If the Packers Could Retire One Last Number
Aaron Rodgers aside, what former Packer deserves the highest honor?
By GregMeinholz

It is the highest honor a franchise can bestow upon a player. The Green Bay Packers have done it six times in their storied history with one more most certainly on the way as soon as Aaron Rodgers calls it a career. Retiring a player's number means that the player was one of the best to ever play in that uniform. No one will ever live up to wearing that player's number as a result, so they're just going to put that number in the rafters. Or in the Packers' case, nail it to the side of the stadium wall. I feel though, that the Packers have a much higher bar for this honor than much of the rest of the league.
The number 14 for Don Hutson, 3 for Tony Canadeo, 15 for Bart Starr, 66 for Ray Nitschke, 92 for Reggie White, and 4 for Brett Favre, are those already retired in Green Bay. Each of those players is regarded as one of the best to have ever played the position, not just for the Packers, but in the NFL in general during their respective eras. And some of them even still rank high among the best to play their position in NFL history. This tends to make me view some of the numbers retired by other teams in the league as a bit unfavorable. I won't name specific names or teams, but when a team retires the number of a player that I view as just being a "good" not "great" player of that era, I can't help but balk. The Packers' standards are definitely much higher.
There is little doubt that former Quarterback, Aaron Rodgers deserves to have his number 12 placed among the other six along the Lambeau Field palisades. As soon as Rodgers decides his great career is done, the Packers will probably begin planning the ceremony. But with the seven retired numbers, one may think there could be a time when the Packers will need to stop retiring numbers due to the need for numbers to be placed on active players. So, imagine this time does come right after Aaron Rodgers has his 12 retired, but the Packers announce they will retire one more number of a past player before discontinuing the honor. Who would be the most deserving of the honor who hasn't received it already in the Packers' 105-year history?
Curly Lambeau's #1
The team's founder and former player was part of the organization for around 31 years. He wore the No. 1 for only two years though, 1925 and 1926. No one wore the number before Lambeau, and no one has worn the number in a regular season matchup since Lambeau. The number is basically unofficially retired. We've seen a few players wear the number in training camp and preseason, but never in any regular season or playoff game.
You could argue that Lambeau's number should be the last officially retired given his contribution to the team. However, what is Lambeau known for? He's known for founding and coaching the team. Not exactly his playing career. He's enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame as mainly a coach and contributor. So, while Lambeau is a legend of the Green Bay Packers, does he deserve a number officially retired? Is there a number retired for Vince Lombardi? No. So, while number 1 remains unofficially retired, it could hit some turbulence on truly fitting the criteria of an official retirement should the question be raised.
Paul Hornung's #5
Paul Hornung was perhaps the premiere player of Lombardi's Packers. While Bart Starr and Ray Nitschke were certainly legendary anchor points on each side of the ball, Hornung's contributions may have stood just a little above. Many of Hornung's teammates called him the best player on those rosters of legends in the 1960s. Hornung was probably the best all-around running back of his time. Not to mention that Vince Lombardi called him the greatest player he ever coached.
In July of 1967, after Hornung had called it a career, Vince Lombardi had said at a Packers' press party, that he was retiring Hornung's number 5. He stated that as far as he was concerned, there would never be another number 5 in Green Bay. However, there was some argument about whether or not this was an official retirement or just Lombardi stating that as long as he was there, it wouldn't happen. This stood for a few years until in 1985, Vince Ferragamo wore the number 5, given to him by coach Forrest Gregg who was a teammate of Hornung. Gregg had said that the team maybe needed to revive Hornung's charisma and he was fine with bringing it back. Packers Hall of Famer, Don Majkowski was handed number 5 his rookie season but asked to switch to 7 out of respect for Hornung. 5 was worn only once since then by kicker Curis Burrow for only one game.
