Pack-A-Day Podcast - Episode 2006 - The Packers' Future is Incredibly Bright

On today's show, join Andy, Alex, and Perri as they discuss the disappointment of the Packers' final game, but also the incredible journey that was the 2023 season. Plus, a look at the unbelievably bright future ahead. Don't miss it!

On today's show, join Andy, Alex, and Perri as they discuss the disappointment of the Packers' final game, but also the incredible journey that was the 2023 season. Plus, a look at the unbelievably bright future ahead. Don't miss it!

 
 

 

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NFLfan's picture

January 22, 2024 at 09:27 am

I agree with Perri. Fans should be appreciating the vast improvement by a team who have a first year QB & 7 rookie (6th-7th round) receivers who scared a 1st seed in their house and completely dominated another well-respected team just 5 days prior. The national media and fans of other teams are heaping respect on the youngest team, a 7th seed and their accomplishments. I've also read many compliments from 49er fans.

I am astonished @ the GB fan's criticisms--not a good look.

GB fans should be focusing on pushing back (hard) on Joe Barry's return.

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Fubared's picture

January 22, 2024 at 01:07 pm

This was Loves third year. He has been here a while and is no rookie

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Coldworld's picture

January 22, 2024 at 09:28 am

Perri hits the nail on the head on the role of Carlson in this loss in terms of context. Let’s not lose ourselves in the visually obvious. There are a lot of things that we did wrong to surrender points.

As to Carlson, he wasn’t actually that bad over the season. He was not good, but he’s a rookie. He either gets better or gone. He was more impressive than Crosby this year. He actually converted at about Crosby’s career average and much better than Crosby did this year.

Good kickers aren’t littering the streets at this time of year, they are under contract. Time to move on, get real competition for the summer and hope he works in his craft in the down months. We know LaFleur and his staff doesn’t move on from players (or coaches) until absolutely forced. They stick with them even when the results are far worse than Carlson.

Focus now on all the other things that led to unconverted points or those surrendered too readily. Those are the things we can work on understanding and correcting through what we can do between now and the summer. Those are the things that will have the biggest impact on our upside for next year. That’s how we get better.

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NFLfan's picture

January 22, 2024 at 09:33 am

I recently listened to another well-respected podcaster who said that Bisaccia was pushing hard for Carlson (went to the mat) and is a friend of the Carlson family. I was troubled by that.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

January 22, 2024 at 11:44 am

Not sure why you got downvoted for this. Bisaccia's connection to the Carlson family is well documented going back to his days as an assistant coach at Auburn when he recruited Anders' brother Daniel. Gute has stated that he felt comfortable making the pick based on Bisaccia's connection and recommendation.

I just hope they don't assume he will turn it around like his brother. I truly hope he does, but if he needs time I'd rather they put him on the practice squad and sign a veteran if one is available. Some of his issues could also be due to the long snapper. I just hope they figure it out before week 1 next season.

Here's a good article about Bisaccia's connection to the Carlson family:
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/05/17/rich-bisaccia-talks-mason-cr...

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NFLfan's picture

January 22, 2024 at 12:32 pm

@IR-thanx for the link.

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Fubared's picture

January 22, 2024 at 01:05 pm

What I'm troubled about is they are twin brothers and one kicks the crap out of the ball and is one of the best kickers in the league and we got the other one who was the worst kicker in college football.

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13TimeChamps's picture

January 22, 2024 at 02:28 pm

A. They're 3 years apart. That was some long labor on their mother's part if they're twins.

B. He was not the "worst kicker in college football".

Don't let facts get in the way of your asinine comments.

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Fubared's picture

January 22, 2024 at 06:26 pm

Sorry thought I read somewhere twin brothers and we got the broken one. Lol all I know is one is a great kicker and I can figure out with my pea brain who that was.

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13TimeChamps's picture

January 22, 2024 at 07:12 pm

"and I can figure out with my pea brain...."

Probably the most astute comment you've ever posted.

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 23, 2024 at 01:29 am

His brother missed 7 FGs his 2nd year in the league and was a 2nd team All Pro the year after. I wonder 2hat you would have said about him after his 2nd year.

Go away Vikings troll.

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Coldworld's picture

January 22, 2024 at 09:46 am

If LaFleur is the Head Coach we need, Barry will not be our DC. This is a critical tell for LaFleur. One way lies talent held back, the other a determination to be as good as we can be as a team, which has to be the only lodestar for a successful Head Coach.

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2024 at 10:44 am

Well MLF is the coach regardless of your opinion.
Barry didn't lose the SF game.
He did pretty good getting us to the play-offs
And MLF will not want to start from scratch.

