Packers Snap Counts Versus Washington: Week 7

 

The Packers elevated OLB LaDarius Hamilton from the Practice Squad (leaving Jonathan Garvin as a healthy scratch).  The inactive players were Christian Watson and David Bakhtiari, both due to injury, and Jonathan Ford, Jonathan Garvin and the newly acquired OL Luke Tenuta.  Tenuta was acquired on a waiver claim.  If he stays on the roster for the rest of the season, his cap number will be $470,000.  Rasheed Walker, Sean Rhyan, and Jordan Love were active but did not play.

 

Player Snaps % STs
Jenkins 54 100  
Runyan 54 100 3-10%
Myers 54 100 3-10%
Tom 54 100  
Nijman 54 100 3-10%
Newman     3-10%
       
       
Rodgers 54 100  
Love DNP    
       
Jones 40 74  
Dillon 16 30  
P. Taylor     11-38%
       
Tonyan 30 56  
Lewis 23 43 3-10%
Davis 11 20 22-76%
Deguara 7 13 15-52%
       
Doubs 48 89  
Lazard 32 59  
Watkins 28 52  
Toure 19 35 6-21%
Am Rodgers 16 30 11-38%
       
19 on Offense      

One big story of today's game was the reshuffling of the offensive line.  The Packers inserted Zach Tom at left tackle, moved Elgton Jenkins to left guard, left Myers at center, moved Runyan to right guard and inserted Yosh Nijman at right tackle.  The line held up pretty well.  Aaron Rodgers was only hit one time (by Daron Payne) and was not sacked.  He was flushed a few times but the pressure was moderate. 

The Packers only ran the ball 12 times for 38 yards even though they were in the game at all times.  On the opening possession, Jones gained 8 yards around the right end, then he caught a short pass for 3, gained 4 yards around the right end, and then gained 2 more yards off right tackle.  That is 4 touches and 3 carries for 14 yards.  The 2-yard gain would be considered an unsuccessful play since it was 2nd and 6.  That set up a 3rd and 4.  Rodgers threw a pass right to Lazard, who just flat dropped it, forcing a punt.  Dinking and dunking is fine, but a small mistake too often kills drives.  Jones would end the half with 6 carries for 14 yards. 

The other big stories of the game were drops and penalties.  The Packers scored a touchdown on their next possession after getting good field position at the Washington 42.  Lazard caught two passes for 23 yards, Tonyan one pass for 6 yards, Dillon ran for 3 yards off right tackle (another technically unsuccessful run), Jones ran twice for 6 yards and Jones caught a 4-yard touchdown pass.  A holding penalty by Yosh Nijman set up a first and twenty.  Dillon ran for 7 yards around the left end, while an incompletion and a 7-yard pass to Jones forced a punt.  Jones lost 6 yards on the first play of the next possession.  Nijman's second holding penalty negated Jones' 6-yard gain and put the Packers in a 2nd and 25 situation.  After two incomplete passes, the Packers punted.  Tonyan held on the next possession, setting up 1st and 19, which led to another punt. 

The next possession was the first possession of the 2nd half.  It featured one 4-yard run by Jones off left tackle and several short passes as the Packers moved from their 25-yard line to the 47, but Doubs dropped a pass on 3rd and 2, forcing a punt.  That play was a microcosm of the day: Rodgers' pass should have been easy but he threw it low.  Doubs still should have caught it and gained the first down, but he didn't.  One can blame Rodgers' inaccuracies on several incomplete passes if you don't like Rodgers or you can blame the front office or the receivers for not helping their quarterback out: there is plenty of ammunition for both arguments.

Down 20-14, the Packers got the ball at their 25-yard line.  A 17-yard completion to Lazard, a 12-yard pass to Jones followed by a 5-yard run by Jones off right guard picked up a first down and overcame a Lazard penalty for an illegal formation.  An incompletion followed by Dillon getting stuffed for no gain up the middle led to a 3rd and 10.  Rodgers hit Amari Rodgers who turned it into a nice 9-yard gain.  However, Doubs dropped the 4th and one pass, and the Packers turned it over on downs. 

