Packers 23 Colts 19 Game Balls & Lame Calls
Packers second half comeback saves face, among uncertain preseason
By Kalani Jones

The Green Bay Packers will not go winless in the 2025 preseason, and it appears that the rumors of our demise were greatly exaggerated (if you had just been following along to a certain subsection of fans, you might have thought we lost both games by seventy).
There's a certain balance to be struck in the preseason, when deciding how much to care about performances. In the ultimate team game of football, it seems like preseason has a perfect storm of factors thrown around to muddy the waters. Are you resting starters? Are your opponents? Are you playing with scheme, or intention? Is your opponent? There's a lot to try to sort through when examining a team or an individual's performance in the preseason, but because we love each and every one one of you, Cheesehead TV is here to do it.
Despite numerous reports that the Packers' pass rush dominated the Colts offensive line during joint practice on Thursday (to the tune of ten reported sacks, many by Lukas Van Ness, who continues to stack success) that did not translate well into Saturday's game. Now, obviously Green Bay's pass rushers did not play Saturday, and it was not until the Colts' first team was done that the Packers began to get stops against Indianapolis. This is actually in parallel to the second team's performance last week as well, where despite giving up points early to the Jets and Colts, opposing offenses were stunted in the second half (six points for the Colts, thirteen against the Jets). I thought the team tackled well, rallied to the football, and we even saw some attempts to strip the ball away that we were missing last week.
Offensively... well. The second half was a much cleaner product, but going into halftime the offense looked to be repeating the undisciplined habits highlighted in the game against New York. The team saved a lot of face with their comeback win on Saturday night, even with the lower stakes inherently involved.
Game Balls
4th down Aggressiveness
The Packers were a perfect four for four on fourth down conversion attempts on Saturday night, adding onto their one for one mark against the Jets in week one. Those five successful conversions are already more than half of what the team converted for the entire 2024 season altogether (eight of sixteen). Not only is this newfound aggressiveness exactly what I and others have been advocating for in terms of volume, I loved the situational aggressiveness, including the decision during the game winning drive to go on fourth, even in field goal range. While the Packers were around league average in successful fourth down conversions last season, they were well below in actual attempts, and I hope we are seeing a real preview of things to come.
Second Half Perseverance
Speaking of hopeful previews, what a performance by the second and third team players to claw their way back into a game that looked to quickly be going the way of week one. The signs were all there for another lame duck performance, including an absolutely astonishing eleven penalties in the first half, three of which occurred on the packers first scoring drive. In the second half, the team rallied to play smart, mistake free football. One penalty and no turnovers in the second half was the headline, and whatever halftime speech (or halftime rant, more likely) Matt LaFluer gave, it worked.
RB Depth
Despite some turbulence this preseason, if there is a positional group that has earned a blue ribbon, it may just be the running backs.The team was once again elevated by the pair of undrafted free agents in Isreal Abandikanda and Amar Johnson, who each scored touchdowns along the way in Saturday's comeback win, and both should have little problem finding their way onto a spot post roster cutdown day, whether in Green Bay or elsewhere. I thought Abandikanda was great on kickoff returns again, though I do wonder who that duty will fall to if he doesn't make the 53 man team. Marshawn Lloyd was back there with him, in a coming out party for the second year man from USC. The Packers were clearly trying to get Lloyd as many ball touches as they could whether it was on those kickoff returns, to passes, rushes, and a few blocking opportunities (hopefully his hamstring tightness won't prevent another appearance in game 3). Emmanuel Wilson had that big 32 yard reception to set up points at the end of the half as well.
Lame Calls
Penalties
While it's all well and good that the team was able to climb out of the hole that they dug themselves via penalties this week, there's still no excuse for the extent of that hole. Again, eleven penalties in the first half, and twelve across the entire game, is completely inexcusable, especially for a team whose coach emphasized the importance of attention to detail and fundamentals during this season's opening press conference. If his chewing out of rookie Anthony Belton, as the team left the field after the first half, is anything to draw from he's just as upset as we are. To be fair it was a sloppy day all around at Lucas Oil Stadium, with the Colts drawing eleven penalties of their own, meaning both teams were still feeling the preseason rust.
