Packers 34, Cardinals 13: Game Balls / Lame Calls
Green Bay plays its best game this year, helped by Arizona.

There are days when you take the game from your opponent, and others when they hand it to you. Sunday was some of both at Lambeau, as the Packers enjoyed their most complete win of the season, 34-13 over the Arizona Cardinals.
It’s hard to beat any NFL team when you commit 13 penalties for 100 yards, which the Cards did. Arizona’s self-inflicted miscues slowed or stifled their own drives, while gifting extensions to Green Bay’s, enabling the Packers to jump out to a big early lead from which they never looked back.
Still, there were plenty of Packer positives to take away from this one. Romeo Doubs and Christian Watson returned to the lineup, and between them caught three of Jordan Love’s four touchdown passes. Love’s mobility and confidence showed continued improvement since returning from his knee injury, and we saw some of the pinpoint accuracy and touch he wowed the league with in the second half of last season.
The defense is still a work in progress, but it was heartening to see a game plan that bottled up one of the most dangerous running quarterbacks in the game. You can’t sell out to try to rack up sacks against a guy like Kyler Murray; instead the Packers kept up steady, disruptive pressure, often rendering Murray out of sorts and leaving his offense discombobulated overall. Meanwhile, the Packers D had three more takeaways, though X-man McKinney didn’t get an INT in his sixth straight game, which makes us all sad.
More than any other game this season, this one demonstrated that thanks to a young, talented roster and excellent coaching, the Packers have a high floor, one that should allow them to compete on any given day with anyone. How high is a consistent ceiling? Still unclear, but this game was a positive step toward finding out.
GAME BALLS
Romeo Doubs — Whatever happened last week is in the rear view, and Doubs came back strong. Jayden Reed is the most explosive of the receiver group, but Doubs is arguably the most reliable. He’s shown he can get open on any route anywhere on the field, and when the ball isn’t exactly where it should be, or the quarterback is under duress, he finds a way to be available. Doubs’ ability and instinct to stop and wait for Love’s under-thrown ball for his second touchdown was a classic, even if cornerback Sean Murphy-Bunting made it easier by failing to look for the ball himself. Honorable mention goes to Matt LaFleur, Doubs and everyone else involved in helping to defuse what could have been a lingering, disruptive situation after Doubs failed to practice and was suspended.
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Jordan Love — After a shaky first series, Love settled in for a 22-32, four-touchdown day with one INT that resulted from receiver Bo Melton slipping. His rope to a deep crossing Christian Watson in the second quarter was a thing to behold, hitting the open, speedy Watson in stride. His aforementioned second Doubs TD was a hero-ball throw, but in a situation where you are about to get sacked and your receiver is steps from the other team's goal line, as many good things as bad can happen. LaFleur has been creative at running motion and other pre-snap trickeration to keep defenses guessing, but the scheme still needs to diversify further with more play-action from under center, which apparently is dependent on Love’s knee recovering more fully. 🏈 🏈 🏈 🏈
Evan Williams — This kid just keeps showing up in big moments. His late third-quarter punch-out of a ball carried by receiver Greg Dortch deep in Green Bay territory, causing a fumble that was recovered by Jaire Alexander, ended what could have been a momentum-altering drive by Arizona. Then, Williams declined to join one of those the goofy celebrations in the end zone that if I were Roger Goodell would no longer be allowed by any team. Mad respect for young Mr. Williams.
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UNSUNG HERO
Emanuel Wilson — I confess, I thought this team would miss AJ Dillon, but Wilson has been excellent in the role, gaining 54 yards on just seven carries Sunday, compared with 62 yards on 18 carries for Josh Jacobs. And many of Wilson’s yards came when the game needed to be iced. Third stringer Chris Brooks has flashed a bit as well.
LAME CALLS
The secondary — The Packers continue to have few answers for opposing tight ends in the middle of the field. Murray found Trey McBride eight times for 96 yards, and it never looked like there was a plan to cover one of the league’s best players at the position. Meanwhile what looked like a top duo at cornerback before the season started has been anything but. Alexander and Eric Stokes have been mediocre, in a defense that often puts its corners on islands. The only depth of consequence behind them is Carrington Valentine, but at this point, availability isn’t the problem, it’s the quality of play by the starters.
Brayden Narveson — Boy am I sick of talking about this guy. It’s obviously a mental issue rather than a talent deficiency, which is probably why they keep sticking with him. But he keeps missing field goals — the most in the NFL in fact — and over time they will cost the team wins. Something has to change.
Lukas Van Ness — His lack of production is a serious issue. Rather than being a versatile chess piece who can get to the quarterback, he’s been a non-factor. The Packers need a lot more in the edge-rushing department, and so far LVN can only be described as a disappointment.
FINAL WHISTLE
Outside of getting throttled by the Vikings, the Packers have not faced a top 10 team. That will end next weekend when Houston comes to town, and Green Bay — particularly the defense — is going to have to step it up a notch or the result will be similar to the game against Minnesota. The Packers are mostly healthy now, so unless something untoward happens during this week of practices, there should be no excuses. C.J. Stroud is one of the leagues brightest new stars, and Houston’s defense is a migraine headache in pads. It will take all of LaFleur’s creativity, a smart Jeff Hafley game plan and a defense playing with its hair on fire to prevail. GPG.
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Jonathan Krim grew up in New York but got hooked on the Packers — and on hating the Cowboys — watching the Ice Bowl as a young child. He blames bouts of unhappiness in his late teens on Dan Devine. A journalist for several decades who now lives in California, he enjoys trafficking in obscure cultural references, lame dad jokes and occasionally preposterous takes. Jonathan is a Packers shareholder, and insists on kraut with his brats. You can follow Jonathan on twitter at @Jkrim.
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Comments (110)
Savage57
October 14, 2024 at 07:21 am
One of the bigger reasons TE's continue to feast on the Packers over the middle is JaQuavian Jy'Quese Walker.
He guesses. A lot. Usually wrong.
Him, Stokes, and Wyatt aren't making those other G 1st round picks look so good lately.
tobinrote
October 14, 2024 at 07:30 am
Dead right on Walker. Just not an nfl caliber ILB
Leatherhead
October 14, 2024 at 04:40 pm
Even though he's the leading tackler on a Top 10 defense.
