Packers 30, Seahawks 13: Game Balls / Lame Calls
Green Bay punches Seattle early, keeps pressure on for big win

It seems to be the new Packers’ formula: Punch ‘em in the mouth early, build a solid lead and then let the opposition slowly creep back in so that by late in the third quarter it’s time to sweat. Sunday night in Seattle seemed to be following the script until QB Geno Smith went down, after which the rout was easily preserved.
Which is not to take anything away from Green Bay’s stellar performance overall. Vital contributions came from returning players and throughout a roster that hasn’t always played to its potential, especially on defense. On this night, those Packers gave future opponents several reasons to start sweating ahead of time.
Much has been made of how the Pack’s four losses have come against three teams with only two Ls apiece. It’s a notable accomplishment, especially considering the wins without Jordan Love, but it ignores the games against Houston, Jacksonville and Chicago that Green Bay was lucky to survive. But what we’ve seen more recently, against Miami, San Francisco and now Seattle, is a team ready and able to take care of business against stronger competition with smart, physical play. It bodes well.
GAME BALLS
Edgerrin Cooper — Welcome back. We could list a dozen worthy recipients of game balls, but none more important than the rookie who was sorely missed while out nursing a hamstring. The linebacking corps has been a weak spot all season, with Cooper the bright spot when he was given snaps. Sunday’s game was proof positive that he is critical to the success of Jeff Hafley’s defense, as he terrorized Seattle against the pass and the run, with an interception (and nearly two), a sack, six solo tackles, two of them for losses. 🏈 🏈 🏈 🏈 🏈
Romeo Doubs — Back from concussion protocol, Doubs’ return was nearly as important. For all the talk about the plethora of Packers who can catch the ball, Doubs is the linchpin. With two touchdowns on only five targets — the second of which was a circus catch that iced the game — Doubs demonstrated that he’s the most reliable route runner and clutch receiver of the bunch. 🏈 🏈 🏈 🏈 🏈
Christian Watson — Speaking of circus catches, Watson’s fourth-quarter pirouette along the sideline while catching the ball over his shoulder and keeping both feet inbounds was jaw-dropping. He’s Mr. Explosive Play, which can be feast or famine, but as he gets more targets he’ll exert more influence simply by requiring opposing defenses to double him, freeing up his colleagues to do more damage. 🏈 🏈 🏈 🏈
Kingsley Enagbare — Enagbare was right behind Cooper in the disruption department, wreaking havoc in Seattle’s backfield with two of the team’s seven sacks and three tackles for loss, often killing Seahawk drives. In fact, in one Seattle series Enagbare made all three stops. 🏈 🏈 🏈 🏈
UNSUNG HERO
Carrington Valentine — In addition to a second quarter interception in the end zone that stifled a Seattle scoring opportunity, he had perhaps his best game in coverage, helping to limit Seattle’s passing attack to a net of 128 yards.
LAME CALLS
Evan Williams — The rookie had perhaps his worst game as a Packer, slipping and allowing big receptions by Jaxon Smith-Njigba on two occasions early in the game. Williams has done far more good than harm during this season, so let’s chalk this up to one bad game.
The Sideline — Clock management, time out management and challenge management were mishandled at various moments, which ultimately are Matt LaFleur’s responsibility. Whoever is in the booth advising the head coach on challenges should be replaced, as MLF is now 0-6 for the season, according to play-by-play man Mike Tirico. It’s an unacceptable number, and they cost the team timeouts. And speaking of timeouts, the team’s penchant for burning them early in halves is too often a reflection of slow or poor communication. This was a Packer staple in the Rodgers/McCarthy era, and it’s disappointing to see it continue. Against Seattle, it left the Packers with no timeouts with five minutes left to play, an eternity. Had a couple of late plays gone differently, the Packers might have needed them.
And finally, the clock management in a sequence at the end of the first half was beyond baffling. With 36 seconds left and timeouts in hand, Jordan Love and LaFleur let the seconds tick down to about 12 seconds before Love threw a deep sideline pass that resulted in a pass interference call near the goal line. But with the clock now under five seconds it forced LaFleur to kick a field goal rather than chance going into the locker room empty-handed.
FINAL WHISTLES
We could have given flowers to so many: LaFleur for great game planning; Josh Jacobs for his first half and the O-line for making it possible; Tucker Kraft for his usual artistry; Love for a solid game; the D-line for multiple sacks without blitz help and a defense that flew to the ball and flat out beat Seattle up.
