Appreciate Andy digging in to the offseason and confronting the MLF elephant in the room.

I know the last 6 weeks and really the entire 2025 season after weeks 1-2 have been rough for Andy as he slowly, very slowly, came to terms with the reality that his steadfast belief in, and ardent defense of, MLF may have been a colossal mistake.

Wonder if, with no day 1 pick in the upcoming draft and little $ to sign free agents this offseason, Andy might have time for a mea culpa episode where he acknowledges that his incessant criticism and sometime disparagement of those who questioned MLF’s coaching prowess was wrong?

anyone defending MLF now is part of the problem was the collapse Saturday really shocking to anyone ?

He just lacks killer instinct. We establish a lead that he thinks is enough to win, then he goes into protect, rather than enhance the lead mode. This encourages opponents, making games closer than they should, or, like Saturday, the game being completely flipped.

I remember a quote from an ex pro (can't remember who) many years ago, who was co-commentator during a blowout game. When asked how many points they needed to ensure the win, he responded, more, no matter how many you've got, you always need more. Sadly, MLF doesn't have that mentality, and it should cost him his job.

When you see more and more people talking about firing someone, their pretty much done. MLF has lost this team. Time to go, it's inevitable.

Although I’ll bet that the players enjoy having a HC that doesn’t hold them accountable, they probably also wouldn’t mind having one that helps the team be successful.

I've never once thought, or wrote to fire MLF.

I'm there now.

Why our coach will be fired… If you look at Ed policies statement, objective number one is winning Matt has not done that in the playoffs when it matters.

First of all, Matt is a really good coach, but usually the Super Bowl is won by great coaches. I believe in this case is the Andy Reed in Philadelphia scenario. Andy just couldn’t get the Eagles over the hump just like Matt can’t get the Eagles over the hump. We may see Matt as a Super Bowl winning coach in Miami one day.

From my perspective, what I see is Matt Leflore is probably one of the very best sit in the room around the table and build a game plan coaches in the NFL maybe one of the best of all time at doing that. After that, he falls off the bus.. we all saw a couple years ago when he played Jordan love in place of the injured Aaron Rodgers. He made zero game adjustments in game adjustments and Jordan love got crucified. That should’ve shown all of us at Matt LaFleur‘s real weakness is coming up with the right game adjustments to win the game.

As we’ve gone on through the years with Matt, he can get ahead based on his initial game plan, but everyone just comes back and ends up beating him. When I say that I’m simply referring to his record against the top coaches, even as late as this year, Rashawn Payton at halftime told the reporter oh, we have them right where we want them even though we’re behind. And then by contrast, look at how the San Francisco 49ers with every bit as many defensive, injuries and other injuries as the Packers handled the game against the Eagles. That’s just a whole Nother level of coaching ability.

So in summary, I believe the Packers have a lot of talent that is under performing and Matt is not the person that can draw players to be their very best at all times he’s a great guy the great mind nothing but kudos to Matt LaFleur but I don’t think he’ll take the Green Bay Packers where they need to go. It’s the Andy Reid scenario.

Don’t go 5-3 at home.
You win all those guys like we should have. Would be in the 2 seed and losing at home wouldn’t have happened.

This started going 5-3 at home and. Playing 500 ball after sept 11

500;ball after September 11

His brother Mike has interviews Maybe hire him.

It appears the last two coaches had Mike has first names one super bowls.

If Hafley leaves would he hire Matt as OC …..?

The problems with this team go beyond MLF. MLF is a good play designer but that is where his expertise seems to end. There is no way you can objectively say he is a good play caller (OC) or game manager (HC) if you actually watch the games. The eye test doesn't lie. How do you explain having your best receivers, for example, sitting on the bench during critical moments in the game. Who comes up with these personnel groupings and is MLF even aware of who is on the field at any given time? By comments he makes after the game, he obviously is not. Isn't that one of the head coaches jobs? His head seems to be so buried in his play book that he has no idea what is actually happening around him.

The other elephant in the room is Gute. You really can't build a championship caliber team when you miss on early round draft picks as often as he does. I won't even go into naming names as any objective fan pretty much knows who they are. Not addressing glaring needs (CB, DL) year after year makes no sense. But lets go draft more WR's. His attempts to address the OL needs have been failures in recent drafts.

I think both Gute and MLF need to be replaced. In fact I'd replace Gute before replacing MLF. The Packers also need to go back to having a real GM who is in charge of finding the HC and drafting football players, not just guys with high RAS scores.

Neither Gute nor MLF were hired properly as most know Murphy took control in a less than ethical fashion. Neither would have been chosen by a contending team.
There is a current widespread campaign to pin 90% of the blame on MLF while protecting Gute. The weak trenches, lack of vet depth, lack of Pro-bowl caliber players, poor early round draft picks and the bare-bones CB room are all Gute. It is short-sighted to think all of GB's troubles will fade away with the ouster of MLF.
Packers need to find the best GM and let him hire the HC and it won't happen.

