Gut Reactions: Week 15 vs Oakland

December 20, 2015 at 06:53 pm

If I see Adams get one more target I'm gonna kill myself. He is terrible. Can't play with him. Can't coach with him. Can't do it. Ugh....

Ronde barber recovered nicely after butchering some names. Spot on with call that raiders had no solution for our 2 deep safety looks.

We are brutal, I dread playoffs.

joepacker

December 20, 2015 at 07:15 pm

I wish i could give this post a triple like without, u know, actually liking it.

December 20, 2015 at 08:40 pm

WHY would you DREAD the playoffs??? Because GB likely isn't winning it all? Because (like 11/12 other playoff teams) they'll probably end the season with a loss??? They're still a good team! Still going to most likely win the division! Still have a puncher's chance in AZ and CAR! In a one and done scenario, anything can and does happen!! The best team in the NFL doesn't always win it all.

I assume I am correct in stating that according to you, Cowpie, Marco, JPK etc... we're either the favorite, or brutal. No in between. AMIRITE? Good Lord that is baffling.

Some Packers fans are so effin spoiled it makes me sick.

December 20, 2015 at 07:41 pm

I want another shot at Carolina.

December 20, 2015 at 09:44 pm

Remember when he threw for less than 200 yards and Nick Perry made him his B*tch twice?

Razor

December 21, 2015 at 06:57 pm

meaningless non-playoff game

one of the few games that Perry actually showed up for

December 20, 2015 at 10:03 pm

Must.... Not... Feed... The.... Bovine... Reminds ..... Self.... He..... Just... Wants... Attention...

December 20, 2015 at 07:51 pm

Amen brother. The negativity just baffles me. Just take it game by game.

D.D.Driver

December 20, 2015 at 07:48 pm

Pretty sure I heard Barber say that third down has been the "bean" of the Packers' existence.

He suffers from autocorrect of the mouth.

December 20, 2015 at 06:53 pm

Bulaga neutralizing Mack's pass rush was huge.

bjkdad44

December 20, 2015 at 07:27 pm

He did a very nice job!

December 20, 2015 at 08:35 pm

You mean beluga? I'm sorry, bulaga

December 20, 2015 at 10:16 pm

Thought the whole line pass-blocked well. Still didn't get the results from the passing game we should though.

Djschuett

December 20, 2015 at 06:53 pm

Good points.
A win is a win on the road.
This Raiders team beat the Broncos on the road last week so there's that.

TommyG

December 20, 2015 at 06:56 pm

-SLoppi
-I mean sloppyh
- S-L-O-P-P-Y
-Nice to see a team besides the Packers suffers against the two high safety look.
-That being said I'm surprised we ran that.
-Now we know that the play caller has no effect on the outcome of the game. These guys still can't throw, can't catch, and can't run unless there are less than 15 minutes to play
-Defense has looked good this year. Sure, Clay has been quiet but the D looks good.

Go Pack Go

December 20, 2015 at 09:47 pm

Clay is the one who blew up the pocket on the Peppers half sack. He doesn't always get credit for the pressures he has. I've also never seen any other player get held so much and it's almost never called.

December 20, 2015 at 09:29 pm

Agreed. I even saw several obvious holds on Mathews which weren't called. I mean the 'O'man grabbed his jersey, shoulder and spun him around. Not called? Can't get 'em all I guess.

December 20, 2015 at 09:48 pm

I wish I could watch an NFL ref have to explain his way through a highlight reel of the holds. That would be something to see.

December 21, 2015 at 06:28 am

The good news. They find a way to play their best ball in the final 15 minutes of the game. Its A LOT Better then playing their worst football in those final 15 minutes...

December 21, 2015 at 06:34 am

Yes except for the last two.

Beep

December 20, 2015 at 06:58 pm

This game just could not end fast enough. Both literally and figuratively. Games started later and ended sooner than this one. What an anemic offensive showing. If it weren't for two gifted INT's in the first half, this would be a Loss. Only one drive in the 2nd half actually had some up tempo rhythm.

Why does Davante Adams always look for a flag after a drop? Just catch the damn ball!

Glad we're in the playoffs, but 2 weeks to get it figured out.

bjkdad44

December 20, 2015 at 07:30 pm

Fraid it's gonna be one and done... Not what I want to see but just... Fraid...

December 20, 2015 at 09:40 pm

If they don't get it together, they sure will be 1 and done. Sorry to say. Some want to call me negative here. Hey guys, if you know football, you know:
A playoff contender can run it up the gut on 3rd and short, and get the first down or touchdown. The Packers can't.
A playoff contender can get a pass completed downfield (10+ yards) at least 50% of the time. The Packers can't.
A playoff contender doesn't rely on defensive penalties to sustain drives, The Packers do!
A playoff contender with first and goal at the 2 will get the touchdown 8 of 10 times. The Pack has missed several such opportunities.
A playoff contender plays consistently, win or lose, and has certain strengths that it can rely on. What can the Packers rely on? Against Dallas 'they were back'! This week, looked like the Detroit game and if it weren't for the defense, the offense had nothing to offer.

Hey, I'm a shareholder. I have autographs of Elijah Pitts, John Brockington and that crew! I've practiced in Don Hutson center for my St. Norbert college football team when we had games on turf. I'm not a Packer basher. But we have to call a spade a spade when we see it. I hope the Pack can improve before and during playoffs, or it'll surely be '1 and done'!

December 21, 2015 at 06:38 am

Hard to argue with that. Let's hope somehow things change in the next two weeks.

December 21, 2015 at 08:55 pm

I can tie everything you expressed into ythe simple fact this is not a talented team. It just flat lacks consistent playmakers on both sides the ball.

LPPAKer

December 22, 2015 at 10:10 am

I guess it's a good thing we're not playoff (contenders), since we're in.