Bitternotsour
October 14, 2024 at 05:27 pm
whoops!
Guam
October 14, 2024 at 07:56 am
Have to strongly agree Savage57. I spent some time focusing on Walker during the game and he can not read a play to save his life. "He guesses. A lot. Usually wrong." is a very precise analysis of his play. Cooper is coming on quickly and hopefully Hopper follows suit because the Packers need help at ILB.
Wouldn't give up on Wyatt yet. He was having his best year until he was injured. Walker and Stokes - I hear you loud and clear.
greengold
October 14, 2024 at 09:24 am
Solid, Guam, and I couldn't agree more with all of this. Gutekunst let some insane talents go by to take Stokes & Walker, the last being the most egregious of the picks, as he really hasn't played smart football since his drafting. Adding insult to injury, he's showing few instincts in pass coverage, aside from a handful of passes batted away.
Quay is fast enough, long enough to make picks, but...
Stokes? I am still going to cut him some slack, simply because of the extent of his injuries and surgical repairs, on a "speed," player. Most of the time, it takes a solid 2 years before you're all the way back from injuries like he had to both his knee and his foot. Stokes has instincts, and this system is new... Hopefully he stays healthy and can really progress over the next 11 weeks and into the playoffs.
Wyatt was making the turn, indeed, and I loved that pick. He's an insanely gifted big.
Guam
October 14, 2024 at 09:30 am
Good to hear from you GG! Hope all is well with you.
Walker has all the physical skills and none of the instincts of a football player. You can't draft on measurables alone.
greengold
October 14, 2024 at 09:36 am
Getting thrown out of 2 games his rookie season was a thing. FFS. Yeah, can't believe that stuff wasn't considered by Gutekunst and his scouting staff.
And, this isn't complaining, but rather calling it out because the minus column ticks are so readily apparent.
If we're simply batting around this team's readiness to take that next step as a legit Super Bowl contender, Kicker is still a problem, as is covering TEs across the middle, after week 6. Should be interesting to see how Gutekunst & LaFleur address both problems.
I'd bring back Mason Crosby in a heartbeat at this point.
One hella lot of good is being shown elsewhere on this team. All over the place.
Always good to see you and my friends here when I can jump in, and thanks, Guamers!
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 12:46 pm
Mason Crosby is now a radio host. So is Andy Herman! 8-9 AM, M-F, high up the dial (104.7?)
dblbogey
October 14, 2024 at 10:53 am
They made the same mistake with Van Ness. Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. Never liked the pick, and I'm an Iowa Hawkeye fan.
crayzpackfan
October 14, 2024 at 11:23 am
I'd be interested in seeing LVN moved inside more while Wyatt is on the mend. Perhaps he might be better their in the NFL game.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 12:48 pm
LVN inside, #7 outside. Try Cox and Mosby. Something has to change, but the unit is improving (rather than being stagnant)
Packerpasty
October 14, 2024 at 12:19 pm
That LVN choice was a head scratcher, especially up where he was picked...I seriously doubt any other team had him up that high, he may have not even been drafted in first round...Gutes fell in love with his speed and size and it doesnt translate into NFL talent as happens a lot..
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 12:49 pm
Fat lady has not sung.
Guam
October 14, 2024 at 02:33 pm
ColdWorld thinks Stokes is being mis-used in soft coverage rather than play to his strength in press man. Or he hasn't fully recovered from his injuries. Whatever the reason, he has never shown the form he had in his rookie season. He will need to progress to get another contract with the Packers. Would love it if he does, but he needs to get it going soon.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 12:50 pm
Yes. Right tool for the job. Without versatility, should anyone receive a second contract? Stokes and #7 seem to both be in that same boat ...
jannesbjornson
October 14, 2024 at 04:11 pm
Wyatt was not utilized by Barry and the predictable 3-4, but he still pulled in five sacks. He will be a Pro Bowl guy. Too bad someone rolled his ankle. Low man wins and he digs the dirt. I hope he returns to the field soon. Q Walker, I would trade.
21Savage
October 15, 2024 at 08:31 am
We didn't really let much talent go by to get Walker or Stokes. Stokes especially, because the '21 draft class was extremely rough overall. GB desperately needed a CB to pair with Jaire and he was the best available CB. Asante Samuel Jr has had a slightly better career than him so far (when you consider all the Stokes injuries), but that's pretty unpredictable, and Samuel would have been seen as a huge reach in the back end of the first. The only real botch of the '21 draft was taking Josh Myers over Creed Humphrey.
When Walker got taken, the only other MLB type who would have been draftable in that slot was Devin Lloyd, who has had his own struggles adjusting to the NFL also. And we desperately needed a Devondre Campbell replacement in that draft. If you got to re-select '22 with 20/20 hindsight, Linderbaum was the correct pick, but also Gute would have gotten roasted by the fans for taking centers high in two consecutive drafts anyway.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 12:43 pm
#7 has athleticism. He needs to be used to do what he's good at. If that makes him not an every down player? Maybe he's not a starter either, but on a rookie contract he should still be able to help the team. Stokes is similar in that in the right situations he's useful; either of them in the wrong situations are predictably bad. Right tool for the job is a coach's nightmare, and exactly the opposite of what our staff says they want. I don't blame them. Their job is harder when they have to use personnel just so.
There's depth developing behind them, with enough at S that it can spill over to CB and ILBs that can also play DB.
I'm not sure this roster is "complete" yet, but there are fewer holes than last season and in a big way. The injury bug has bitten hard enough this year that it should have adjusted expectations for the season, but maybe we'll skate on that? Some players are returning much better than worst case scenario and that seems to speak well for the strength and conditioning staff.
I'm not counting this team out yet, if they rise to even "just their talent level" I'm not sure they can't hang with any team in the league. Coaches have the job of getting them to perform ABOVE their talent level, as a team. They need time to gel, and we're watching that happen.