The number 5 remains unofficially retired to this day. Players have only worn it in Training Camp or Preseason, never an official game since 1988. Vince Lombardi would probably give his famous "What the hell is going on out there!" quote if he saw the number 5 being worn in Green Bay today as he had seemingly stated that it would never be worn again. I guess whoever made the rules back in the late '60s kind of dropped the ball on making it official.
Jerry Kramer's #64
What's a quarterback or running back without a great offensive line protecting them? Jerry Kramer was one of, if not the best offensive lineman of the Lombardi era. You can't look at a photo of the famed "Lombardi Sweep" in the 1960s without seeing #64 Jerry Kramer out paving the way for the likes of Paul Hornung, Jim Taylor, and Elijah Pitts. He is also credited as being the lineman who made the key block in Bart Starr's famous Ice Bowl sneak.
It took way too long for Jerry Kramer to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame for his great career. When you look at the Packers' history since Kramer's retirement, not many notable players have worn the number 64. Whether or not this has been done on purpose would have to be a question for the organization itself, but it would make it a bit easier to retire Kramer's number without a lot of argument.

Sterling Sharpe's #84
Sterling Sharpe is likely the best receiver the Packers have ever seen that's not named Don Hutson. He was practically unstoppable in his era with his stats only rivaled by the player who could take the cake for being the best receiver of all time, Jerry Rice. Sharpe put up God-like numbers at a time when the Packers weren't very good. And when he got a Quarterback named Brett Favre who could get the ball to him at any time, his numbers reached career highs. Unfortunately for Sharpe, his career was cut short after just seven years and he had to wait until 2025 to finally be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
There is no doubt in my mind that if Sterling Sharpe played perhaps a 12-year career, wrapping up around 2000, he would have been a first-ballot Hall of Famer, and have been a strong candidate for having his #84 retired in Green Bay. Since Sharpe's departure, there have only been a few notable #84s in Packers' history. Bill Schroeder had his moments but wasn't enough to overshadow Sharpe, and Javon Walker perhaps could have been great had he stuck around Green Bay and not demanded a trade only to have his career flounder outside of Lambeau. So, retiring #84 in honor of Sharpe, could be a feasible option.
Leroy Butler's #36
I've heard a few rumblings about Leroy Butler's 36 being a retirement candidate. Without question, Butler was a pillar of the Packers' teams in the 1990s. He always had a knack for finding the ball and making a play or even coming away with an interception. He was also a bit of a pioneer when it came to versatile Safety's as he was one of the first to be a big blitz threat and concern offenses when it came to keeping their Quarterback upright. Butler could make plays in the passing game but he could also rush the QB and make stops in the running game. Of course, we also have to mention his contribution to the legendary Lambeau Leap being the founder.
Butler was a great player but his number being retired could meet some challenge due to a #36 that came after him, Nick Collins. Collins was also a great safety that if he had not had his career cut short, may be an easy candidate for Canton today. Perhaps 36 could be one of the first shared number retirements.
Donald Driver's #80
In his time, Driver was one of the best receivers to ever put on a Packers jersey. Driver retired from the Packers as their career leader in receptions and also their career leader in receiving yards. Driver always played with a lot of intensity and a lot of passion. Not to mention that if you look at a list of Packers' players of the last 25 years, I have little doubt that Donald Driver might win a contest for the most popular, or most beloved.
Like Leroy Butler, Driver has another player who wore the Green and Gold that may stand in his way of number retirement. That would be James Lofton who also wore the #80 and may have been a better receiver than Driver career-wise. Lofton was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but Driver is still waiting on whether he will have his chance. Like I said with Leroy Butler and Nick Collins, maybe it could be a shared number retirement. But if not, if there were a player that would be deserving of a number retirement due to how beloved he his by the fans, it would be Donald Driver.
My Final Answer
If it were up to me personally, I would retire Paul Hornung's #5. As stated before, he may have been the best player on his team in his era, and that's saying a lot for the number of Pro Football Hall of Famers on those rosters. Also, if Vince Lombardi wished his number to be retired, it should have happened. Instead of it being "unofficially retired" we should just retire it officially.
