Packers 2017 NFL Draft: Day 2 Analysis

The Green Bay Packers find defensive help with their three selections on Day 2 of the 2017 NFL Draft.

With their three selections on the second day of the 2017 NFL draft, the Green Bay Packers bolster their defense by selecting two athletic defensive backs and one interior pass rusher.

Round 2 (33): Kevin King, Cornerback, Washington

MEASURABLES / COMBINE: 

6'3", 200lbs, 4.43 40yd, 39.5″ vertical, 6.56 3-cone, 3.89 20yd shuttle

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After beginning his career as a Husky at safety, King made the move to cornerback his junior season. As a two-year starter at cornerback in Washington’s secondary, King recorded 83 tackles, five interceptions, and 18 pass breakups. He routinely played against top receiver competition in the Pac-12 and held his own. He was an honorable All-Pac-12 mention in 2016.

King lit up the NFL Combine with eye-popping testing numbers, especially for a 6-foot-3, 200-pound defensive back. King ran a blazing 4.43 forty time, and posted the fourth best vertical (39.5”), top three-cone time (6.56), and top short shuttle time (3.89) among all defensive backs in Indianapolis. His elite athletic testing definitely solidified him as an early-round draft prospect.

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What They’re Saying: 

"This young man is today's NFL corner. His tape was really fun to watch. ... I'm not sure his combine speed and his football speed are the real thing. But the single-high teams, the teams that play a lot of high free safety, are gonna love him. His ability to press and his ability to find the football are even better. ... His best football is ahead of him." -- Mike Mayock from NFL Network

“A massive 6'3 press cornerback, King fits perfectly in today's NFL with teams like Green Bay that want to play man-to-man on the outside. He lit up the NFL Scouting Combine with speed that wasn't always apparent on tape . . . In Green Bay, he figures to have a chance to start right away. The Packers were an injury-plagued, ineffective mess at cornerback last season that that could not get stops in the playoffs. King will be tasked with helping to turn that group around.” – Gregg Rosenthal from NFL.com

“With all due respect to Marcus Peters (No. 18 overall in 2015 by Kansas City), Sidney Jones IV and Budda Baker, the most versatile defender in Washington's talent-laden secondary the past few years was King, who reigned regardless of whether he was asked to line up at safety or cornerback . . . Offers rare size at cornerback with a lean, tapered frame, including very long limbs. Surprisingly agile in coverage, showing the loose hips to turn and shadow receivers downfield when in press coverage.” – Rob Rang form CBS Sports

“Length creates challenge for receivers used to winning at the high point. Instinctive with good feel for finding football. Allowed just one touchdown over last 101 targets. Six career interceptions with hands to make the circus pick. Patient from press coverage. Quick to turn and locate once his back is to the quarterback. Saw increase in pass breakups in senior season. Willing to get physical with blocking receivers when it comes time to disengage and make a tackle. Has played all four spots in secondary and slot corner as well.” – Lance Zierlein from NFL.com

Other Options on the Board:

With the first pick on Day 2 of the draft, the Green Bay Packers could have gone in a variety of directions. Dynamic Florida State running back Dalvin Cook was still available. Former Gator cornerback Quincy Wilson was another highly-regarded prospect who could have gone to the Packers with the 33rd pick. Before the Packers traded down out of the first round they could have also selected linebacker Reuben Foster or T.J. Watt. Overall though, the best value was to trade back, garner an extra pick, and select the cornerback that fits best in their system.

Why they went with King:

While King’s game is a bit raw at times on tape, he’s a rare athlete with incredible size, speed, and agility for the position. He also shows good ball skills and has the length to win in jump ball situations. He’s the ideal cornerback for the modern NFL. He has the size and athleticism to stick with the Julio Jones and Dez Bryants of the NFL. He rarely gets beat downfield and he’s an excellent redzone defender.

However, King still needs to improve his technique when defending intermediate routes, specifically in-breaking patterns. His footwork can get a bit sloppy and his press at the line of scrimmage is a bit too aggressive at times, forcing him off-balance and surrendering inside leverage.