OL Depth
I and others have been on record that the Packers have a major strength in the form of their offensive line depth. Before training camp began it was easy to look at the depth chart and call them eight or nine solid players deep. Weeks later we now find ourselves short one Travis Glover for the year (who was having an excellent training camp), and major questions surrounding Donovan Jennings, Jacob Monk and Kadeem Telfort. Jordan Morgan has had a solid pair of games at LT for this team, but there's still alot to sort out behind the presumed starting five of Walker-Banks-Jenkins-Rhyan-Tom. Frankly, none of the backups behind Belton and Morgan should feel particularly secure, and I'd love for the team to consider some outside options for depth.
Mounting Rookie Injuries
Much has been made of the Packers unusually high injury numbers this preseason (sitting an astonishing 29 players for this game), but I'm beginning to feel a certain creeping concern that Green Bay could once again be seeing a number of medical redshirt seasons this year. After Morgan, Lloyd, Oladapo and Hopper missed significant time last year, the timeline to prevent this fate for rookies Collin Oliver, Savion Williams and John Williams is fast approaching or already done. For rookies to get acclimated to the NFL, preseason reps are so incredibly invaluable, doubly so for raw prospects like Oliver and Williams, and I wonder if that deadline may have unfortunately already passed.
Three and Out
-- Despite the rough first half, I thought the best thing the Packers could have done for the young tackle Anthony Belton was exactly what they did: let him play it out. It's indicative of the way they've been treating him throughout all of preseason, and I think it's clear that the coaching staff learned a lesson after the way Jordan Morgan was perhaps given too much on his plate last offseason. Morgan (who had another excellent game at left tackle) was played last year at LT, RT, LG and RG, and was probably the worse for it. The Packers seem content to let Belton "fail" at tackle before potentially moving him to guard, and I appreciated that the team let him play through a rough game, but kept him in to begin the second half as well. Belton responded with a much better performance, including a key block on a touchdown run.
-- Despite being halfway through the preseason now, doesn't it feel a bit odd that few of these "roster bubble" battles seem very settled? John Fitzpatrick has surely nudged himself in front of Ben Simms for the TE3 spot, but is that it? As just discussed, the offensive line rotation is murkier than ever before, but so is the battle at wide receiver. After a good showing against the Jets, none of Colby Wooden, Warren Brinson or Nazir Stackhouse differentiated themselves on Saturday, and we can throw in the Isiah Simmons/Christian Welch and Melton/King/Hadden corner back spot as being too close to call. Roster cut down day looks to be presenting the front office with a handful of tough decisions, but special teams and injuries may be the final say in the winners and losers.
-- I'd like us all to take a quick trip in the time machine, back exactly one year. The Packers had just gotten their clock cleaned by the Broncos in Denver (a game which I was unfortunately present for), and they were facing massive uncertainty at two crucial positions: kicker and backup quarterback. Can we take a moment to appreciate how improved those situations are? It's well documented how the Packers likely don't make the playoffs without Malik Willis last season, but Sean Clifford looks so much more poised this preseason than last, plus the team's exciting mystery box in Candian QB Taylor Elgersma. And then there's the man himself, Brandon McManus. Who knows how different the win/loss column would look without his addition, last year, but the first game that comes to mind was McManus's first with the team: that home game against the Texans, won by a last second field goal. GM Brian Gutekunst and his pro scouting personnel earned themselves a couple of A+ grades with that pair of transactions last year.
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Comments (37)
HarryHodag
August 17, 2025 at 09:06 am
Unlike many preseason games, this one was interesting to watch.
1) Many of the writers are crowning Sean Clifford as the third quarterback. I don't know about that. We've seen Clifford come up small before. I like Elgersma's arm. It's really difficult to find an arm like that. He's still green but long term, who has more upside?
