big play, which is one reason the team looks so disjointed. Amon St. Brown has 31 firsts in 7 games. Justin Jefferson has 26 in 8 games (but he led the league with 80 first downs when he had a better QB. Michael Pittman has 35 first downs in 9 games. Indy has 45 more first downs than GB.
I thought Wicks might be the possession receiver. Unanswered. I thought Morgan might be the future LT or one of GB's OGs. Unanswered (I mean, he might be, but I meant a good LT or OG). I think Jenkins has answered the question in so far as I don't think he is going to be GB's center. Banks has been so hurt all the time that despite hearing from a lot of fans I prefer to leave him as an unanswered data point. Rhyan also looks like an answer in the negative. Monk is unanswered as well though I never really thought he was a question: I always figured hm for deep reserve. No answer as to whether Reed is a slot only who has to come off the field if GB wants to use 2 TEs, etc. Of course, no answer from Lloyd.
On defense, I got more of the answers I expected. Brooks and Wooden belong in the NFL but they should be third or fourth on the depth chart. Gute was right to exercise Wyatt's option, assuming he can get healthy. I am not surprised GB has issues against the run. Cooper is good even though he did not ascend into greatness: he might still do so. Quay is okay, nothing more. I was wrong about McDuffie - he might well be worth $4M per year. Parsons, Gary and Enagbare are enough for pass rush and they play the run well enough. Not sure whether the progress LVN showed will be affected by his injury. The CBs are okay, nothing more. Safeties are probably better than okay. Not too many liabilities on defense, and GB has studs in Parsons, McKinney, and (I hope) Cooper.
It was not the best snap by Orzech but Whelan handled it. Set at punter. McManus has hit a rough patch, but he will probably get through it. He is older now, though.
T7Steve
November 03, 2025 at 06:05 am
Wouldn't you give the O- line an unsatisfactory grade so far for this season? They might have been satisfactory for this game, but they actually made Carolina look pretty good. For the most part their O-line looked pretty good too, but you can't blame the D and special teams for a game we couldn't overcome 16 points.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 03, 2025 at 06:38 am
The OL certainly did not meet my hopes/expectations. Rasheed did not get better, but he is not chopped liver. Banks did not give the run game a lift, but it could be injuries and of course he has only played 263 snaps plus 9 Sunday, and some of those were banged up. Jenkins is better than Myers but GB did not get the lift I'd hope for. Rhyan did not get better. [It is a contract year for Rhyan and Rasheed.] Neither did Morgan, not particularly. Tom has been as advertised, a very good, arguably elite RT who is good in all facets. He gives up a little more ground in pass pro than I'd like, but he stays between the rusher and QB pretty darn well. As a run blocker, I'd say Tom is not precisely a people mover but he can get guys turned and/or sealed off, and get to the second level to block in space, and he can move guys sometimes. Never underestimate the scarcity of good offensive linemen in the NFL. I thought GB would have 1 good OL guy and 3 better than average guys, but GB got just the one and having to accept trade-offs: pass pro for Run blocking, etx.
As a note, PFF gave Nijman an 80.4 grade. Didn't think I'd see that against Gary and Parsons.
T7Steve
November 03, 2025 at 06:59 am
Always liked Nijman and couldn't believe how he was used, or should I say not used. What's he bench press? 900 LBs? I'm usually the last guy to say this, but size matters.
dobber
November 03, 2025 at 02:41 pm
He was their swing tackle, I believe, until injury put him in the lineup.
LambeauPlain
November 03, 2025 at 08:53 am
TGR, appreciate your review of the OL. But at midseason, that unit is a Packers problem they will likely be unable to fix. And if it remains a team weakness, it can, and likely will wreck the season's prospects for a SB, or a deep playoff run...or maybe even the playoffs with so many teams clustered with similar records.
Tom is the only OL that has played (sans injury) with consistency as Rhyan and Morgan bring little synergy on the right. The left OL with Walker and Banks is below average and they have barely practiced or played with each other.. The Jenkins slide to C has shown he is sliding toward retirement, playing hurt, or is planning for his exit from the Packers. He has been a shell of what he was 2 years ago. Gutey was right refuse him more money.
If Walker, Rhyan, Jenkins, Morgan and Tom are the Best 5 now...are they a playoff, let alone a championship unit?
If not, how does it get fixed at midseason, with who...by the current OL coaches who have not fixed the problem after 8 games? Over the last several seasons, who on the OL depth chart have been coached up?
Leatherhead
November 03, 2025 at 03:17 pm
I can actually feel pain while reading this.
I think we should play Stackhouse a little more, but by and large, what are we complaining about on defense? 265 yards of offense and 16 points. That's not going to win very often.
The problem is that our line never gets to spend a week healthy enough to practice and play together as a unit. And we're young, so we make stupid mistakes. We're 10th in offensive penalties, and that excludes the ones which are declined.