December 20, 2015 at 07:43 pm

Please...win by 10 pts on the road? Gift pick 6's count. Why is it that GB mistakes mean we are bad, when opponent mistakes mean we' re lucky? Stop being biased against our team. No, we're not world beaters and will need to work to go deep in the playoffs. I got that.

But can we at least be level headed and consistent with how we assess performance?

LouBen

December 20, 2015 at 07:55 pm

I think the same thing. If we get a pick 6....that's part of defense. That's what's SUPPOSE to happen. Some people forget we are playing against another team that wants to win too. helllllo

Beep

December 20, 2015 at 09:53 pm

Don't get me wrong, I love a 10 point win on the road, and I'm happy this team is 10-4. McCarthy can say that style points don't matter, at some point though, this team needs to figure out how to put together two good halves of football before the clock strikes midnight. The defense is doing enough to get us by, and I'll take all the gift pick 6's that Palmer and Bridgewater throw our way in the coming weeks.
How can you not be incredibly discouraged with how erratic this offense has been playing since Denver kicked our asses in week 8? Minnesota was our only convincing win since the struggle started. Our 6-0 start showed that this team has great potential to air it out even without a running game. I'm just scratching my head what combination of factors is now causing this impotence: nagging injuries on the offensive line, Montgomery and Quarless missing half the season, play calling, WR not getting separation, dropped passes, still no reliable running attack, etc???

I don't think anyone should give up on this season yet. I'm looking forward to the next two weeks to get it sorted out with two respectable showings, hopefully W's. It is crazy the stars are aligning for the final two weeks of the season likely being the reverse of the playoff schedule--@Ariz & vsMin then vsMin & @Ariz. Those games make four great opportunities to build some momentum to make a run all the way to the NFC championship and beyond. Again, also crazy that we then have a chance go back further in our regular season schedule to either play @Car again or vsSea again for a bid to the Super Bowl in San Fran's stadium again.

December 20, 2015 at 09:24 pm

Yeah the pick-six was a gift, but so was Starks fumble and Rodgers INT. Both took very likely scoring opportunities away.

December 20, 2015 at 09:49 pm

Rogers said in post game news conference, regarding that last pick "I tried to get it to 'Wood', but underthrew it!" I think he was being funny, but the dull press guys didn't pick up on it and it landed like a lead balloon. Those post game press conferences are unnaturally dreary. But that's for another comment. Turnovers are part of the game and like tackles, yards gained and passes completed, are plays you try to make more than the other guy. So, no gifts, just good plays and bad plays. That's why they play the game, to see who can make the most good plays.

Icebowler

December 21, 2015 at 12:17 am

I expect Viking trolls to misspell Rodgers, but not Packer fans. C'mon man!

jmac34

December 20, 2015 at 06:59 pm

well that wasn't great. Three plays at the raiders 1 and they can't get it in. That is unacceptable.

December 20, 2015 at 09:31 pm

As he was running, I thought to myself please don't take it wide Eddie. And what did he do ... he took it wide with predictable results.

On the first down play ARod had time to let RRod gather himself after tripping at the line. No need to toss it that quick.

December 20, 2015 at 09:33 pm

Double-post

December 20, 2015 at 09:51 pm

Agreed. Just like Chicago. These signs of an inept offense are what scares me. come the playoffs, there likely won't be much margin for error like this.

Turophile

December 20, 2015 at 07:03 pm

Things are liable to look disappointing when we play playoff calibre teams, but the Pack will make postseason again.

Loss of Jordy turned this team from the best in the league (in preseason), to something that looks very 8-8 ish, even though they have won more. Hope that in 2016 JN gets back to what he was before, so we can see the dominating passing game return.

He (Jordy) did say the stuttering offense was not down to him being out injured, but it is.

joepacker

December 20, 2015 at 07:20 pm

How does jordys injury cause devante to drop passes, again?

December 20, 2015 at 09:52 pm

if Jordy were playing, those passes would be to him and not Devante!

SpudRapids

December 21, 2015 at 08:55 am

Who cares if they "look 8-8ish" they are 10-4 and are a two plays away from being 12-2 as well. Why can't we just accept that this isn't one of the Packers teams that walks away from games with 42-21 victories. Personally, I like the adversity this team has faced and the way the defense is playing.

Gianich

December 21, 2015 at 09:12 am

The defense is really good. Aside from some questionable formations leaving the middle of the field wide open to be gashed by Murray they played really well in pass defense and especially in the red zone. The red zone defense holding to field goals and the multiple Raiders pass interference calls won this game. McCarthy and Arodge did nothing to help this team win today. The unorganized miscommunication is not "adversity" its bad coaching and preparation. When you create your own adversity by poor coaching and QB decisions it's not a positive attribute, its a weakness. The time management at the end of each half and timeout usage or lack thereof, the calls coming in late and checks at the line with 3 seconds left is all maddening. If the offense continues to take entire halves of football off just sputtering in unorganized quagmire playoff teams with playoff quarterbacks are going to be just fine if the defense has to do it all. The special teams is solid. The defense is a top 10 unit, unfortunately the offense is bottom 5.

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/26222/rodgers-assess...

Gianich

December 21, 2015 at 09:23 am

This is not adversity. It's lacking "consistency" and not having "clear direction" but don't take my word for it.

SpudRapids

December 21, 2015 at 11:54 am

I still think the lack of production on offense is because of the receiving corps. Down Jordy, Adams in a sophomore slump, Montgomery out, Quarless out... you add all these together and consistency will be affected. The McCarthy offense has always predicated on receivers getting favorable one on one matchups. We've always had Jordy, Jennings, Driver, guys who could beat a #1 corner until this year. I believe Montgomery was beginning to come on and create separation but he rolled his ankle. The offense is still creating favorable matchups but what I do not believe is that the WR's are winning said matchups. Cobb is great but they can blanket him when Jones and Adams can be covered by a single CB. Rich Rod also isn't beating LB's in one on one situations. Until an outside threat emerges the offense is going to be what it has been.