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Comments (34)
BuckyBadger
February 18, 2025 at 09:48 am
Hornung I would say yes. The rest I say no. Keep the group exclusive. Lambeau doesn't need it as long as the stadium and statue stand. I think he is enshrined fairly well at the moment and as the article states, his contribution is more being the founder and coach. He was a great player but not a complete stand out during those years. Kramer, Sharpe and Butler where all great players but Green Bay has a unique situation to have an honor that is even more exclusive than the HOF. Driver is in the Packer HOF and that is where he belongs. A good player with a long career but never was the best of the best.
I am not sure I would put #12 up there. He won a title and had a great career but I feel his career as whole feel short. Favre was part of a rebuild that lifted the franchise from obscurity to being a top franchise. I feel Rodgers got the keys to a sports car and returned it with gas tank empty and the oil is 5K miles pass due to be changed.
MilkCan44
February 20, 2025 at 11:01 am
Who's the toughest player I've ever seen on the Pack? No, not Nitschke. It was No. 31 - Jim Taylor. Lack of mention shows this is a partial Popularity Contest. Taylor's ground stats are double Hornung's, touchdowns about equal. Apparently he didn't endear himself enough to teammates and didn't have the personality Lombardi enjoyed (but he also helped carry the team while a certain gambler was suspended for a year). Yes, Hornung was more versatile and more popular, but in the type of football they played. when you needed 2 yds. who'd you have given the ball to?
stockholder
February 18, 2025 at 09:53 am
Yes to 4, 5, 12.
Leatherhead
February 18, 2025 at 09:59 am
I've always thought that Willie Davis and Willie Wood should be considered. They were HOFers, standouts in every way, and I kind of think the reason they didn't get their number retired when Starr and Nitschke's were retired is because of race.
T7Steve
February 18, 2025 at 01:00 pm
I get the feeling based on how it sounded when he announced his retirement at the Packers, that they're going to retire Mason Crosby's # because he has the Packers' scoring record. I guess he did help get us a Super Bowl win.
dblbogey
February 18, 2025 at 04:38 pm
I'd agree. In 17 years, he had 2 down years, 4-5 excellent years, and the rest were solid. He made a lot of clutch kicks over the years, and I loved when he was the last man on defense on a kickoff return and he'd just bury the returner. He was a football player and class act.
T7Steve
February 19, 2025 at 06:25 am
Actually, while I think about it, I might have been mistaken. They will probably put him on the ring of fame. Most of those players Jersie's (if not all) are retired, but I don't know if that's automatically done.
TheBigCat
February 18, 2025 at 10:04 am
If you include Kramer, then these guys deserve a thorough review, too:
Herb Adderly, 26
Forrest Gregg, 75
Dave Robinson, 89
dblbogey
February 18, 2025 at 04:41 pm
I was going to suggest Mossy Cade, but I like your list better.
Cheezehead72
February 18, 2025 at 10:19 am
First let me explain. I do not like when they retire numbers because it leaves too few numbers to use.
Now I am going out on a limb. One of the requirements to retire a number is that the player must have had their promising career ended by serious injury.
So in that regards I am going with Collins.
Since'61
February 18, 2025 at 12:14 pm
FYI, Paul Hornung's career was ended prematurely due to a neck injury he sustained in 1966. Thanks, Since '61
BuckyBadger
February 18, 2025 at 01:17 pm
Why would an injury be a requirement? It should be for players that were not only great but a pillar of the history of the organization.
LeotisHarris
February 18, 2025 at 10:27 am
Damn, what a great photo of Hornung, Jerry, and Fuzzy against the Bears.
Leatherhead
February 18, 2025 at 10:33 am
Fuzzy, of course, was a weak link in that line and had to be replaced.
LeotisHarris
February 18, 2025 at 10:46 am
You are relentless.
