Pack-A-Day Podcast - Episode 260 - Draft Preview Part 10 - The Safeties
On today's episode, Kris Schimmel and Dan Kotnik are joined by fellow Pack-a-Day member Matt Froehlich. The three take a deep dive into this year's safety draft class.
By AndyHerman
On today's episode, Kris Schimmel and Dan Kotnik are joined by fellow Pack-a-Day member Matt Froehlich. The three take a deep dive into this year's safety draft class. Find out which prospects stick out the most and which players they could realistically see in a Packers uniform.
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Comments (40)
albert999
April 11, 2019 at 09:10 am
Draft a safety, offensive line and a special teams returner
Abram
Taylor
Holyfield
KeepErMovin
April 11, 2019 at 09:28 am
Abram has zero ball skills. Plus he's a hard hitting safety in a league that has eliminated enforcer type safeties. On top of that he has had shoulder injuries already. Hard pass on Abram for GB.
Also, I don't think Holyfield will be ready for camp because he needs to finish running his 40.
NitschkeFan
April 11, 2019 at 10:42 am
"I don't think Holyfield will be ready for camp because he needs to finish running his 40."
Now that was funny!! Keep them coming, we need more levity on this board.
jannesbjornson
April 11, 2019 at 04:23 pm
Abram will be the first Safety off the board.
KeepErMovin
April 11, 2019 at 09:25 am
My safety ranking specifically for GB:
1. Adderley
2. Thornhill
3. Savage
4. CGJ
5. Thompson
6. Hooker
7. Blair
8. Rapp
9. Abram
10. Tell III
GB needs a safety who can play deep. Rapp's 4.74 40 eliminates him from consideration.
Abram has zero ball skills. Plus he's a hard hitting safety in a league that has eliminated enforcer type safeties. On top of that he has had shoulder injuries already. Hard pass on Abram for GB.
albert999
April 11, 2019 at 01:35 pm
Adderley is WAY over hyped
jannesbjornson
April 11, 2019 at 04:26 pm
Addereley's been rated at the third round by many or lower second. Bucky Brooks has his new ratings out and the pro day results are in for the rest of the group. Thompson falling like a rock. Thornhill given consideration as a CB.
stockholder
April 11, 2019 at 09:31 am
Draft: Thornhill, Next: Adderley, Thompson, Rapp, Johnson, Abrams. SB Nation has Sweat @12 and Adderley the preferred pick@30. Can we just drop OL until the 4th?
KeepErMovin
April 11, 2019 at 09:37 am
3rd or 4th round for OL is fine.
Thegreatreynoldo
April 11, 2019 at 10:56 am
You listed 7 safeties I'd be happy with, KeepErMovin. Surely one of them will be there at #44? OTOH, guys who can be projected to replace Bulaga in 2020 are more scarce. Take the OL at 30 (assuming we haven't taken Taylor with the higher first round pick).
Thornhill over Adderly?. I could be talked into Thornhill at #30. It really depends on who is still on the board at 12 and 30. I suppose that is true for all the picks.
stockholder
April 11, 2019 at 11:24 am
The OL really do scare me. Not saying that because I want defense. Their feet, Muscle, or arm length just isn't right. I'd Take the Iowa TEs over any OL. @30. Thorn hill will be a great player. And the fact he can play CB is a bonus. I'm seeing @25now. I believe Thornhill is this years Alexander Climbing. I wish we had more picks between 30 and 44. Watch the patriots Trade up.
KeepErMovin
April 11, 2019 at 11:27 am
I listed 7, but that does not mean they are equal. Adderley and Thornhill are first tier for me and I would take either at 30.
Thegreatreynoldo
April 12, 2019 at 12:43 pm
Fair enough. I'd be fine with Adderly or Thornhill at 30 (has to be a FS). I declined to argue with a draftnik who pointed out that not all the OL are equal either, particularly if you're willing to wait for the 3rd or 4th round, at which point they are really not equal and means we ain't getting an OT.
The draftnik argued that GB should trade up from 30 for Risner. I suggested that Risner might easily be there at #30, and if not, there are a bunch of OL I'd be happy to take with the thirtieth pick (not to mention a bunch of other positions) while saving the 3rd or 4th round pick by not trading up.