There's a lot of football still to be played, and basically everyone who got on the field contributed substantially. All our playmakers made plays, plus some unexpected flashes: Ben Simms caught a key pass with his shoelaces. The dropped pass in the end zone by #9, JL10 put more zip on that ball than I've EVER seen him throw with! His footwork was correct instead of throwing off-platform, and the ball got there so fast it surprised #9. People are making comparisons to Favre? I doubt that ball could be heard 20 yards away, neither do we need JL10 breaking the fingers of all his targets. Still, zip like that is a useful skill in the NFL and it's another gear we didn't know JL10 had.
Our O line gave JL10 time for a coke and a smoke; not all the time but has any team done that, ever? Definitely improvement! In run blocking, too. Our D line wasn't too shabby, and has contained some of the most dangerous mobile QBs in the league, LaMar Jackson excepted. A BIG improvement over last year's Giants game!
The arrow is pointing up, and the ceiling is nowhere in sight ...
GPG!
LambeauPlain
October 14, 2024 at 11:50 am
I believe he can be a very effective LB in Hafley's Defense. But not as the "Mike". That should be Cooper and Walker should be the Will or the Sam.
Walker's speed and size is offset by Cooper's read, reaction and quickness to the ball.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 12:52 pm
Yup, I'm very surprised they're still playing #7 as the Mike. He's very clearly out of position.
Madrcat
October 15, 2024 at 05:48 pm
Although I like the defense better this year, over the last 2 weeks I've seen shades of Joe Barry start to creep in. I wonder if that is Hafley or LaFleur bringing back those 10 yard off the ball cornerbacks?
Similarly, I haven't seen the production out of any of the edge rushers or LB's. In particular: Gary, VanNess, Smith, Walker or McDuffie. They all look like they forgot how to escape a block. Maybe it's the new scheme- but unless someone blitzes, or they stunt, the front line looks like pudding. Walker is having way too hard of a time calling plays and covering the middle. He is lost in this new defense and is out of position 9 out of 10 plays.
T7Steve
October 14, 2024 at 07:33 am
I'm glad Houston is a home game. I hope that will make the difference in the penalties like against AZ.
Does anyone know if Wyatt trending to health? He looked ok on the sidelines. I think he'd be a great help in this week's rotation.
I think Van Ness has got some games coming. This switch in his second season might have affected him more than others, although everyone else is noticing a lot less pressure too. I think it will come with the right situations. There don't seem to be too many QBs that aren't running threats anymore.
Savage57
October 14, 2024 at 08:00 am
Van Ness' problem is that he's a one trick pony, who relies solely on bull rushing.
NFL caliber tackles say "Hold my beer" when that's all the pass rusher across from them has.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 12:55 pm
LVN still has the potential to be a monster. Between him and #52 if they consistently get production out of ONE of them on the field at any given time that'll be major.
I want to see it ...
RCPackerFan
October 14, 2024 at 07:47 am
GAME BALLS
Romeo Doubs —
It was great to see Doubs back and making some big time plays. He deserves a game ball with couple of TD's.
Serious question. Did Doubs look right to everyone else? Something just looked off to me today with him. Now I'm just watching from my couch so I don't know what he looked like on the sidelines and whatnot. But it was definitely looking off to me.
Jordan Love —
Love looks like he is getting back into form. His deep ball has been very good so far this year. Last week the one to Reed, this week the one to Watson. Love's INT was not his fault. I hate on plays where the ball can hit a WR's hands and they drop it and it goes right to a defender and its called an INT. Same with a play where a WR falls down or whatever. I get that is what it is called, but that was not on Love.
Evan Williams —
Peanut Tillman would be very happy with the punchout. As good of a play as that one, another play that to me was equally impressive if not more is the 3rd down stop of Murray. Murray is not an easy QB to stop, but he read that perfectly and just stoned him. That was a huge moment in the game. Packers just went up 17-0, and they had 3rd and 1. If they get that first down, who knows what happens. But the next play is the punt that was fumbled and then the penalties offset and they had to punt again which led to Nixon's 39 yard return and the following play to Watson for the 44 yard TD.
This was a big play in the game.
UNSUNG HERO
Emanuel Wilson —
I really like Wilson. He runs with power, he runs with speed. He rarely takes a loss. He is always falling forward. He can be used in the passing game and in the running game. He is a really good player.
I'm really curious to see what happens this week with Lloyd now able to start practicing again.
LAME CALLS
Brayden Narveson —
He missed another kick to the right. He also missed it again from the left hash. He has to get that figured out.
Long Snapper -
There was a snap on an extra point that looked horrible. i don't know what happened, but I was impressed that Narveson made his kick. Because something was wrong with that.
DE's —
This isn't just LVN, this isn't just Gary... This is the whole group. They don't have a guy who can bend around the corner. LVN, Smith, Gary are all power rusher types. I think one thing going to the top of the need list in the next years offseason is adding a speedier guy who can bend the corner. That is one thing that seems to be lacking right now.
FINAL WHISTLE
Texans are going to be a very tough test. There are only 3 teams currently with 5 wins on the season. Texans, Vikings, Chiefs. They are currently 5-1 and only lost to the Vikings.
A little deeper dive.
The Texans beat the Colts 29-27 (3-3). (Packers beat the Colts the next week with Willis 16-10).
They beat the Bears 19-13 (4-2).
They lost to the Vikings (5-0) 34-7. (Packers lost to them 31-29)
They beat the Jaguars (1-5) 24-20.
They beat the Bills (3-2) 23-20.
They beat the Patriots 41-21 (1-5).
This will be a good test for sure. But I don't think the Texans are unbeatable.
Regardless, We just had our most complete game of the season. We are 4-2.
Lets enjoy some victory Monday!
Straya
October 14, 2024 at 08:46 am
Daniel Whelan has been doing a stellar job fielding some wild snaps as both punter and placeholder. Still, it can't be helping Narveson to have that going on in front of him
RCPackerFan
October 14, 2024 at 09:11 am
I really should have added Whelan as an Unsung Hero. Because he has to work hard to get snaps down. There was the one last week somehow he caught when it was about 10' over his head.
I really think there is something wrong with the operation. To me it starts with the long snapper. That has not really improved from last year. I watch other teams long snappers and they are much better.
Coldworld
October 14, 2024 at 11:52 am
The refusal to force real competition at LS is as baffling as the handling of the kicker. Orzech wasn’t reliable last year. He’s been no more do this. However, the kicking last year was by no means great but significantly better, so this likely isn’t the whole problem. The only link in this chain that is sound is the holder.