Down 23-14, Washington was penalized for illegal hands to the face on 3and 3 to keep the drive alive.  Washington committed another illegal hands to the face to keep the drive alive on 3rd and 6.  Rodgers threw a deep pass to Amari Rodgers but he could not come up with it.  Fans debated whether it was a drop or if Aaron Rodgers overthrew it slightly.  It did not end up mattering too much as an 18-yard pass interference call on Washington two plays later moved the chains again, and Rodgers hit Aaron Jones for a 21-yard touchdown pass.   The Packers got the ball back with 26 seconds left and no time outs.  After a completion to Watkins over the middle where Washington was playing soft, the Packers final desperation play failed to score.

The Packers played Jones most of the time with Dillon just coming in for relief.  The two running backs were only on the field together for two snaps, as that package has disappeared due to futility.  Deguara continues to only get a handful of snaps per game.  Lazard was shaken up and missed some snaps.  Toure finally got some snaps and caught his first pass.

 

PLAYER SNAPS % STs
Amos 74 100 11-38%
Alexander 74 100 7-24%
Stokes 67 100 9-31%
Savage 67 100 7-24%
Douglas 59 80 9-31%
Ford 9 12 10-34%
Nixon 2 3 19-66%
Leavitt     19-66%
Jean-Charles     7-24%
Carpenter     10-34%
       
Campbell 74 100 7-24%
Smith 58 78 7-24%
Walker 54 73 6-21%
Gary 45 61 3-10%
Enagbare 31 42 6-21%
Hamilton 14 19 11-38%
Wilson     19-66%
McDuffie     19-66%
       
Clark 60 81 6-21% 
Reed 48 65 7-24%
Lowry 42 57 10-34%
Slaton 24 32 9-31%
Wyatt 12 16 1-3%
       
23 on Defense      
       
Crosby     7-24%
Coco     8-28%
O'Donnell     8-28%
       

The Packers held the Commanders to a three and out on their first and second possessions, but Amari Rodgers fumbled the punt and Washington recovered on the Green Bay 17.  The defense held and forced a field goal.  On the next possession, Devondre Campbell intercepted Heinecke and returned it 63 yards for a touchdown, putting the Packers up 14-3.  Quay Walker and Devondre Campbell were both very active.

Washington then put together a 14-play, 83-yard touchdown drive.  It featured some successful short runs and passes, and a 24 yard and a 20 yard run, both around right end.  The Packers got the ball at their own 25-yard line but a hold and a loss of 6 on a run by Jones pushed them back and led to Washington getting good field position at the Green Bay 43-yard line, assisted by a 5-yard penalty on Keisean Nixon.  Rashan Gary sacked Heinecke and forced a fumble that Rasul Douglas returned 62-yards for a touchdown, but the play was nullified by a dubious illegal contact penalty on Eric Stokes.  The Packer stopped two runs forcing a field goal, but it hit and upright and was no good.  

The Packers lost 2 yards on 5 plays in a drive that featured both teams committing penalties, and then the Packers forced another three and out.  The half ended with Green Bay up 14-10.  Quay Walker had 8 tackles (4 solo) in the first half with a quarterback hit and a pass defensed, as the Packers sent Walker several times on blitzes.  Campbell finished with 7 tackles (3 solo), 2 tackles for loss, and a pick-six interception return, all in the first half.  Washington rushed 19 times for 100 yards (5.3 average) but 44 of those yards came on the two long runs to the right edge.  That said, Washington was persistent with the run, and did not have very many negative plays.  The Packers held Heinecke to 7 completions on 19 attempts for just 39 yards, with 1 TD and 1 INT in the first half, good for a 44 passer rating.  The Packers almost picked off several more passes, and often got a hand on Heinecke without registering a sack in the first half.  Almost was the word of the game.  Washington ran 36 plays in 17:23 minutes while the Packers ran 24 in 12:37 minutes.

It all came crashing down in the second half.  The Commanders would score on their first three possessions of the second half.  The first drive was 5 plays for 74 yards and a touchdown.  Mixed in with some short runs and passes were a 16-yard run (again to the right edge) and a nice 37-yard touchdown pass to McLaurin with Jaire Alexander in close coverage.  The Packers could do little and the Commanders put together a long, 16-play, 72-yard drive with mostly moderate gains running (save for a 10-yard run off the right edge) and some moderate pass completions, but had to kick a field goal.