Granted, King still has plenty parts of his game to polish going into the NFL, but he’s still one of the better cornerbacks in this draft class. For the Packers to get him at the top of the second round is excellent draft value. Green Bay got their guy and an additional fourth-round pick.

King fits well in the Packers defense. He’s a physical press corner with good instincts and speed downfield. He’s also a willing run defender. He’s not afraid to come up field and lay a hit on a ball carrier. His tackling technique could be more consistent, but his assertiveness in run support is an added bonus to his big frame and coverage ability.

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Round 2 (61): Josh Jones, Defensive Back, NC State

MEASURABLES / COMBINE: 

6'1", 220lbs, 4.41 40yd, 20 bench reps, 37.5″ vertical, 132″ broad jump

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Jones is a versatile defensive back who started three seasons at NC State. Playing primarily at safety, Jones was moved around the defense, playing nickel cornerback or linebacker. He defintiely has the size, speed, and athleticism to excell at all three positions. His testing numbers were through the roof at the NFL Combine. He was in top-ten for defensive backs in forty time, vertical, and broad jump.

As a tough, downhill safety in 2016, he led the Wolfpack in tackles with 109 stops to go along with three interceptions and eight pass breakups. He started as a redshirt freshman in college and declared a year early for the NFL Draft, forgoing his senior season at NC State. The Michigan native is one of the more verastile draft prospects on defense and an intriguing early-round player in the draft.

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What They're Saying: 

"Josh Jones is somebody that can play some corner and can also play safety. He tested extremely well. He's another one that will hit you. He's a real physical football player . . . He's a tremendous athlete and the Packers love cross-training guys, corners and safeties. Here's another one." -- Daniel Jeremiah from NFL.com

"A three-year starter at NC State, Jones started at strong safety his first two seasons for the Wolfpack before moving to free safety in 2016, spending most of his time in the boundary and seeing his productive skyrocket. He also saw snaps at cornerback and linebacker and lined up all over the formation as NC State's version of Jalen Ramsey. While he isn't the physical marvel that made Ramsey a top-five pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, Jones is a big, rangy athlete with the play strength, versatility and developing football intelligence that translate well to the NFL game." -- Dane Brugler from CBS Sports

"Jones is a height-weight-speed prospect to be sure, but he's not just a traits-based safety. Jones has the appetite for hitting that teams will want around the box and he has the speed and ball skills to range and help against vetical threats from a deep safety spot. The big area of concern will be Jones' ability to play with better discipline in coverage and as a tackler. He has the ability to become a good, long-time starter in the league." -- Lance Zierlein from NFL.com

Other Options on the Board:

The Packers passed up taking a pass rusher or running back at the end of the second round to select Jones. Talented edge rushers Derek Rivers, Jordan Willis, and Tim Williams were still on the board when Green Bay was on the clock with the 61st pick. Running backs Alvin Kamara, Kareem Hunt, and D'Onta Foreman were also available. Kamara and Hunt went later in the third round. Instead, the Packers decided to double-down on defensive back and select Jones.

Why they went with Jones:

Jones gives the Packers secondary a versatile player to fill multiple roles on defense. He can offer depth at safety, be featured as a physical nickel cornerback, or play as a nickel linebacker, given his size and excellent agility. His ability against the run also make sense if the Packers are going to use him more in the box as a nickel corner or linebacker. He could come on the field on third downs and match up against tight ends or slot receivers. The Packers may even try him as a boundary cornerback. He has the length and speed they like as an outside corner.

While Jones may be a bit of a project pick, he should find a role in some manner as a rookie, even if it's as a special teams contributor and third-down coverage specialist. With Jones on defense, the Packers could potentially have a starting group of five defensive backs in their nickel package who all measure in over 6-foo-1. With Morgan Burnett and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix at safety and Davon House and Kevin King as boundary corners, Josh Jones would give the Packers a big, athletic nickel corner to defend the middle of the field.

