OTAs: No Rodgers, No Problem?

Chemistry with new receivers will have to wait.

The Green Bay Packers begin offseason training activities today.  It’s the latest opportunity for the draft class of 2022 to learn the system, for the street free agent signees to begin their quest for a spot on the team, for returning veterans to hone their craft. 

Quarterback Aaron Rodgers is not expected to attend.  OTAs are voluntary, but considering the turnover at the receiver position this offseason, his absence may be more significant.  The Packers drafted three young, promising pass catchers, and signed free agent Sammy Watkins.  Rodgers has never thrown a ball to any of them.  Developing chemistry between quarterback and receiver is a long, slow process, especially with a guy like Rodgers, who feels he needs to build “trust” with a potential target before choosing to hurl the ball his way in a game.  Skipping these workouts would seem to put the four time MVP behind schedule in learning his new teammates, and vice versa. 

One person who does not seem concerned, at least not outwardly, is quarterback coach Tom Clements.  “Aaron doesn’t need reps at this time of the year” he told the beat writers last week.  “Obviously it would be nice to have him here, but he’s seen these things a thousand times and he’ll be ready to go when training camp starts.” 

If anyone is in a position to know how much preparation Aaron Rogers needs to begin a season, it would be Clements.  He was the QB coach in Green Bay from 2006 to 2011.  That was the span of time in which Rodgers emerged from a three year back-up to taking over the starting reins from Brett Favre.  He was Rodgers’ mentor as the blossoming signal caller improved exponentially each year, leading his team to a Super Bowl title in his third year as the starter.  Clements was promoted to offensive coordinator in 2012 and eventually to assistant head coach in 2015.  Rodgers has often referred to Clements as one of his favorites, and no doubt was instrumental in bringing the 69 year old Pennsylvania native out of retirement.   

But what about developing a feel for his new receivers?  Doesn’t QB12’s absence hurt them?  Clements maintains there will be plenty of time for those connections to be established.  For now, he says guys like Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs, Samori Toure and Sammy Watkins need to focus on fundamentals.  “I think it’s best for them to learn what’s going on so they’re ready to go in training camp.  This time of the year they’re learning, making mistakes, learning from their mistakes, so that, hopefully, when training camp comes they’re ready to do their best.” 

And if none of them see a ball thrown to them from Rodgers until mandatory mini-camp on June 7th?  Or maybe even training camp in late July?  “There will be enough time, at that time, for Aaron to work with them” Clements confidently states. 

Of course, the positive spin that coaches are quick to point out is that Rodgers’ absence provides more reps and experience for back-up, and presumed heir to the throne, Jordan Love.  Two others, Kurt Benkert and Danny Etling, will try to show enough to earn at least a spot on the practice squad.  For the second spring in a row, all eyes will be on Love.  “This is Jordan’s third year” Clements reminded.  “He’s just trying to become more familiar with the offense, where you don’t have to think about it as much.  It just clicks.  He got most of the reps once we started doing the team reps last year, and he’ll get most of them this year so getting reps against a defense is beneficial to anybody’s growth.” 

Clements says Rodgers stopped by Lambeau a few weeks ago when he was back in the state attending a Milwaukee Bucks basketball game (Rodgers is a minority owner of the Bucks).  Since then, there have been a few text messages back and forth, but basically the team is depending on their star signal caller to get himself ready for the rigors of another training camp and season.  “He’s at a different stage of his career now where he’s taking care of himself” Clements says.  “He looked good when I saw him”. 

Rodgers has remarked about having some sort of input and influence over personnel decisions that affect his ability to do his job.  It would seem that this new crop of receivers will play a critical role in that ability.  One would think most quarterbacks would be eager to start developing chemistry with such new blood as early as possible.  But, as all of us know very well, Aaron Rodgers is not most quarterbacks.  The team feels he has earned the right to call his own shots and make his own schedule to get ready for a season.   

Let’s hope so.  He and his team certainly weren’t ready for week one last season.  

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 23, 2022 at 06:08 am

Heck, I don't know. First impressions can be important. For all I know, maybe it is better for the rookies to learn a little rather than have AR's first impression of a player be a receiver who looks clueless.

Getting the timing down would be nice.

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greengold's picture

May 23, 2022 at 08:47 am

Totally agree.

Give Love the reps while the new and year 2 guys work on getting their route responsibilities down. There were no voluntary camps in the Lombardi era.

When TC starts for real, Aaron Rodgers will be there, and the new players will be more ready, with fewer distractions, and likely, more confidence.

I’m pretty sure this was the exact intent in having voluntary minicamps.

Would I prefer Aaron Rodgers was there? Maybe. Maybe not…. AW, HELL YES! I wish he wanted to be there, and that no one could possibly keep him away…

I expect less of him now after all these revealing years. That’s my self preservation mechanism.

As a fan, one who was about as all-in with him as I could have been, despite my doubts, I was completely crushed and bewildered that draft Day 1 2021… 13 months ago. I’ve never recovered.

AR as QB1 causes one to constantly search out positives on the flip side of a coin. Personally, I’d rather not have to deal with all this garbage and let Love take over. He throws a better deep ball, and he’d be more compliant with scheme intentions. I have zero problems admitting that.

Knowing AR, and his inability to remember his own days of learning and really crappy play, yeah, I get this.

I guess any good fan of the Packers would want him to be there, wanting to be there... helping the rookies get acclimated, and all that good stuff. It's OK. We'll be fine. There's too much talent there. Let them get up to speed with Love slinging it.

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Tundraboy's picture

May 24, 2022 at 07:46 pm

And totally agree with this, especially the self defense mechanism.

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greengold's picture

May 23, 2022 at 09:08 pm

Ha! Yeah, Tundra, we all do what we can.

My take is just to try my best remain a supportive fan, as always, and hope for the best. I find a whole lot to like for this upcoming season.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 06:48 pm

Good post GG!

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mnbadger's picture

May 23, 2022 at 12:40 pm

Possibly the most poignant sentence in KL's article is the last one:
- "He and his team certainly weren’t ready for week one last season."
This sentence brought back the stink of LY's opening day debacle. Now I have to go from supremely confident back to my therapist to re-erase that smell from my memory.
If ar's attendence adds to team preparation for week one, I say it should be mandatory. No excuses can be accepted in 2022. GPG!

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dblbogey's picture

May 23, 2022 at 11:29 pm

I think if I was getting paid $50 million, and wanted to win a super bowl, and had 3 new receivers, I would be at the OTA's.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 06:50 pm

Not only that but for the first 3/4's of the season AR's deep ball percentage was in the bottom half of the league. At minimum about middle of the road. He was terrible!

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NickPerry's picture

May 23, 2022 at 06:27 am

I don't know, IF my employer made me the HIGHEST paid QB in the NFL...AGAIN... I think I would probably show up for a FEW days and get to know me new teammates.

The comments by Clements are pure and utter BULLSHIT. Yes, Rodgers does know what it takes takes to get ready for a NFL season. But he doesn't know a thing about Watson, Doubs, or even Watkins. Just having your "Leader" there would seem important IMO. Then again, we've never really claimed Rodgers to be a leader have we. Not in a while at least.

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scoonie_penn's picture

May 23, 2022 at 08:14 am

agreed, these young WR need to understand that there are high expectations for them to compete and thrive at a high level. If these newbies can't handle the expectations and pressure, how are they going to do it on game day? Maybe the other teams and the GB defense will give them do-overs. Handling pressure, competing and dealing with high expectations are mandatory to the success of every NFL player. Anything GB can do to get them ready IMO is vital.

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Tundraboy's picture

May 23, 2022 at 08:18 am

Certainly not a leader in the sense that you and I have expected going back to the Lombardi years. It is what it is I guess. I would love to see him come to camp with a vengeance one year.