RCPackerFan
October 14, 2024 at 12:55 pm
I really think the LS is a huge problem. I wonder how many kicks the timing is off based on the snap. If the snap is a bit slower or faster, if that speed going back is different every time, it can throw off the timing. Also if the holder has to constantly reach around for the ball, it makes it a lot harder to get it put down exactly where the focal point is.
I just really think the LS is a bigger issue then people want to talk about.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 01:09 pm
I talked about this last year quite a bit. I don't know what the solution is but I find it cringe worthy to say things like "in Gute we trust" or MLF is candidate for coach of the year. They're like #7, flash moments of greatness, and sometimes suck.
As much as they demand improvement and consistency from their players, they are not exempt.
Major Snafu
October 14, 2024 at 09:53 am
All I know is when Narveson misses an important kick that costs us a game that maybe gets us into the playoffs: BLAME GUTT AND LEFLEUR FOR BEING TO FN CHEAP TO FIND A REPLACEMENT.
RCPackerFan
October 14, 2024 at 11:07 am
Who should they have replaced them with? Legit question.
They had Carlson last year and brought him back and brought in Joseph for competition. They didn't like either option. Brought in others along the way as well.
And went after a guy who did really well in the preseason.
So who should they went after?
Packerpasty
October 14, 2024 at 12:24 pm
And please people...dont say Mason Crosby, the old man could barely lift his leg and wasn't very good his last year in the NFL with the Giants...if anything get the dude who kicked for Arizona yesterday when their starter comes back..
RCPackerFan
October 14, 2024 at 01:03 pm
I have no problem moving on from Crosby when they did. He was getting older and it was time for them to move on. Thats fine. But they have to find the next guy.
To be fair, that guy nearly missed a kick yesterday too. The one barely went in the upright. I can't remember if it was a FG or extra point.
Spock
October 14, 2024 at 03:50 pm
"if anything get the dude who kicked for Arizona yesterday when their starter comes back.."
Ironically, the Packers HAD had that kicker in for a look see two weeks ago! So, it is entirely possible that the Packers might be interested in him more now!
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 01:12 pm
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Packerpasty
October 14, 2024 at 12:24 pm
And please people...dont say Mason Crosby, the old man could barely lift his leg and wasn't very good his last year in the NFL with the Giants...if anything get the dude who kicked for Arizona yesterday when their starter comes back..,
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 01:13 pm
Mason Crosby is a radio host.
Bitternotsour
October 14, 2024 at 05:33 pm
Yes - totally a money issue! They should have gone to the kicker store and bought the expensive model instead of the cheapo cheapo one. FN Gutekunst and LaFleur.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 01:11 pm
MLF doesn't make personnel decisions.
You've been told this dozens of times.
Green Bay Shareholder
October 14, 2024 at 12:20 pm
I'm glad someone else noticed Doubs after he scored both times - looked like his dog just died, no celebration, no Lambeau Leap, his teammates looked much happier for him than he was for himself. Glad for the results and having him on the field obviously, just not sure whatever the underlying issues are, are completely resolved. Hope he is enjoying the ride as they say, sure looked like everyone else was yesterday !
RCPackerFan
October 14, 2024 at 01:04 pm
I'm hoping everything is good and he is able to fully move forward. But something just looked off.
Norm
October 14, 2024 at 01:21 pm
Yeah, Doubs looks like he's in some serious emotional pain. I hope he gets the help he needs. I know his teammates are supporting him but I suspect he needs more than that. Just my unprofessional opinion.
LambeauPlain
October 14, 2024 at 03:18 pm
I was at the game and sit behind the Packers bench (row 29) and saw his joy, captured in the picture atop of this article.
After his first TD and the group celebration in the end zone he jogged back to the sideline, smile on his face and hugs, high fives, congratulations all around.
Doubs is, was, and will be one of the quietest players on the team. Every interview he is very thoughtful, introspective, and gives specific answers to questions. Not the usual boiler plate "keep improving each and every day" or "just trying to give 110%". He will often pause and state, "that is a good question" then give an in depth answer.
He simply has a low key personality but is very well spoken and intelligent. And I believe what you saw yesterday is he has teammates that truly care about him.
I am not going to second guess him saying the absence from the team was not due to the game plan or his use. I will also accept his answers it was due to a personal issue he did not want to discuss publicly. And he showed maturity stating he should have handled it better.
Like his Team and Coaches...moving on.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 01:15 pm
Thank you for this. Sincerely!
Starrbrite
October 14, 2024 at 10:39 pm
Right —he displayed zero enthusiasm. In the past he was more animated.
Packerpasty
October 14, 2024 at 12:27 pm
Nope, Doubs does not look "right"...something going on mentally with him...depression, anxiety...something but the doesnt look like a happy camper...doubt it has anything to do with targets or anything like that...hope the young man gets it figured out, gets some help if needed....
Coldworld
October 14, 2024 at 12:43 pm
Demovsky made him laugh. Doubs might just be both focused on redemption and very uncomfortable with being in the limelight personally. Both would be in character prior to last week.
Do you ever remember a Doubs celebration? He’s over with others when they score regularly, not standoffish, but I’ve noticed in prior years that he is noticeably undemonstrative for his own successes. Let him be and hopefully that will assist him as he moves forward. He produced today and, as long as he is, all is well as a Packer fan.
RCPackerFan
October 14, 2024 at 01:06 pm
It definitely looked off to me.
Now that being said its just what I saw basically after the TD's. I have no clue what he looked like before and after the game. How he was on the sidelines. Was he checked into the game or out of the game. No idea.
I'm hoping for him though, this was as step in the right direction.
Spock
October 14, 2024 at 04:02 pm
I wonder if Doubs might have a mild form of autism and just doesn't show emotion. Who knows what it is, but as others have said, Doubs hasn't shown a lot of emotion in the past either. I remember when I was in high school, I knew a guy who never smiled or frowned. I got talking to him one day and it turned out he had a great sense of humor but never smiled because he had (literally) fallen out of the back of a truck when younger and landed on his face. The result was damage to the nerves, and he didn't smile because he couldn't!