December 21, 2015 at 09:48 am

The defense is a top 10 unit, unfortunately the offense is bottom 5"

Who would have ever believed that? Even after Jordy went down

December 21, 2015 at 11:07 am

Per Football Outsiders, the Packer offense is #9 in the league and the defense is #10.

zeke

December 21, 2015 at 11:33 am

Wow, lots of posts from cow today. Did you forget your password for the Stormfront message board, Andrew?

December 20, 2015 at 07:02 pm

I'd rather lose and look like a good team then (continuously, year after year) win and be embarrassed of my team like this.

December 20, 2015 at 07:12 pm

There is much in that sentence that baffles me.

December 20, 2015 at 07:14 pm

We definitely looked bad under Clements' playcalling, but Mike's teams have consistently been LESS than the sum of their parts.

December 20, 2015 at 07:25 pm

My interpretation is that for some reason you are embarrassed about a team that won their game today and has reached the playoffs for the 7th consecutive season. If that is correct then I recommend that you become a Jaguars or Titan or Browns or Rams fan and then you can embarrassed on nearly every play. Thanks, Since '61

December 20, 2015 at 07:33 pm

If a team doesn't have talent, then good play isn't expected from them. That's embarrassing, but not in the same way.

If what happened to this team last January is fine with you, then maybe you would enjoy being a Jaguars fan.

December 20, 2015 at 08:11 pm

I'm not sure what last January has to do with this season. As for the Seattle game I was not happy with the way it ended, the defense collapsed in the last 4 minutes and the result was a loss in overtime. However, I'm over it and I'm looking forward to the playoffs this season.
As for my reference to the other teams my point was that if you are embarrassed by the Packers then it would not take very long for you, as a fan of one of those teams, to wish your team made the playoffs and had a chance to win the SB every season. Even as a Packers fan I can assure you that the day will come when you look back at the last 23 seasons and wish the Packers could reach this level again. You're too young to remember the 70s and 80s so I understand that you cannot relate to how good we have it now and have had since 1992. I'm also sorry that you cannot appreciate and enjoy this current era of Packer success for what it is. Thanks, Since '61

December 20, 2015 at 08:59 pm

I could not like this comment enough since61.

NFL playoffs are one and done. If they restarted and did it over again it would have a different result pretty much every single time. What you ask from your team is consistency, talent and a chance at the roll of the dice that is the playoffs.

I would have killed for a team this "bad" in the 70's or 80's.

December 20, 2015 at 09:41 pm

If my team was greater than the some of it's parts, it would be more fun to watch, even if they lost.

But when you have talent and just piss games and seasons away, that's what disgusts and disappoints me.

The reason stuff like what happened last January continues to befall us is that, most of the time we win despite that type of self shitting. So people just accept it. It doesn't get cleaned up, and it comes back to bite us in the ass.

December 20, 2015 at 09:59 pm

My interpretation is that just because other teams are worse than you, doesn't make you 'good'. I am proud of my team when they play well, play with spirit and play their hearts out, win or lose. But just because they win, for whatever reason, while they look disorganized, inept and ineffective much of the game, similar to what you'd expect early in preseason, is nothing to be proud about. How can you look forward to the post season when you see other playoff contenders playing strong with consistency and even dominating (like the Pack did so often last year) and then you look at the Pack's Up and Down season? It's not a confidence builder that's for sure. However, getting into the dance is the goal for regular season. Things can change and anything can happen. Let's hope we get the unexpected pleasant surprises because 'probability' is not on our side! Merry Christmas!

December 20, 2015 at 07:49 pm

I'll second Idiot Fan. Nerds comments are incoherent at best.

December 20, 2015 at 08:12 pm

I'll third idiot fan's comment! Thanks, Since '61

LASVEGAS-TOM

December 20, 2015 at 09:31 pm

Since 61, I don't know why some people are running this team down. They are 10 - 4, & realistically should be 12 & 2. Crosby's missed kick against Detroit, & the Horrid Downpour against Chicago cost us 2 wins. Whatever, this team looks to me like they are going to peak at the right time. I'd like to play at Lambeau, but this time of year, I wonder how much of an advantage it is? Yes, it's better to be at home as a rule, but the weather is such an equalizer, I wonder how much of an advantage we have. I personally don't think this is the Frozen Tundra team anymore. Unless we can get a bye, I don't see that much of an advantage if the weather is bad. JMO

Regarding your last post going back to 1992, whenever I get the chance, I always want to go back a little farther & give Don Majakowski (Magic) some credit. IMO he was a Very Good QB with NO COACHING, & VERY LITTLE team around him. He really was the 1st QB to get us out from under the door mat, & back in the playoffs. He makes the list of 1 of my favorite Green Bay Packers.LVT

December 20, 2015 at 09:43 pm

We scored more points than the other team. If that's all that matters to you then you should be happy. For today.

murphy

December 20, 2015 at 10:07 pm

Do you think the Seahawks cared about playing ugly for 55 minutes last January?

I'll take an ugly win over a moral victory every time.

tm_inter

December 21, 2015 at 06:16 am

Vince Lombardi once said: Winning isn't everything; it's the ONLY thing! He never said anything about playing pretty.

Packer fan since 1966.

December 21, 2015 at 07:47 am

tm - I'm with you! Thanks, Since '61

dobber

December 20, 2015 at 11:27 pm

That's all that mattered, when it really comes down to it, today.