But let's not lose sight of the overall value of this win. Seattle had been on a roll, and their stadium is one of the toughest venues for visitors, although at one point enough Packer partisans chanted a sustained “Go Pack Go” that could be heard on the broadcast. Had Green Bay lost, a wild card spot would have been in jeopardy, the way the Rams and Commanders have been playing recently.
Now, with a win next Monday night at home against the Saints, the Packers will sew up a playoff spot and perhaps even be in a position to rest some people before the playoffs. It’s a good feeling. GPG.
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Jonathan Krim grew up in New York but got hooked on the Packers — and on hating the Cowboys — watching the Ice Bowl as a young child. He blames bouts of unhappiness in his late teens on Dan Devine. A journalist for several decades who now lives in California, he enjoys trafficking in obscure cultural references, lame dad jokes and occasionally preposterous takes. Jonathan is a Packers shareholder, and insists on kraut with his brats. You can follow Jonathan on twitter at @Jkrim.
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Comments (85)
ddepula418
December 16, 2024 at 07:06 am
MLF is horrible on challenges. That was a stupid one last night. Time management was awful, did not hurt them last night but timeouts are so precious. In the second half they should NEVER be used if the play clock is winding down. NEVER take the penalty NO MATTER WHAT!
Bitternotsour
December 16, 2024 at 08:54 am
didn't look like a stupid challenge to me, I'm still not convinced that the forward throwing motion wasn't a backward pass. i would challenge that all day long.
Coldworld
December 16, 2024 at 11:50 am
It was close, but the arm was attempting to move forward. The more I watched it after, the more it looks like the right call. A split second maybe, but right.
Bitternotsour
December 16, 2024 at 12:19 pm
an arm moving forward to complete a backward pass is a fumble. I don't think he threw the ball forward - regardless of whether he got it off of his hand before the hit it was a backward pass and a fumble.
T7Steve
December 16, 2024 at 01:11 pm
When a ball is knocked out of a hand, it's a fumble. That ball didn't just fall out of his hand. It happened when Kenny hit his arm.
coolhand
December 16, 2024 at 09:52 am
We took a timeout coming off a Seattle timeout. How can we not get the ball snapped in that situation?
WestCoastPackerBacker
December 16, 2024 at 02:41 pm
Maybe with the youngest team in the league?
packerbackerjim
December 16, 2024 at 07:49 am
Game: Doubs looked like Sterling Sharpe 2.0 powering into the end zone on his first TD. His second TD was breathtaking. Despite all that, Doubs does not look happy. Maybe that’s just how he always looks, but it is concerning to me.
Lame: MLF looked like he went to the Mike McCarthy School of Clock Mismanagement.
LLCHESTY
December 16, 2024 at 08:11 am
"Despite all that, Doubs does not look happy."
?? He has a big smile on his face after that 2nd TD.
packerbackerjim
December 16, 2024 at 08:37 am
I must have missed that. I hope he is happy and wants to retire a Packer in 12 years.
murf7777
December 16, 2024 at 08:47 am
Regarding Doubs, I think it’s his demeanor. He might also have some depression issues. If so, hope he can get thru whatever is causing it.
dobber
December 16, 2024 at 09:12 am
In a sports world where fans get after players for laughing on the sideline and not looking all intense, I'm not going to assume a person's state of mind or mental health based on whether they look "happy" on the sideline.
packerbackerjim
December 16, 2024 at 09:26 am
Wouldn’t presume to diagnose anyone, just an observation he didn’t appear celebratory in the least. Maybe it’s just the way he approaches his job.
coolhand
December 16, 2024 at 09:55 am
I rarely see Doubs celebrate a TD or a big play. He is the most chill NFL WR I think I have ever seen.
Coldworld
December 16, 2024 at 11:54 am
Doubs I looks focused to me. Jacobs at times looks the same way. Personalities differ. Unless something happens, I’m not worried about Doubs and I vote we leave such speculation unvoiced until he gives us reason to. It won’t help to keep such speculation alive.
jannesbjornson
December 16, 2024 at 02:32 pm
I'll take serious over delirious, any day. Celebrate after you Win the Game.
Turophile
December 16, 2024 at 02:53 pm
If you want a counterpoint to Doubs, look at Valentine's celebration after the interception - the guy was giddy with joy.
Thegravedigger
December 16, 2024 at 05:36 pm
Yes. Nitpicking mo fos.