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Coldworld's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:05 am

What else was Clements going to say? I read it as making the best of an undesirable situation. This is a team sport, it’s not just about what Rodgers needs, it’s about what his teammates need: this isn’t an amateur league.

It’s not even about reps necessarily but just as much if not more about building personal chemistry and creating a culture to lay the groundwork. for later. Would Starr have showed up? I think so.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:05 pm

Ridiculous. Throwing Bart Starr in there? That's kind of like WWJD? The league doesn't begin to resemble the NFL of Bart Starr's days. None of us know the grind of an NFL season particularly with 17 games, plus playoffs, plus a trip to London and after 17 seasons, I'm going to give the league MVP the benefit of the doubt on how he prepares for the season and how he exhibits leadership. Does it make any of you feel any better than Rodgers texted Watson as soon as he was drafted? He called Sammy Watkins after he was signed. Sounds to me like he's already "building personal chemistry."

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Coldworld's picture

May 23, 2022 at 06:16 pm

That’s just a broad testament that Rodgers can do no wrong in your eyes. He can. He’s fallible. Why not compare him to the best leader the franchise has had? Because that casts a shadow on your idol. Now that’s ridiculous!

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greengold's picture

May 23, 2022 at 09:17 pm

Great points, WestCoast. I agree, this carries less weight than what some might think, and there’s still a chance he shows up. If not, the time spent with love throwing to these young WRs remains a positive. Get some familiarity with their assignments. Settle some nerves.

I think Rodgers may surprise us with how he handles this quick study of these young players in TC. It doesn’t benefit him to not do so.

Maybe these guys getting their legs under them first will be helpful, more productive. We’ll see soon enough.

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dobber's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:48 am

The employer also tied virtually no contract money to workout bonuses...so the employer essentially says, "do what you want, we're OK with it either way."

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:56 am

If Rodgers doesnt want to come to OTA'S, ok whatever. But I dont want to hear him talk about a lack of trust in his receivers EVER again when he's not doing everything in his power to help them grow into the players he expects them to be. He wanted more say and control over things. Well what is the team getting from him in return? Seems like a one-way street to me.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 01:42 pm

Bingo RTS, you got me thinking. If #12 gets a street named after him, it's gotta be a one-way street. A frontage street along the Hwy (my way or the highway). During the winter months the street will be closed (playoffs) of course.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:52 pm

It'll be nicknamed the Highway To Hell

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 05:48 pm

Thanks, gotta CRANK that one...! 👍

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 06:51 pm

Such a totally awesome and true post NP!

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stockholder's picture

May 23, 2022 at 06:48 am

Doesn't hurt. These Wrs have a lot to learn. If they're Not ready, its not Rodgers Fault. Blame the coach and the player. Rodgers can't get into bad habits coaching them.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 23, 2022 at 07:01 am

apologist.

anybody with a pulse KNOWS that there would be advantages to AR showing up. Is it absolutely essential? Probably not, but... could it conceivably help? Yes.

Supposedly there are no points of contention between AR and the team right now. The GBP made him the highest paid player in NFL history - AGAIN - and yet there are those who give AR a pass when true leadership moves, like showing up when the team gathers, are ignored.

Please, let Jordan Love blossom this year, it just cannot happen soon enough.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:38 pm

Perfect JB!

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:00 pm

Thank you for a sane take on this. I really think most of the whining is by fans upset at the loss during the playoffs. #12 coming for voluntary mini-camp is not going to change the outcome of the playoffs last year or this year.

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stockholder's picture

May 23, 2022 at 06:37 pm

There are so many starting QBs sitting it out this year. #12 isn't the only one. We're so fortunate to have him.

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 23, 2022 at 07:05 am

While OTA's are voluntary and coaches have to say that, you know damn well they want Rodgers there for at least some of it.

I personally wish Rodgers would be there to start building chemistry. By going there now and teaching them how he wants them to do things would give them a jump start heading into Training camp. Vs learning it all there.

I'm not saying this will have a huge impact on the season either way, but I do wish he would come and be a part of it so he could start the chemistry building with them. I just know it would make most of us feel better about our situation if he did come.

Now on the other side of it, this is yet another opportunity for Jordan Love. He needs all the reps he can get. Hopefully this time will give him a really good chance to grow. Hopefully he takes a step mentally. Love may never be the future starting QB in GB. But the better he does is the best thing for GB. It may lead to a trade or it may lead to him being the future starting QB. But in the mean time we need him to be better so if we need him this year its not a loss.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

May 23, 2022 at 07:12 am

My first knee-jerk reaction was to be annoyed at Rodgers, but after some reflection, I think there are several reasons why this might actually be a BETTER situation.
1. The rookies already feel a ton of pressure; Rodgers would likely only make them start over-thinking even more.
2. "What Rodgers wants" from a receiver may be better communicated by the coaches and the vets. Divas often lack self-awareness; it would be easy for Rodgers to emphasize something that isn't really deserving of emphasis, and the rookies would put overly much weight in those comments.
3. TGR's comments on first impressions is a good one. Better that the rooks have time to get things down well enough to not embarrass themselves TOO much in that first impression.
4. It's a good opportunity for Love and the WR vets to work on leadership, without the #12 elephant in the room.

Additionally, I truly don't believe there is any "timing" to be learned months before camp. I'd like to see Rodgers show up in a team meeting, wish everyone well, etc. then LEAVE.

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GregC's picture

May 23, 2022 at 07:22 am

That all sounds about right. While I would like to see Rodgers there, and I'm sure most other fans would too, this is pretty far down on my list of things to worry about.

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greengold's picture

May 23, 2022 at 09:04 am

Yup. Agree Greg & PEO.

Can see there might be positives to these new WRs getting more well versed in the playbook, where they need to be, what they need to do, etc. prior to AR jumping in. I get it. There's a chance this makes for a better TC.

The flip side of the coin.

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Coldworld's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:09 am

I disagree. If Rodgers is that much of an ogre, then that’s a chilling indictment of him and the team culture. Instead he should be working to get his new colleagues comfortable around him. I don’t care if he never throws a ball, just be there and offer tips and break the ice. I wonder how many of those excusing this would if it were any other player or team.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 23, 2022 at 11:06 am

^^^^^^^ this... Coldworld has it.

I don't expect AR to come to OTA's and fire lasers to the newbies to get them "acclimated"

I don't particularly want AR to take any reps from Jordan Love.

What I would like to see is for AR to show up, yuk it up with the kids a little, let them see that he is just one of the guys and a friendly sort of fellow and perhaps, just perhaps drop a couple of tidbits on top of what the coaches are delivering to the kids to get them up to speed.

Create familiarity. Build rapport. Facilitate the real learning process which will occur later in mini-camp and training camp as well as into and through the regular season.

Also - for bonus points - maybe SEE that the approach from last year, which failed miserably as evidenced by game 1, needs tweaking and that each regular season game counts as a win or a loss and none should be thrown away as "training camp light". Especially in a year when the first two games are division games.

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greengold's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:45 pm

EXACTLY, Johnblood!

He’s revealed much about himself these past 13 months. Nothing I am thrilled with. I’ll never reconcile what he did our last game. Never.

I agree with all of your points listed as being preferable.

Love getting all those reps is going to be great. He’s got a legit arm, Year 3 in LaFleur’s O. Can’t wait to see some magic.

AR simply showing up would be a step in the right direction, and, maybe he does after all.. Whatever. I’m done playing those games. Not going to let it stress me out. Just going to see what happens this year.

A lot left to play out. It’s voluntary OTAs. Hang in there bud. You’re 100% spot on. Nothing we can do to change it.

In closing on this, Wes Hod wrote an awesome piece about how Christian Watson is driven, how he ticks. Roles reversed, Watson would be here throwing to the new guys… What does THAT say?