Didn't argue because that particular draftnik has proven himself over the years to me. Listening to this podcast, at least one guy has Rapp then CGJ above Adderly and Thornhill. I decline to argue with them as well since I don't watch a lot of film anymore.
stockholder
April 12, 2019 at 01:25 pm
Draft Scout posted some updates. The size, speed, and rankings are interesting. I remember drafts, when there were No arguments on the top 5 OL. Even S. Now they throw them into a big pile. My problem with adderley is his speed. Nobody has an update. They said he was fast. But nobody has clocked him lower then 4.55. Until I see adderlys and Thompsons 4o time. I believe Thornhill must be the pick.
jannesbjornson
April 13, 2019 at 01:35 am
TGR As an Abram supporter I mock Thornhill to the #30 spot. He has the FS qualities and ball skills The Pack needs. Abram is a close call but Amos has that job.
albert999
April 11, 2019 at 01:36 pm
I think Rodgers would disagree
stockholder
April 11, 2019 at 02:15 pm
“Talk low, Talk slow, and Don't say too much.”
― John Wayne. He broke his collar-bone and that ended his football playing. Rodgers only needs to throw the ball. Not put it in writing.
jeepingmakooi
April 11, 2019 at 10:24 am
Depending on how Madison does and how they viewed him last year talent wise they might not take oline until late now. They have a second year player in Nico and basically a rookie tackle in Cole.. along with Alex light.. you guys always dismiss guys who haven't been the starter. Remember we signed Turner as well.
stockholder
April 11, 2019 at 10:39 am
Right! I don't see how Gute can pass on safety now. These guys will make more of an impact then a Rookie OL. I remember tape on Green a RB from Hawaii. It was so good he should have been in rd 1. I believe Thornhill will be the first safety off the board. Not Adderley.
Packman60
April 11, 2019 at 11:34 am
Adderley , Savage or Thornhill At least one if not two of these should be available at #30 or #44. Amos would be better utilized as the strong or box safety., so I would stay away from Abrams and while I like Rapp I think his lack of speed would be exposed in the deep centerfield. Defensive front seven BPA at #12 and OT at whatever spot they don't take a safety with. This would be an awesome start to the draft.
jannesbjornson
April 11, 2019 at 04:31 pm
Abram covered Metcalf deep twice w/out issue in the battle of the confederacy.
Leatherhead
April 12, 2019 at 09:32 pm
I'm glad you mentioned that. Abrams is #1safety on my board. He tackles.
He is #43 on the CBS rankings.
Packman60
April 11, 2019 at 11:53 am
Thompson reminds me too much of Ha-Ha. Instincts are lacking.
No thanks.
3rd round, Hooker from Iowa would be a solid choice. I wouldn't expect any of these (Adderley, Savage or Thornhill) to last until #75.
KeepErMovin
April 11, 2019 at 12:04 pm
I mean, that is just incorrect. Thompson has the best instincts in the class.
www. profootballfocus.com/news/draft-pff-film-room-deionte-thompson
(You will have to remove the space after the www.)
blondy45
April 11, 2019 at 12:57 pm
The Pack must draft their first safety with pick number 30 or 44. I list them as my favoritesbelow:
stockholder
April 11, 2019 at 02:55 pm
But how do you feel about a trade. The packers won't take Sweat. They trade the @12 pick to Oak. for 24 or 27 AND 35. Oakland gets their Edge or CB. Or A Trade #2. with Indy. #26 and #34 gives them a CB. (And yes I'm talking G.Williams./ Murphy for both Oak.and Indy) This gives GB a TE/OL/DT and Safety. They still have @30 and @44.
blondy45
April 11, 2019 at 03:53 pm
That would be awesome Stockholder. The more picks in the top 118 draft picks the better for the Pack. I would still take Ed Oliver or Devin White @ 12 if they are there though. The more picks to move up or down the better. I know the Pack needs OT help, but I hope we fill our Safety, TE, and INSIDE LINEBACKER needs first. Add at least 2 more OT later. We could use a RB and obviously a TE. I love Safety Juan Thornhill or TE Noah Fant @30, and OT Dalton Risner @ 44. Montez Sweat is no chump at 12 either. A guy can dream right? Thanks for reading Gary.