I think you're evaluation of the trees is overlooking the forest at LB. This is a good group, run and pass. They stay healthy, they make tackles. They don't take a bunch of stupid penalties for unnecessary roughness or unsportsmanlike. We're a good 3rd down defense, we're the #8 scoring defense......we're not accomplishing this with meh.
The Packers got knocked down. It'll be interesting to see if they stand up. IMO, they can play a lot better than that, but I'm in "prove it' mode. I'll believe this offense can score 20 in the first half when it starts doing it.
LLCHESTY
November 03, 2025 at 06:46 pm
Still think they're a run 1st team? 🤣
barutanseijin
November 03, 2025 at 05:59 am
Jacobs grabbed all 4 of his 5 targets? Trying to get my head around that math.
All the same, this is consistently one of the best features on this site.
tobinrote
November 03, 2025 at 06:07 am
MLF's playcalling baffles me, but it apparently did not baffle the Panthers. No. 77, another Gutey first round mediocrity? the Panthers saw that Pittsburgh could run right at will for 8 or 9 yards a pop, and unlike the Steelers stuck with it. if the matter had been addressed during the week god help us. It is time to face up that this team is just a kind of middle of the pack (no pun intended) team.
T7Steve
November 03, 2025 at 06:18 am
You can't blame the D for this loss. They only gave up 16 and were on the field for the whole game. As soon as the O got on the field, they gave the ball right back to Carolina.
Carolina did do the right thing by sitting on the ball, however.
dobber
November 03, 2025 at 08:00 am
My perspective is that teams are perfectly happy to let the air out of the ball (which seems to be what LaF wants to do) and play possession football. The Packers struggle too much to maintain long drives--penalties and a commitment to an inefficient run game will do that.
The issues yesterday were:
1. inability to stop the run and get the defense off the field
2. inability to finish drives. The red zone offense was just bad yesterday. I'll point to the Packers' second possession after Watson's long reception. A couple penalties and a sack and that became a long-ish FG. A TD there changes the complexion of the game completely and puts Carolina in trailing mode.
I go back and forth on the late 4th and 8, which was essentially 4th and goal. The run call on 3rd and 3 says that the Packers were in a four-down mindset--a FG still keeps them down a TD--it's just that you don't anticipate the run getting blown up like that, and Wilson needs to know that he's got to be playing upfield. Whatever the case, reorienting toward the FG vs playing to get the tie (or even go for 2)? If you kick the FG you still need the TD and the offense kept shooting itself in the foot all day. I'm less unhappy with that than others.
Leatherhead
November 03, 2025 at 03:28 pm
My perspective is that holding your opponent to 16 points will win quite a bit of the time, but scoring 13 points will almost never be enough for you to win.
Possession of the ball is the most important thing, other than a TD. It's more valuable than a FG, because a possession could be a TD. It's more valuable than the 40 yards you gain on a punt. Your opponent cannot score points while you have possession (thus the expression, "the best defense is a good offense"
Sadly, the good offense didn't show up. It didn't finish drives. People want to make this some kind of Epic Saga but in reality, there were a dozen plays in this game that could have altered the outcome. It was a close game, closer than it should have been. We should have played better than we did.
If you finish drives and score points, eventually your opponent has to start doing things out of their comfort zone. But if you can't put any offensive pressure on them, they can just keep plugging it into the line. That's what happened yesterday. This guy got like 130 yards on 25 carries, and about 30 of those were on one carry. The rest of the day he's 24 for 100....just a hair over 4 yards a carry. But if we'd been up around 27, like we're supposed to be, then he gets fewer carries.
Since'75
November 03, 2025 at 06:32 am
Wooden was a warrior, playing 268% of the snaps.
😲😉
dobber
November 03, 2025 at 08:01 am
Dude should buy a lottery ticket
SinceLombardi
November 03, 2025 at 06:45 am
In the postgame locker room interviews Micah Parsons said , You can’t lose at home to a team that passed for 102 yards and an interception.
November is a huge month.
Panthers, (L)
Eagles
Giants
Lions
All teams, that MLF’s teams have been well beaten by in recent years.
I would expect the seat to start getting warmer as the weather gets cooler.
dobber
November 03, 2025 at 08:08 am
I ended up watching a fair amount of the Lions game yesterday. We were in a MI bar and grill eating lunch and they had Lions/Vikes and Bears/Bengals on. The same Lions team that the Packers beat week 1 showed up and got beat by the Vikings at home. The Vikings played a good defensive game, but were not very good with McCarthy.
I think what we're seeing more than anything else is that this league is a mess. The truly top teams are hard to figure out...the truly bottom teams are not. The middle cut is huge--maybe 20-ish teams--and there's not much separation there. Injuries are taking their toll on rosters. As always we'll see a few hot teams emerge in December and they'll make their run to February...it might very much surprise us who gets hot in the end.