Leatherhead
February 18, 2025 at 11:07 am
This whole 3/5 of a line, weak-link narrative is so preposterously stupid that I am compelled to mock it . I can't resist.
An offensive line is not a chain, composed of links. It's more like the 5 fingers on your hand working together to do something. The thumb is strong, but the pointer finger is better for picking your nose. The pinky is a big part of your grip. All of the fingers have different strengths, and they have to work together to make a hand.
That's the better analogy. So let's just cut off our ring finger because it's not good enough. Does that make any sense to anybody?
dobber
February 18, 2025 at 01:10 pm
" The thumb is strong, but the pointer finger is better for picking your nose."
THAT'S what I'm doing wrong...
LeotisHarris
February 18, 2025 at 01:14 pm
Explains my giant nostrils. Who woulda thunk?
LeotisHarris
February 18, 2025 at 01:33 pm
I hear ya. The same argument can be made for the team. It's a group of people moving together toward a goal. Each individual has a specific skill set, some better than others.
The thing a lot of people don't know about Fuzzy is he didn't play organized football until his junior year in college. Tiny Altoona, WI did not have a high school football team, so Fuzzy went to Valparaiso on a basketball scholarship.
In addition, the 1958 Colts player personnel dude was a big RAS guy, and at that time the three cone drill involved literally eating three ice cream cones*, so Fuzzy excelled. What the 1958 RAS didn't identify was while an athletic freak, Fuzzy had short arms, small hands, and a weak punch at the point of attack. Luckily, Jack Vainisi saw a prototypical left guard in Fuzzy and pushed to sign him. The rest is history.
*part of this story may have been embellished.
egbertsouse
February 18, 2025 at 11:44 am
He wasn’t the weak link for partying! In my first year of college I had a job where I used to make deliveries to the Left Guard and met him a couple times.
Leatherhead
February 18, 2025 at 12:10 pm
Fuzzy was a good guy, I met him several times. He was a good player, too. For a weak link.
RedRight49
February 18, 2025 at 12:32 pm
Was in a fraternity at a nearby college - we held several parties at the Left Guard and believe me, Fuzzy was a real party guy and a great guy to talk to. I was literally blindsided on the dance floor by Fuzzy doing his wild version of the Watusi! And I agree with the retiring of Number 5.
egbertsouse
February 18, 2025 at 11:45 am
Hornung. Nobody else on the list.
splitpea1
February 18, 2025 at 12:27 pm
I don't really have an opinion on the matter, but I was surprised Charles Woodson wasn't at least mentioned. He only played at Green Bay for six seasons, but he is a HOFer and they were six very productive seasons that included the DPOY and a Super Bowl championship. Here is Baltimore, Frank Robinson is also similarly retired despite playing only six seasons for us, but once again, six very productive seasons which included an MVP and two championships. So I'm just pointing out that there is a loose precedent here, albeit in another sport.
Since'61
February 18, 2025 at 12:33 pm
My first choice would be to retire Paul Hornung's #5. He was a great RB, an excellent pass receiver and he blocked like a guard. He was also a good passer on the HB option play. he kicked extra points and FGs and even kicked off when necessary. He was one of the greatest all around players in NFL history. He led the league in scoring 3 times ('59 - '61). He scored 176 points during a 12 game season in 1960 and was named the league's MVP in 1961. Hornung is a HOFer and was named to the NFLs 1960s All Decade Team. He career was cut short by a neck injury he suffered during the 1966 season.
My next choice would be Herb Adderley's #26. A 4X First team NFL All-Pro and 3X second team All-Pro. he intercepted 48 passes during his career 7 of which he returned for TDs. He was an excellent Kick returner. He was a fierce tackler against the run and the pass. During the 1965 season Adderley did not allow a TD pass completed against him. He is an NFL HOFer and he was named to the NFLs 1960s All Decade team. He remains the best CB I have ever seen to the play the position.