Starrbrite
October 14, 2024 at 10:36 pm
I’m with you on Doubs—his enthusiasm meter is very low and his interview comments are carefully worded. Maybe that’s his personality—???
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 01:17 pm
Sounds like a great character for a successful WR in the NFL. Also like a great combination with JL10
cdoemel
October 15, 2024 at 05:42 pm
He’s always been that way. You’re just paying attention to his mannerisms now more than before. He’s a low-key, non-demonstrative guy who probably wishes everyone would stop talking about him
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 01:03 pm
RCP:
" I think one thing going to the top of the need list in the next years offseason is adding a speedier guy who can bend the corner."
#7 has that. Is he "too small to play the position?" What does Maxx Crosby weigh again? Agreed this is a need. Maybe the #1 priority besides kicker?
I'm not ready to move on to next game either, I'd rather bask in this DOMINANT win a little longer, but I'm surprisingly not skeered of Houston if this team can keep improving ... that was a really well played game, still with some room to improve. I get the hunch that coaches and players are starting to gel a bit, figuring out how to get this train rolling ...
GPG!
Madrcat
October 15, 2024 at 06:10 pm
Doubs needs to grow up. I really like and support him. But that emotionless attitude he showed on Sunday is something the team can do without. I hope it was a one game trying to make a point attitude, cause he is not flawless in a receiving corps of talented players. (Remember the tipped pass into his hands that he shuffled over to the LB for an interception the week before the suspension.)
Guam
October 14, 2024 at 08:05 am
I don't think it is just Van Ness. The entire DE group has been light on production this year. I certainly expected more from Gary, Smith, Van Ness and Enagbare. Part of the issue is that they have had to play contain against QBs like Jackson, Richardson and Murray, but they have generated little pressure against less mobile QBs like Darnold too. This needs to change or it will bite the Packers against better teams (like it did against Baltimore and Minnesota).
dobber
October 14, 2024 at 08:32 am
We come back to the DE group, and they're clones of each other....they profile physically about the same and there's not much in the way of outright speed. Sure, the Packers have great depth there, and I think Enagbare in particular has had a good year so far, but they're missing something.
jannesbjornson
October 14, 2024 at 11:10 am
Hopefully Wyatt gets back on the field. His quick, inside game should help the DEs. If they remain static, get a guy by the trade deadline. Karl Brooks should be on the field for most of the plays. Hafley may be holding back on stunt games until the season unfolds. Enagbare has the edge speed they need.
Coldworld
October 14, 2024 at 12:52 pm
I suspect you are right on the holding back possibility. The use of the DL has largely been very vanilla. It seems unlikely that Haffley doesn’t have more inventiveness in him.
Coldworld
October 14, 2024 at 01:41 pm
They have 2 DEs on the roster that profile differently. Cox and particularly Mosby. One has never been active and the other has not played a defensive snap I believe. There are variations he could try but hasn’t in both personnel and usage.
He was talking pregame about moving players from inside to out and vice versa, but I don’t ever recall swing that or a stunt. Incredibly vanilla usage despite the homogeneity of type. I have to believe that’s a deliberate tactic, I’m just not sure why at this point, at least to the current extent.
LLCHESTY
October 14, 2024 at 10:54 pm
They stunted some in the 2nd half of the Rams game and it worked a bit. Karl was lined up outside on his half sack and LVN had lined up inside a few times. Against the Rams he stunted with Gary and moved Stafford up into Preston.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 01:21 pm
I can imagine this as strategy to keep under wraps until later in the season, or to pull out in a close game that's within reach.
Of course that has no bearing on reality, but those hopes haven't been dashed yet.
dblbogey
October 14, 2024 at 05:42 pm
Kenny Clark and Rashan Gary have not played up to their standards. That hurts. The return of Wyatt will help a little, but Clark and Gary have to step it up. LVN is giving us very little - 13th pick in the draft.
Starrbrite
October 14, 2024 at 10:44 pm
I believe Clark is the catalyst for improvement. When he’s rolling, it seems like the others raise their games.
cdoemel
October 15, 2024 at 05:55 pm
We know the DE group can play. We’ve seen it. Just throwing this out there, could it be Hafley’s scheme against some of the more mobile QB’s we seen? Could be a combination of containment and pressure. Most defensive ends in the NFL are gonna lose a foot race With Kyler Murray or Jalen Hurts. Btw, Quay has 51 tackles to date,13th in the NFL.
NFLfan
October 14, 2024 at 08:37 am
Game Balls: Jordan Love looks confident, accurate and seems to be a joy to be around. Christian Watson looked confident and graceful. Romeo is brilliant and I so enjoyed the warmth and camaraderie shown him by his team mates.
Evan Williams is the smart, game-ready and tackles with intelligence. Did I see him side-by-side with the front 4 @ times?
Emmanuel Wilson was wonderful and Josh Jacobs got a work-out and was impressive.
Lame Balls: Gary, Smith, I wonder if these guys are out of shape? I would like to see a focus on diet, weight (fat) loss. They seem sluggish and overweight. I know one needs weight and power but neither of their bodies have the more muscular look of Bosa or Watt. DE's need explosive ability and that comes from strong musculature and less fat.
Gute/Haffley succeeded with the Safety selections, so the current needs are Corners, LBs, and DLs. I would like them to choose players who have already shown excellence in their positions, high character and not just beautifully built projects w/potential.
Corners, LBs and DL are dragging the team.
No words about Narveson-
dobber
October 14, 2024 at 08:44 am
I wasn't worried about Doubs getting his chances...he always gets a good target share from Love, and Love seems to look for him in the end zone. Was it Doubs who stopped his route on the outside and allowed the DB to be in position to make the INT? With Melton coming across on the pass, it seems unlikely that both WR were supposed to be in that spot.
Evan Williams is having the look of a guy that Bears, Lions, and Vikings fans will come to despise. His staying home on Murray and dropping him for a loss was a thing of beauty...I'm hoping everyone who panned him as a draft pick because he didn't profile as a speed guy is rethinking that. Add Brooks beating Murray to the sideline on a scramble, being disciplined, and taking away the run (forcing a throwaway). Great football.