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Houndog's picture

January 22, 2024 at 11:34 am

stockholder,
Sorry man, but I gotta' agree with Coldworld here.
LaFleurs responsibility is to do what best tor the TEAM, and not for his buddy, Barry.
You may be right, Barry did not lose the SF game, but his system and his inability to have players ready to play within that system has contributed to too many losses over the past 3 years.
"He did pretty good getting us to the play-offs" Oh Really? I'd like to think Jordan Love and the offense played a good sized part in that. It wasn't the offense that gave up 3 garbage touchdowns to the Cowboys.
MLF doesn't need to 'start from scratch". He needs to hire a COMPETENT DC and let him coach.

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stockholder's picture

January 22, 2024 at 12:09 pm

Changing the DCs won't change anything =
until you change the scheme.
4 men on the DL - dah- get Clarke help

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Packerpasty's picture

January 22, 2024 at 06:36 pm

he didnt have a whole lot of quality pieces to play with at time...most of the time..who's fault is that???? Not saying keep him, thats up to MLF not the fans, but there were some real mediocre guys out there "trying" to play defense...

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13TimeChamps's picture

January 22, 2024 at 02:37 pm

I just read somewhere that Ron Rivera is interviewing for Philly's DC position.

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Houndog's picture

January 22, 2024 at 11:00 am

I'm not going to suggest that this loss came down to one play or one player. The Packers had the 9ers on their heels and as Dennis Green once said, "We had them on the ropes, and we let 'em off the hook".
Yeah, a rookie kicker missed a FG, but might have gotten another chance had the 1st year QB not thrown a pick. We may have gotten a 1st down on the 4th and 1/2 if they'd have huddled to make sure everyone was on the same page, but they didn't, Why Not? The clock wasn't a factor at the time, so that's on MLF.
The DBs, as is Barry's trademark, played 10-15 yds deep all night allowing too many 1st downs when needing a stop and the tackling was atrocious, another Joe Barry trademark. I can't recall a single D-back blitz, Rashan Gary was once again invisible, and it appears Campbell just can't run anymore. A Safety that can tackle would be a great idea. If any of this is coach able it again falls back to Barry, and ultimately onto LaFleur.
Within the next (hopefully) few days we'll find out whether or not LaFleur has what it takes to do what's truly best for the team, or whether his buddy is more important than the organization, his players, and his job. Go ahead and make the call, Coach! It's time to shit or get off the pot!
Yes, I am and should be happy with this season as a whole, its what coulda'-been, shoulda'-been that pisses me off.

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NFLfan's picture

January 22, 2024 at 12:44 pm

@HD-I'm with you on whether MLF has the courage to put the team first.
He needs to stop socializing (wives are best friends, they attend same Church) and having a daily lunch date with his subordinate-

Head Coaches need to be able to stand alone and find friends elsewhere.

I just sent my 4th letter to MM, MLF and Gute elucidating why I think
Joe Barry is dragging the team. I wish others would do the same. NOW is the time to make ourselves felt-this is hiring season. Imagine a flood of letters!
We should not just 'hope for the best.'

Green Bay Packers
Attn:Mark Murphy, Brian Gutekunst & Matt LaFleur
P.O. Box 10628. Green Bay, WI ...54304

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Packerpasty's picture

January 22, 2024 at 06:37 pm

and those probably go right in the circular file..

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 22, 2024 at 10:29 pm

Perhaps more to the point, I don't see a Universe in which a team reaches its potential with JB on staff in any capacity.

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Lphill's picture

January 22, 2024 at 11:32 am

funny thing happened during the rebuild season, the Packers got good and with 2 first round corners out hurt, , Gutey traded away the only solid corner Rasul Douglas , why did he do this ? because he thought the season was tanking is why , then the Packers started winning and we had no experienced corners, now this will again be a defense heavy draft with a glaring need at corner, safety and inside linebacker.

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Houndog's picture

January 22, 2024 at 11:51 am

Exactly LP!
Cornerback, Safety, and ILB!
I've been screaming for an ILB since we lost Bishop! A 'Thumper' with speed.
I'm hoping one of the youngsters can become the next Sam Shields.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 22, 2024 at 11:59 am

How dare they win with inexperienced corners. What strange hell is this that they trade away your favorite player, and then continue to win despite adding draft capital and improving the cap. Dogs and Cats, living together, the earth is upside down. Is there a glaring need at corner? Stokes, Jaire, Valentine, Ballentine and Nixon. Seems like a pretty fair group to me.

Do you think the Bills will be keeping Douglas, or did they rent him for a third round pick? Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Bills got exactly as far as the Packers did, and they had Douglas!

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NFLfan's picture

January 22, 2024 at 12:58 pm

@UH-there were rumors that Rasul was indirectly or directly challenging the coaches for the poor play earlier in the season. I took his transfer as a disciplinary move.