My third and final choice would be Forrest Gregg's $75. Gregg was a great blocker on both the run and the pass. During a 15 year NFL career he had one penalty called against him. Gregg was a 7X First team All-Pro and named to Nine Pro Bowls. He is an NFL HOFer, he was named to the NFL's 1960s All decade team and he was also named to the NFL's All 75 years team and the NFLs All 100 years team. Coach Lombardi once stated that "Forrest Gregg isquite simply the finest football player that I have ever coached."
Honorable mentions go to Willie Davis and Dave Robinson both of whom were prototypes for the future players at DE and OLB respectively.
Thanks, Since '61
packanimal
February 18, 2025 at 01:05 pm
Thanks for the excellent summary of compelling supporting evidence for these strong candidates.
Since'61
February 18, 2025 at 05:26 pm
You're welcome. I appreciate the positive feedback. Thanks, Since '61
Starrbrite
February 18, 2025 at 06:39 pm
Thanks ‘61, I had intended petition for Hornung, but your superb evaluation cannot be superseded —outstanding.
Hornung and ARod are the only two I believe should be considered.
LeotisHarris
February 19, 2025 at 07:59 pm
Coach Lombardi once stated that "Forrest Gregg is quite simply the finest football player that I have ever coached."
Cliff Christal has written that's often quoted, but not true, '61. Christal's story is on packers.com under the title "It's Time Canton Got it Right." Here's the inro:
"It's time Canton got it right
Lombardi said Hornung, not Gregg, was his greatest player
Let's start with a confession.
On Jan. 17, 1977, in my lead to a story about Bart Starr and Forrest Gregg being voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, I wrote that Vince Lombardi had called Gregg the best player he ever coached.
I was 29 years old and had covered the Packers as a beat reporter for the Green Bay Press-Gazette for three seasons. Based on online searches of Wisconsin newspapers, I believe I was the first sportswriter in the state to report that falsehood in a byline story, although the reference had appeared in wire service stories in state papers, starting in 1975.
Looking back, I consider it one of the low points of my career. I could make excuses about how difficult it would have been to research something like that back when old newspapers were basically available only on microfilm machines.
But I'd just be joining the crowd of many who can't admit a mistake..."
Also, the world has honored Hornung enough imho. The guy was gifted the Heisman because he attended Notre Dame (Jim Brown deserved it, but just happened to be black and play for a winning team), plus he was suspended for an NFL season for gambling, betting on football. Hornung himself admitted he went through life on scholarship. Enough for the Golden Boy.
Alberta_Packer
February 18, 2025 at 03:54 pm
I'm not a fan of retiring any number. Honoring a player / team via plaque, trophy, banner, ring of honor etc. - sure. In short, a player / team should be remembered more for their name rather than their number. Also, humans retire - numbers do not.
jont
February 18, 2025 at 05:10 pm
80
HarryHodag
February 19, 2025 at 10:06 am
Hornung is the obvious answer.
He was every bit the leader among a team full of leaders. I suspect his gambling suspension led to the 'unofficial' status. If you lived through the era, you knew the quintessential Lombardi play, the Power Sweep, was designed for Hornung. He was also a place kicker and a punter. He could do it all and do it well.
He was also a bachelor and he had game off the field as well, according to a close friend who knew Hornung.
Starrbrite
February 19, 2025 at 07:16 pm
10-4 Harry—10-4!
JohnnyLogan
February 21, 2025 at 10:18 am
Hornung, Adderly, Woodson... hard to ignore any of them, but I'd like to put in a word for the two Willies. Willie Davis was Reggie White before Reggie White, a force of nature who dominated the line, terrorized QBs, and was maybe the team's most loved and respected player—a true leader. And Willie Wood wasn’t the biggest guy on the field, but he had the heart of a lion. Wood was a tackling machine, launching his body at ball carriers and cutting them down like a scythe through wheat. Those two Willies were as much the soul of that defense as Adderly and Nitschke.