Coldworld
November 03, 2025 at 08:45 am
If the league is a mess of parity to the extent you claim, the only controllable variables are the motivational skills, tactical acumen and play calling. LaFleur hasn’t won on any of those at least 75 (I’d say significantly higher) percent of the time for over 100 games. That alone should be enough to illustrate an even greater need call time on the pretense he is.
Leatherhead
November 03, 2025 at 03:34 pm
The draft, Free Agency, the Salary Cap, the schedule, plus the inevitable injuries all conspire to make it hard, hard, hard to win more than your fair share.
So when you're just consistently getting into the playoffs, you're beating the odds. You're doing things right in the front office, your scouting and personnel people are doing good things, you're coaches are doing good things, and you don't have worse than average luck with injuries.
Win at home, break through on the road a few times. Win division games.
LLCHESTY
November 03, 2025 at 06:54 pm
Forget about November, the Eagles is a HUGE game, for various reasons. But the biggest might be that after that they only have three home games left. So far they've played well in one of the four road games(for a half anyway) besides the Giants there's no cupcakes.
GregC
November 03, 2025 at 07:30 am
The lead-up to this game was kind of ridiculous. To hear people talk about Carolina, you would've thought they were 0-8 coming into this game. But they were 4-4. An average team, not a bad one. Still, they are the kind of team the Packers should be able to beat at home, so this game was a big disappointment, to be sure.
The early part of the game unfolded in a way that was perfect for the Panthers. The Packers had a long drive and fumbled, then the Panthers had a long drive. Even though their drive also ended in a turnover, it was already the second quarter and the template was set for a game with limited possessions. How often does a team that never needs to punt score as few as 13 points?
I had to listen to the game on the radio, which heightened my sense of powerlessness. Wayne Larivee is the worst play-by-play announcer I've ever heard. You can't tell what's going on half the time. The first thing he says about a play is what yard-line it ended up on. Only later does he tell you whether or not it was a first down, or how far short of the first down it is. On the last Panthers drive, Larry McCarren got all excited and I thought for sure we got a turnover, but it was just Edgerrin Cooper making a hard tackle. Thanks for getting me excited about nothing, Larry. But usually Larry is okay, and he's a pretty good analyst. Larivee is the one I don't like. With him making the calls, I feel like I'm watching the game through a thick veil of fog.
I watched the highlights on youtube. Always such a bummer to see the Packers in throwback uniforms. They don't even get to wear green and gold. I would be angry if I was a fan who rarely got to attend games, and I had to watch them in throwback uniforms. Total buzzkill.
The whole thing was weird. The Packers moved the ball on offense, and the defense didn't give up many big plays, but overall they played just bad enough to lose to a mediocre team. Sadly, it looks like our kicker peaked during the first two weeks of training camp. Maybe a 34-year-old kicker who's coming off a quad injury is not the answer.
dobber
November 03, 2025 at 07:44 am
"I had to listen to the game on the radio, which heightened my sense of powerlessness."
I was on the road and listened to the game, too, so I've refrained from commenting until I can see more.
The feel was one of malaise in general, and Wayne and Larry seemed to be in a "welp, now what?" kind of place. There was no feeling of rhythm or energy...mostly listlessness. Even though Jim Irwin was an institution and he and Max were fun, they were not good at calling a game. I think Wayne at least gets you pre-snap alignment of the offense and down and distance. Jim Irwin wasn't that consistent. Max was colorful but not very informative. Larry McCarren does a pretty good job.
Having listened to my share of radio broadcasts in recent years, I'd argue that Wayne and Larry are pretty average at calling a game, but do a pretty reasonable job of being even handed. There's definitely better, but some teams have chuckleheads who yell and complain for 60 minutes and are unlistenable (if that's a word) homers.
"Always such a bummer to see the Packers in throwback uniforms. They don't even get to wear green and gold."
I severely dislike the throwbacks, too. What's the point? Oh, yeah--selling a few more jerseys. The printed leather pattern on the helmets was truly awful.
The leaning "GB" logo in old gold/muddy tan has started to become more and more prevalent. It's even on Packers.com. Here's hoping that it's only there to temporarily promote the throwbacks because the "G" is iconic. If this is Ed Policy's idea you can ship him out at the next board meeting.
GregC
November 03, 2025 at 08:11 am
I agree that Wayne and Larry are pretty even-handed. I don't like homers, even when they are my own team's homers. That does remind me of another gripe I have about Larivee, though. He often gets excited when the OTHER team makes a big play, which makes me think for a second that it was a good play for the Packers.