After the Packers turned the ball over on downs at the Washington 37, the Commanders again drove 61 yards in 9 plays.  The big play was a 26-yard completion to Curtis Samuel coupled with an unsportsmanlike penalty against Stokes, who had been in coverage, which moved the ball from the Washington 39 to the Green Bay 20.  Washington continued to pound the ball down to the 2-yard line but the Packers forced another field goal.  

Walker added 5 more tackles to finish with 13 (5 solo) and another QB hit, while Campbell added five more tackles to finish with 12 tackles (7 solo) and 3 quarterback hits.  Douglas finished with 10 tackles (5 solo) and 3 pass breakups.  Pro Football Focus suggested that Heinecke had 5 turnover-worthy throws, and the Packers almost converted more of them into interceptions.  PFF noted that Heinecke was under pressure on 17 of his 35 passing attempts.  The Packers finished with 9 quarterback hits but just one sack.  Preston Smith was close to getting a sack or two but Heinecke managed to wiggle his way out of them.  Gary left the game with a possible concussion.  Heinecke scrambled twice for 4 yards.  Washington ran the ball 19 times in the second half for 66 yards (3.47 average) but finished with 38 carries for 166 for the game, a 4.37-yard average.

 

On special teams, Amari Rodgers had a nice 16-yard punt returned but fumbled another.  The Packers gave up a 32-yard kickoff return and there were two penalties on teams.  O'Donnell placed two of his five punts inside the 20-yard line, and had one beautiful punt that pinned Washington back deep.

WR: 2.65

RB: 1.04

TE: 1.31

 

DL: 2.51

ILB: 1.73

OLB: 2.00

DB: 4.76

 

 

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:11 am

Gary HAS to learn to hold the edge. Teams are game planning to trick him into giving it up, then hitting big gains. Clay Matthews ghost returns.
I feel like there is a quality-control problem with this staff. Teams are seeing and exploiting weaknesses that our players seem blind to.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:58 am

So, you noticed my allusion to the big ruptures on the runs all coming towards the right edge. In fairness, IIRC (wasn't sure enough to write this in the article itself), Gary failed to contain once, Enagbare another time and Douglas possibly had responsibility on one of the big runs. Otherwise, WA managed to get positive yardage on most of their runs, but there were not many nice runs for 6 to 8 yards. A few.

Enagbare looked promising. That's the best I've seen from Quay Walker so far. Campbell was looking better. Now watch PFF disagree violently with me when they post their grades.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:22 am

Most years I'd be awful surprised if Preston didn't have the highest grade on defense from PFF but not this year.

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Swisch's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:08 pm

It's really important to really careful about giving up on our guys these days, even Royce Newman and Amari Rodgers.
Maybe you take a guy like Newman out of the lineup but with the idea of working with him and encouraging him to grow as a player for future opportunities.
Maybe you take a guy like Rodgers and put him more in the lineup, giving him at least half the opportunity that has been given to Doubs in his shorter career. We see Doubs adjusting to the pro game with some ups and downs; let's allow Rodgers to get out there for his initiation.
In the general disarray of the Packers, it's difficult to evaluate players, as perhaps they are being dragged down due to factors outside of their control.
Plus, it's hard to flunk young players off the team without a fair test, as with Rodgers, or if they've shown past promise (as with Newman).
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The real issue with the Packers seems to be a dysfunction between our superstar quarterback and our young head coach.
That's a threat to all the players in terms of team stability and morale and coordination.
So it is that I'm highly reluctant to give up on any of them.

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SinceLombardi's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:21 pm

You would think by his third season Gary would know that.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:08 pm

Run stuffing NTs don't make as much as pass rushing DTs and edge players. When Clark got his $17M AAV, the highest paid NT was making $11.25M. Clark can still stuff the run when he wants to and/or that is the situation, but his approach down to down is to get into the backfield.

Gary is a "dominant player," but it is due to his massive 15% pressure rate, not his run defense. Montez Sweat is a more well-rounded player as he is excellent against the run but his 10% pressure rate, while good, does not stand out to the same extent.