2)It's time to end the Marshawn Lloyd experiment. Sorry, lots of potential but too fragile.
3)Belton: didn't they teach him to line up right at Texas? Is he the type of player who needs a public butt chewing to do his job?
4) I can see why Simmons was a high draft pick and why he can't stick with teams.
5) Morgan's role is interesting. Does he get beat out at left tackle? Is he a better guard than Rhyan? One guy with many questions. He clearly will stick with the team but where?
6) Some of the wide receivers yesterday looked good. If I were the coaching staff I would look at Doubs and maybe Reed and wonder whether injury concerns overshadow their status and whether some of the new arrivals might be better long term.
Packitin
August 17, 2025 at 09:33 am
Belton went to North Carolina, not Texas. I think (hope?) he'll be a solid O-lineman in time,maybe even better than solid, but based on last night's performance, I'm not sure Texas would want to claim him.
JQ
August 17, 2025 at 09:50 am
"Belton went to North Carolina, not Texas."
North Carolina STATE, not North Carolina.
Packitin
August 17, 2025 at 10:14 am
I stand (or sit, actually) corrected!
CJBauckham
August 17, 2025 at 12:41 pm
JQ I don't if you are a fellow North Carolinian, but that was a VERY important distinction lol
JQ
August 17, 2025 at 02:37 pm
I'm a Wisconsin transplant (Eau Claire) living in Western Oregon for the past 40 years or so.
But I totally get your point because U of Oregon/Oregon State is quite the thing here. ( - : #
Bitternotsour
August 17, 2025 at 05:33 pm
our very own civil war
HarryHodag
August 17, 2025 at 10:01 am
I stand corrected. Thank you.
WD
August 17, 2025 at 10:09 am
Some good points but "end the Marshan Lloyd experiment?"
C'mon man.
egbertsouse
August 17, 2025 at 10:29 am
Lloyd is nothing but an injury waiting to happen.
Packers0808
August 17, 2025 at 11:58 am
Another J Alexander maybe talented but talent not suited or playing is useless!
barutanseijin
August 18, 2025 at 09:49 am
He hasn’t even looked that talented in the few snaps he’s played. He’s replaceable. Other than saving face for those who drafted him, there’s no point in keeping him around.
HarryHodag
August 17, 2025 at 11:18 am
To date, what has he contributed? He took a fairly routine hit Saturday and came up(yet again) with an injury.
Do you cut Abanikanda, Brooks, Amar Johnson, or E. Wilson to keep a guy who clearly is too fragile?
I make the same argument about Christian Watson. Immensely talented but you can't win a championship from the training room. In Watson's case he will need a new, and very expensive, contract coming up. Do you cut one of the promising wide outs to keep a guy you can reasonably be certain will get hurt again?
LeotisHarris
August 17, 2025 at 10:47 am
Belton started his college career in 2019 at Georgia Military Academy (JUCO) and played in 11 games as a freshman. In 2020 GMA did not have a football season, and Belton transferred to NC State in 2021 with three years of eligibility remaining. So, Anthony had six years of the college experience,
He's a huge man. I hope the Packers can help him figure it out.
Ihappydirt
August 18, 2025 at 09:58 pm
1} Clifford is behind and surprised writers feel he's doing well.
2) Wow, way too early to give up on Lloyd! Like 2 years (3?) too early
3) Belton is going to be a stud run blocker GB has been missing. Line up right? Been some funny officiating this year thus far. Hope it's better when the games count. Borderline on at least two of the calls in the last two weeks. Established OT get way more leniency.
5) Morgan is turning the narrative fast in a way I didn't expect.
6) Giving up on stud receivers too early, too. Reed is going to be a star. Doubs is reliable but we may let him walk in '26 due to an abundance of riches. But may keep him if Watson doesn't bounce back, which I believe he will. It might be a tough call.