Untylu1968
December 16, 2024 at 10:40 am
Yeah, I remember that Barry Sanders dude never looked happy either! I'm not sure what's up with these guys that score or even just made a good catch, but don't dance and act like a jackass. Maybe he has depression issues??
Major Snafu
December 16, 2024 at 12:40 pm
My issue and I too agree with the piss poor management: I do not like HC's who have to call the offense. These guys, aka McCarthy, are poor clock managers, and poor red flag decision makers because play calling is primary in their head.
Get and O coach to call plays and you manage the dam game on both offense and defense and be ready to take time outs and red flags when appropriate.
THESZOTMAN1
December 16, 2024 at 07:50 am
No Good, Bad, and Ugly this week (Nagler's slacking I guess) so here are mine:
The Good --- Rushing offensive in first half. OL getting good push. Jacobs racked up over 70 yards & a TD.
The Bad --- Rushing offense in 2nd half. No push. Jacobs stoned most of the time. Outta gas or Seahawk adjustments?
The Ugly --- As Jonathan said above, clock management at end of half. Got 3. Coulda/shoulda had 7. C'mon, Coach!
The Szotman
Bitternotsour
December 16, 2024 at 08:56 am
That was clearly Seattle adjustments in the second half, and LaFleur did not adapt.
dobber
December 16, 2024 at 09:21 am
Bottom line is that JJ is primarily a tackle-box runner in the Packers' offense, and opposing DCs know it. When he's on the field, The run game is mostly TE to TE.
In the second half, the Packers started running some more sweep action and getting Reed the ball on the move behind the LOS forcing Seattle to start defending outside the tackles more. A couple of those were technically passes, but that's more variety in the run game than LaF did against Detroit last week when he kept pounding JJ into loaded boxes.
Bitternotsour
December 16, 2024 at 09:46 am
it should not take multiple series to see that you're running into an 8 man box with run blitzers. part of scouting is knowing your opponent is adept at second half adjustments.
the wide plays were the correct response, it took too long.
dobber
December 16, 2024 at 10:09 am
I do not disagree, friend!
Coldworld
December 16, 2024 at 12:01 pm
Part of the problem was the use of Brooks. Wilson is the back that we could bounce outside, but the slower Brooks is in primarily to help block. I can’t really argue with the need for that in the second half, but it does limit our run options severely. Jacobs may also have been getting a little wound down. Wilson did get two obvious runs for 4 yards each late. I’d prefer to see less Brooks and a little more Wilson in dual sets and some designed off tackle RB work. It’s not like his blocking has been terrible. We could cope I think and expand our ground options when teams sell out between the tackles.
dobber
December 17, 2024 at 08:58 am
The pitch play is noticeably rare in the Packers' offense...it helps a back like Brooks or Jacobs to get outside the TE and into space.
Guam
December 16, 2024 at 07:52 am
Game ball to the entire D-line! They stuffed the Seattle rushing attack and put their QB under pressure all night. They held Seattle to 80 yards rushing and 128 net yards passing (173 yards minus 45 lost due to sacks). Holding an NFL team to 208 yards of total offense is hard to do, particularly on the road against a team that coming off a four game win streak. Really good defense keyed by strong D-line play.
Clock management at the end of the first half is my only real lame call and it was a head scratcher. Both LaFleur and Love acted like they had all day rather than under two minutes. Don't the Packers plan for and practice a two minute drill???? That sequence was just inexplicable to me.
LLCHESTY
December 16, 2024 at 08:12 am
Seattle averaged 5 yards a carry, that's hardly "stuffing them." What Seattle's D did in the 2nd half, that's stuffing the run.
dobber
December 16, 2024 at 08:46 am
Take away that easy 24 yard TD by Charbonnet where the Packers' Enegbare got completely washed out on the edge and you're talking a little over 3 ypc. That said, that 24 yard run still happened...
Seattle had 16 total runs last night, and only about 10 in meaningful play were called runs. Game flow and Seattle's ineffectiveness in the run game forced them to go away from it.
jannesbjornson
December 16, 2024 at 02:37 pm
The film review showed Stokes trying to snap his chin strap as the runner was moving to him, no contain.
Guam
December 16, 2024 at 10:02 am
Dobber beat me to the response, but outside of the late 24 yard run, the Seattle run game did very little. And that was against a six to seven man box. Seattle stuffed the Packer rushing attack with eight man boxes. Context matters.