His physical playing style probably also appealed to the Green Bay coaching staff. After a year of inconsistent play in the secondary and a lack of assertiveness in run support, the Packers seemed to have gone out of their way to bring in big physcial defensive backs who don't shy away from contact. Both Jones and King stick their nose in the action and are good downhill tacklers.

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Round 3 (93): Montravius Adams, Defensive Line, Auburn

MEASURABLES / COMBINE: 

6'4", 304lbs, 4.87 40yd, 22 bench reps, 29″ vertical, 108″ broad jump. 7.62 3-cone, 4.89 20yd shuttle

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After playing a part-time role as a freshman, Adams started three seasons at defensive tackle for the Auburn Tigers. He earned third-team All-SEC honors as a junior, but it was his senior season that was arguably his best collegiate year. In 2016 he recorded 44 tackles, 8.5 tackles for loss, 4.5 sacks, and a whopping 15 quarterback hurries. He was among the SEC's top interior pass rushers and a standout player on Auburn's defense.

After mediocre testing at the NFL Combine, the draft buzz on Adams being a first or second-round pick cooled considerably. However, many still projected the Georgia native as one of the top interior defensive lineman in the draft.

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What They're Saying: 

"Adams disappointed the scouting community with a pedestrian junior season that lacked passion and production. This season, he played with greater consistency of effort and found his way into the backfield far more often. Can be disruptive off the snap but is not the type of player to recover quickly if beaten early in the rep. He is a rotaional defensive tackle for gap-attack defenses." -- Lance Zierlein from NFL.com 

"He carries his 296-pound frame very well with the initial quickness and lateral agility to attack gaps and penetrate the backfield. Adams has been dinged for his lack of consistency in the past, but new defensive coordinator Will Muschamp should be able to get the best out of the gifted lineman." -- Dane Brugler from CBS Sports

Other Options on the Board:

This was a bit of a puzzling selection given the Packers just signed veteran Ricky Jean-Francois and drafted Kenny Clark and Dean Lowry last year. I would have prefferred the Packers to take a talented edge rusher here, like Wisconsin outsid linebacker Vince Biegel or Trey Hendrickson out of Florida Atlantic. There were also a handful of talented running backs on the board, like Oklahoma's Samaje Perine and BYU's Jamaal Williams. It's apparent the Packers will address outside linebacker and running back on Day 3 of the draft.

Why they went with Adams:

While it may have made more sense for the Packers to address another position with the 93rd overall pick, Ted Thompson and company probably went their "Best Player Available" approach with this seleciton. It's clear they think highly of Adams, enough to take him ahead of other players who may have addressed more pressing needs.

Adams has a lot of pop coming off the line of scrimmage and he's one of the more explosive interior pass rushers in the draft. While he's not a complete player and could improve in run defense, he does offer some pass rush ability, lining up in a three-technique. Early on the Packers could use him as one of their two-down lineman alongside Mike Daniels to rush the passer in their nickel package.

Measuring in at 6-foot-4 and 304 pounds, the Packers may also like Adams' size and length to play as a five-technique defensive end. He could compete with Dean Lowry and Jean-Francois for playing time at defensive end in their 3-4 front. Adams is certainly an interesting pick. He gives the Packers a little more juice up front. However, this selection may have served better addressing another position on the roster.

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4thand1's picture

April 28, 2017 at 10:32 pm

The Packers got better on defense.

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HankScorpio's picture

April 29, 2017 at 10:04 am

And faster. They needed faster. Badly.

Especially in the secondary, where LaDarius Gunter and Micah Hyde were key players in 2016. Counting on multiple guys as slow as those two to play key roles is a recipe for disaster. And disaster it was. That's not a meant to be a knock on Gunter and Hyde. Both guys gave everything they had. But they simply were not blessed with the gift of speed.

I'd love for them to get someone with speed to compete with Jake Ryan and Blake Martinez. Again, both are solid players that give all they have. They just don't have enough speed to be key members of an elite defense.