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Bure9620's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:25 am

My hope for this season is we see Jordan Love with 100% snap counts. It is time to get a full evaluation as this team will go nowhere with Aaron Rodgers with his atrocious play and holding this team hostage. It is OVER. That contract was a joke. Gute should be on the hot seat with how the QB situation has unfolded. MLF is not the guy either.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 10:30 am

It’s over, but the leadership will never countenance that. Ultimately this all goes back to how poor a Head Coach we have, now cruelly exposed and the horrendous decision to throw money at Rodgers to keep him here with that coach and thus roster. Two franchise killing scale choices coming home to roost. Both seemingly squarely owned by Mark Murphy. Mr untouchable.

I may differ as to the ultimate the culprit, but what saddens me is the number of people still clearly in denial. It’s not getting prettier, but that attitude among fans just ensures no pressure reaches the executives.

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canadapacker's picture

October 24, 2022 at 10:39 am

I always have liked most of your comments - but I think that you need to settle down a bit - starting to sound like Ima payne.

I am not commenting on this game until I rewatch it again - but think that 2 things stood out - drops as critical times - and not holding the edge on running plays - ( not counting bad reffing that changed the game).

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:18 pm

As I see it, you are saying look at all the trees in the way and I am saying look at the wood.

I believe we dug a huge hole by a poor choice of head coach and an illogical marriage of Rodgers and their Roster & cap. I’ve gradually come around to the former over the last 21/2 years and I’ve feared the latter since winter. So no sudden reaction, just a belief that there are fundamental reasons for the many types and occurrences that you cite.

Sometimes candor is a pain. I’m certainly not enjoying this.

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canadapacker's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:20 pm

Ya ok - 13-3 13-3 - 13 -4 - 40 - 10 - I would guess that only Andy Reid is that over the last 3 years. So now you want to go down that path. And I am not an AR apologist - nor a Gute apologist. But come on now. It is a little bit over the top and even if they dont make the playoffs which they just might not ( except as a wildcard). They wont fire the coach or GM.

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Bure9620's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:23 pm

Several of the drops were actually inaccurate throws by 12. Mostly low throws. Doubs had to try and pick one off the grass in stride. Rodgers placement has been awful.

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canadapacker's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:08 pm

I agree that some drops were tough catches. But Lazards first drop was one of those 3rd down conversions and should have and needed to be caught - killed that drive and hurt the attitude of the game. I remember when MVS was accused of drops and many were contested catches that were hard catches. Somewhat like Doubs endzone catch and ultimate drop. But also some are thrown low by intention and his thumb was not right - so dont pick flyshit out of pepper - Jone's TD was a perfect ball after a roll out - vintage AR. Now was he great and super accurate - but just dumping on those passes for the loss - isnt correct.

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murf7777's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:46 am

I’m as disappointed as the next guy and find it hard to locate any positives. It looks bleak! The one positive I can think of is this GB packer team has been in this position a couple of times in the past 12 years with Arod at the helm and brought them back to the playoffs.

There is a lot of parity in this league. All you have to do is look at other top teams like, TB, SF, LAR to understand my point. Also, on the other side of things, just because a team starts hot doesn’t mean they will finish that way, like Philly, Minny, NYG and Dallas. Normally, the winner of the conference is the one hot at the end of the year, not the beginning. So, I hold out hope this team will turn it around.

Great teams find a way to fight thru adversity and we will find out what type of coach Mlf really is and whether Arod has anything left in the tank in the 2nd half of the year. I suspect a team who is 9-8 in the NFC will become the 6th wildcard. As bleak as it looks now, the Packers certainly can right the ship to that level or higher.

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Bure9620's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:54 am

Yes, GREAT teams fight through adversity, indeed. This team is not great....

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 10:34 am

Teams with leaders fight. We’ve seen some examples in recent weeks that didn’t let talent deficit stop them taking risks and going hard on both sides of the ball to overcome it.