Grand Mooster J
August 17, 2025 at 09:11 am
Programme note: it was an afternoon game. Ciao, GMJ
Guam
August 17, 2025 at 09:53 am
The author indicated Belton had a much better second half and I guess you could count NOT making five more penalties a better half, but I didn't see a great improvement in his level of actual play. He had one good block on the TD run and one very bad block on the goal line when he allowed a DE to push him back and then slip inside to make a TD preventing tackle. I know Belton is a project but he has a long way to go and he sure didn't look like an NFL tackle. Powerful man but he has trouble with speed. He has guard written all over him.
And Belton is our best OL after the top six. That is a little scary.
The author also seems concerned with rookie injuries to Oliver, S. Williams and J. Williams. Only Savion was going to have much opportunity to contribute this season and he was going to be competing with a bunch of other talented WRs for playing time anyway. Oliver and J. Williams are developmental prospects that likely would benefit from a redshirt year. Don't really see the issue.
JQ
August 17, 2025 at 02:51 pm
Savion may also be heading for a red-shirt first season, but I hope I'm wrong. He's had a slew of injuries already. In fact there's been ALOT of injuries several Packer WRs so far.
It's cool having ace in the hole Bo Melton to step in. I didn't see any of the game but his CB play showed up on the box score stats-3 solo tackles and 1 pass defensed.
Thegreatreynoldo
August 18, 2025 at 04:18 am
I wrote in the game thread that GB should take Belton out of the game after he gave up the tackle for loss on the goal line (which you referenced). I thought he had some other dubious plays but for the most part his performance while blocking was pretty decent. Sometimes young players need to clear their heads. That said, I would have to know Belton and his personality to reach a conclusion as to whether GB should have left him to play through it.
They will teach Savion W. some gadget plays and then try to integrate him into the regular offense as well as time and talent allows. It would be helpful for Savion to get healthy and Love to be healthy at the same time. It may be that he is mostly a gadget/decoy guy this year with a limited tree.
It is not great that the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th round picks have all missed a ton of time.
jont
August 17, 2025 at 10:02 am
You're right about Belton looking better in that 3rd qtr series. I just re-watched the 1st qtr, and he was ok then too.
Let's hope his 2nd qtr was just a one time nightmare.
I expect he'll start at RT next week and either save his job by murdering whoever stands opposite him or get yanked pretty quick.
Coldworld
August 17, 2025 at 10:27 am
I’d say Melton is a lock as both corner depth and ST leader. He had a not perfect but pretty positive game, including some run support. As to the rest of the corners behind him, I saw nothing to say any deserve playing time. I would like a longer look at Herring.
As to the rest, on a brief rewatch, (Dumas-) Johnson at ILB had a poor game against the jets but was a lot better yesterday, particularly in run support. I think he might yet earn a practice squad birth and be worth developing.
Abanikanda made a push for a PS spot. Johnson might be the one who gives them some four for thought in a roster spot. For one thing he was good in protection in college and showed up in protection yesterday. With 4.4 speed and the ability to protect, it’s just possible that they might fear losing him though it’s rare a RB is claimed at cut downs. If he can catch, he’s a 3rd down prospect potentially with his athleticism and protection. Certainly he deserves a PS spot if he wants it.
Wilson again showed why he’s our second best between the tackles runner and deserves to be used more in the passing game. His protection is normally decent but he made a mistake yesterday it seemed. If Jacobs can’t go, I don’t see any of the others maintaining the O in the same way Wilson does, and that makes our O tick in my view.
Welch deserved a roster spot last year. He deserves one this year, but Hopper looks to me to be our best linebacker behind Walker and Cooper. He deserves snaps. Does he deserve them from McDuffie? Simmons’ presence may also be holding him back.