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2017 at 10:55 am

I would argue that they got much better on defense for 2018 and beyond. How much better they got in 2017 I think depends more on House, Randall and Rollins than on King and Jones. I worry that the lack of attention to edge means any immediate progress made in the secondary will be nullified by lack of pressure.

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Since'61's picture

April 28, 2017 at 10:38 pm

A good day for the Packers defense. We have 6 picks left. Would still like to see an edge rusher maybe 2, an RB, a speed WR, an G/C OL and an ILB or another DB. Thanks, Since '61

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fthisJack's picture

April 28, 2017 at 10:55 pm

samaje perine first pick tomorrow!

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Handsback's picture

April 28, 2017 at 11:00 pm

Lawson is still on the board and expect him to go to Green Bay first thing. He's rated by most scouts as better than most of the edge guys already taken, so.....unless a huge offer is made, TT will be gunning for Lawson is my bet.

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Nick Suchecki's picture

April 28, 2017 at 11:09 pm

Absolutely better on defense. All three players sure up a decent amount of doubt and depth. I'm much more confident, already, than I was three days ago about the Packets defense.

Let's take an edge and RB (and possibly WR) tomorrow and I think we've become much better overall.

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TXBadger's picture

April 29, 2017 at 10:57 am

Go with an OG - Dorian Johnson.

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pooch's picture

April 28, 2017 at 11:01 pm

So we are replacing are 1&2 busts from 2 years ago and once again cant draft edge rushers.Nice job Ted

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jh9's picture

April 29, 2017 at 08:35 am

It's not that King and Jones are bad players, I'm sure they'll improve the Packers pass coverage. But their selection only underscores TT past draft failures. One can write all kinds of glowing scouting reports on KIng and Jones, but the Packers secondary needs should have been addressed in the 2015 draft and TT shouldn't get to do a "do over" in 2017 without criticism. The Packers have other needs that must be met.

Here we are in 2017 with aging and often injured pass rushers in Matthews and Perry, and a gaping hole at RB with the loss of Eddie Lacy. (Yes, I realize the Packers were second to last in pass defense last year. And god knows we needed to shore up our pass defense.) But this ship has many holes in it and we needed to be creative this with year's draft to plug those holes and IMO we didn't get that from TT.

I didn't feel this way before, but now I believe it is time for TT to retire. We need a younger and more creative approach to acquiring personnel. If that's Eliot Wolf, I'm all for it.

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Bearmeat's picture

April 29, 2017 at 07:38 am

Jh9 has some really good points.

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fthisJack's picture

April 29, 2017 at 08:08 am

i'd wait until we see how randall and rollins play this year before claiming they are busts. remember, they were hurt a good portion of last year.

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Since'61's picture

April 29, 2017 at 08:49 am

Bearmeat - I agree that Jh9 makes some good points. However, this draft isn't over yet. We still have 6 picks to go. TT acquired 2 TEs and a veteran guard for the offense which is the strength of the team to begin with. It makes sense to me, at least, that TT would add speed and physicality to the defense whether it's to replace losses or to cover past mistakes. Our next needs are edge and RB which I expect we'll see filled with our 2 4th round picks. After that we go for depth at WR, OL and ILB in 5th, 6th and 7th rounds. Thanks, Since '61

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chugwater's picture

April 29, 2017 at 08:51 am

He makes a few basic truths, but then goes overboard.

To a certain extent, TT is playing catch up in the secondary because the verdict is still out on Rollins, Randall, and Gunter. Maybe all three do turn out to be busts. Or maybe they develop into solid, competent players. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

There is no GM in the league who hits on every pick, even their early rounders. To cherry pick a few bad selections and then call for Ted's removal strikes me as being short sighted.

It's also true the Packers have holes on their roster. But...come on. Every team has holes on their rosters! MIN and SEA need O linemen. DAL needs secondary and pass rushers. You know who has A LOT of holes? CLE, LA Rams, SF...They are many times worse off than GB. Our roster is not the basket case some make it out to be.