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Johnblood27's picture

May 24, 2022 at 07:50 am

The Bed-Wes-ter is a milquetoast reporter, and Spoffy-poo is neck and neck with him in the rankings.

They should send 80% of their pay each week to Vic in Edisto Beach.

OK...
...and don't ask if I would like my subscription money back...

I miss Vic's knowledge, perspective and wit.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 24, 2022 at 08:42 am

Hey JBlood, I loved Vic. He taught me many things about football and great reminders about life, which I do appreciate! One of his comebacks when a person got salty with him was an "okay". A simple acknowledgement that he heard them. I used that same response in a stressful situation with a family member. And, it worked beautifully. Like you said GG, trying to just look at the positives and remain in that rather than dwell on the negative (peceived or not) is healthy. I LOVE my Pack but what truly makes me tick and where my passions are found, aren't even always football related. Vic put things in perspective for me...and the dude, khakis and all...brought it.👍

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Coldworld's picture

May 24, 2022 at 08:55 am

I didn’t always agree with Vic, but he was always worth reading and willing and able to let one know when he thought that the company line was dubious without actually stating it expressly. Sadly that independent mindset left when he did.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:17 am

Cold, you hit it...what I have learned is what is not being said is just as important as what is...sometimes moreso. Thank you for your perspective...

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:50 pm

Yes, JB!

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greengold's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:50 pm

Not saying I agree with AR’s absence, nor that I want that. I agree with you completely that his presence might be helpful. Just trying my best to see the other side. Not excusing this, but looking at it without bias, as best I can.

It doesn’t shock me, and that’s because we’ve come to know him to act in this fashion.

Not what I want on this team (the attitude, lack of desire for team building) but, I’m trying to stay positive and I’m glad Jordan Love will get those added reps. FFS. I already had my coronaries over his actions these past 13 months. Nothing I as a Packer fan can do but hope for the best. I already stated I prefer he be there.

I’m just going to sit back, see what they do. Personally, I think Jordan Love can take this team where we need to go. That’s my honest feeling on this.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:54 pm

I'm 100% with you GG!

Im confidant Jordan is going to flourish this year!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:49 pm

Very well said PEO!

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hhsbaseball's picture

May 23, 2022 at 07:54 am

He has earned the right not to show up in May. Just recharge the batteries and let the youngins learn some parts then show up ready to go when it is time. No reason to rush it at all.

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blondy45's picture

May 23, 2022 at 12:59 pm

Rodgers does not need to be at the voluntary OTA camp. He does not need to refine his QB skills and knowledge of the offense.

Rodgers does need to be at training camp the sooner the better for the team. He does need to be with his new team-mates and the coaches for that matter. If Rodgers is indeed the face of the Packers, leadership and the respect of his team-mates, he has to show up. If this drags on like last year, we will not be ready for the Vikings week one. If Rodgers remains the deva that he is, the team concept gets thrown out the window.

Tom Clemons can't make waves, especially with Rodgers. Clemons has to say Rodgers does not need the reps. Rodgers listened to Tom as a young vet. Now Rodgers is "set in his ways". Rodgers thinks of Clemons as his good ole buddy who he likes and was probably "advised" to be the new QB coach hire this year. If Lafleur has to tip toe around both Rodgers & Clemons on offensive game plans, it could get ugly. IMO Clemons must set rules & expectations for the QB position and enforce the will of the Packers, no matter how Rodgers wants to improvise the game plan. If Clemons caves, I see Jordan Love getting more reps this year in the regular season. I think LaFleur has seen enough of Rodgers change of plays at the line of scrimmage.

If the chemistry is not there between QB-WR, QB- offensive play caller, or head coach-non QB coach, a change will be required. Unfortunately, Rodgers is still the deva he has shown in the past. Rodgers stated in April he could not wait to work with his new team-mates. We will be waiting for that "right" moment for a while until the deva arrives in camp.

On the bright side Love can take control of his future with the Packers. I stated earlier in my posts, Love will love this draft class of WR's & O-linemen. He can now start the bond with his new team-mates which should last for years. All good things must end. Rodgers has been the best regular season QB in Packers history. Unfortunately, his ego & selfishness has kept him out of the GOAT considerations. Sometimes having all that money, TV commercials, the MVP awards, and the winning regular seasons, still cannot gain the respect for the person who still does not know that there is no " I " in team.

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LLCHESTY's picture

May 23, 2022 at 01:51 pm

How will Love's bond with teammates last for years when he's a FA after next season? If you're a QB would you want to stay with a team that didn't let you play for four years or look for a fresh opportunity? I wouldn't be surprised if he says he wants to be traded after this year, which they definitely should do to get at least a little compensation for him before he walks. Unless Rodgers retires after this year the big question of the timing of drafting Love will come to pass.

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blondy45's picture

May 23, 2022 at 03:27 pm

Why would Love want to leave the Packers? They are a great team built for the future. We know Rodgers is fighting father time. We all know who is going to win that war. Love knows his time is coming soon. If Love does indeed show promise in camp, I bet he resigns a team friendly contract in 2023. Rodgers? This may be his last year especially if he cannot be more of a team leader. If he remains the self centered deva who can not bond with his teammates and can not adjust to a new non-Adams tunnel vision offense, he will regress and fail this year. Green Bay will welcome the new kid in town. Green Bay will "LOVE" the new guy! Rodgers may retire and become more active with his outside interests. Maybe he could buy the Milwaukee Bucks, or be the Jeopardy host? Rodgers will not bond with his new teammates. He has neither the time, patience, or ability to do so. Time is not on Rodger's side. The NFL is a young man's game.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 10:02 pm

Blondy,
Super well stated!

Agree these rookie WR's and Love are going to connect and it will benefit the GBP's as early as this season.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 08:30 am

By far, this topic (about #12) gets me the most frustrated by a long shot. I can feel that knee-jerk reaction start to build within me = this is a team sport, not an individual sport. Who is holding #12 accountable for being the voice/image of the franchise? It says something if we feel that the WRs might benefit from him not being there to put more pressure on them. Remind #12 and maybe show film of his practice habits the first few years of his career. Oh wait, he had the luxury of sitting/watching/absorbing #4.

Yes, LaF is in a tricky situation with his age being similar, first go around as HC, #12s propensity to be PRICKly at times with the organization and leadership...hold QB1 accountable for his actions or play (looking at the most recent playoffs)

I don't have the answers because the ones I had aren't in play. #12 should be professional enough to want to help others. Coach, what can I do to help the team? It is way beyond that. Maybe time has passed me by (very strong possiblity) but there is a taste in my mouth, an aftertaste that ain't good (no Sweet Pea, not your cooking this time:)

Since 61' , a few days ago you summed up what and why GBP players played the way they did back in the Lombardi era...huge THANKs because that put it into perspective for me. I now don't really blame #12, I come to expect it (self-preservation, thanks GG). The game has changed and part of me has to change as well...or I will miss the boat. That, doesn't mean I have to like it. I will cheer for #12 and the team like nutz.

Oh, the record and championships are amazing with the Lombardi era Packers. What I salute them for and makes me beaming with pride the most is the character, commitment and TEAM approach!

Go Pack Go! Go #12 Go (please...pretty please...!!)

"No Rodgers, No Problem?"...with Rodgers, I have a problem.

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Guam's picture

May 23, 2022 at 08:30 am

PB: You and I were posting at the same time and said many of the same things about this mess. I can't agree more with your comment about the foul taste this leaves in my mouth about AR and his lack of leadership. I will always root for the Packers, but I can't wait until the Rodgers era is over. He is making it hard to be a Packer fan.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 09:52 am

Thanks Guam...I really am at a loss for words with #12, until I ain't. What I do like to smile at is the frickin passion about this team...I like that immensely! Have a good one Guam and keep on keepin on...