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Swisch's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:11 am

Good stuff, murf, let's not give up on this season!
Whoever is playing, whoever is coaching, let's play to win.
We've seen, in consecutive weeks, how poor teams in the Giants, Jets, and Commanders can get enough out of their talent to pull off a win against us.
The temptation to fans is wild mood swings between extremes of optimism and pessimism. Let's resist.
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I admit it looks really bleak for the Packers right now because of what seems to be a fundamental dysfunction in the relationship between superstar quarterback and young head coach.
That kind of thing would cripple the entire team from the front office to the practice squad.
Still, let's keep the positive energy happening, including some prayer. Life is full of the unexpected.
With ten games left, there's still plenty of opportunity; plus, a key in life is to play it through to the very end.
I wouldn't be all that surprised if the Packers beat the Bills -- really.

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SinceLombardi's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:22 pm

You have to be realistic.. losing a hard fought game is one thing, but week after week of uninspired sloppy football is not going to magically turn around.

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Swisch's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:07 pm

Remember, though, that this team has won 13 games each of the past three seasons.
There's talent abounding among our players, and even some credentials among our coaches -- and let's at least go all out in these last ten games.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 24, 2022 at 07:09 am

I realized that some of the data I inserted failed to post/update. I lost internet service I guess for a moment (happens late at night sometimes) and when I hit reload, I thought the snap numbers had been updated, but I just went in and edited some that were from last week. Oops.

I liked Toure getting his feet wet, but not because Lazard got banged up and Cobb was out. Doubs was something to watch in training camp, and I got excited about him, but I think it is fair to assign 3 drops to him, two of which killed drives. He had drops in TC as well.

Not too many runs up the middle against Payne and Jonathan Allen. Not too many runs, period. What a weird game. So many almosts. Preston almost had 2 sacks, ended with none. Couple of tackles not made because the other team gets paid, too. INTs were there. A couple of penalties erased big defensive plays. That said, GB should clobber Washington. Thar be problems.

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coolhand's picture

October 24, 2022 at 09:54 am

Well, I look at it this way. The Packers were terrible and only lost by 2 points. But that was a game they should have won easily. There is just no continuity to this team right now. And is it me or does it look like Rodgers has a mechanics problem throwing the ball?

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 10:43 am

His thumb seems to be a factor at times, but he was off before he hurt that. In my view it’s the O being run that prevents him getting in rhythm and seldom gives him targets in numbers or in space.

We run too few routes to draw players, only stretch the field horizontally and are constantly throwing to isolated receivers or in heavily populated areas. We are so cautious in our calling, so limited in what we call and Ds know that. It’s making Rodgers worse even with as much time as he has yesterday. It’s so bad that the opponent didn’t seem to care if he had time as the game went on.

Even Jones’ TD was a pass in the flat by intent that a defender read and Jones just went deep. Our call was lame, our player made it and the throw was good. Maybe more routes like the end result might help. Not as LaFleur calls it and this week the pressure argument is not justifiable.

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egbertsouse's picture

October 24, 2022 at 07:38 am

The only consistently good player on this defense is Kenny Clark and the Packers are wearing him down. Sixty snaps? Come on Barry, that’s 12 more than any other D-lineman! Give him a break , it’s a 17 game season.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:28 am

No worries, he was only averaging 46 a game before this week. If he can't handle 60 a game once in awhile something is wrong.

BTW, Aaron Donald averaged 61 a game last year for the Rams in the regular season.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:20 pm

Can't pay $17M to Clark to play 45 snaps per game like a nose tackle. Same for the other highly paid interior defenders. Donald is the same thing. DTs play 800 plus snaps per year whereas NTs play 55% of snaps.

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SinceLombardi's picture

October 24, 2022 at 01:24 pm

Kenny has been steamrolled too. He may be our best, but he certainly hasn’t been consistently good.

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Roadrunner23's picture

October 24, 2022 at 08:00 am

What’s wrong with the packers?

1. MLF - it starts at the top, watching him fumble around in these pressers is embarrassing. At least with Big Mike he showed some confidence and bluster!

2. Aaron Rodgers- He looks like a dude that has checked out and is looking forward to his next trip to Peru and a rousing coffee enema!

3. Amari Rodgers- time to go! Kid ain’t got what it takes!

4. Romeo - he’s been a great story but kids just not ready, yet!

5. - Steno as OC - and speaking on not yet ready, Steno is not OC material and never will be.