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Fubared's picture

January 22, 2024 at 01:04 pm

You got that right and Campbell is trying to do the same. They want out

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Fubared's picture

January 22, 2024 at 01:03 pm

Douglas was sent packing because he had words with Barry and they didnt like it. He was a malcontent they had to get rid of no matter what. Campbell is next in line and if he can get out he will.
The Packers got lucky not good. Had Cousins not been hurt the Vikes more then likely would have taken the NFC north or finished second and we would have been watching.
This team played two decent games. Love played two decent games. Note he has played in 9 pre season and 19 reg season games so he aint some young kid and he had all of two games he looked good in.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 22, 2024 at 01:27 pm

What color is the air in your alternative reality. I'm guessing purple?

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NitschkeFan's picture

January 22, 2024 at 01:42 pm

Fubared, you obviously did not watch the Packers this season. You wrote "Love played two decent games". That is really stupid. Sure he had some bad games, no doubt. But only 2 "decent" games?

We can't review the tape of all the games here on the blog so let's just look at some simple numbers.

QB Rating Love ranked 10th in the NFL. He had 7 games with a rating over 115 (which is considered an excellent rating).

QBR which encompasses more than just throwing stats, Love ranked 9th in the NFL.
PFF which ranks players differently as they have ratings for every play of the season, ranked Love 12th.

So three different methodologies rank his first season as a starter (now age 25) as the 9th - 12th best in the NFL. Also he was trending upward in the 2nd half of the season leading to some optimism that as he gains experience he will continue to improve.

Sorry you are a hater.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 22, 2024 at 01:56 pm

Not a hater, a Viking troll on a Packer site.

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Oppy's picture

January 23, 2024 at 01:25 am

Ima Payne,

Let me clue you in on something that will make life easier for you once you accept it:

The Vikings? They suck. They're not a good organization. They are perennial bed-shitters.

They weren't going to win the North, or be the 2nd best team in the North. They aren't good. They are incompetent at all levels.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 22, 2024 at 10:37 pm

I'm in favor of no draft picks on defense as long as JB's shadow is associated with 1265. All he's going to do is waste the talent. Draft for the O line, 3 are needed. DBs won't keep JL from a season ending injury.

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golfpacker1's picture

January 22, 2024 at 12:10 pm

Well LP, at least we have 5 great picks in the first 3 rounds to fill these glaring holes. Since the former #1 need, OT has been downgraded because of great play from Toms and Walker, we can concentrate on fixing the Safetey room just like we rebuilt WR & TE.

And unless someone fabulous at a position of need falls to us at #25, I would, if we can find a trade partner, move back to late 1st or early second because thats right where the best safeties will start coming off the board. Filling our #1 need and gaining multiple higher picks would be like Xmas day all over. A trade back could net us at least another 2nd or 3rd plus more. That fills another hole earlier than expected with a new starter @ ILB, Edge, RB, or O-line. Filling one of those holes lets us move on or trade Campbell, P Smith, Savage, or RB if we can't resign Jones.

This could be a great draft for GB since we don't seem to have as many needs as the past 2 years and are starting to come out of salary cap hell. Scoring a starting Safety, even while moving back to gain more high picks would be a huge bonus, if possible.

Some team always wants to move back into round one for the extra year of player control. There could be 3 QBs still around by the Packers pick in Bo Nix, Penix, and McCarty from Michigan. We can take advantage of their greed just like we did with the Saints a couple of years ago, and still get our big need filled. I would take Nubin, Kinchen, Bullard, or Bullock, in that order, and not need to spend a high pick on any of them. Could be sweet.

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NitschkeFan's picture

January 22, 2024 at 01:01 pm

@gp1 Agree with most of your thoughts but definitely NOT letting go of Preston Smith. News is that Enagbare has a torn ACL! So we will not be seeing much of him for all of the 2024 season.

Not only do they need P. Smith but it likely changes the draft too as they probably need to add Edge to the list.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 22, 2024 at 01:57 pm

Just a general thing. Edge is always on the list, as is corner, and big guys who can move.

Every year.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

January 22, 2024 at 10:43 pm

If they bring JRJ back, Rhyan is the only depth on the interior of the O line. You need at least two there and since they both need to be good, they have to be in early rounds. If JRJ is gone Gutey needs to draft 3.

Don't forget about Brenton Cox.

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Cubbygold's picture

January 22, 2024 at 12:35 pm

So much to be thankful for as a Packer Fan this year.

- that comeback win in Lambeau against the saints

- Thanksgiving day against the lions and then backing that performance up in prime time against KC

- Love going from question mark to hottest QB in the league over just 3 months

- Going into the year with this WR and TE room could have been an absolute disaster, preventing a proper evaluation of Love. We could be here arguing whether it was Love that was the issue, or the young receivers. Instead we're talking about having an MVP candidate in Love next year AND a receiver room that makes most teams envious.