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Coldworld's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:12 am

It’s not just 12, it’s the facilitators in Lombardi Ave that have let him believe this is OK despite his huge earnings. This is a Mark Murphy set tone.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 11:01 am

Great point Cold...thanks for mentioning this.

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HawkPacker's picture

May 23, 2022 at 05:16 pm

It's not just Murphy, pretty much the whole FO.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 10:06 pm

Guam,
Never hard to be a Packer fan but cannot wait until Love is running the team, however that might evolve.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 23, 2022 at 03:58 pm

I just think this take is ridiculous. These OTA are VOLUNTARY. If you demand any player be there to fulfill their "leadership" and earn their salary, then it is not voluntary. If the league wanted these to be required, they could have bargained for that. He knows the offense. This time of year is about installs and the young players learning the offense. Rodgers knows the offense and he'll get plenty of time with them during training camp and the MANDATORY mini-camp. To dis his leadership after watching him win the league MVP after zero off season activities with the team, and a relationship crisis with the front office is unsupported. When Rodgers comes to town, he is ready and he comes to play. His leadership has not been in question and will not be in question b/c he is missing a voluntary install 17 or 18 years into his career.

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murf7777's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:50 pm

I think many assume the OTA’s is practicing. When only the last 6 are and 3 of those days are the mini camp. Most Vets on all teams dislike them and many don’t go. Remember last year when our top 5 WR’s didn’t go?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 10:07 pm

Murf,
Yes, and how many of those five are still with the team now.....

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 24, 2022 at 04:44 am

It would be illegal if the GM or coaches held AR accountable. It would be akin to asking hourly workers to work while not clocked in.

The FO made it clear that AR's participation during the off-season was not important, er not expected, er not sure I know what word to use. As dobber noted, AR's workout bonus is one tenth of one percent of his annual compensation. That said, this FO puts in large workout bonuses, so that is not their normal operating procedure.

Again, I don't know. The first OTA is pretty basic, if my understanding is correct. Oh well, I never had any school spirit, either.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:21 am

Thanks TGR! Now I got that, "we got spirit yes we do, we got spirit, how about you?"

I'll show you spirit...boys, let's crank "Hair of the Dog" out of the Marantz and Bozaks!!!

Go, go, gooo

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 25, 2022 at 04:34 am

I love "Whiskey Drinking Woman" off that album. Then again, I dated such a woman. Good and bad, but I don't regret it. Great song.

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mrtundra's picture

May 23, 2022 at 08:15 am

Since we will be playing division foes early, will not showing up for OTAs, whatever, and playing part of a game, in each of the preseason games, be enough for ARod to get on track, with anybody? Last year, we lost our 1st game. This year we play a division rival in week one and another one in week 2. I am hoping we do not see a repeat of last year's game 1loss, and against minnesota, no less. If we repeat our week one loss, will we repeat our one and done performance in the playoffs? . Will it take being at training camp for ARod to remember that Davante is no longer with the team, and he will have to throw the ball to other receivers? It's time for ARod to go all in, on winning again. Show up and lead this team, ARod.

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dobber's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:03 am

Remember, too, that last year, #12 skipped minicamp and was dogged by drama throughout the off-season all the way up until the day he reported--on time. Not so much the case this year, so he'll at least get minicamp with these guys, and not be spending his time wrangling over his media coverage.

In the end, you'd love to have him there, but in OTAs and most of minicamp, these are unpadded, non-contact run-throughs where guys are figuring out the playbook and starting to work through their pre-snap reads and adjustments. The on-field time means a lot more than who is throwing them the ball, and 12 should be getting a lot of the reps in minicamp.

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Guam's picture

May 23, 2022 at 08:22 am

Many of the points made are true: (1) Rodgers doesn't need the reps at this stage of his career; (2) rookies might be better off learning the play book before Rodgers arrives; and (3) Love certainly needs the development time. However all of that doesn't eliminate the biggest take away (at least for me) which is a stunning lack of leadership on the part of AR. Rodgers is the unquestioned leader and tone setter for the Green Bay Packers and he can't find the motivation to show up and be with his teammates, new and old, during OTA's.

Yes, Clements excused him, but what else could he say? Publicly calling out Rodgers for lack of leadership would ignite a huge controversy and likely still not get Rodgers to the OTA's. I hope Clements and MLF are working behind the scenes to get Rodgers to come, but Rodgers is enough of a diva to not come anyway. Rodgers clearly believes he is bigger than the team.

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greengold's picture

May 23, 2022 at 09:00 am

I think Since'61 put it best the other day in another thread, that AR and MLF are more like contemporaries. That would jibe with what we're seeing here, Guam.

A lot of us have those "old school," traits tugging at our heart strings. That will that we all look for to run through walls and do anything at all that it might take to improve the team.

I'm not going to make too much of this, personally. The benefits might outweigh the negatives we all can readily point to. Fewer distractions, less pressure to get it all exactly right the first time. This will allow the new players, plus Amari Rodgers, to put some real work in on their routes and responsibilities, get some of the kinks worked out, prior to Aaron Rodgers' arrival.

Jordan Love will be building relationships with this new crew from Day 1. The reviews should be pretty fun to read/hear after these voluntary sessions.

And, who knows? Maybe Rodgers makes an appearance...

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 10:13 pm

I'd be surprised if AR didn't show up just to be seen.

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dobber's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:05 am

"Publicly calling out Rodgers for lack of leadership would ignite a huge controversy"

One way or the other, management has hitched their wagon to 12 fully knowing that (by limiting his workout bonuses in his contract) he would likely be passing on the voluntary activities. As a coach, what else can you say?

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Guam's picture

May 23, 2022 at 03:45 pm

The coaches certainly have no leverage here. Clements said the only thing he could say.

I wonder whether the front office never tried to insert workout bonuses or they caved in negotiations with Rodgers. Given the Packers normally do include workout bonuses, I suspect they caved, but certainly have no personal knowledge one way or the other. If the Packers crash and burn in the playoffs again, the front office will have no one to blame but themselves.

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Coldworld's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:49 am

To pick up on TGR’s point concerning the CBA language, calling a player out for not doing a thing contractually deemed voluntary WOULD invoke a blathering of lawyers descending on any team representative foolish enough to make such a statement.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:11 pm

I am guessing it is highly illegal to work behind the scenes to "get Rodgers to come," since there is a collective bargaining agreement making this time voluntary for players.

I don't know who decided diva was the nasty code word for a PRO who has already done it all and won 2 MVPs in a row. But it is certainly not diva like to know show up when it isn't required. He sure seems to like his teammates and vice versa. He was pulling for MVS and EQ and Tonyan and anybody else willing to put in the work to be prepared when their number is called. He will certainly be prepared.

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Guam's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:26 pm

Since when is persuading someone illegal? The OTA's are voluntary and Rodgers can choose not to come, but the coaching staff is well within their rights to discuss with Rodgers the value of his leadership at these OTA's.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 24, 2022 at 05:08 am

That sounds right to me (but don't sue me!). The language from Article 21, section 2, is:

"no club official may indicate to a player that such individual workouts are not voluntary, or that a player’s failure to participate in such workouts will result in the player’s failure to make the Club (or that a player’s failure to participate in a workout program or classroom instruction will result in the player’s failure to make the Club or result in any other ad verse consequences affecting his working conditions)."

However, the penalties for a violation are large. The Head Coach and the club get fined $250K each for a first violation, though they can be waived at Goodell's finds it was done in good faith. The team's next week of minicamp gets canceled for the entire team. If it happens during the last week, then a week of next year's minicamp gets canceled for the entire team. If there are two violations, two weeks canceled and a fourth round pick will be forfeited. That sounds definite and can't be waived by the Commish.

If a club official decides to discuss it with a player, I hope the official clears every word with a club attorney. The penalties are pretty harsh.