6. - Packers brass - the Packers pushed all their chips in on the MVP and also quietly gave themselves raises and contract extensions, ensuring an upcoming decade of misery for Packers fans. Sure glad I didn’t take out a loan for season tickets!

It is going to be a long hard road as basement dwellers for the foreseeable future.

I’m done

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baldski's picture

October 24, 2022 at 03:56 pm

The following appeared in the NYT this morning:

"LANDOVER, Md. — With 2:06 remaining in their 23-21 loss to the Washington Commanders on Sunday, members of the Packers front office began filing out of the row behind Green Bay reporters in the FedEx Field press box.

President Mark Murphy, general manager Brian Gutekunst, vice president of player personnel Jon-Eric Sullivan, director of player personnel John Wojciechowski, director of football operations Milt Hendrickson and chief operating officer Ed Policy had seen enough. And who could blame them?"

I know Murphy and Gute, but the next four? Who are they and what do they do?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:50 pm

Ed Policy is chief attorney. Been there a long time but not strictly speaking a football guy.

Milt Hendrickson is a high level scout with Gute's ear.

I am not as sure of the exact duties of Sullivan and Wojciechowski. Wojciechowski had been director of pro personnel, which I think means keeping an eye on talent on other teams, including their practice squad guys. So those waiver pickups might be on his recommendations. Usually there is a division between scouting college prospects and keeping tabs on personnel on other teams and street free agents.

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246toothpicks's picture

October 25, 2022 at 12:02 pm

Roadrunner. You are correct sir. On all six points. Couldn't agree more.

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croatpackfan's picture

October 24, 2022 at 08:56 am

You mentioned, TGR, that drop/fumble of Doubs on 4th & 1. Younger ACR would see that Watkins did not place his block, but run by defender and he was alone as ghost 5 yards away from any defender. That was possible long TD. Instead, ACR again throw the ball to young receiver who expected block in front of him. That drop shows that offense is not on the same page, and that ACR decide to go with called play instead to take advantage of broken play to his & Packers benefit. ACR from 2012 or 2014 would change the direction of the throw.

I'm not trying to attack or defend anyone, just want to say that inaccurate throws and missreading possibilities are very often result of father time (and past injuries). To me it looks like Doubs lost confidence in himself and playing under the huge amount of stress. Also, it was shown several times (I believe 3 times) where Packers had player behind 10 yards alone in the Washington secondary, and throws did not made to them (once was Tonyan, once was Doubs and 3rd was Am. Rodgers, I believe).

Regarding Amari Rodgers, I agree with many here that he is not PR or KR. But he show that he feel comfortable in the short passes in the middle of the field.

Is that enough to be 4th or 5th WR on the team I do not know, but it is worth to try him there and see what will be outcome.

There was, also, very few plays with both AJ &AJD in the backfield and when that happened they were both sent to sideline announcing Washington D that play will be pass. That is also unintelligent. If we had QB who can run (like Washington have) it may confuse opponent D, but with ACR, there is no way you can fool anyone.

All together, that was again pathetic performance on offense. D is OK, but time they have to play during the every game will produce more soft tissue injuries through the year.

I'm believer Jordan Love can become very good QB in NFL, but he needs real time experience. If Packers hit 3-9 or 4-8 record I say put Love as starter because season would be over. There is some games Packers can win (Lions and Tennessee) that may put them on 5-7 or even 6-6 record. In that case battle for play offs is still alive and we should play the best & healthy on the team.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 10:50 am

Very very poorly placed ball for a guy who has to catch it and then make yards. You never want a catcher having to pivot backwards to get it as his momentum has to be forwards both the make yards and take the hit.

There’s some real BS trying to shift responsibility for some of the incompletions. There were a few injury invites thrown, and not under pressure either and more that were too low or off on routine throws. Rhythm, but real.

It’s time to stop blaming the youth in the hope of taking some of the onus off the hero and, in turn, to start asking why we are throwing to guys with men draped on them constantly. The answer is the plays called. It starts with LaFleur.

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T7Steve's picture

October 24, 2022 at 09:02 am

Is there no one else to return punts besides Rodgers? Maybe they can have Newman do it now that he's freed up from the O-line.