Emanuel Wilson is getting better every week, and even with his size, he plays with tempo. I made the comparison before that he reminds me a lot of Maurice Jones Drew on the field--a bowling ball covered in razor blades.
We can get after the secondary, but right now, the best unit on the defense is clearly the safety group. The Packers are leaning into that depth and strength. I'll agree that I find it interesting that Nixon seems to be a favorite of Hafley, but I'm not sure that Alexander and Valentine weren't both on pitch counts. Stokes was clearly beaten on a corner/fade by one of AZ's UDFA WRs, and he was saved by an overthrow. Houston will test the secondary next week, and they're going to score points.
The edge group just flat out lacks a change-up. They're all big, physical guys, but none has afterburners. They need a speed guy to help change things up against opposing OTs.
jannesbjornson
October 14, 2024 at 11:15 am
The ball to Melton was a design for a first down strike at the minimum and Doubs would have been the pick guy/blocker if Melton secured the ball, not falling down. Almost a rub play.
Madrcat
October 15, 2024 at 05:51 pm
Over the last three weeks, if you notice- opposing QB's continue to pick on Nixon for any critical down. He needs help.
Bitternotsour
October 14, 2024 at 08:56 am
God almighty, reading through the comments you'd think the Packers just gave up 38 points. The linebackers suck, the defensive line sucks, yada yada yada. Get a grip on yourselves.
NFLfan
October 14, 2024 at 09:05 am
@BN-The author explicitly asked for Lame Balls as well as Game Balls.
It should be allowed for fans to discuss their concerns w/o being harshly criticized.
It is a fact that there are a number of players who are not doing their 1/11th and this results in others needing to pick up their slack. This is a fan forum and we are responding to explicit questions by an author of an article expressly asking for our opinions.
cdoemel
October 16, 2024 at 12:38 pm
Exactly where does the author “explicitly” ask for reader opinions? Can’t find that.
WestCoastPackerBacker
October 14, 2024 at 09:33 am
Yep, every week, even with a win there is a complaint about the pass rush. Doesn’t seem to matter that they contained A dangerous running quarterback. Doesn’t seem to matter that they held them to 13 points. Doesn’t seem to matter that they forced several turnovers again. No, there has to be complaints about the pass rush, even though Murray was running all over the field and never got comfortable.
greengold
October 14, 2024 at 09:57 am
I agree, WCPB. Murray is a different cat entirely, and they had to do their best to stay home.
Packers are learning Hafley's new system, new responsibilities, and rank #21 overall. Pass D ranks #23 overall. But, what I dig is our RUN D ranking #11 overall. THAT is a huge plus, considering we sucked quite badly on RUN D under Joe Barry throughout his tenure.
Improvements are also readily apparent in our SCORING D rank of #13 overall. That is another huge change on the plus side of the Packers ledger. THIRD DOWN D is also ranked #13 overall. #17 in yds allowed per game... #14 overall in points allowed per game with 20.1. There is a lot to like.
Still need to see a huge jump in INTs by our D. Granted, the Packers have 7 currently, but that ranks #31 in the NFL. SF has 22 INTs on D. GB ranks #23 in PDs. These are stats that should improve moving forward this season, and they will come with more role familiarity amongst those in the secondary, and even better pressure on QBs. The Packers do have ballhawks, and my guess is we will realize a big uptick over the next 6-8 games, and more again to close the regular season and hopefully deep into the playoffs.
As for the PRESSURE everyone is pounding on, GB ranks #13 overall in QB HURRIES, #16 in SACKS.
How about this as well? While we didn't snap an INT on D, we still had some impressive stats in what I consider, "the hustle plays." A FF by both Evan Williams and Karl Brooks each. 3 FR, with JA, Karl Brooks and Kenny Clark each getting one. 2 nice PD by both JA and Nixon. 2 TFL with Quay and Williams ringing that bell.
I still think we will be seeing Kalen King moved onto the 53 from the PS at some point this season, and he might be one of our best ballhawks not named McKinney or Williams. It's still early with this Packers D feeling their way through Hafleys new system. I wasn't looking for marked improvement until after week 8 or 9, myself. There's a lot of stuff going on back there in our secondary.
Another PS player for the Packers whom I feel should get some call ups for snaps is DE Deslin Alexandre. He's got SPEED attached to his resume. 4.83 40 in 73rd %, 35" vertical in 84th %, and a 7.07 3-cone in the 86%. PLUS, he brings pressure and is also a solid run defender.
RUN STOP was fighting with SCORING D as top needs to be addressed by GB this offseason. Quay gets beat up a lot by fans, but, he led the team in tackles v. ARI with 11. Bullard had 8. Edge Coops had 8. X Mac had 4. Williams had 4... McDuffie 3, Hopper 3, Wilson 3, Nixon 3, Gary 3. The Packers held ARI to 89 total yds rushing.
Another problem that needed to be addressed this offseason was getting our D off the field. ARI only converted 4 of 10 3rd down attempts. Good.
Patience is indeed a virtue, and we have a hella lot of football left to be played this season.
triad
October 14, 2024 at 05:12 pm
Appreciate the stats, but idk where you found those interception numbers. Per pro-football-reference.com, MN leads the NFL with 11 interceptions, Packers are third with 9.
Leatherhead
October 14, 2024 at 05:57 pm
I'm a little confused about that, too.
LLCHESTY
October 14, 2024 at 10:58 pm
I think those were last year's numbers.
greengold
October 15, 2024 at 10:32 am
Just a heads-up, "I'm not insured for this," is one of my favorite quotes.... Iggy Pop.
I try. Appreciate the catch.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 01:30 pm
GG, +1. Some have said this defense looks no different from Joe Berry's. They weren't watching the same games I was! Sometimes the bottom line RESULTS were similar, but everything else is different. For the better.
Thanks for that collection of stats! Still room for improvement, but much better already.
GPG!
Coldworld
October 14, 2024 at 12:06 pm
I agree with you on this. This was the best tactical game from Hafley and the best executed by the players this far by some way. It’s true that it doesn’t speak to past failures to sack Darnold or Stafford without blitzing, but it eviscerated AZs game plan and Murray’s strengths.
I find it a little strange that the lack of sacks is such a focus here, now. It’s relevant and concerning to the season as a whole, but almost entirely irrelevant to the game yesterday and our performance in it.