Gute seems to have the stronger power base and GB media knows it-they know what side their bread is buttered on.

I am disappointed by all of them-Policy included. I don't see one, strong, ethical voice over there.

Early in the season I was naive enough to think Policy was gathering information so as to locate the most promising GM's and was going to make a real change in order to make the Packers great again. It has been more than disappointing to witness a lack of real intent to better the team.

Frankly, what I see is a large group of mediocre men (media included) who wish to keep their share of the pie and the status quo.

I watched the SF / Eagles game and GB simply was not ready to compete with either, it seemed like they might as well be in a different league.

I think the worst of all possible worlds is keeping MLF and losing Hafley. Even RB is less important than this, only because we expect ST to still suck either way.

Looks easy to clear over $60MM in cap space.

The $4MM tenders all look worthwhile to me, unless they can get FAs that are simply better. GB needs depth, paying that much for PS players is foolish obviously as they can be poached.

Our own FAs to keep vs not is the only part of this that is difficult to decide, I appreciate you not trying to tackle these details today with all these other variables still flying around.

Crazy how many people are saying get rid of all our CBs. Fine enter next season with 0 CBs and try winning games like that, lol.

So Ed Policy is keeping MLF. This proves that this organization is not serious about winning a SB. This organization has a loser mentality and is destined for mediocrity for the foreseeable future. Have fun with the same results next year.

I will not be spending another dime on packers merchandise or watching any games and definitely not attending any games until MLF and Gute are gone!!!!!

I can understand the call to retain and renew LaFleur - if hope and magical thinking are the criteria for thought. However – if critical thinking is the default – especially when considering behavioral and statistical analysis – then the answer is very clear. A change of HC is recommended (and perhaps beyond).

Much can be stated and debated about the future of MLF. However I will condense my little treatise to 3 main points:

1. A .333 winning percentage in the play-offs - with a record of 3-6. If the GBP are truly intent on winning SBs – it is not likely with this HC.
2. His intractability for in-game adjustments – particularly in the second half. This has also predisposed him to predictability. Also raises questions about his football I.Q.
3. Coaching longevity can bring diminishing returns. Unless that coach is a Bill Belichick or a Nick Saban or a Vince Lombardi. In Mike McCarthy's 13 seasons as HC – he won the SB just once. And that was in season 6. After 7 years – if it hasn't happened for LaFleur – it's not likely to happen. Especially given the potential for regression with the team.

Soon the Packer fans will learn whether Ed Policy will be keeper of the status quo – or a challenger to it. Of note – Policy was part of the committee who hired LaFleur in 2019. So his objectivity may be in question. If so – then we can expect just more of the same for years to come.

Anyone who is not in support of keeping MLF please call the front office at 1 (920) 569-7500. You can leave a message and email the Board of Directors. Time to stand up and boycott this garbage

Murphy included Policy in the hiring of MLF to make him feel important as he was grooming him to be "President". MM intended to retain the real power ,though, after his more formal Packer retirement and made certain to choose guys who were compliant.

Policy will not challenge the guy who put MLF and Gute and himself in place.
Fans need to understand the true motivations of those in power-they operate with a different set of rules.

Seriouisly IMO, this is thee most screwed up team in the NFL right now bar none. The Titans have a top notch QB now and need a couple of players to shore things up. The Raiders will draft a top QB and have top picks in all rounds and will be much better.
The packers realistically need an entire new secondary with players who have size, speed and coverage ability and not just skinny whimps running around looking foolish. None of them like contact.
The O line needs at least two solid starters to give the team depth. One injury and all hell breaks lose on this team.
Now through in our first pick is 52, your over the cap, you have people with some talent leaving for Mr Mo Money and you are fielding a weak team on offense and defense when your counterparts are patching small holes and getting stronger.
The pack will be amoung the lowlys next season. and someone is going to get a great first round pick that we gave away for Parsons.

Kind of difficult not to notice, not to laugh at the juxtaposition of two article titles on CHTV:

"Why It's Time for a New Head Coach in Green Bay"

"Packers Reportedly Working on Extension for Matt LaFleur"

I'd be willing to settle for a coin toss at the Lambeau Field 50 yard line. At least there would be a 50% chance of the change happening. Maybe us stockholders could attend with our high priced souvenir(s).

I've been watching Andy's podcasts now for a bit and I do appreciate them. I'll say his take is honest, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

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Holy fuck, people.
I just read more posts in this thread.

Some of you are insane with conspiracy theories..

get a grip, it's fucking football.