Naglersucks
December 16, 2024 at 07:59 am
This team isn't anywhere near consistent enough to rest players and take games off. The only chance they have at making any type of post season run is to get red hot right now. We've seen time and time again how sloppy they are and how slow they start early in the season and after bye weeks.
Packer_Fan
December 16, 2024 at 08:00 am
This teams seems the best when it starts the game fast. This article comments about clock management is right on. Also, play calling in the second half is at issue. That is on Lafluer. Love may have something to do with it because he likes to push the ball down the field.
We have Jacobs and Kraft that are great after the catch to help dink and dunk down the field. Hope Lafluer is listening
Thegravedigger
December 16, 2024 at 05:44 pm
I would like to see more quick passes to reed and wicks, wr screens even. Anytime the corners are 8 yards off the ball just hit em and let them go. Kraft too, slants and hooks. Maybe lafluer is saving it for the playoffs. So yeah, exactly what you said get em the ball quick In space.
crayzpackfan
December 16, 2024 at 08:15 am
Great game by the players. Only things that concerned me is just what heck they were even thinking on that drive before halftime. 6 years as a head coach and MLF has learned nothing about clock management. The other thing is when in the second half Seattle started loading up and stuffing the runs up the middle, though they finally adjusted with running Reed outside, I would have liked to have seen them use screens and Kraft more. Last thing is, I absolutely hate seeing 3rd and goal from the 2 yard line and they go shotgun and run right up the middle. It never works. Get big and go right over the top or do a Love Shove, a Play Action roll out to a leaking Kraft, anything other than a slow ass shotgun hand off up the middle where Meyers is at.
Other than those 3 things, it was a great effort and showing by the entire team and a joy to watch.
Since'61
December 16, 2024 at 08:19 am
Game Balls: Cooper, Engabare, DL, Doubs, Reed and Josh Jacobs.
Lame Calls: First half clock management. Allowed 15-20 seconds tick away for no reason. The Packers consistently take too long to get their plays in resulting is wasted timeouts and poor clock management.
Bring on the Saints. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61
Razer
December 16, 2024 at 08:23 am
The Packers should have won that game last night and I am relieved that they took care of business. Let's face it, the Seattle O-line is sub par and our D-line is average so we should have won that trench. The boys did their job and made life difficult for the Seahawk offense.
Glad that we showed up after the extended break. Still a ways to go if we are to get "hot" for a playoff run. O-line needs to improve if we are to impose our will on teams. Was hoping for a pound the rock finish for this game but the line got pushed back repeatedly.
RCPackerFan
December 16, 2024 at 08:29 am
GAME BALLS
Edgerrin Cooper —
He is proving to be the biggest difference maker on the defense. He changes the way Hafley can call the defense. When he is on the field you can just feel his speed. He feels like he is running while everyone else is walking. He is a field tilting player.
Romeo Doubs —
Doubs definitely deserves a game ball. He had 3 catches for 40 yards and 2 TD's. He could have had 2 TD's more if him and Love were on the same page on the first throw, and on the play before half if Love leads him.
Christian Watson —
Watson had 3 catches for 56 yards. Had Love been a bit more accurate he could have put up better stats. He drew a 39 yard pass interference penalty which if he gets a better ball there is a chance it goes for a td. And the final offensive play he threw it short to Watson again. He is becoming one of Loves go to guys. He isn't just a deep threat.
Carrington Valentine —
I have to move Valentine to the game ball category. He had what to me was the dagger interception. He missed one the play before, but then he made up for it on the next play. That play was huge in this game as the Packers were up 14 points in the middle of the 2nd quarter. Seahawks had the ball for over 6 minutes got to the 12 yards line and were looking to bring this game to within 7 before half time. But Valentine intercepts it, allowing GB to go down and put points on the board. That was about a 10 point swing before half time.
UNSUNG HERO
Jordan Love —
I'm going Love on this one. He didn't put up monster numbers, and had some throws he would like to have back for sure. But he finished 20 of 27 (74%) for 229 yards and 2 TD's. He escaped any danger in the pocket, a just did a great job of managing the offense.
LAME CALLS
The Sideline —
"Clock management, time out management and challenge management were mishandled at various moments, which ultimately are Matt LaFleur’s responsibility. "
My biggest take on this is the end of the first half time management. I would have rather seen them call a timeout then waste 20+ seconds. I want to see them being more aggressive rather then play to not lose basically. They were more worried about the Seahawks getting the ball back rather then going down and getting the TD. Go for the TD!