December 20, 2015 at 10:43 pm

LVT - good post! I remember the Majik man well. He played hard, but you are correct he didn't have much around him and his coaching was questionable at best. He was the beginning of what has become a long term turn around. Prior to him Lynn Dickey gave us some respectability as well. Beyond that we have to go all the way back to the Lombardi days when my Packer fanhood began. As for our 2015 Packers I see no reason to be negative about a 10-4 team. If our defense remains strong we can keep any game close enough for the offense to make enough plays to win. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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December 20, 2015 at 11:41 pm

Lynn Dickey was the Barry Sanders of QBs.

An amazingly talented player surrounded by an insurmountable lack of talent elsewhere..

LASVEGAS-TOM

December 21, 2015 at 12:52 am

Since 61, Yeah, Lynn Dickey was a Great QB without a team, & a Bad pair of Wheels to boot. We've been very fortunate to have as many really good QB's in GB as we've had. I bet you're one of the few guy's here that remembers Don Horn. IMO this guy had Tremendous Potential as a QB. I think he was the 1st to break the 300 yard mark. Why they let him go, I don't remember. I think he was part of the John Brockington deal, or am I wrong? He must have got hurt. I believe he went to Denver, but didn't hear much of him after that. LVT

December 21, 2015 at 01:27 am

I come just after that n my fandom. My earliest memories are Brockington and the endless search for a good quarterback of the 70s. Hunter, Tagge, Del Gaizo, Hadl, Whitehurst, Wright.

The fans sure do have to appreciate what its been like with Favre and Rodgers and know its not always so easy to have a top signal caller on your team.

December 21, 2015 at 06:49 am

That's for sure it got worse before it turned around. Whitehurst, Wright were rock bottom. I recall Campbell as well.. Then we had too many Farve, Burnell etc. at once.

December 21, 2015 at 06:45 am

Don Horn. That brings back memories good and bad.

December 21, 2015 at 07:56 am

LVT - Yes, I remember Don Horn, #13. He started the last game of the '68 season against the Bears. He threw for 4 TDs and Nitschke made an interception late in the game to preserve the Packers 28-27 win. Unfortunately. that was Phil Bengston's 1st year as HC and the Packers did not make it to the postseason. Thanks, Since '61

lou

December 21, 2015 at 11:44 am

I believe Don Horn was part of the Alden Roche deal, the small but quick D-Lineman that was a solid player for the Packers. Horn was tall and had that quick release like Marino. I lived in San Diego for several years and was at the game when the Packers played the Chargers and the Packers behind Starr built a large lead. Towards the end of the 3rd quarter they put Horn in because it looked like they had the game in the bag and Horn was a local hero at San Diego State. It almost backfired, Horn threw a couple of picks and the Chargers scored quickly to the point the Packers put Starr back in the game.

December 21, 2015 at 06:39 pm

Lou - I remember that game also. I believe that it was a Monday night game because it was televised back in NY. Starr came back in late in the game to lead the Packers to a game winning FG in the last 2-3 minutes of the game. Thanks, Since '61

LASVEGAS-TOM

December 23, 2015 at 06:59 pm

Since 61, This is a belated post. I just spent the last 2 days, at Paris, (Got My Ass Kicked). We were talking a few days back about all the Good GB QB's we've had through the years including Lynn Dickey, & The Majik Man, who didn't have much in the way of teams around them.

I watched GB games from about 1956. As a kid, my Dad took me to County Stadium to see Tobin Rote play. When you look at what he did without a team, not just with GB, but with Detroit & beyond. He deserves to be mentioned with all the great GB QB's, including Starr, Dickey, I'm putting Majik in here, Favre, & Rodgers.

You talk about a QB carrying a team? He was the whole team and holds somes amazing stats for all time QB's.

I'm sorry this post has nothing to do with anything current. I just didn't have the time to respond the other day, & without question, Tobin Rote deserves to be mentioned. I'm glad I got a chance to see him play. LVT

December 20, 2015 at 09:37 pm

It was raining, the field was sloppy. We found out that we made the playoffs around the time of the opening kick, while the Raiders were fighting for playoff life and they were AT HOME. The score could have been much higher for the Packers if they could have converted a few "should have been made" plays. I'm proud of this team and their 30-20 win in Oakland. I do think the offense will get better, as a whole, in the next few weeks. It'll be interesting, that's for sure. GPG!

A S#ITTY field can just destroy players' cuts and quickly lead to tentativeness. It seemed pretty evident to me the playing surface and conditions played a huge role in the overall play of the game.

December 20, 2015 at 09:46 pm

They've been shitting themselves and going into "lulls" for 2 quarters per week for a decade now.

December 20, 2015 at 10:48 pm

Sorry to hear that you missed the 2010 Super Bowl victory or the 15-1 season. I could go on but I'll leave you to wallow in your myopic world of misery, embarrassment and shame.

December 20, 2015 at 11:17 pm

Second best win percentage in the NFL over the last decade, and this guy is embarrassed and ashamed of his team.

I don't understand it either.

Nerd, you're going to have a tough go of it in life if you measure your own successes and failures on the same scale as you measure the Packers.

Perspective, you might need some,

December 20, 2015 at 07:08 pm

I don't know, Lacy looked hesitant in making his cuts all day. There weren't many holes opened up all day, but Starks seemed to do a bit better. Speaking of Starks, he officially has a fumbling problem.

Jake Ryan.......oof. ILB is very high on my wishlist for next year. Also, I hate to say this, but I'm not entirely sure that CM3 is a great pass rusher. I say just leave him at ILB and use his motor and range there.

JerseyAl

December 20, 2015 at 07:22 pm

I thought Lacy was definitely not running like he did last week. Lacy was tiptoeing. Ran out of bounds a few times just short of the 1st down marker when he could have kept going and gotten a first down. I will say the holes weren't there like they were last week either. In that case however, I like Starks better as he adjusts to what's in front of him better and finds some space to run in better than Lacy IMO.