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Coldworld's picture

May 24, 2022 at 08:52 am

Hence the template approximating to “He doesn’t need to be here but obviously we’d be delighted if he code to attend” that Clements used and all teams do in similar circumstances.

It’s very easy to make a preference clear while making it clear it’s up to the listener to decide whether that is enough to choose to attend.

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murf7777's picture

May 23, 2022 at 08:55 am

When I read the headline the first thing that came to my mind was…….Nothing like a good controversial article to start out a Monday morning:).

My thoughts are that it would be nice to see him at the voluntary OTA’s, but I would say it won’t make much difference as most of the first two weeks is classroom. He stated he will attend the mandatory mini-camp that is in week 3 of the OTA’s where there will be live on field practice without pads. Maybe he will stick around for the last three days of the week 3 voluntary OTA’s after the mini camp. He will have quite a bit of time during the Mini-camp and preseason to get acclimated to the WR’s. He’s extremely competitive and wants another title, I suspect he knows what is necessary to make things happen this year.

Let’s keep in mind, last year the top 5 WR’s didn’t show up for the OTA’s. The first two weeks is more so for the Rookies and UDFA’s to get acclimated to the Packers and their schemes. Veteran players don’t like the OTA’s and many don’t attend on any team, I don’t feel it shows a lack of leadership.

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greengold's picture

May 23, 2022 at 09:01 am

Ha! murff! Well put.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 23, 2022 at 11:51 am

This is it. Has anybody actually considered that Rodgers, LaFleur, Gutekunst, etc. actually discussed this and came to an agreement that he didn't need to be here for this?

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Coldworld's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:10 am

Or possibly that Clements was genuine when he said “but we love to see him”?

Would you criticize him if he did show up? Would that undermine the team building? No.

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Lphill's picture

May 23, 2022 at 09:15 am

I think it’s best the rookies get acclimated to the program, I think if Rodgers was there it would put more pressure on the young guys , let them settle in first .

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

May 23, 2022 at 09:30 am

The guy didn't go to his brother's wedding and anyone expects him to show up to throw the football around in Green Bay when it isn't mandatory? Green Bay ain't Hollywood and there are no actresses walking down Main St. This guy is no Bart Starr who would have had to be in a hospital before he would be a no-show.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

May 23, 2022 at 11:08 am

Lol and people wonder why he falls apart in the biggest playoff moments. He's a mental midget. Doing the right thing is the last thing on his mind. It's all about him all the time.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:15 pm

Rodgers a mental midget? The guy who can recall a certain play used in a certain game against a certain opponent several years ago. The guy who can see the defense and read it before the snap?

Please rename yourself Return_To-Insanity. Or just admit you're mad they lost in the playoffs and so are blaming it all on #12. Instead of enjoying a hall of fame talent that slices and dices defenses all year long. You wanna be the saints, pats, colts, giants, trying to make the playoffs without their franchise, Super Bowl winning QB? I'll wait as long as possible to fact that.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

May 23, 2022 at 08:40 pm

I wasnt talking about his mental acuity. I was referring to his meddle. His mental toughness. His emotional maturity. And since you brought up changing handles, you should change your's to WestCoastFanboy and buy yourself a pair of kneepads while you're at it.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 23, 2022 at 09:31 am

He’s not needed. Let Love get the work in. These first OTAs are for the coaches to see what they’ve got and Rodgers would only be a distraction at this point.

We need him to show up in the playoffs; OTAs not so much

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Coldworld's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:14 am

Being here doesn’t mean Love shouldn’t get the majority of the work. It’s the being here that is significant not the number of throws or even actually throwing.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 23, 2022 at 12:53 pm

Coldword, you're an analytical kind of guy so maybe you can help me with this.

Neither of us thought the Packers could/should/would have brought Rodgers back after the historically bad collapse of the offense in the playoff loss. Both of us openly questioned how we could put a better team on the field in 2022 with Rodgers, as opposed to Love.

You also have repeatedly claimed that Murphy, with the help of a compliant rubber stamp Executive Board, is leading the Packers to disaster, and that LaFleur, despite his 39-10 record, is part of the problem because you think that he's just a Rodgers meat-puppet.

And now, you think that his mere presence at an OTA is somehow going to make a positive difference for the team, and that Murphy and Gutekunst and LaFleur are enabling him, to the detriment of the team.?

Also, if you're trying to prepare Love to lead the team, I'm not sure how Rodgers' presence makes that work. IMO, there's a downside to having Rodgers there right now. I'm not sure if it offsets the upside or not, but it certainly exists.

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Coldworld's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:43 am

Leatherhead, there are 2 themes here. Learning the scheme/expectations and team building. The two are different in nature. Love and Benkert and Etling are here to make throws and should be.

Rodgers should be here to get to know and spend time with his new pool of skill players. He should be putting them at ease and learning strength and weaknesses and so on. Anything to expedite them settling in with him personally but also in terms of learning his perceptions and expectations as applied to details. The coaches also need that input.

If we are here to win, anything that speeds up individual growth curves and also the partnerships with Rodgers is only going to help. However small, those things can make a difference in play and in individual plays. No stone should be left unturned if one neddd to win.

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NitschkeFan's picture

May 24, 2022 at 11:57 am

Agree with you totally Coldworld. It has been said in this thread and on this forum before. Those of us who would like to see him there are not worried about taking snaps and throwing the ball. It is all about off the field leadership. Lead by example. Especially with all the BS last year it would have been nice to see him put that terrible behavior pattern behind.

In my line of work we do not make $50 million but the old guys still are happy to take the new guys out for dinner and get to know them.

Now in all truth we are not privy to what is going on behind the scenes. Maybe he communicates with guys (phone, text etc) gives advice, offers support etc. If so then we are all off base with these criticisms. And despite him being such a selfish diva I don't think his current or former teammates feel that way (except maybe for Jennings and Finlay ! ).

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Coldworld's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:14 am

Duplicate

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 10:25 pm

LH
He isn't needed on the field during OTA's. He is needed to be present and sow leadership and connect with both the young players and veteran players alike.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

May 26, 2022 at 06:17 pm

Precisely.

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saltandpeppers's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:37 am

"The team feels he has earned the right to call his own shots and make his own schedule to get ready for a season."
You're assuming that the team isn't on board with Rodgers skipping OTA's and giving Love the reps. It's completely plausible that this is also the Packers, not just Rodgers, preferred course of action. In which case, this narrative about Rodgers selfishly hurting the team all seems kind of silly doesn't it?

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 11:16 am

Good point SaltandPep, I didn't let that sink in until later...

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Leatherhead's picture

May 23, 2022 at 12:57 pm

Of course it's plausible. It's probably the way it happened.

When you are in charge of a team, you work WITH your key people. That's how the team has success. The old days of "My way or the Highway" have given way to "Let's work together", and it's an improvement, IMO.

I'm pretty certain that Rodgers, LaFleur, Gutekunst, Murphy, etc. discussed this and arrived at a mutually agreeable plan.....that didn't involve Rodgers being here for these OTAs.

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Guam's picture

May 23, 2022 at 03:55 pm

Leaders lead Leatherhead. Absentee leadership can't lead. I honestly doubt MLF and Gutekunst wanted this, they just caved in negotiations with Rodgers. The front office decided Rodgers was their guy and they did whatever they needed to do to get him to sign up for three more years. And now we are seeing some of the product of that negotiation.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:18 pm

Do you even know what happens in these OTAs? This is not about "leadership." It's about learning the damn playbook. If it isn't apparent to a rookie that the 3 time MVP is the leader of the team, no voluntary off season activities are going to help. Maybe leaders lead by making the best choices for themselves as well, facing a 17 game season, plus playoffs.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 05:39 pm

"Maybe leaders lead by making the best choices for themselves". Then WCPB, we definitely have a leader on the Green Bay Packers!

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Guam's picture

May 24, 2022 at 07:31 am

"Do you even know what happens in these OTAs?"