As far as the challenge, I didn't figure it would get overturned, BUT, I feel like it could have been. I am not sure his hand was going forward with the ball. I personally thought it was worth a challenge.
FINAL WHISTLES
GB won this game against a playoff caliber team in their house. I know Geno got hurt in the game, maybe he makes it more of a game, but they were down 20-3 when he got hurt. They held Smith to 149 yards through midway through the 3rd quarter before he got hurt. The Seahawks have throw for the 3rd most yards in the NFL.
Packers scored 30 points in a hard place to play. They definitely could have scored more. This was against a team that had everything to play for. They had a 1 game lead on the Rams for first place in the division. They win that game they maintain that lead. They lose and move to 2nd place in the division and possibly out of the playoffs.
This was a good win against a good team who was coming off a 4 game winning streak.
Lets enjoy some victory Monday!
pantz_bURp
December 16, 2024 at 08:30 am
Game balls to all the players that gave max effort and played smart.
Game balls to all the Packer fans chanting "Go Pack Go" at Lumen Field. Now, that's our 12th man (and woman and child)!
Please, two more game balls to Santa. He needs them if he ever attempts to still have his own children at some point. You see, he currently has POP CORN balls.
Santaz lil helper,
P-Burp
rajahking
December 16, 2024 at 08:31 am
"It seems to be the new Packers’ formula: Punch ‘em in the mouth early, build a solid lead and then let the opposition slowly creep back in so that by late in the third quarter it’s time to sweat."
Interesting opening - this is how the best Packers teams from the Rodgers era on have done well in the regular season - build leads, bleed clock, wait for their opponents' mistakes, usually win. And generally, this is the way good teams are successful.
Also, there was no sweating last night, unless you started when the Packers were up by ten points and had the ball...?
dobber
December 16, 2024 at 08:53 am
Agreed. The Packers went up 14-0 and Seattle never seriously threatened.
Coldworld
December 16, 2024 at 12:05 pm
There was no sweating because Smith got hurt. That ended any offensive threat from Seattle. The run game was not really an option due to deficit and time, which they showed they obviously knew by staying pass happy despite its futility with their back up.
dobber
December 17, 2024 at 09:01 am
It was 20-3 when Smith got hurt. Seattle was doing nothing.
albert999
December 16, 2024 at 08:33 am
If we wanna go all the way lafleur has to stop being so conservative with the runs constantly up the middle has to get the middle of the field covered in pass defense and has to manage the clock better….PLEASE
zoellner25
December 16, 2024 at 08:36 am
I cannot believe the 2-min drive at end of the first half was actually conducted by a professional football coach and professional players. that was an abomination of garbage of a pile of stinking feces.
dobber
December 16, 2024 at 08:55 am
Someone on the watch party last night said the Packers "Eberflussed" that last drive.
Houndog
December 16, 2024 at 09:16 am
I agree, that's the perfect description! Anyone that saw that Bear's fiasco couldn't have fucked it up any worse than LaFleur did, except maybe Ebberfluss himself!
Llew
December 17, 2024 at 08:17 am
Ya. MLF, we love you, but ya....that was just dumb. Both the sideline and Love were clueless in that sequence.
Aldo
December 16, 2024 at 08:54 am
LeFleur's seemed inability to comprehend the importance of clock management leaves me bewildered. Add to that his tendency to run plays that consistently are stopped by the opponents defense (running up the gut) after they have figured out how to stop it. It's a tendecy that he needs to acknowledge and change.
pacman
December 16, 2024 at 08:54 am
Isn't anyone concerned that Love has consistently underthrown Watson? I was glad to see Love admit that in the post game presser but it wasn't just this game. It seems to often work to get a PI but against a top CB, that's an INT. Other than that, Love did have a good game supported by some great catches.
Very disappointed that when they stopped JJ, they couldn't get anything going consistently. If they had done that, I would have said we are ready for the playoffs. We have all these great receivers, TE and JJ and we don't seem to be able to put together that pick apart offense like teams have done to us. That's on MLF, yet again.
Nothing counts after Geno went down. While he was in, all those fears started to come back. We need to be able to man-up on D to get to the next level and we would be able to take on any team. I'm thinking they are going to rest Jaire until the playoffs. Will that be enough?
Basically coasting downhill until the playoffs now. Time to try some new things. MLF has not been much for trick plays though.
GPG!
joejetson
December 16, 2024 at 09:14 am
Game balls-
Having Doubts back adds a middle of the field dimension to the passing offense.