MarkinMadison

December 20, 2015 at 07:37 pm

Spot on.

December 20, 2015 at 07:50 pm

Agree, Jersey Al. Starks slashing style worked better, but the fumbles make using him problematic. Not thrilled that Cobb has to be a main RB and best WR at the same time. Not blaming MM for using him there for a time, but the fumbling has to stop. I am not sure what is up with Lacy - he ran hard last week but not so much today.

December 21, 2015 at 06:26 am

Don't you think MM is just looking for a way to get the ball in Cobbs hands since it doesn't seem like he can beat anyone on a one on one. The only way the Packers moved the Ball yesterday was PI penalties it seemed. If the WR was open Rodgers was to buy running or ducking it seemed. Just SOOOO frustrating!

SpudRapids

December 21, 2015 at 11:44 am

I get that the PI calls helped the Packers move the ball but one could make the argument that if the PI didn't occur the receivers would be completing the receptions. Most of the PI plays are when a guy got beat and he tried to prevent the big play.

December 20, 2015 at 10:07 pm

If Lacy doesn't hit the hole hard and straightforward, you're right, he starts tiptoeing and he's done! As soon as he goes sideways, play over. If he's not in Power Mode full speed ahead, he gets tripped up too easily. This is his weakness. MM needs to call plays which are 'quick hitters' and give him the burst forward he needs, especially on the goal line, where he can use his power. He is not a 'dancer'. If I were his coach, I'd have him study film of John Brockington and how he'd lift those knees and churn his feet and just bowl over people. But I'm not the coach! Damn.

December 20, 2015 at 08:37 pm

Scooby wright

TKWorldWide

December 20, 2015 at 09:25 pm

I've got my popcorn ready after that one.

zeke

December 21, 2015 at 01:57 am

Ignorant, racist troll is ignorant, racist.

jmac34

December 21, 2015 at 10:34 am

So you wouldn't want Luke Kuechly because he is white? You're stupid and racist.

December 21, 2015 at 01:41 am

I dunno, I.F. I still think the opposite. I'm NOT saying that CM3 has ever been a truly extraordinary pass rusher, but he's very good. I've always maintained that by far the best place for him is on the outside, and I've only grudgingly agree to his move to the middle because the Packers had absolutely nothing else inside. As I see it, I still say that the Packers need to acquire at least two serviceable ILBs, one because Ryan is most certainly not a sure things, and two, because Ryan is still the best they have other than CM3. But ideally, they get two ILBs and Matthews goes back outside, especially when we remember that Peppers is near the end, and we've always had a collection of JAGs on the "other side" anyway. Even if CM3 is "only very good" ILBs aren't as priceless or as difficult to find as OLBs.

And besides, can we honestly say that CM3 has been very good for the past five games or so? He was almost invisible against the Raiders. Personally, I think the move inside caught a few teams off guard, but now that opposing offenses have gotten used to the idea, Matthews has been more or less marginalized on the inside.

Agree about Lacy. He needs to run crazy and he needs to run straight ahead. Otherwise he's just a big, slow target.

December 21, 2015 at 07:22 am

Yeah, I'm sympathetic to that argument about clay. I actually think he's been really good at ilb all year, it's just not as flashy of a position so we don't notice him as much. I think his best attributes are his relentless motor and speed, which i like at ilb. However, I could see him being back at OLB next year since there's at least a decent chance that peppers, Neal, and Perry are all gone.

cpabandit

December 20, 2015 at 07:13 pm

I've said this in previous weeks and unfortunately I have to say it again: Aaron Rodgers continues to make the opposing QB look better than him and better than they really are. And as a side note, can JJ stop with the offensive pass interferences?

December 20, 2015 at 07:56 pm

Yeah. I too was disappointed by Aaron's pick six today.

December 20, 2015 at 10:09 pm

I don't understand those 3rd and short pass plays to Cobb behind the line of scrimmage, where the time it takes the ball to get to Cobb is just the same amount of time it takes for the defense to get to Cobb! Can anyone explain this?

December 20, 2015 at 07:19 pm

They won. That's what is important. But when it comes down to it, if this team can't get Lacy going, they are going nowhere in the playoffs. (meaning after they beat Minny in round 1)

Cobb is the only pass catcher on this team that doesn't straight up suck right now. Maybe Abby. Maybe.

Teams are playing 1 high safety and press man all game. Loading the box. Daring our WRs to beat them. They can't do it and MM/AR have not been able to adjust the route concepts to give them a better chance.

I knew Jordy was important. But this is a pop-gun offense without him.

Randall is going to make mistakes as a rookie corner. But the future is bright in the secondary. We absolutely NEED an ILB and OLB early in the draft. Maybe a TE who can bust the seam or a fast outside WR that can run routes and actually catch.

This is a good team. Not a great team.

December 20, 2015 at 07:21 pm

Yep. Fortunately they play in a league that is short on great teams, so anything can happen!

December 20, 2015 at 07:51 pm

Exxxxactly. In a one-and-done playoff anything can and does happen. The best team throughout the course of the year doesn't always win. As a matter of fact, I'd bet they best team wins it all less than 80% of the time.

December 20, 2015 at 10:12 pm

At this point, the way things are looking, that's our best hope.... That the best team 'Doesn't win! We might have a chance!

December 20, 2015 at 07:55 pm

True dat, Idiot Fan. In this league, we have a chance. GB is going to have to give Abby 70 snaps, hope Monty returns and can be the dual threat at RB transitioning sometimes to a WR, and I suppose using a mixture of JJ, Adams, and Janis for specific roles: Janis to take the top off at times, JJ near the red zone, and Adams - well I have no real role for him but he has talent - just try to get the guy in the open field once a game to see what YAC he can get.