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Otto's picture

April 28, 2017 at 11:48 pm

Is it me or are these guys getting faster? Two 4.4 guys and 300 pounder running 4.8? Wow!

On paper it looks like the defense took a step forward today. It also looks like a couple of guys were put on notice.

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chugwater's picture

April 29, 2017 at 12:02 am

Yeah, I was trying to figure out which member(s) of the secondary will not be in the team in September.

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MarkinMadison's picture

April 29, 2017 at 06:54 am

Looks at Jones bench press v. Adams. A 220 lb. guy cranking out 20 reps of 225lbs. is just stunning to me. Jones has ILB strength and CB speed. He will be all over TEs and RBs coming out of the backfield.

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Colin_C's picture

April 29, 2017 at 12:01 am

Was a bit disappointed at first, but upon further review, I like who we got. Don't think it drastically improves the D right away, but it certainly provides great depth. This 1st pick tomorrow is key though. I'm really hoping it's Biegel, Lawson, or King. All three are great players.

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stockholder's picture

April 29, 2017 at 12:30 am

All 3 are great players. But my money is on perine Rb or jake Butts. Both will not be there after he picks. Biegel would be ok also . But TT said he needed RBs.

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fthisJack's picture

April 29, 2017 at 08:13 am

i think i just gave you my first like ever, dude!

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Dzehren's picture

April 29, 2017 at 12:09 am

TT"s fixing 2015 draft
randall, rollins, Monty, RIP, Ryan, Hundley, Ringo, Backman (TE) most being being replaced/ upgraded,

Need offense in round 4 (2 picks) & 2 pass rushers in round 5 - rd 6 & 7 a crap shoot. I'd like to trade down again to add picks so our UDFA's can elevate our practice squad- not the 53

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Handsback's picture

April 29, 2017 at 12:25 am

It seems after a few days of the draft, the vision of the Packer's front office becomes fairly clear. Lots of teams were able to run on the Packers. Stopping the run required greater assistance from the DBs. That wasn't something the injured squad could do.
So now TT has added fresh blood to that unit and it will be willing and able to assist in that process.
The Dline has two good components: Daniels-RJF and two potentially good men: Clark-Lowry. Guion may not be on the team so if you want to stop the run, you need at least one more stone block. Enter Adams from the 3rd round.
Those guys should provide a very solid run defense and keep the blockers away from the ILBs.
I think you will find the existing CBs (the R twins) and the new blood a very active backfield closing those running lanes and contesting those throws over the middle.

Tomorrow, teams had better bring their best trade bait, because I think TT is taking his edge rusher first thing in Lawson.
The other option is this is just hogwash and needs to be ignored.

By the way, good job on the article Dan!

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NickPerry's picture

April 29, 2017 at 08:59 am

I saw something interesting on drafttek.com. They had Adams ranked as the #1 One Tech and the #4 Three Tech overall in the draft. Not too bad for the #93 pick overall. The Packers could actually get some decent pressure this year from the D-Line with Daniels, Clark, Adams, and Lowry. At the very least teams won't be able to pay so much extra attention to Daniels, not with a few others who can get now pressure inside.

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Turophile's picture

April 29, 2017 at 05:37 am

Big, fast, aggressive. that is the theme so far. Two DBs in the first two picks suggests they are not comfortable in expecting a big jump from Randall and Rollins. Adams is a guy who can sometimes crush the guy in front of him, he will be an interesting study as a 5 tech and part of the two man fronts. Adams, Clark and Daniels could be a pretty good front.

For the first pick in round four, here are some possibilities.

WR Chad Hansen is a solid TT type pick - good size, enough speed, good blocker, crafty, good mental makeup.

Guard Isaac Asiata is a favourite of mine, A big tough brawler with plenty to work with. A solid guy, in a draft with very few linemen to get excited over.

DE/OLB Carl Lawson is sliding into the bargain zone. He has early 2nd round talent but had several injuries in college.