As to Belton. If he ever masters technique so he can move laterally fast enough and with balance, he’s an incredible prospect. Right now though he’d be best as the 6th OL in designed running packages. He is a fearsome in line blocker and neither Brooks or any back up TE comes close. The spirit of U 71 deserves a revisit in and perhaps use him more instead of Brooks on key running downs. He’s just better as a lead blocker. Fitzpatrick can catch but he’s a disappointing blocker for a B man his size, which is all our 3rd TE really does. Let’s be imaginative and use Belton at times.
I had high hopes for Donovan Jennings. Yesterday continued a trend of him not living up to them (ignoring them trying to convert him to a C). I think we make a waiver claim here and at CB. The only slight glimmer of hope remaining is the trouble we seem to have getting any new OL ready, going back co distantly to at least last season.
Lecitus Smith looked like he might represent a depth C option, at least on the PS. I did see a good late block from JJ Lippe, but little else from the deep depth OL caught my eye positively. On the DL, Alexander had our one sack and showed on STs. He too should make the PS. Otherwise our DL was largely anonymous, which was disappointing.
The more I see, the more I like Hicks. He just seems to get open and make catches. I thought Cornelius Johnson returned to summer form after a quiet camp. I really want Neyor to get more looks. He had made some spectacular catches in practice and he was getting wide open yesterday behind defenders. Unfortunately Clifford was QB and just couldn’t reach him. That’s why I believe Elgersma will beat him out in the end.
Overall, a sloppy first half again, particularly the OL, mentally and technically. I really would like to see Morgan get time at RT. Walker is a good T, but behind Tom we aren’t ready. We need options at RT more than a close competition at LT. At least at this point I’d rather cross train Morgan and benefit from it in the future than see if Walker can.
egbertsouse
August 17, 2025 at 10:36 am
I was disappointed in the Packer’s QB play . Willis has no touch, everything is a 95 mph fastball. Elgersma has a good arm but processes and delivers very slowly. He makes Caleb Williams look like Tom Brady. All right, he’s a rookie but so is Riley Leonard and he was processing much quicker. Even Mr. Bean looked quicker at the end of the game. And Big Cliff? He’s got nothing.
Coldworld
August 17, 2025 at 10:48 am
Elgersma played in a much lower standard of football (no offense to our Canadians intended). That’s why he’s unusual, he didn’t move to a US program. He’s also uniquely dealing with a game that is subtly different in terms of rules, field size, routes and defensive behavior now as a result.
Personally, I was quite surprised he performed as well as he did, after initially looking a bit overwhelmed in his first drive. He lost major plays and yards thanks to Belton particularly, wiping out highlight plays to Hicks and Sims TD. He also seemed to improve the longer he was in, which is a great sign. Certainly made mistakes, and should have been intercepted, but he made throws while Clifford showed that, for all his knowledge, he can’t unlock the O. The woeful misses to a wide open Neyor behind coverage are particularly illustrative.
HawkPacker
August 17, 2025 at 12:01 pm
I think Clifford was a pretty good college qb. He did know how to win and we saw that yesterday when he ran for the touchdown.
However, he is not a very good passer and I hope they retain the services of Elgersma over Clifford. Not sure if he can be stashed on the practice squad as we tried that last year with a talented qb and he got picked up by another team.
Coldworld
August 17, 2025 at 12:34 pm
I’d agree. Ultimately you have to be able to execute the offense physically. Would Clifford not lose a game? Maybe if we had enough cushion. Elgersma might be more risky if you let him be, but might also move the chains.
Ultimately (as Willis’s first game last year showed) a HC can fail the O back to make it conservative with a guy which an arm but less known decision making or experience. Willis of course proved better that after, but LaFleur showed he could do it with limited throws if a QB can throw occasionally for bigger plays. As a result, the risk increase is negligible in my eyes, after yesterday.
Oppy
August 17, 2025 at 10:07 pm
QB's who play CFL do face a lower level of competition comparative to the NFL, of course, but there's other unique points between the CFL and NFL that give CFL QB's coming into the NFL different pros and cons.
One of the biggest differences for CFL QB's is the field dimensions. This is both a pro and a con for CFL QB's making the move to the NFL.