Like I commented on Game Balls and Lame calls, why did it take so long for the coaches to see the O-line that we've called for here on CHTV since camp? As we saw in some other games this weekend, they need to run Jones and Dillan more even if they only get a couple yards a carry at first, because it wears down the D and helps the pass and it will bear fruit later in the game. If they're going to go 3 and out anyway, what's the difference? Need to pass with Rodgers being under center too.

TGR, is there a way to get a count on how many times they passed from under center or ran out of the shotgun? I know they ran some shovel pass plays out of the gun.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 12:22 pm

The only guy on this roster or PS who has punt return experience is Doubs, who was our primary returner in camp until the games began.

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T7Steve's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:50 pm

Wasn't that put Nixon back on kick offs after the muff? I'd try him. Except he actually made some plays on D I think, so maybe they don't want to. Maybe Toure?

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 05:56 pm

Punt returns are rather different from kicks. I’d not recommend just throwing a guy back there who hasn’t done it before in season to catch in traffic. I’d rather sign a SFA with history.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:54 pm

I am sure there are but I don't subscribe or even visit that many stat sites. Next Gen, PFF, Football Outsiders all seem likely bets to have that information.

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LLCHESTY's picture

October 25, 2022 at 04:27 am

Jason Wilde asked LaFleur about it being so lopsided today. He got on him a bit about not using play action, something the team has been good at under him compared to MM. It was around the 10 minute mark of the press conference. Wilde brought it up last week too. Rodgers did say he banged his thumb a couple times on snaps in the 1st half.

Playing out of the shotgun on short yardage situations has got to go. They went away from it for a couple games this year but it's back with a vengeance the last couple games.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

October 24, 2022 at 10:09 am

It would be nice to see the coaching staff actually make changes without it being due to injury. Would Zach Tom been in the game at all yesterday if Bakh was ready to go? I think they literally roll out the same line as they have before and failed. The inactivity of Bakh gave them a reason to make a change, not that their previous attempts at the best 5 OL was a complete failure.

Toure gets some targets after Lazard is out (with Cobb on IR and Watkins invisible). Amari (wow wow wow) gets some targets for the same reason. Both get receptions. No attempt to get them a role until game 7 and half your WR room is on IR or still recovering from an injury.

Lowry still has to get his 60% of the snaps and our DL is just "played" by the opposing teams OL. Slayton and Watts have looked OK in limited action, but no worries they won't see more until an injury occurs.

Even if MLF stays for 2023, every coach needs to go. Have interviews and let MLF interview, but downgrade everyone he likes.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 10:52 am

MLF needs to be the first out of the door. Meaningful change is not possible with him still there.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:07 am

I agree, but with Murphy in charge it just isn't happening. Maybe if anyone has a clue on the Executive Committee and they can rally the sheep then maybe firing Murphy might make it into discussion and maybe just maybe action. I'm not holding out any hope that is likely.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 02:33 pm

Sadly that is both the difference between should and will and also the reason why we are likely in an inevitable trajectory this year and perhaps beyond.

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Coldworld's picture

October 24, 2022 at 11:03 am

I am seriously trying to convince myself to stop watching until Matt LaFleur is no more. I love football and the Packers, but the predictability has now become inevitability and spread through the team. This is just going to get uglier and uglier while he’s the leader and tactician.

This kind of roster use and play calling is not only futile but painful and wasteful of talent. The acceleration into the ground has only just begun. Each of the last three weeks has negatively exceeded my underwhelming expectations and each time just exposed more cracks. We are set in a path and accelerating.

I wish i could tear myself away from the cratering yet to come. Sadly I’ve no faith in the leadership to even consider a turn if the wheel. Until then, there’s nothing to build on. No
Meaningful upside and the architect, Murphy sits untouchable.

The sad thing is I and some others warned about this being the most likely outcome in February. Some of us saw the signs well before but never thought we’d be this daft this year.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

October 24, 2022 at 06:57 pm

I have already asked for Monday off. If by some miracle GB beats Buffalo, I have my son's telephone number on speed dial to drive me home. And if GB gets walloped, it could be the same scenario. It could be an interesting snap count article!

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BAMABADGER's picture

October 24, 2022 at 08:46 pm

MLF lost this team for the season on Sunday. He is neither an inspirational HC or leader.

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