RBs Perine or Mack look like strong candidates for pick #108, they fit a fairly acute need. This is a good spot to get a RB.

Nathan Peterman is my favourite QB in the draft. Not flashy, but could keep a franchise going. His biggest asset is a thing missing in so many QBs, he can read the field, where so very many others, cannot.

Prediction - hard to see past getting a RB, it's the remaining big need that CAN be comfortably filled. I take a RB over a guard because the Packers got Jahri Evans in as a good stopgap. The value is not as good at pass rusher unless you commit to the often-injured but talented Lawson. Biegel does not seem best value here (though he could be when the Packers pick at the bottom of the fourth.

The Packers going with positions of 'some' need, but not biggest need, suggest they are following their board and picking the top guys on it, rather than drafting a shopping list of needs, most acute first and on down.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 29, 2017 at 07:06 am

Why is Bucky Hodges still available? I'd pick him, or I'd take Samaje Perine--though I think some good RBs will still be available at the end of the fourth.
I'm on board with taking a D-lineman instead of a pure pass rusher; the roster really needed a swing NT/DE and M Adams has great potential.

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MarkinMadison's picture

April 29, 2017 at 07:27 am

I don't think Adams can handle NT at all. At least not this year.

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NickPerry's picture

April 29, 2017 at 07:52 am

Hodges WOULD be an interesting pick wouldn't he? He wouldn't be rushed to play and could learn from Bennett for a year or two. Do you pass on a 6'6" TE who can run a 4.57 40, set a combine record for TE with an 11'2" broad jump and had the best vertical in this years class of TE?

Hodges also is ranked 4th all time in the ACC in catches and yards and tied for first in TD's at his position. It wouldn't be a bad pick that's for sure. Just not sure how you can continue to ignore where a pass rush is coming from or at very least OLB depth.

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2017 at 07:56 am

"Just not sure how you can continue to ignore where a pass rush is coming from or at very least OLB depth."

All I can figure is that they're going to pick a couple situational guys here on day 3 and hope that Elliott, who was hurt a big chunk of last year (really, who wasn't?), is ready for prime time. I'm not all that convinced that Fackrell is going to get much bigger or stronger.

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2017 at 07:54 am

Would rather have Kittle before Hodges, but I don't think TT takes a TE in this draft.

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stockholder's picture

April 29, 2017 at 08:16 am

I think he could. The 4th pick might be traded. This is the freebie. And thats if they don't go perine. Then look for Butts Te. Butts is Good and not stiff.

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NickPerry's picture

April 29, 2017 at 08:48 am

I like Kittle too though I don't know if I'd prefer him over Hodges. Butt would be interesting too. The Packers could draft Butt, put him on IR, and have themselves a hell of a TE next season. Had he not been injured he would have been probably the #2 TE in this class behind only Howard and I imagine some would even prefer Butt.

Could you imagine teams trying to cover Hodges and Bennett or Butt and Bennett??

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2017 at 10:53 am

I think if you draft Butt, he goes on the PUP so you can bring him back if he progresses and is ready at midseason. After last season, you never know who you might need...and when!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 30, 2017 at 03:55 am

I don't think Hodges should be evaluated as if he were a TE. He is a huge WR with questionable hands and issues with route running. I am surprised he didn't go late in the 4th or so, though. We'll get a good look at him since MN took him.

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NickPerry's picture

April 29, 2017 at 07:29 am

I love the King pick and Adams was a damn good pick as well, I just wasn't crazy about Josh Jones. But the more I've read about Josh Jones the more I like him though IMO the Packers should have addressed the pass rush in the second round. Other than not addressing pass rush I think this is potentially one of TT best 3 rounds in a long time.

I'm just concerned WHERE the Packers think their pass rush is coming from in 2017. They lost Peppers and Jones, 2 guys who were responsible for 7.5 sacks and the most QB hurries. Hopefully Frackrell lived in the weight room and Elliot turns the corner. Frackrell's development will be huge this season, especially at 25 years old. I think he could deliver, just not sure how much yet.