Apparently enough that my position agrees with those taken by a number of former NFL players and management. ESPN ran a segment yesterday on QBs that weren't in attendance at OTAs and while the topic was hotly debated, the majority of former NFL players and GMs were of the opinion that Aaron Rodgers should be at the Packer OTA. The reason had nothing to do with learning the playbook and everything to do with Rodgers setting an example for the younger players as well as building relationships with those same players (leadership). The ESPN participants pointed out that Brady and Stafford will be at their team's OTAs and they just got a leg up on the Packers for the 2022 season.

Do you know what leadership means?

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Leatherhead's picture

May 23, 2022 at 12:58 pm

This post censored by the Department of Redundancy Department.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 01:02 pm

Thanks LH! 💪😁👌

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barutanseijin's picture

May 23, 2022 at 06:55 pm

Firesign Theater reference?

Shoes for Industry!

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tincada's picture

May 23, 2022 at 11:20 am

“Aaron doesn’t need reps at this time of the year” he told the beat writers last week. “Obviously it would be nice to have him here, but he’s seen these things a thousand times and he’ll be ready to go when training camp starts.” Tommy, I couldn't agree more, Than that begs the question of what the hell are you doing there other than to assuage your diva's ego? Really, you haven't coached in the last 6 years with exception of some time with Murray (whoopie) so what are you bringing to the table that AR hasn't seen?

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Jaqu’eau's picture

May 23, 2022 at 12:56 pm

As I mentioned in a post several months ago, I am convinced that the Clements hire is more for Love than Rodgers.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

May 24, 2022 at 07:58 am

I hope you're right, but I doubt it. If the Packers had moved on from Rodgers, theres no chance Clements comes out of retirement.

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Since'61's picture

May 23, 2022 at 11:47 am

OTAs, mini-camp, TC, preseason games are all parts of a process to enable teams to prepare for the season.

At this point the OTAs are basically an orientation to their team, its systems, coaches, and the NFL overall. In orientation it’s more important for the new/younger players to focus on absorbing and learning all that they can.

Does Rodgers partipation help or hurt at this point? Does his appearance help the younger players with absorbing or learning or does he provide a distraction to this first stage of the process?

Will young players be absorbing or will they be trying to make an impression on Rodgers? Will their confidence be helped or hurt by Rodgers being there? Will they feel additional pressure to not a mistake in front of him? Will it hurt their confidence if they do mess up while he is watching?

Bottom line is that this is a time for the coaches to clearly get their messages out and for the coaches to establish their relationships with the younger players. This is a time for teaching, not a time for worrying about reps or timing.

If we want Rodgers to have more reps and to work on timing with his receivers than we need more practice time during TC and at least one less preseason game. That is when the reps and the timing matters.

Rodgers has not attended OTAs for at least 2 seasons and he has won 2 MVPs and the team has been 13-3 and 13-4 so obviously OTAs mean nothing to him and the veterans. Give the coaches their time to establish fundamentals without any baggage or additional pressure in their way.

BTW, comparing Rodgers with Starr in this instance is the wrong comparison. Why? Because in the Lombardi era, up until 1966, Paul Hornung was considered the leader of the Packers, not Starr. Even Starr commented that Hornung was the leader of the team particularly on offense. Hornung did not necessarily set the best example for young players by sneaking out of camp and bed checks as often as possible not to mention his gambling suspension in1963. In 1966 with Hornung injured Starr then became the team’s leader and he won the MVP that year.

I would say that Hornung, for his era, was at least as much of a prima Donna as Rodgers is today. In any case OTAs mean little if anything for veteran players. Let the young guys soak it all in. They need as much opportunity as possible to make their transition to the NFL.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 23, 2022 at 01:44 pm

Were they bitching the same way about the embezzler never showing for OTAs during his Graduate Level years? Not Hardly. Get them into the Playbook. Find out who is capable and willing to Learn. Some of these guys have not gotten past page ten in a 500 leaf tome during four years on the job. Rodgers will show in June and then July and August to fill in the blanks. Like any solid group, there were multiple Leaders on the Lombardi teams. No one challenged your avatar. In many ways he set the tone along with Gregg.

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MainePackFan's picture

May 24, 2022 at 03:34 pm

Excellent '61

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 10:31 pm

Since,
Thanks for the walk back in time.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 01:20 pm

Rodgers... it's not you, it's me...I think we should see other people. I will tune into a Lion's game and you, can start seeing other receivers this season, okay?

Shhh, it will be okay. Here, here is a clean hankey...if you want it to dance, you can even put a lil' boogie in it.....

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 24, 2022 at 05:30 am

Tough crowd.

The British comedian Jimmy Carr writes 1,000 jokes for his new routines which he whittles them down to 250 for the last show that does on a DVD or netflix.

Of course, some of the 750 jokes he chucks don't absolutely bomb! 😁

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:25 am

Thanks TGR! :D

If your gonna swing for the fences (or bunt), you have to be prepared for the strikeouts...."next batter!"

GPG!

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MainePackFan's picture

May 24, 2022 at 03:45 pm

No one bats 1000 for their career Pantz, keep on swinging :)

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 24, 2022 at 05:07 pm

Maine, you are a nice dude. Yes, I will adjust the lid, clean off the specs, adjust the nutcup, choke up on the bat and TIME OUT ump, I ain't ready... :)

Tomorrow, now THATs another story... :D

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Coldworld's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:32 am

Humor is never appreciated when an idol is being targeted. Sometimes, however, it may in time open up eyes and minds to questions over time. Here there are clearly some who can’t abide questions being asked of an idol and others who refuse to see any cracks in the Packers firmament. Then there are others who see questions aplenty.

As I see it, those who can’t or won’t abide questions are probably more certain of their positions. Than they have a right to be and those that don’t like jests aren’t as certain as they like to convince themselves.

This is all starting to remind me strongly of the year before and after Rodgers replaced Favre. The absolute fervor, deaf ears snd certainty combined with increasingly obvious different focuses of loyalty producing more and more fervor and less and less perspective or ability to rationally discuss anything. Sad.

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greengold's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:47 am

Can vouch.

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greengold's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:54 am

What kills me are pointed, stalking-like incessant attacks.

I laugh. That’s such elementary level BS. Many of us knocked all that around in epic fashion on 14.4 dial up modems, while stuck at home under 5 ft. of snow…

We’re all fans of the team, with different perspectives that should help inform, or broaden one’s own perspectives.

I appreciate the hell out of different takes that make me consider things I normally wouldn’t have.

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MainePackFan's picture

May 24, 2022 at 03:57 pm

CW, are you suggesting perhaps the Fandom here at CHTV occasionally takes things too seriously?
Surely you jest :-)

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 23, 2022 at 01:02 pm

Rodgers is supposedly very intelligent. Staying away from OTAs is mind numbingly stupid. Rodgers "brand" is deeply damaged. I have read comments on other team's boards who were rumored to be in the hunt for a Rodgers trade. They were hugely negative toward him. I'd guess 75% cannot stand the man.

Just showing up in shorts, his Hawaiian shirt and a straw hat for a meet and greet for a few days, watch practice, praise players making plays...take the new WRs out to dinner, meet with the new coaches and current coaches with new responsibilities, show you are a teammate, etc would make national news and help EVERYBODY involved. What will he be doing during OTAs that could be more important?

I don't know who is giving him advice to stay away. Maybe it is the mirror. Just not a good look for a guy that needs good looks.

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Swisch's picture

May 23, 2022 at 02:03 pm

Wow, LambeauPlain, this seems to me a great comment!

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13TimeChamps's picture

May 23, 2022 at 02:29 pm

Great post and I agree.