December 20, 2015 at 10:06 pm

I just don't feel like we're gonna see the Panthers go the whole way, they have the 27th strongest schedule. Sooner or later their bad WR core is gonna trip them up.

December 20, 2015 at 11:07 pm

The irony for me, I'm a beleiver that when teams went to man on Rogers his game went to downhill, Those zone coverage teams he ate them for breakfast. He was all universe against that type of D.

When Oakland had that one play which was a zone, he had two guys so open it was nuts and of course he hit one of them for the TD.

Thus, his game has gone down as defenses have been able to cover our guys one on one. Lack of seperation has made his job a lot harder this year.

EdsLaces

December 20, 2015 at 07:19 pm

We just won baby...

December 20, 2015 at 07:19 pm

Congratulations to the Packers and to all my fellow Packer fans on reaching the playoffs for the 7th consecutive season. On to the division title. Sloppy but good road win. OL was solid and Mack only made one play. The officiating was terrible. Defense played great in the 4th quarter.
Need to work on red zone offense. We should have had 2 more TDs in the 4th quarter.
Not sure why we called for a pass just before the 2 minute warning. Run the ball and the clock and get out of there. A win is a win an we're in the playoffs so no complaints. On to AZ. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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December 21, 2015 at 06:43 am

Exactly right.
Making it to the playoffs for the 7th consecutive season is not a small thing. How many teams can say that? 2 teams. Packers & Patriots.

Mack basically was non existent after he just had 5 sacks in a game.

Officiating was horrible. I maybe in the minority, but I did not see any offensive pass interference on Jones' TD. I didn't think his first pass interference penalty was one, and definitely not that TD.

I didn't mind the pass there, Just horrible decision by Rodgers. Can't make that throw. And if he is going to throw that that is the one spot he can't throw it. Needed to throw it deep in the end zone.

efox2011

December 20, 2015 at 07:20 pm

This is easily my least-favorite packer team of my lifetime. (Admittedly, I was a real little kid when Favre got to GB, so I wasn't around for the years of football purgatory).

December 20, 2015 at 07:25 pm

I think my least favorite since the Wolf/Favre/Reggie era began was 2005. We had no offense that year, and Favre's solution was to try to throw it deep every time. I was happy when they fell incomplete rather than an INT.

December 20, 2015 at 07:28 pm

Wow. Think of how spoiled that makes you as a fan. Your worst team you can ever remember is a ten win playoff team. Amazing, I don't think anything else can show the consistency and success of this franchise better than that.

December 20, 2015 at 08:04 pm

The spoiled fan comments often really annoy me. I missed the 60s but lived through the purgatory of the 70s and 80s, and watched probably all the games save a handful when something important came up. We have had 2 HOF QBs. I am satisfied with getting to NFC championship games, even if we lose. But the one and dones are not acceptable to me. With AR in place, I suspect that Mel Kiper could churn out 9-7, maybe 10-6, teams with good coaches. I think TT and MM are better than that. If that makes me spoiled, so be it.

December 20, 2015 at 08:14 pm

Totally agree. Win next week and we stand a good chance for the bye. That we are even in this situation means we have a good team.

December 20, 2015 at 10:51 pm

Excellent Chugwater! I like your thinking. Positive attitude. Thanks, Since '61

efox2011

December 21, 2015 at 11:15 am

I didn't say worst, I said my least favorite. And I wouldn't argue about being fortunate in the years I've experienced with the Packers ( 4? losing seasons out of 27). The whole 'spolied' thing is stupid. These are the years that this team needs to be competing for championships, because we are highly unlikely to be so lucky in the QB department once Rodgers retires. These are competitive sports, too, the whole 'just happy to be there' attitude doesn't really fit. We are now 24 years in to having Favre or Rodgers as the starting QB, and great as it is to have won 2 super bowls over that span, with that level of QB play, it could be called slightly underwhelming.

December 20, 2015 at 07:57 pm

The 2005 and the 1999 teams were the most disappointing to me. The 2008 team was next. This is 4th in line so far of "most disappointing Packer teams since 1992" - but the story is yet to be finished.

December 20, 2015 at 07:58 pm

That Ray Rhodes team was so much better.

December 20, 2015 at 08:31 pm

Ever since Wolf, Holmgrem, and Favre began leading us back from the wilderness every team has been a favorite for me (2005 was tough). My children (oldest 24) have never known the Packers as anything other than a winning team and a first class organization. Green Bay is an international franchise, possibly the most beloved of all professional teams.

As fans we are truly blessed.

Flow49

December 20, 2015 at 09:46 pm

You obviously didn't watch the Ray Rhodes coached packers....

December 20, 2015 at 10:14 pm

I started being a fan just as the Lombardi era came to an end. During the 70's and 80's the best we could hope for was a 'moral victory'!

Amanofthenorth

December 21, 2015 at 05:16 am

Maybe a highlight on MNF after a rare victory.
Saw a stat that in the last 20 years the packers have 14 ten plus win seasons. From 1973 to 1989 they had zero.

jh9

December 20, 2015 at 07:29 pm

I keep waiting for the offense to finally get in gear, and I'm disappointed again.
Lacy did not run with the same determination he had last week. You could see that on his very first run.
Way too many passes that should have been caught, weren't. These guys get paid millions of dollars to CATCH A DAMN FOOTBALL. No excuses!!!
The defense held the opponent to 20 points--they did their job.
However, if we play Arizona like we played today we'll lose.
MM, it's up to you to find a way to get this offense to pull its head out of its ass!

December 20, 2015 at 09:41 pm

A lot of dropped passes (Janis, Adams) but I will say JJ made a hell of an outstretched catch on the sideline.