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Bearmeat's picture

April 29, 2017 at 07:42 am

I agree NP. It's really concerning.

The secondary is going to be loads better. That fell to crap last year, mostly due to injury, but also to ineffective play.

It's no secret that I don't trust CM3. Perry is hurt too much. Fackrell is old for a 2nd year player and hasn't shown anything yet. Elliot is a ST guy who seems like Janis - all the measurables in the world, but can't put it together.

Where is the pass rush going to come from? The greatest secondary in the world is going to get beat if you let the QB sit in the pocket all day.

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fthisJack's picture

April 29, 2017 at 08:24 am

nobody is talking about it but the Packers are in the cat bird seat again today. i think a lot of teams might want to trade up to get their guy after studying their boards last night and today. is a trade down possible for an extra 5th rounder?

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2017 at 09:23 am

If you believe in the draft pick value chart, moving down 10 spots should net the equivalent of a late 5th in return. Moving down to the middle of round 4 (15 spots) gets you a return that could be like a compensatory 4th.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 30, 2017 at 03:57 am

Josh Jones was my draft crush pre-draft. The guy is going to be really good. Still, due to my concerns about positional need, I was thinking about taking Willis at #61. Still, I am more than OK with Josh Jones.

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4thand1's picture

April 29, 2017 at 08:31 am

I'll bet these people labeling Rollins and Randall busts, were saying the same thing about Hayward. They were screaming to get rid of D Adams too and said A Rodgers was washed up. Jordy was done and too old, it goes on and on. I feel sorry for you doom and gloomers, it must suck. This team was a couple of players shy of getting over the hump, and I believe they are standing on top of that hump. The offense will be unstoppable and the defense just got better.

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Bearmeat's picture

April 29, 2017 at 08:51 am

Very few people here have called Randall or Rollins busts. They both showed flashes of excellent play in 2016. They both regressed last year. Let's wait until after this year to see what we've got for sure there. Regardless, the secondary will improve this year.

Now about that pass rush....

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2017 at 09:44 am

I think anyone who has been saying "TT is making up for the mistake of drafting Rollins and Randall" is tipping their hand as calling them busts. I can understand the concern, and whereas Bob McGinn seems to feel like they're mistakes, he's catering to the negative Nancies out there in his writing over the last several years. I like the infusion of athleticism and length in the secondary. King and Jones, I think, will play significant snaps early in the year unless they can't grasp the defense. But I think the majority of snaps will have to go to House, Randall, and Rollins, especially early. The bottom line is that if Randall and Rollins are truly busts, then this defense has a long way to go before it's a unit capable of providing enough support for the offense.

I see a few pass rush specialists that they can harvest here on day three: Lawson (Auburn), Ebukam (WWash), Adams (WMU), Price (Pitt), and Odenigbo (NW), just to name a few. I think there are guys there who could net a dozen snaps per game in obvious pass rush situations...Lawson could play even more (but I think he's more of a 4-3 DE). Theres some potential there, but nobody who I think can eat up the snaps that were lost.

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lou's picture

April 29, 2017 at 09:01 am

I don't believe many were saying Hayward was a bust, but instead that he did not have the speed to be a boundary corner (very good slot corner) at the going free agent price (surprising he got less than Hyde did a year later). Beat writers Silverstein and McGinn were the ones labelling Randall & Roillins potential busts. The first 2 choices by Thompson clearly indicate that Randall & Rollins are "on the clock" in reference to upgrading their play because this is the teams biggest area of concern. It is interesting to note that McGinn tabbed King on Monday as the Packers 1st choice, his Sunday article on losing Lang to the Lions (offensive coaches upset - loss of veteran locker room leadership) may have triggered the signing of Evans which indicate he has a real pulse on the team. In any case based on these choices the secondary is open for full competition as it should be following last seasons results, also note in reference to McGinn's team pulse, his evaluation of Herb Waters a name no one is pointing to at this time, he may be a dark horse in this competitive race;

HERB WATERS: A four-year WR at Miami, Waters did an adequate job as a rookie free agent before being cut Sept. 3. The Packers signed him to the practice squad and immediately moved him to CB. Waters has the size (5-11 ½, 192), speed (4.50), athleticism (38 ½-inch vertical jump) and arm length (32 5/8) to play the position. Regarded as a rugged blocker and good special-teams player in college, he might have the toughness for defense, too. At this point, his future might be as promising if not more so than any of the other CBs. Grade: Incomplete.