But to be real...he has 50 million reasons not to give a sh*t about his look. Such is the reality of the life of a diva NFL QB. Remember Favre and his private dressing room when he was with the Jets? They're way past being "one of the guys" anymore.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 24, 2022 at 05:35 am

Yes. At one point I thought he had a chance to make a ton of money after football, but I think the brand is destroyed. Still, maybe he thinks he has enough money. Doesn't really seem like he thinks that way judging by this last contract, but I don't know him.

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MainePackFan's picture

May 24, 2022 at 04:03 pm

TGR, nothing time, and a couple Super Bowls won't heal. Let's do it!! :-)

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

May 23, 2022 at 08:56 pm

I dont think he has anyone giving him advice or anyone to hold him accountable and thats the problem. Back in 2010, there were many veterans he had to be accountable to. Guys like Woodson, Clifton, Driver, Hawk, Jenkins, etc. immediately come to mind. Now the only vets who might be in a position to hold him accountable are his buddies and the coach is his biggest cheerleader. Its like Scottie Pippen without MJ. Growing up a Bulls fan, I'll never forget the time during Jordan's brief retirement when Pippen refused to go on the court for a last second play in a playoff game because the coach drew up that play for someone else to take the shot. If Pippen ever tried some garbage like that with Jordan around, Jordan would've broke his foot off in Pippen's ass. Rodgers is Scottie Pippen without a Jordan. As long as he's given free reign without any consequences, we shouldnt waste our time hoping for him to behave any differently.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 10:52 pm

What I find interesting RTS is that I believe Woodson mentioned the Packers should not resign #12. Again, I need to dig deeper and find the article but my initial rxn was one of surprise.

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greengold's picture

May 23, 2022 at 11:54 pm

If I see him around again, I’ll ask him. Can’t wait to talk to Gilbert & Santana about this. Whoah. Those dudes are fun, fun, fun. I’ll be seeing them soon.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

May 24, 2022 at 07:38 am

It was actually an interview. Cant remember with who, but i listened to it a couple times. He didnt really say anything inflammatory towards Rodgers but he didnt really defend him either. He was talking along the lines of what was best for the team longterm rather than short term. Maybe he doesnt like Rodgers. IDK.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 24, 2022 at 08:54 am

Thanks RTS for the clarification... appreciated!

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greengold's picture

May 24, 2022 at 12:01 am

Exactly. Save your energy, my friends.

First part of this is exceptional. No one is here to hold him accountable. Since’61 had a great point the other day, describing AR/MLF relationship more as two contemporaries.

The Packers chose to give him another whirl. Gutekunst took to heart Ron Wolf’s shared single regret being he didn’t give Favre better WRs, more weapons, drafting 3 pretty damned good ones last month, and adding Sammy Watkins.

Stacking insane, scheme specific talents for Joe Barry is what will set us apart. Solidifying ST w Bisaccia, chef’s kiss.

This D will deliver the goods. Forget about the other stuff. I’ve been amazed by the talent stack there. And, maybe AR builds real connections with the new WRs - all, gifted talents. If so, we’ll contend. I refuse to let one guy, one player I’ve liked previously, but have struggled to comprehend and disagreed with, destroy another season for me. Lombardi Trophy or bust.

Maybe they pull this off. As Harry said to Sargent Stadenko, “ Just go with it!”

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

May 24, 2022 at 07:50 am

Excellent post GG. Especially the part about the defense. This defense is going to have to carry this team in the playoffs if it wants to come anywhere near a super bowl. Despite my strong distaste for Rodgers these days (I was one of his earliest fans/supporters when many Packer fans hated him out of loyalty to Favre), I still want him to succeed because that means success for this team which is what i care about the most. I just refuse to get my hopes too high with 12. Einstein's definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly while expecting a different result. With that definition in mind, its not exactly sane to expect 12 to play anything other than average against a top flight defense in the playoffs. Not falling for the banana in the tailpipe again. Its kinda sad because I actually laughed when Robbie Gould made that GW field goal this past January. I had already accepted that fate the moment Rodgers returned to the team over the summer. I had no expectations. And even when the Packers went up 7-0 to start that game, my buddy was begging me to bet the Packers with him but I refused. Just seen this story too many times to think it can end any other way. To bring it all back, I think the defense is going to have to shut teams down or it'll be the same old tragic story.

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greengold's picture

May 23, 2022 at 11:31 pm

LambeauPlain, this is fantastic.

I couldn’t agree more, really. If I’m a player who has won 4 MVPs, two in a row, but couldn’t lead my team, good teams all to advance to the Super Bowl, much less win another, 3 years in a row… and part of those defeats hinged on offensive ineptitude that I was charged with leading on the field as QB1, I’d have been in town weeks ago, at every opportunity.

Especially after getting a raise, and everything I wanted from the Packers front office.

I’d be working non stop to win another ring or 3. Doing everything I could as leader of this team to set the tone, and be a dedicated teammate.

At the same time, Jordan Love will benefit from his absence, getting more reps with a boatload of new talented players to throw to. He’s got the cannon too for the Deep Targets.

Damn, I can’t wait to see that.

All the JL trade talk seems crazy to me, as he’s the chosen successor, and one hell of a backup in his Year 3. No way I’d entertain that idea. I think we’ll see this front office knew what they were doing when they drafted Love, very soon.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

May 24, 2022 at 07:56 am

Yeah thats the one positive here. Cant wait to see Love in action. He will likely develop a strong chemistry with these younger receivers quicker than Rodgers cuz he will get more reps with them as they will all likely begin their careers as backups (Watson maybe to a lesser extent). I dont believe trading Love was ever seriously considered by the front office either. This team stays committed to developing its draft picks. Especially the qb Gutekunst bet his reputation on. Love will remain a Packer till his contract runs out, for better or for worse.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 10:33 pm

Lambeau,
So in agreement!

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cheesehead1's picture

May 23, 2022 at 01:09 pm

We have 3 rookie WR’s and newcomer Sammy Watkins. I know it’s voluntary but 12 is the leader of this team and should show it and attend OTA’s.

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MooPack's picture

May 23, 2022 at 02:00 pm

This thread should be re-visited a few weeks or month into the season to see how the offense is performing. Then we will have more information on how much offseason work was needed. Another MVP year or what his awards should really be? The MISS award (Most Important Statistical Season). Of course there are a few other meanings for that acronym.

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

May 23, 2022 at 08:47 pm

I dont think many are worried about how this team looks early or midseason. Most, if not all of us, are worried about how this team, and its $50 million quarterback especially, will look come playoff time. If they fall short yet again, many will undoubtedly think back to missed opportunities like this and wonder if it could've made a difference had he showed up and put in the extra work with the offense.

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MooPack's picture

May 24, 2022 at 08:14 am

Yes, that was pretty much my tongue in cheek point. He may be the best seasonal QB ever and the Packers best shot at a SB trophy, but come playoff time his play noticeably regresses. This isn't some Beatle's Magical Mystery Tour.

I'll give you some other MISS award meanings.

MISSed open receivers again during critical drives.
MISSed overcoming the teams flaws and mistakes by willing them to win like the greatest QB's have done.
MISS Rodgers at times instead of MR.
MISSed being a team first leader that will do whatever it takes to make the TEAM better.
MISSed the Superbowl...again.

How many more MISSes should we excuse?

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 24, 2022 at 10:36 pm

Moo,
Everyone's focus is on how Rodgers performs but maybe more focus should be whether the rookies and first year guys just maybe could have performed a little better with AR participating.

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Packers0808's picture

May 23, 2022 at 02:38 pm

Rodgers not showing for early practices is BS with 4 new WR on board! Prima Dona BOY BUN can't get messed up I guess. {That Bun looks ridiculous by the way on an old man playing a kids game}

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 05:57 pm

Now I am just kidding and I need a life, but selfishly this is therapeutic for me (now, I am being selfish, sorry). He probably dons the bun to make sure not a single hair gets in the way of his eyes to see himself in the mirror. Okay, I will do my best not to throw any more shade (even green/gold) #12s way.