December 20, 2015 at 07:26 pm

This one was ugly for the offense most of the day. The Packers played on offense like they knew their situation (already in the playoffs and even if they lose both upcoming road games the home game against the Vikings is for the division).

They Packers did just win a road game to go to 10 wins for the season and are in the playoffs so don't try to make this sound like a funeral. The defense was solid and made the plays to give the team the lead and they kept it. Playing on the road without their top cover corner, they gave up only 20 points, got a pick six and another pick taken inside the 5. The problems of the O have overshadowed how much progress this D has made.

After 14 games people have to stop waiting for this offense to look like the 2014 team. The line is banged up, the backs are plodding and the receiver deficiencies have been well chronicled. The playoffs will be tough - but last year they had the highest scoring offense in the league and the playoffs were still tough anyway.

December 20, 2015 at 08:18 pm

Well said. I thought they came out flat. If Bulaga, Bakh, and the guards can return to full health in time for the playoffs, this team will look different. Also I think Abby can provide a spark both from the slot but I would play him outside.

Totally agree that the D has taken a step. Needs some playmakers to make some plays, but I think Peppers, CM3 and Daniels are capable, and also think we fared pretty well with two rookie CBs starting. One of the INTs was a gift, but Randall caught it, so I give some credit, maybe minor, but some credit to Randall. I did not see Ryan stinking up the joint, though I saw some issues on occasion, but since Aaron was so negative I will watch the game again when (if) I get a chance. I thought I saw CM3 provide some pressures on occasions, but guess I will watch the LBs since Aaron was kinda negative there too.

December 20, 2015 at 07:38 pm

My head hurts from watching the game. But a win is a win. Drives me crazy that when we get a turnover, and or great field position, we rarely capitalize on it. Starks fumbles at end of first half and Raiders breeze downfield for touchdown. Also drives me crazy when we are in the redzone and we waste downs passing to Adams and other dumb plays. Thank God the D won this game and played very well for most of game and when it counted. Much like the Lions game it was a tale of two halves.

December 20, 2015 at 09:46 pm

After the two picks early in the game, the first half was brutal. As much as I enjoy Packer games it seemed to go on forever. Then MM calls a timeout in the final minutes.

Speaking of TO's, is it mandatory GB wastes at least two a game trying to set up a play. That's so going to bite them in the playoffs.

December 20, 2015 at 10:19 pm

Yes what's with the TOs. This game was especially bizarre.

GVPacker

December 20, 2015 at 07:37 pm

Ugly Win but it's a Win and it's on the Road I'll take it, Thank You Sir May I Have Another!

joepacker

December 20, 2015 at 07:40 pm

Won a spot in the playoffs!!! Awesome, cause thats where we shine!

Kidding.

And, i am not a troll. I've been a fan since before we beat this team in SB2. Just tired of seeing all this talent not able to show up when it matters.

Yes, we got a win. And a seat at the table. But do we look like a team heading long into the playoffs?

December 20, 2015 at 10:55 pm

In week 12 of the 2010 season, the Packers were literally a long shot to even make the playoffs.

We all know how that turned out.

All I'm saying is, you gotta let the season play out. Crazy stuff happens.

December 20, 2015 at 11:27 pm

These boards were full of people saying bye to the season and see you next year after the New England loss. And then they won 6 straight.

December 20, 2015 at 11:35 pm

Also, keep in mind that the Packers did NOT control their own destiny that season at that point- they were in circumstance where they needed certain teams to lose and others to win to even keep their play off hopes alive, and the improbable occurred in conjunction with their streak.

People really need to just sit back and let the season happen.

December 21, 2015 at 07:29 am

That crazy Deshawn Jackson punt return to beat the Giants as time expired was needed to put us into the playoffs. Unreal.

MarkinMadison

December 20, 2015 at 07:41 pm

The last five minutes was just a metaphor for the whole game. It was a slow painful death for the Raiders. Except for that drive where the Packers got pass-happy, and got a couple of good receptions. That was the Packers offense. Not sure where it was the rest of the game.

December 20, 2015 at 07:53 pm

- Good enough for a W against a team that really wanted this one.
- Not good enough to play against playoff teams yet.
- Amazing we can play this poorly and still win games. (See: like all our wins)
- Still hopeful, but they're running out of season to prove something.
- It's still possible to get hot. Maybe a game that's not in the rain will help.
- This team started flailing in January 2015. Maybe January 2016 will be a different tale.

December 20, 2015 at 09:47 pm

Not sure what you think they need to prove.

Packers won On The Road, by 10 pts, against a team on the rise w/ plenty of talent, w 3 rookies playing prominent roles.

Are the Packers a juggernaut offense of seasons past? No... But they are a 10 Win team and w/ 2 games remaining they have locked up a play berth, have a very good chance to win the division (again), and are finding a way to Win, even when they haven't had their "A" game.

And hear I always thought the mark of a quality team is to Win when you're not at your best!

Winning on the road is never easy in the NFL, somehow the Packers are winning by 10 pts on the road when not playing their best!

Care about Winning and celebrate it! F style points!

December 20, 2015 at 10:22 pm

Dan,
Come on. If you've ever read any comment from me, I'm one of the most optimistic people on these threads. I am in no way dissatisfied with any of our wins. Or our record. Or this regime's accomplishments. Winning in the NFL is hard. And if we have a new identity because of our D.......I'm all for it. My comments are meant to voice frustration, same as Nagler.

I am proud of this team. Damn proud. They have grit. And they seem to be under the radar a bit. And that's probably a good thing for once. But alot of people are nervous because they haven't put too many consistent games together. And we're crazy injured. The playoffs are going to be a gauntlet. I want to see a display that tells me they can beat AZ, Sea, Carolina.