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Tundraboy's picture

April 29, 2017 at 09:18 am

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2017 at 09:48 am

I just don't think that TT listens to people like Bob McGinn...or much of anyone who isn't in the Packers organization. He shouldn't. IMO, coaches and GMs with rabbit ears like that already have one foot out the door. I think the consensus on the Evans signing is that he freed up the draft so they didn't HAVE to take a G in the first 4-5 rounds unless they wanted to.

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NickPerry's picture

April 29, 2017 at 09:04 am

Off Topic.....

Is anyone else SICK & TIRED of hearing Drew Pearson's rant about the Cowboys? You'd think they've won a SB in the last 20 some years or at the very least more than one playoff game.
Christ the Cowboys Ex-Players are even more obnoxious than the Cowboy fans.

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Tundraboy's picture

April 29, 2017 at 09:18 am

Yes. Pride comes before a fall. For them,13-3 was a Superbowl. Keep the arrogance coming Boys.

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al bundy's picture

April 29, 2017 at 09:08 am

Sad really. Ted was supposed to bolster the d two years ago with a one and two plus Gunter and everyone was giddy. Injuries are the excuse. In reality these guys are over extended trying to play in the tough NFL and lacking speed and coverage ability. Ted picked poorly.
So now we're trying to make up for his mistake. Let's hope he can find some edge rushers because Mathews ain't it and does Perry take the year off again?

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4thand1's picture

April 29, 2017 at 10:04 am

you suck

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NMPF's picture

April 29, 2017 at 10:16 am

Great idea, lets not draft height and speed and depth to our defense. Grab the tissues.

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Tundraboy's picture

April 29, 2017 at 09:11 am

So far so good. Like the speed, height,and physicality that King and Jones bring. Could not help noticing Lawson more in watching the Adams highlight reel.

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NMPF's picture

April 29, 2017 at 09:18 am

I don't see this as an indictment of Rollins/Randall being failed picks. Hyde and Shields needed to be replaced. This has been accomplished quite admirably. With Guions problems, the Davis pick in the 3rd also makes sense. The sky is falling attitude is comical. 25 or more NFL fan bases wish they had these teeth gnashing/hand wringing problems. Winning in the league is tough, if it wasn't the Queens and Kittens would have a Lombardi in their trophy case.

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egbertsouse's picture

April 29, 2017 at 09:20 am

I don't think that it's unreasonable to put Randall and Rollins in the potential bust category. Randall makes a few splash plays but loses focus too many times. Rollins is slow and has to have perfect technique to be effective. They both have problems staying on the field because of nagging injuries. They look like busts. This year they have to prove they're not.

Also, to say that TT and MM are happy with these guys and are merely replacing Shields and Hyde is disingenuous. If they were happy they wouldn't be going secondary in their first 2 picks.

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2017 at 11:18 am

"They both have problems staying on the field because of nagging injuries."

Let's see...they both played a lot in 2015. I wouldn't call a torn groin that required surgery (in-season) a "nagging injury"...nor falling on your head and incurring a significant injury there. They both played hurt last year. I actually give them points for that.

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2017 at 11:06 am

So do you trade down at the top of round 4 for a 4 and a 5, and then take two of your 5s and turn them into another 4?

Would you be better off in a deep draft with 2-4s and 3-5s or 3-4s and 1-5?

In Edit: I like the idea of 3-4s and 1-5, myself.

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dobber's picture

April 29, 2017 at 11:15 am

Vince Biegel? At the top of round 4?

I love my Badgers, but that's a bit of a reach.

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