I am better than this....but, baby steps for me I guess.

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PhantomII's picture

May 23, 2022 at 03:17 pm

AR will be hitting the gym so he doesn't under throw Watson like he did MVS so often and make him stop or come back instead of hitting him in-stride like he should have.....I wish for the day we have a QB that will get together in the offseason to work on timing and build good relationships with our WR's....Or spend time after practice with them.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

May 23, 2022 at 03:28 pm

Blah, blah, blah. Nothing to write about, so let's make noise about someone not attending a VOLUNTARY off season activity. I think if you win 2 MVPs in a row you get the benefit of the doubt on the choices you make for how you prepare for a season. He'll be all in when he does show up and his need to "trust" WRs is all about them knowing what the heck they should be doing on any given play. No QB wants to throw a pick b/c a young guy isn't running the route correctly. When they work hard and don't assume they've won snaps just by being drafted, he's been very positive with young WRs. He's rarely said anything negative.

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PhantomII's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:09 pm

There is an example of a QB that wants to win Championships and what he does and an example of one who wants to win MVP's. I'll take Brady's style all day long. If you take over 50 Mill a year from the " TEAM " that helped get you the $$$$ and the MVP and a voice in the decision making. Maybe....just Maybe you try and put your best TEAM foot forward and do everything in your power to WIN a Championship. Yes, I do wish our QB desired to win enough to take the boys under his wing in the offseason and get them all up to speed...love on them...share a few brewskis and get some work in and at least start the page they need to get on.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:36 pm

PhantomII. Is there a reason you believe that the organization wanted him there, and he is refusing?

I'd have no trouble giving my key people time off so I could focus on other things. He'll be there when it counts.

I do think Shakespeare wrote a play about this, but I can't remember the name.

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PhantomII's picture

May 23, 2022 at 05:44 pm

I believe there are 50 million reasons to get with these guys before the season starts outside of this camp and start working with these new teammates. That is all. I think it helps show all these guys how committed he is and the desire for or at least taking a step forward to starting in the NFL.

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Lphill's picture

May 23, 2022 at 03:53 pm

Amazing how many Packers fans hate their quarterback.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:33 pm

It's amazing how many "fans" hate their team.

Murphy's a bum. Gutekunst doesn't know what he's doing. LaFleur isn't a very good coach. Our DL sucks Our WRs are garbage. Our defense is pathetic.

I've read every single one of these comments, in a variety of different wordings. You could go to a Purple fan site and not read nearly as much negative trash about the Packers.

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The angst over Rodgers is so unnecessary. He's either going to play great, or it'll be his last year here. He's hung on for the last two years because he's been the freakin' MVP. When he stops playing like that, the Packers will have to consider a change to a former #1 pick that they've been working with for years. Maybe this year will be the year.

Does anybody remember Payton Manning's last season? Right out of the box, he didn't look very good at all. Then he got hurt and Osweiler took over and the defense played great, then Manning came back and still didn't play particularly well.

Remember what Roethlisberger looked like last year in the game with the Steelers? This site was full of comments about how old and finished he looked. Dan Marino lost it overnight. Rodgers isn't going to be the MVP forever, and when he's not, somebody else will be our QB. This could easily be his last year here.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:52 pm

Leather, "It's amazing how many "fans" hate their team."...I don't hate #12, the decisions he makes regarding the team is what I "hate" if I have to use the word hate? Plus, I really like the team...that is where my passion comes from. Any player that has done what #12 has done would not sit well with me (yes, even with the MVP seasons). Hate never crossed my mind...maybe more tough love and my opinion and passion. Plus, I am not just a "fan", I am an "owner".

With that, #12...can you come into my office please?

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Leatherhead's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:53 pm

I wasn't specifically mentioning you, or even thinking about you. I could give attribution on some of those statements but I don't think it's necessary. Suffice it to say, there's a plethora of very negative statements about MY team, and I don't like it. Never have.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:58 pm

Like I said before, I love your passion Leather...whether I agree with you or not, has nothing to do with that.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 23, 2022 at 05:05 pm

"Rodgers isn't going to be the MVP forever, and when he's not, somebody else will be our QB. This could easily be his last year here." - Leatherhead

are you just saying these things to make me swoon?

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BirdDogUni's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:36 pm

Amazing how many Americans hate their country too... SMH

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Leatherhead's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:40 pm

It's amazing how many people hate when it doesn't benefit them at all, and actually harms them.

I hate beets. Does that hurt beets? You hate a certain politician. Does that hurt them?
Of course not. The only thing that gets hurt when we hate is us, but we keep doing it. Sometimes, we don't seem too smart.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:46 pm

Exactly, let's give peas a chance! 👍

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 24, 2022 at 05:50 am

Just a bare majority would stay and fight for the US if invaded (see link). I am guessing some of that is virtue signalling (both directions, probably). Being brave as a lion, I'd stay (I think: ask me again when the bullets are flying).

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article259392144.html

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Leatherhead's picture

May 24, 2022 at 10:42 am

I know a lot of people who are willing to defend their own driveway, but the problem isn't in the driveway, it's in DC, and that's where the fighting needs to take place. When a million armed Americans go to DC, this stuff will stop. Not until.

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13TimeChamps's picture

May 24, 2022 at 10:59 am

And what would those million armed Americans do once they got there? Wasn't that tactic already tried on Jan. 6, 2021? How'd that work out?

Let me guess...you've never been in combat. Those are the ones who usually advocate that nonsense.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 25, 2022 at 07:39 am

Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC, Two Medals of Honor. Look him up and get back to us.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:39 pm

I don't hate him, it's most of the decisions he makes (regarding the team) that I hate...big difference.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 23, 2022 at 04:44 pm

You don't hate the decisions, even. You would have made a different one, with the knowledge that you have. Fine. It's probable that there are things that we don't know. If I was running the show, I'd have no problem telling him it's OK to not be here and that it would let us work on some other stuff. He'll be there when he's needed, I'm 100% certain on that.

Rodgers will play great this year, or it'll be his last year here. I'd bet a cold Pabst tallboy on that.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 24, 2022 at 09:27 am

Does it have to be a Pabst silo? That stuff is like Taco Bell in a can... just saying... :D

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blondy45's picture

May 23, 2022 at 05:29 pm

Amazing how many Packers' fans would love their QB to be a team player and show up for team activities!

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 05:32 pm

You have a new not-so-secret admirer...thanks blondy45. 👍

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13TimeChamps's picture

May 23, 2022 at 05:56 pm

Show up...don't show up. I highly doubt it will make a difference on the upcoming season one way or the other.

At 50 mil a year, I would just like him to show up in the playoffs and take over a game like you would expect of an MVP QB. Something he hasn't done since 2010. Remember that game winning drive that Starr engineered in horrible conditions during the Ice Bowl? Remember AR12's 2nd half performance in last year's embarrassing playoff loss in somewhat similar conditions? Yeah, me too.

Based on the other comments on this thread, I guess that makes me a hater.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 23, 2022 at 06:17 pm

Thanks 13Time...you ain't no hater. I don't think any of us are when it comes right down to it. Some are able to accept certain things and some people aren't.

Go Pack Go!

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Return_To_Sanity's picture

May 23, 2022 at 08:42 pm

There's more people on these boards who agree with you than you realize.

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Pantz_Burp's picture

May 24, 2022 at 04:20 pm

Okay, I have to take a break from this message board. My eyes are hurting to the point;

That Ms Tracy Holmes who is making over $13k a month working part time is starting to look hot, REAL HOT! Not sure if she is legit cuz she changes her name every week???

Oh well, smh...momma said there would be days like these. We got this...just have to hang in there till 1265 Lombardi Ave gets real busy.

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