The positive side is they are used to having to really wing it out to the perimeter if they're looking for sideline throws, the CFL fields being substantially wider than the NFL (roughly 18 feet further from center field to sideline on a CFL field.)
On the other side of the same coin, that also means that CFL QB's (and WRs) are used to having a good deal more room to work with in finding open targets/holes in the secondary- even with the 12th player(s) on either side of the ball.
There's a lot of difference on the field that shapes the players in the CFL.
That being said, your #3 QB should be all about upside. Clifford doesn't have the arm. I'd roll with Elgersma hands down.
GregC
August 17, 2025 at 12:02 pm
I doubt there is any significance to the Packers going for it on fourth down. That's standard procedure for a preseason game--especially when you are not even using your starting kicker.
Israel Abankinda was not an undrafted free agent, he was a fifth round draft pick by the Jets in 2023. He runs hard, but he mostly just runs straight ahead. I think Amar Johnson is better than him and should earn a spot on the practice squad. Possibly they will both make the practice squad.
Just to clarify: The Packers sat 29 players for this game, but most of them were NOT due to injuries. The only starters who played were the punter and the long-snapper, unless you count Sean Rhyan, but he was playing as the second-string center rather than the first-string guard.
Qoojo
August 17, 2025 at 12:18 pm
My favorite play of the game was the first 4th and 1. The OL 2nd stringers moved Indy's 1st string backwards. Someone on the right side of OL had a pancake looking block. Nice play.
I didn't think there was much to learn from the game, other than depth. Looked like Lloyd got injured on the catch. Not sure if i saw him in game again. Nice to see backups hold up against Indy's starters for the most part.
I wish i could have seen the last pass by Indy in a better replay. Kind of surprised that they called that one out so quick.
NJ-RICK
August 17, 2025 at 03:22 pm
T Hendrickson and M Parsons are both available via trade, what are you doing about it Gute.....? Packers clearly need help with pass rush. Step up Gute do your job....!!!!!!!!
13TimeChamps
August 17, 2025 at 03:31 pm
Just curious GM-Rick. What would you be willing to give up for Parsons? For Hendrickson?
You're constantly on here blasting Gutekunst. Obviously, you know more than he does. Tell us what he should give up in your expert scenario to nab either of these two.
Enlighten us Rick. Or are you just a troll?
Lphill
August 17, 2025 at 03:35 pm
Lloyd has the Jonathan Franklin USC curse ?
Esquetoi
August 17, 2025 at 03:57 pm
I have it my head that he (Franklin) played at UCLA.
SterlingSharpe
August 17, 2025 at 09:06 pm
Absolutely good comp. Two very talented high picks from Southern California Schools, who just could not stay healthy sadly. It's remarkable how backs like Emmitt Smith, Derrick Henry, Frank Gore, Walter Payton, to name a few long-lasters, could take a pounding 300+ times a year, but our guy can't even make it thru 10 carries in a preseason game.
mrtundra
August 18, 2025 at 08:29 am
Marshawn Lloyd played for the University of South Carolina, not the University of Southern California.
BAMABADGER
August 18, 2025 at 01:32 pm
Lloyd played at both the USC Gamecocks and USC Trojans.
Matt
August 17, 2025 at 05:31 pm
Maybe 4th down conversion rate is great but the number of attempts doesn't matter really. It's preseason.
By the time we wait for Lloyd to play more than one game, we should give Wilson more opportunities in this offense. Maybe less in passing plays.
packertarheel
August 17, 2025 at 07:22 pm
i watched Anthony Belton play his whole career at NC State and I can tell you he is a penalty machine. He killed the Wolfpack drives time after time with the same kind of penalties as he's making now. They have a fine coaching staff and they couldn't get him to stop. So when Green Bay drafted him I was very surprised. It was a terrible pick and that's becoming apparent. LaFleur should be screaming at Gutekunst rather than Belton. The kid is what he is.