Having Cooper back improves middle of the field passing defense.
Lame calls-
"The Matt Eberflus School of Clock Management" at the end of the first half. To his credit, LeFleur took responsibility for it in the post game press conference. Hope he learned his lesson.
mnbadger
December 16, 2024 at 09:20 am
this team is very good, but not great.
We can beat or lose to anybody.
To beat the best, we need an adult to fix clock management, timeout management and challenges asap!
These issues need corrective action immediately before it dooms this season.
Not, in MLF'S words, at the end of the season.
Chsheads have witnessed it and begged for improvement, eerily similar to past teams' ST's issues.
Fixing it next year is too late.
Let's improve now and win it all THIS YEAR!
GPG!
GregC
December 16, 2024 at 06:21 pm
"We can beat or lose to anybody."
This does not appear to be true, considering that the Packers have beaten all 10 teams that are not as good as them and lost to all three teams that are better than them.
mnbadger
December 18, 2024 at 08:00 am
I think you missed my point.
I said we CAN beat anybody with scheme talent and good decision making.
I didn't say we HAVE beaten everybody.
GPG
mnbadger
December 16, 2024 at 09:22 am
also, great review Jonathan!
GPG!
Houndog
December 16, 2024 at 09:23 am
"Punch ‘em in the mouth early, build a solid lead and then let the opposition slowly creep back in so that by late in the third quarter it’s time to sweat".
BINGO!
Unfortunately, it seems to be one of LaFleur's hold-over's from the McPuffy era, the second half offense is too often too conservative! Why not go for the throat? (See Lions/Bills for clarification)!
NFLfan
December 16, 2024 at 09:41 am
Thrilling game--particularly the creative use of mutiple players on the Pass Rush. I wonder if Saleh was on one of the head-sets? Hafley had to get creative as they don't have the horses on the D-Line.
Cooper is the difference-maker. MacKinney was a tackling machine. Enagbare was huge with 3 big stops, one after the other. Clark got into the action. Valentine had that great interception!.
Lame Balls: Stokes looks lost and was ineffectually 'covering' JSN way too often. There has to be someone else who can sub for him (at all times)
Game Balls: Romeo and Cooper. Romeo dragged 2 players with him across the goal line and made an acrobatic TD catch, Cooper plays with the grace of a true talent-he's a star.
Romeo was thrilled as he waved to the camera after both TDs. I hope he heard what Mina Kimes said about him-high praise.
Coldworld
December 16, 2024 at 12:15 pm
How was Stokes ineffective? For the most part he wasn’t on JSN and we gave up 150 yards of passing in total, most between the hashes. Metcalf and Lockett managed just 50 between them. JSN managed 83, but only 2 passing plays over 20 yards again. By accident or design that’s a pretty decent day’s work by the outside corners.
NFLfan
December 16, 2024 at 01:10 pm
@CW- Please re-watch every time Stokes was assigned to cover JSN-then note the immediate difference when Valentine was subbed in. I have not focused on Stokes too much in the past but took a deeper look last night and was very concerned. He reminds me of Sauce Gardner in his aversion to contact and tackling.
Major Snafu
December 16, 2024 at 12:35 pm
Wrong on one thing. Stokes IS LOST. Period. He has never played and not been lost. He is god awful but is Gutt's pick. Just like Walker he plays and sucks and Cooper sits and is twice the player but is not Gutt one pick. LeFleur knows who signs his paychecks.
Packitin
December 16, 2024 at 09:48 am
Another reason to ding Evan Williams (who has had, IMO, a very good season otherwise):
His hit on Tyler Lockett, that caused Lockett to exit the game, could easily have been flagged and cost the packers 15 yards, or even gotten him ejected.
TOMMY'63
December 16, 2024 at 09:56 am
Wtf,no more gut reactions by nagler? I cant find anywhere on this blog,also not on YouTube. Does anyone know why?
dobber
December 16, 2024 at 10:13 am
Virtually no one here watches the gut reactions video, anyway. It's a placeholder for the discussion.
Packerpasty
December 16, 2024 at 11:29 am
true...those long podcast suck..
Coldworld
December 16, 2024 at 12:20 pm
I’m no longer here on game day. Nagler is now “too busy” to write per Al. He’s got bigger and better things to do apparently. I have opted to go where people still do have time and make the effort. I come back for TGR’s snaps.
Bitternotsour
December 16, 2024 at 12:31 pm
did you find a better landing spot?