Packerpasty
October 14, 2024 at 12:32 pm
pretty tough to sack a guy as slippery as might mouse is..the contain worked very well which is as important..
Leatherhead
October 14, 2024 at 06:04 pm
There was a play where Murray was breaking the pocket and going right, and Brooks hustled out there and kept Murray from getting to the sidelines, so he pulls up and heaves an incomplete.
I don't think Brooks got a sack, hit, or pressure for that play, but he prevented Murray from getting loose. It was a good play by a guy who got some snaps because Wyatt was injured, and he really made the most of them.
We're not seeing sacks. You know what else we're not seeing? QBs breaking the pocket and having a big play against us. We're not seeing 'late hit' penalties. It certainly looks to me like the overall strategy is to keep the QB in the pocket and make him throw.
Major Snafu
October 14, 2024 at 09:51 am
NIce game. Cant stand Murry was hoping he would get flattened like a pancake. He's an arrogant little bastard.
Told wife I think AZ had an issue with the cold and the football. It wasn't 80 and sunny and playing on artificial surface so Murry could run around a lot.
Good game packers.
One Comment: Alexander, just play the dam game you aint that great and still cant tackle and old lady with a cane so your lip service is just getting you penalties that dont help.
LLCHESTY
October 14, 2024 at 11:01 pm
Did your wife laugh at you when you told her that? If not she should have.
GregC
October 14, 2024 at 10:02 am
I don't agree with the "lame call" on the secondary. The safeties have been great, and Jaire Alexander has been very good as well. The #2 CB position has even been good for the past two games, although of course the opposing WRs have not been very good. It looks like there is a transition in progress as Stokes takes a lesser role and is replaced by some combination of Nixon and Valentine.
LambeauPlain
October 14, 2024 at 11:43 am
Yep. I believe the Safeties are the strength of the Defense. They reinforced that again yesterday. Certainly not "lame" secondary players.
The 3 Samurai Safeties played together most of the game and were heavily & effectively involved in run Defense...especially the 2 rookies. That freed up opportunities for McBride which the good TE capitalized on.
But holding the Cards to 214 yards passing and 89 yards rushing was due, in large measure to the Safeties. Murray was in Bullard's "vision and break" often...and when he wasn't, Williams had him in sight. The Cardinals O runs through Murray's arms and legs... and the Safeties shut down both. Shutting down Conner too was delightful.
Interestingly, the CBs were mostly the tandem of Alexander and Nixon (who the Cards did not attack much). Stokes stayed on the bench most of the game...and Valentine watched the entire D from there.
NFLfan
October 14, 2024 at 10:25 am
Playing the Houston Texans will give a better evaluation of Packer's strengths and weaknesses.
Yesterday's game was fun and filled fans with optimism but the Cards were clearly not the contestant the Texans will be.
Coldworld
October 14, 2024 at 12:20 pm
The cards can be a handful. It’s daft to deny it. It also doesn’t mean that they are a rounded team or a good D. In this game the O exploited their defensive mediocrity and Hafley managed to neutralize Murray. Offensively if he’s contained and not given a lot of time, that makes them one dimensional. That and the deficit just magnified that.
I don’t read much into CB usage as a result or to the issues with TEs. McBride was never going to turn the game alone. Hafley was right to not focus on stopping him at the cost of adjusting what was working. It didn’t even get within range of being a legitimate threat to anything other than a semblance of respectability, and ultimately failed to deliver even that.
Similarly, when Harrison left the game, what little deep threat on the perimeter left too. Taking off Stokes, who was all over Harrison earlier, made sense. The CBs were really not required to cover much beyond 6/7 yards and spent more time assisting inside. If we had another Nixon, I’d have rested Jaire too—and I almost never see Nixon as a good idea on the perimeter generally.
greengold
October 14, 2024 at 12:39 pm
"The cards can be a handful." Yes. Ask San Francisco...
Good stuff, Coldworld. All of it.
ricky
October 14, 2024 at 10:38 am
The second TD throw to Doubs was very similar to the pick-six that Love threw last week. Both times, he was off balance and just heaved the ball and hoped something good would happen. Neither throw should have been attempted. In each case, it ended up being a TD throw- the difference being as to which team scored.
GregC
October 14, 2024 at 11:32 am
There was one crucial difference between those two plays: This time, Love was not falling to the ground, so he was able to get enough on the throw for the WR to make the play. DBs are at a big disadvantage on those kinds of throws, which is why they often result in catches or defensive pass interference penalties.
Coldworld
October 14, 2024 at 12:33 pm
Not a lot of risk throwing behind a WR on the sideline if you know your WR can track and be prepared for a back shoulder adjustment.
Sure, Love was throwing over a blitzer. But Love knew the blitzer just vacated the space between him and where his receiver would be. That’s a time tested classic blitz beating throw. One risk averse Rodgers used over and over. Why? Because if the ball doesn’t reach the WR, there’s nothing but turf. The biggest risk is the WR can’t complete the catch adjustment.
Details are everything. In this situation, Love saw the field, trusted Doubs, who visibly anticipates the ball, stops, adjusts and catches it uncontested. Nelson would have been proud of that one. A great play by Doubs, but it does take 2.
pantz_bURp
October 14, 2024 at 11:02 am
Why you all missed it?
Tucker Kraft reinacting the QB sneak from the 67 Ice Bowl.
Come on you so called Packer diehards. Time to get into mid-season form!!!
Yours,
Pantz (running the slantz)...in the backyard against 4' tall yews playing DB against me. They don't stand a chance.
Coldworld
October 14, 2024 at 12:36 pm
Interesting that Kraft and the players came up with that with position coaches. LaFleur was not a fan when he heard of it, but they inserted it in practices and it kept working and it changed LaFleur’s mind. Credit to him for calling it, admittedly.
LambeauPlain
October 14, 2024 at 03:27 pm
I heard that too! Matt said he didn't like the play but finally relented. I don't know if we will see it much in the future. Matt doesn't seem to be a "tricksie" coach. The crowd went nuts, though!