LambeauPlain
November 03, 2025 at 09:06 am
Larry is knowledgeable and a decent analyst. I have never been a Wayne fan...he's always talking in cliches and indeed, opaque describing the situation on the field at times.
I truly enjoyed Max Magee simply because he was so funny and relatable as a fan...he'd say what he saw and what he thought and never through rose colored glasses. Jim Irwin fine but he had one quirk that was incredibly irritating: If you just turned on the radio to listen to the game, Irwin would go many minutes without giving the score...in a time of no/limited internet and no cellphones. Frustrating and kind of funny.
Guam
November 03, 2025 at 08:43 am
I got to watch the game and I don't think you or Dobber are going to be happy with what you see when you get to watch it. The Packers looked and played flat emotionally. The O-line couldn't open holes in the run game and allowed several unimpeded blitzes right up the middle that wrecked important passing plays. The red zone offense went in reverse most of the game. Parsons had one pressure and zero sacks for the entire game playing against a second string tackle. Just not much good to see.
This team was unprepared to play Sunday.
LambeauPlain
November 03, 2025 at 09:19 am
Imagine what it was like in the stands.
I was there. I, like everyone around me...many who I have known for years...began to mumble early in the first quarter...then a few expletives...as the team played with little emotion. After halftime they continued to play as though the game would eventually be won...just put in the time and the Panthers would fold. But just no energy.
As Carolina drove through an exhausted defense that melted before us on the final winning drive, I heard loud boos...which I hate and never to do. Very sad and concerning team performance.
Guam
November 03, 2025 at 10:00 am
Sorry you had to witness that in person LP. I heard the boos through the TV and agree - hate to hear that at home.
You hit the nail on the head - this team expected to just roll their helmets out and watch Carolina fold. This league has too much parity to play flat and expect to win. Both their losses fall into that category. When will they learn?????
Coldworld
November 03, 2025 at 07:39 am
This offense has largely been figured out by opponents. The OL coaching has never adapted to the run game. The overall discipline, tactical acumen and consistency of play calling quality has never materialized. A month or so after the Browns. Year on year the same issues.
The defense wasn’t the problem here. Moving on from Barry has only illustrated that it’s the offensive design and leadership that is our lead weight. The excuses for LaFleur as a head coach and offensive leader have been debunked by performances.
I’m sure there are still people who won’t face that, but the myth of a great offensive mind is as trashed as that of a motivator. It is just over. This team will not do anything meaningful under LaFleur. He will be gone after this year to give a chance for a new culture and offense before the Parson’s accelerated window closes.
Yesterday hurt, it was frankly embarrassing, or should be, but if it finally opens eyes and minds it will eventually do us a major favor. LaFleur was never what he was billed as and more than a century of game experience supports that. What has changed is that, on top of that, the league has figured out his O.
Ferrari-Driver
November 03, 2025 at 09:57 am
Some years ago, I recall a fan writing: The way the Packers are playing is "redickulass". There was a little ribbing by some on the spelling, but the meaning rang through loud and clear. I'm not sure if that is the word to use at the present time, but I wouldn't hesitate to say it's disappointing all too often.
NFLfan
November 03, 2025 at 12:38 pm
I had some fun watching the 'Get Up"- with their titles-"The Pack is Whack" and 'Falling out of Love".
All of the commentators were unanimous about Love. Some of their comments:
-MLF doesn't trust Love which is why he focuses on the Run game
-Love is as physically talented as the top QB's but he makes too many bad decisions and is not consistent-he has the talent to throw the ball but does not think enough about the consequences, lax about protecting the ball.
-Love is like early Josh Allen with his interception rates but Josh finally corrected it.
They didn't mention the leaky OL, though, which is making Love get off his spot too often.
Thegreatreynoldo
November 04, 2025 at 03:29 am
Carolina only gained 102 yards through the air, so the run defense was the problem. Rdef PFF grades:
40.1: Javon Bullard
44.3: Quay Walker
50.2: Karl Brooks
52.6: Nate Hobbs
54.2: Devonte Wyatt
57.8: Colby Wooden
58.1: Evan Williams
58.8: Rashan Gary
58.9: Edgerrin Cooper
60.0: Sorrell - 60.0 is dead average, and Sorrell played 1 run snap!
65.1: Stackhouse. This is encouraging, I guess.
So, 2 of the 4 defensive linemen are significantly below average against the run, 1 is below average, and only the rookie who has been up and down previously was above average, in this case by a nice amount. The ILBs are chase and cover guys and both were below average in this game, and Quay is usually average to below average against the run for this year and the entirety of his career. McDuffie had a 69 run defense grade and the Packers made it count as 14 of McDuffie's 19 snaps came against running plays. Cooper had a fine 74.7 coverage grade which improved his overall grade to a 68.5 despite his run defense, tackling and pass rush grades being in the fifties.