Tundraboy
December 16, 2024 at 06:06 pm
I think it has to do something with chatting with Packers fans worldwide. That's Herculean.
Starrbrite
December 16, 2024 at 04:43 pm
You’re Right Dobby.
barutanseijin
December 16, 2024 at 04:09 pm
Who cares? If it’s not in writing, it may as well not be anywhere.
TOMMY'63
December 17, 2024 at 10:35 am
So true, I really enjoyed it after every game, especially the reactions from our supporters
PackOwnerMT
December 16, 2024 at 10:23 am
The clock management at the end of the first half was beyond frustrating, that is something I expect from the Bears, not us. That said, we never apologize for a win and it felt good to win in Seattle and not have a collapse. Get the win on Monday night at home and put this to bed. We are going to have a tough road in the playoffs but I think this team is more than capable of beating anyone in the league.
Major Snafu
December 16, 2024 at 12:33 pm
I too was shocked when I looked and say 10 seconds left. Was thinking what the hell is that then I remember, LeFleur called like three running plays and ran his own clock down and didnt even try to pass to get a TD?
dobber
December 16, 2024 at 10:33 am
A few takeaways...
...first half intensity against an 8-5 team that had won 4 in a row (three of those on the road) on their field was fun to watch. Packers punched the Seahags in the mouth early and put them in a hole. There are two teams out there trying to execute, folks.
...Jacobs ran like a man possessed in the first half. He was just shrugging off tacklers on some of those plays.
...Edgerrin Cooper already looks like a better player than Quay Walker.
...Isaiah McDuffie has played well the last few weeks. He's mostly a run-down guy and he'll never be a force in coverage, but he plays hard and doesn't miss many tackles.
...Packers' defensive front played a really good game, and Hafley wasn't afraid to bring a corner off the edge or an extra rusher up the gut to change things up. Some will say that they should've eaten against Seattle's front...I'm not going to diss them for actually doing it.
...Seattle got a couple chunk plays through the air, but the defense played a mostly clean game (Nixon's phantom holding, then actual holding calls, aside) and rallied to tackle. For a team that has been one of the leading throwing teams in the league all year, Seattle was mostly quiet.
...another repeat, but it's about time LaF for at least paying some lip service to running wide to try to loosen up Seattle when they were crashing the inside gaps hard against the run in the second half. There have to be opportunities there, and I know he wants to shorten the game with a lead, but put someone away.
...red zone offense was only so-so last night. They got those first two scores, but struggled in the red zone from there on. This game could've been over in the third quarter. That said, the decisions to kick points made sense. They just need to be better prior to that.
...I still go back and forth on that 4th down late that gave Seattle the ball back on about the 40 yard line. Too far to try a FG (gives Seattle the ball close to midfield on a miss), a punt probably gets a TB and the ball on the 20. With Smith on the sidelines and the defense eating on that OL, I still think I try to pin them deep and play defense. A first down probably salts the game away, yes, but I think I'm more iffy on the play call (they went extremely conservative) than anything else in that situation.
1-0 this week, double digit wins means that my preseason prediction (9-8) is now happily in the crapper.
They can lock up a postseason bid with a win over an undermanned and undergood NO team at Lambeau next week.
Hard to imagine that a 12-win Packers team might end up the 6-seed.
Major Snafu
December 16, 2024 at 12:31 pm
Game balls to running game - O line and pass rush. Best I've seen them this year.
Lame calls to Lefluer for running his own clock out at the half instead of trying to get a TD. Its great to run the clock at the end of a game but not at the end of a half when you have the ball. I still dont care all that much for the guy.
JohnnyLogan
December 16, 2024 at 02:01 pm
Making it to the playoffs is not the goal; we've been doing that for years. The question is, can this Packers team beat Tampa Bay, Philadelphia, and Detroit, all games on the road, to make it to the SB? That's what it currently looks like they'll have to do. We can run the table; we'll have to, but many things must go right. The most important;
1) MLF has to be better. He hasn't performed well in playoffs and has tended to make glaring mistakes in offensive playcalling and clock management. He's had a miraculous overall record, but he still sometimes gives off the vibe of a teenager just learning to drive.
2) The passing game has to be better. Teams will load up against Jacobs. Can MLF and Love make better use of their receivers? We rarely have a receiver with more than four or five targets. Teams with successful passing games expose a weakness in the secondary and don't let up, taking those easy receptions over and over. Our attack is often described as multi-faceted in that we have so many good receivers. I think it's more scattershot. Not only does the other team not know where the ball is going, but neither do we.