Spock
October 14, 2024 at 04:29 pm
I read on another site that LaFleur also drew up the 44 yard pass play on the sidelines just before the play! Apparently, Love told the reporter(s) that MLF came up with it on the fly and the article (it was on Fan Sided in an article called, "Jordan Love's crazy Matt LaFleur story is the best part of the Packers' Week 6 win"). MLF quote from the article: "Its something that's in our system," LaFleur added. "We were just looking at the pictures and seeing how they responded to when we tried to hit Tucker [Kraft] on what we call a sail route earlier, and just noticed how the backside safety was playing it. It was just one of those sideline adjustments. We had that play up a couple weeks ago. Not the formation or anything like that, but these guys have banked reps on things, and as a coach, you have confidence that they can go out and execute it."
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 01:38 pm
THAT, is MLF at his best!
Handsback
October 14, 2024 at 11:39 am
The Packers are playing winning football right now. Controlling the LOS while imposing their will on the other teams. I believe the best RB combo in the league is Jacob/Wilson. Now let’s look at the team in what they can do better…more sacks, close the middle of the field, kick longer field goals, and take what the opponent gives you verses forcing the ball to a receiver.Everyone of those weaknesses can and probably will be improved on as the season progresses. They are a VERY young team and will get better. They are learning the hard part, play as a team and impose their will. Next step is having the confidence that they can beat any team anytime. That may come sooner than we expect.
Two things I agree with mentioned above; maybe go on 4th downs instead of long FGs, and Doubs may be fighting some personal issues that could continue to haunt him.
This will be a very entertaining season.
JMHO
LambeauPlain
October 14, 2024 at 12:08 pm
Love is hand in glove with the Offense, especially in awareness where the receivers are going to be as he goes through his reads so quickly. He doesn't stare down his targets...he scans the field and fires the ball when he sees a receiver with a step.
That pass to Watson over the middle in traffic, albeit with a step was elite. He's "getting so much better all the time"...to call up additional Beatles' lyrics.
Packers0808
October 14, 2024 at 01:21 pm
Liked the Emmanuel Wilson from day ONE as FA. They guy really seems to be coming on and into his own.!
Gman1976
October 14, 2024 at 01:34 pm
After our kicker missed another FG, I was pining for Joseph who got picked up by the Giants until Joseph missed 2 FGs in the night game!
Coldworld
October 14, 2024 at 02:06 pm
Regression to the mean. The problem we have is we don’t know if Narveson’s mean is at, above or still below what we are getting. His college career is sub 80 and boosted by one year in a small conference where he was 14/15, a level he never approached in his 4 subsequent seasons elsewhere.
He is currently standing at 70.6% for this season: 12 out of 17 attempts. Thats not even close to acceptable. His only company below 75%? Joseph at 72%, 8 of 11.
For me we’ve reached the point where to simply plod on in hope is negligence. Unless Hales is a real option now, Gute needs to add competition on the PS at a minimum, to get them familiar with the rest of the unit.
Practice was never better than it was this week per LaFleur. Yet he apparently couldn’t hit anything in warm ups. What does that tell us? Practice isn’t telling them anything. That in turn means patience is nothing more than blind hope. Moreover, that’s hope for a guy who was a sub 80% college kicker.
No, the time is past to just sit. Some move to improve our options needs to be made now.
LambeauPlain
October 14, 2024 at 04:30 pm
The best indication of future performance are past results. That principle served me well as a manager.
Past results for Narveson have been stubbornly consistent as you point out, LH. What the Packers see is likely what they will get.
The team is playing improved complementary football. Even STs are improving...except for the Kicker.
Kind of a big deal for the Packers who look ready to compete with any team on their schedule. Expect close games...field goal drive games.
Hale is a freebie PS spot (International Player). So I agree to add another K to the PS. Replace one of the 3 CBs and 2 WRs.
If Narveson continues to kick at his "mean" (or worse) for his next game...or 3, need options, indeed!
PS should include Hale vs "New Guy".
Starrbrite
October 14, 2024 at 10:56 pm
Right CW—no time to waste—a change is vital.
SicSemperTyrannis
October 15, 2024 at 01:47 pm
I'm still surprised they didn't take Anders Carlson on the PS. Obviously Gutey needs to do something. I've read that our International player isn't eligible to play in a game this year, by rule. Europe or CFL is where I thought Gutey would look, after the draft and before OTAs. Now?
Mister Chievous
October 14, 2024 at 02:46 pm
narveson is awful and has to go. he has already cost the team one game and arguably the eagles game, too. with a good kicker, the pack is 5-1 or 6-0. so much effort on the kickoffs with little distance. he can't get the ball into the end zone.
hasn't Nixon already uslurped stoke's starting spot? I think krim missed that one.
love, while having a good game, needs to be better. one week after saying he needs to make better decisions, he again throws up a ball for grabs identical to the one he was intercepted on. doubs bailed him out. love also missed sims for an easy touchdown down the sideline by under-throwing him by 15 yards. not 15 feet. 15 yards.
Lphill
October 14, 2024 at 03:47 pm
Houston beat up on a bad team with a raw QB , Stroud had a decent day , Packers should take this game .
pantz_bURp
October 14, 2024 at 03:55 pm
Lame Calls, No Balls
I got it! Everytime Narveson misses a FG or Xtra Point...he is QB for the next 4th and whatever [QB sneak]. >>>motivation shouldn't be an issue<<<
We need to go for it every 4th down. Heck, unless Narvy getz thrown for a loss...we will be ahead with the opposition starting a little closer to their end zone.
Brilliant!
As always,
P carrying the G
Madrcat
October 15, 2024 at 06:03 pm
I said it last year and will say it again. The kicking game starts with the long snapper, and ours is not good.
Narveson is easy to fix. When he kicks left of center field or on the left hash mark, he is wide right. When he kicks from the right, he has to aim more to center and his kicks are money. I'm hoping he finally figured that out as if you noticed on his last field goal, you could see him lining up to almost kick at the left upright. His kick was true. Last year Carlson missed almost every kick the LS put behind the holder Whelan's head, disrupting the timing. Cost him his job.
Over the last 2 years, I have not been impressed with the job Bisaccia has done with Special Teams. Other than some big plays by Nixon, (and remember how long that change took!), he has not done anything overly impressive with any of the units.