- Which brings us to MLF. Who deserves the credit for taking the youngest team in the league to the playoffs, and having a legitimate shot at Superbowl? I shake my head at the critics - you could do so much worse than having MLF as your leader. The guy is a competitor and you can see how badly he wants to win championships. Just an outstanding job this year and he deserves coach of the year votes.

- And how about Gute recognition for the absolute heater he's been on the past few years, on top of drafting and developing Love? Man I hope he stays hot this year.

I refuse to lose perspective. This year was excellent in so many ways and I'm so proud of this team. And thankful for the year they just delivered.

I know Packer fans would probably prefer a different comparison, but there are so many parallels with this team to the 2015 Chicago Cubs. A bunch of crazy young guys, who throughout the year figured out that their ceiling was higher than anyone had a right to imagine. Went into the playoffs that year and beat their hated rivals in St. Louis, but then lost to a mature WS contender in the next round. They took that into the offseason and made history the following year. I hope we see the same story in GB.

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NFLfan's picture

January 22, 2024 at 12:53 pm

@CG-
I think most of the intense fan frustration is directed @ Joe Barry-& rightfully so.
Fans are frustrated that Matt cannot seem to cut ties with a man who has a poor reputation & body of work both pre-GB & currently.

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Cubbygold's picture

January 22, 2024 at 01:02 pm

Fair. And he may correct that decision any day.

There was a lot of change last offseason, I can't fault MLF for not wanting to add 'new DC' to that list as well. There's a lot more stability now and a third year of evidence that JB isn't meeting expectations.

I expect this to be another source of optimism for the future soon.

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Fubared's picture

January 22, 2024 at 12:58 pm

If Carlson is okay then one, pack fans accept average and mediocre as okay and thus dont care about the playoffs and certainly arent hoping for a super bowl. Carlsons, Watsons, Cambells, Savages, Stokes and Nixons wont get you anywhere near that goal. But its okay, 17 weeks of GB football win or lose doesnt matter.
Sure are a lot of people on this board who are accepting average but hope for mercedes.

There is a lot of dead wood on this team you must get rid of. Plus guys who spend their lives on the bench with injuries not contributing but also letting others play for them and wearing down. Way too many guys who seem to be hurt all the time, in an out the line up and making things inconsistent for the coaching staff.

Fire Carlson and say, its been a ride your getting off the next stop pal. Had your chance and blew it.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 22, 2024 at 01:30 pm

It's hard to imagine how frustrating it must be for a Viking fan who has never so much as seen a trophy in their dusty case. Keep posting friend, one day your team and its fan sites will generate something worth talking about. Nah.

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golfpacker1's picture

January 22, 2024 at 03:06 pm

Cutting P Smith doesn't save much salary cap wise. Only saves $2 million and he was productive this year. Campbell on the other hand was not productive, but cutting or trading also saves only $2 million. After next year would save alot more on both players. Smith had a below average 2022 and better 2023. We paid Savage almost $6 million last year. We could find a much better FA for less than that.

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Fubared's picture

January 22, 2024 at 03:24 pm

Bad news for pack fans, most of our secondary are free agents that no one else will want so that means Murph can play cheap ball and give them a bag of peanuts and were stuck with these suckers. He probably will keep Dillon to even after watching KC run out 4 very fast elusive running backs that wore down defenses, he will save a buck on mr 4 yards and a crash.
The Pack should rebuild the secondary, this is the optimum time with some guys who can cover and tackle and have speed, bundle picks or what ever but get rid of the dead wood now.

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Oppy's picture

January 23, 2024 at 01:28 am

Bad news for Vikings fans, the Packers didn't fall off the ledge and your wet dreams of taking control of the NFC North are shattered.

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Packerpasty's picture

January 22, 2024 at 06:41 pm

More obvious needs in the draft than RB but if the top two are gone in the first three rounds, Brooks and Benson? ...cant remember.. but anyway Blake Corum would be a nice addition as long as Jones stays...he's a thorn in the side of most teams with his power and football smarts...not a big burner but an excellent football player...

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golfpacker1's picture

January 23, 2024 at 03:32 pm

No need to bundle picks to draft a top Safety. If we took one at #25 it would more than likely be the first one picked. If we could find a trade partner to move back late first or early second, that would also probably be the first Safety taken. We would pick up at the very least another premium pick and still get a top 3 Safety. That would get us another opportunity to fill a hole with a top player.

Does anyone know if Brenton Cox was suited up for the SF game? He is a wild card possibility at Edge next year. Any info on him?

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