hobowilly
April 14, 2019 at 08:02 pm
hi Blondy....l'd bet on both Oliver & White being gone maybe by 8, definitely by 10.....let's watch! I'd take either though....run to the podium @12. Either way, there's a strong hunch Gutey chooses BPA over need if he stays @12. Like what you gave as an overview! Remember BPA and it was Gutey who moved GB's board into that position based on his FA signings! Lastly, GB did well last year selecting WR's, both MVS & EQ contributed and they have great upside. If Moore doesn't improve, Gutey will get rid of him. Tey is awesome right?! Book still out on Allison, but AR likes him; If he's available @ a reasonable position, a gadget man like Isabella could work..that is if Bellicheat doesn't snag him earlier. I wouldn't go higher than 75 for him though but if "Cheats" likes him, NE has 73rd pick, just say'n...
jannesbjornson
April 11, 2019 at 04:34 pm
Why not trade down #30 to #35 and pick up a low three?
stockholder
April 11, 2019 at 05:19 pm
A low 3 takes you away from 1 more of the safeties, Fant, Simmons, Little,Ford,lindsstrom,Risner. Anybody that was considered top 50. The prize was the 34 /35 pick. For say Sweat. By trading down Lets say Raiders. @27 Fant /Lawrence @30Simmons @35 Thornhill/Adderley @44 Lindstorm / Risner If Anything, I would trade out of the 3rd rd.
Leatherhead
April 12, 2019 at 09:34 pm
I'm on the trade down bandwagon. There are a lot of very good players in the Top 100 or so and I'd like as many as I could get.
Leatherhead
April 13, 2019 at 10:19 pm
I'm on the trade down bandwagon. There are a lot of very good players in the Top 100 or so and I'd like as many as I could get.
blondy45
April 11, 2019 at 01:02 pm
Safety 1. Thornhill 2. Adderley @ pick # 30 3. Abrams 4. Rapp @pick #44. First pick @12 I hope will be 1.Oliver 2. D. White 3. Sweat 4. Burns
KeepErMovin
April 11, 2019 at 01:35 pm
GB needs a safety who can play deep and cover. Adderley and Thornhill are ideal for that role. Rapp's 4.74 40 eliminates him from consideration.
Abram has zero ball skills. Plus he's a hard hitting safety in a league that has eliminated enforcer type safeties. On top of that he has had shoulder injuries already. Hard pass on Abram for GB.
I find the 4 safeties you listed interesting. As skill sets go, Abrams and Rapp could not be more different than Thornhill and Adderley.
blondy45
April 11, 2019 at 03:58 pm
I agree with you KeepErMovin, pass on Abram and Rapp.
albert999
April 11, 2019 at 04:01 pm
Bleacher report just reported this
"A source close to one of the team's skill-position starters says Rodgers was the one 'sinking the ship' with zero interest in developing [Marquez] Valdes-Scantling, [Equanimeous] St. Brown or [J'Mon] Moore," Bleacher Report's Ty Dunne reported
jannesbjornson
April 11, 2019 at 04:37 pm
That is the WR coaches JOB. Gruden worked with Sharpe and Brooks, Farve just tossed them the ball, dig.
stockholder
April 11, 2019 at 05:26 pm
wrong - Adams is looking forward to playing the slot. He praised Rodgers, and not Jennings or Finley. Adams is earning everyones respect. Well Done Mr.Adams. Well Done!
blondy45
April 11, 2019 at 06:32 pm
Rodgers is our meal ticket to a successful season. The past is past, the future is NOW. I'm sure the fact that Rodgers did very little at practice to help develop the young WR's because of his injuries. That is the past, now he is "healthy" and NOW must develop his young WR's games. Rodgers will be under the microscope this year. If Rodgers is indeed full of himself, word will get out. If Rodgers is the leader most think he is, his chip on his shoulders will make everyone especially his WR's improve. The head coach must lay down the rules and demand adherence to them. Do not kiss Rodger's back side. He needs to be a team player more than ever.
RickInCali
April 12, 2019 at 01:51 am
Anything Dunne says with regards to anything GB is completely suspect.
I watched a lot of tape where the rookies weren’t where they were supposed to be, consistently. One of the archives here has a great breakdown showing that. More proof of poor coaching, poor preparation and possibly a disconnected/frustrated and obviously injured QB. Not to mention a suspect o-line (some of which due to injuries), an injured Jimmy Graham, and Cobb not being able to separate.
It can only go up from there......