3) Our secondary has to be better. Jaire would greatly help when we go against Jalen Hurt, Goff, and Baker (or possibly Minnesota), each with at least two great receivers: Jefferson and Addison, A.J. Brown and Davonta Smith, Amon-Ra St. Brown, and Jameson Williams... the thought of Stokes, or any of our CBs covering these elite receivers is frightening.
MLF should know that we won't be favored in any of those games, but we have a puncher's chance as long as he throws punches and doesn't sit on his hands as he's wont to do.
JohnnyLogan
December 16, 2024 at 02:09 pm
Small note: They show their PFF rankings when they introduce starting lineup players. Zack Tom, #3 of 39. Josh Meyers, #41 of 41. Ugh.
Bitternotsour
December 16, 2024 at 02:56 pm
and yet the offense is #6 or #7 in NFL, and Jordan Love is the least sacked quarterback. Maybe there's some issues with the PFF rankings, or perhaps they just aren't very useful for how a team and or the line performs. Also, they show those stupid rankings on Sunday evenings because the announcer Chris Collinsworth owns the damn company and employs his otherwise unemployable son there.
Bitternotsour
December 16, 2024 at 05:53 pm
So Myers is the #41 center on a top four line in football. got it.
JohnnyLogan
December 17, 2024 at 05:46 pm
I don't think it's any great secret that Myers is the weak link on the O-line. I see him shoved back so often in pass block and knocked on his ass. If you're right, they'll renew his contract. I doubt they will.
Thegravedigger
December 16, 2024 at 05:47 pm
I think the clock MGMT before the half was part lafluer desperately not wanting Seattle to get a quicky before halftime, because every single team this year seems to get 3 before the half and 7 after, two for one special. And the other part was love wasting time trying to dictate what the defense was doing. It was bad but we got 3 at least and Seattle got nothing.
GregC
December 16, 2024 at 06:28 pm
Yeah, it was frustrating but I was not completely outraged by it. They were trying to bleed the clock, but around the 40-second mark they should've switched to hurry-up mode. It was mainly Jordan Love who screwed up by taking too long to get the plays off, a la Caleb Williams. But of course the situation was not nearly as bad. The Packers had a big lead going into halftime rather than desperately needing points to tie the score at the end, as the Bears needed to do against the Lions.
CheeseEdWest2
December 16, 2024 at 06:24 pm
The goal is to win another SB, so even after a win there are things to learn that will make the team better. My question: who evaluates the HC? I mean besides hiring and firing. Does the GM or GM-equivalent sit down with LaFleur at year's end and give him a performance review? Or does he simply evaluate himself? I'm glad to see LaFleur bring in the old Saint's coach for a review, but to what degree is he listening to and acting on those critiques?
The reason I ask is you see the same things over and over, falling flat, costing the team time outs, etc. Here is one I can't figure out. Nobody in the league believes all the motion etc. when GB lines up to go for it in fourth down. What's the point if you NEVER run the play? In the illusion of complexity, you rely on the element of surprise...you gotta go for it and run that play sometimes or the defense just uses it as a chance to catch its breath.
What I think is a more bothersome pattern is the offense going flat in the 2nd half. It's as if LaFleur thinks having the "better idea" is going to win the game, as opposed to catching the other team off guard, mixing things up, and adjusting to what the opposing DC is doing when all of a sudden your inside runs aren't going anywhere. This is where having the HC act as the OC has its limits--the HC should be poking the OC when patterns like that persist game after game--and will limit how far this team can go. Is LaFleur willing to change things that fail, or is he stuck in love with ideas that don't work?
canadapacker
December 16, 2024 at 07:18 pm
Only one team wins the Superbowl. A whole bunch of teams are perennially not in the playoffs and they are constantly changing their administration ie coaches and GM's. I may scream at the TV alot but I am happy to always having a chance even in AR's last season. My friend be grateful for where we are. Especially after Love's injuries.
canadapacker
December 16, 2024 at 07:05 pm
I was so ecstatic after the first half. I started to feel a bit uncomfortable in the second half. I was especially getting upset with some of the play calling on 3rd and 4th down. Getting stoned running it up the middle. Last game as well. Need to plan on getting Love on the off side perhaps with a tight end as protection or as an outlet. Too predictable and not successful. But today that has faded and I am happy as hello.