And if they have to go in and wing it....I'll take it. Cuz....NFL. But I think we're all sharing an uneasy feeling even though we hope for the best. I don't believe we have to win next week to prove anything. But I would like to see them compete with the big boys. This offense needs some confidence.

December 20, 2015 at 08:01 pm

Great day to be a Packers fan! Seven straight playoff appearances and a nice road win. The game at Arizona is now irrelevant to winning the division.

Sloppy, but entertaining, game. Some big plays and big hits, including our old friend Chuck.

December 20, 2015 at 08:09 pm

Dam straight.

December 20, 2015 at 08:52 pm

Another bad weather game. 10-4, you'd think they were 4-10 after reading most of the posts. Quit whining, the D made plays and the Pack put up 16 in the 2nd half, should have been a lot more. The Raiders had everything to play for. Hope Shields gets back next game. These receivers can't catch on a dry day. The glass is half full people. I'll lose faith when this team is the lolions, rams, bears, browns, jags, or any other bottom feeder.

December 20, 2015 at 08:43 pm

Thank youuuuu.

December 20, 2015 at 10:45 pm

The weather was really bad, again. 2 bad weather games in a row on sloppy field can only help this team in the playoffs.

The game wasn't perfect. But not every game is going to be. I would rather the team have to fight to win games then to blow everyone out.

The thing I really like about this team is it finds ways to put points on the board in the 4th quarter and it finds ways to stop teams from scoring in the 4th. It's something that will give this team a shot in every game.

December 20, 2015 at 10:53 pm

Now that is the silver lining we need to remember.

December 20, 2015 at 10:55 pm

Right on RC.

Lphill

December 20, 2015 at 08:14 pm

10 point win on the road in bad field conditions , 10 and 4 , in the Playoffs , MERRY CHRISTMAS to all Packer fans!

December 20, 2015 at 08:43 pm

MERRY CHRISTMAS.

December 20, 2015 at 08:33 pm

Larry Fitzgerald 2 drops on 99 catches. Davante Adams 200 drops on 20 catches. How does he do it folks?

December 20, 2015 at 08:39 pm

Ok. You are officially a troll.

Cory can we please block commenters that regularly pull this garbage?

December 20, 2015 at 08:51 pm

We all know Adams sucks right now.

Packer_Pete

December 20, 2015 at 08:58 pm

Adams sucks not just right now. Abby and Janis should play no matter what. Adams is just not a NFL WR

Mags

December 21, 2015 at 09:36 am

Truth hurts a little I guess. But Adams does suck.

keeley2

December 20, 2015 at 08:38 pm

A win is a win. Fix the 3rd and short and all of a sudden you're dangerous.

December 21, 2015 at 09:03 am

I don't understand some of you that complain SOOOO much after a WIN! There's no satisfying some of you - jeez!

Here's what I remember from today's game:

- Rodgers is still missing some easy throws
- Rodgers to Jones back-shoulder passes warmed my heart
- I'm almost done trying to root for Adams
- Lacy WAS NOT running hard, or as hard, as the previous week.
- I think Abby should be seeing more snaps
- That INT intended for Woodson - I mean Janis, was Rodgers' gift to Woodson. NO ONE can tell me different.
- On that long drive where the Offense got into a rhythm, where the hell was Lacy before that ugly-try-to-get-cute-play-action-pass attempt!?!?!?!?
- If Janis doesn't return a damn KO I'm going to jump off the hype train.
- This Defense can be better than 2010's.
- I think Peppers is going to really show up when the Playoffs start.
- I keep forgetting Randall is a converted CB. He needs to learn how to use his hands more.

Aside from Randall's mental hiccups, would this game have been a blow out win for the Packers???

December 20, 2015 at 08:50 pm

Bingo Drea. Usually it took 2 seasons for the Packers to get 10 wins. I'm one of the old guys who lived through the 70's and 80's. I got spoiled early when they won the 1st 2 SB's. Then 20 plus years of shit.

December 20, 2015 at 09:53 pm

It gives you an APPRECIATION of what you do have! An (at least) 10 Win playoff team! Time to go bye bye again troll!

December 20, 2015 at 11:14 pm

And the only people more annoying than those people are the ones who agree to leave the website if they lose a bet, lose said bet, and then say "screw this, I'm coming back anyway...."

December 20, 2015 at 09:22 pm

4th, imagine if you had cow and the likes trolling you back then.

Good stuff drealyn

barutanseijin

December 20, 2015 at 09:53 pm

In the '80s we had Bear fans to annoy us.

There will always be something.

Icebowler

December 21, 2015 at 02:22 am

I'll call you on the 70's and 80's and raise you the 50's. I grew up watching and listening to my dad cussing out the TV every Sunday before Vince showed up. It made all of our later successes so much more enjoyable for me.

December 21, 2015 at 04:31 am

Damn, Icebowler, most of us can't compete if you can reference the 50s. Excluding Lombardi's first year in 1959 (so 1950 to '58), GB went 32-74, with 2 ties, for a 29.6% winning percentage. Brutal.

December 21, 2015 at 08:03 am

Hi Icebowler - Nice to know that someone on this blog has been around longer than I have. Can't beat the 50s but then again I don't think I missed much. Thanks, Since '61

December 20, 2015 at 09:37 pm

Most of the folks posting here could claim (rightfully so I believe) to be sophisticated fans. We've trained ourselves, the best we can, to spot mistakes. Essentially, we view the games much more as coaches do rather than regular fans.

While there is nothing wrong with viewing the games in this manner, it does tend to detract from the sheer joy of winning. I've seen Packers fans with much less knowledge of the team or game have much more enjoyment over a win than I have. Sometimes I envy them.

December 20, 2015 at 10:23 pm

I really really really enjoyed the hail Mary lolion game. I work with almost all lolion fans. I'll enjoy it until next season.

Icebowler

December 21, 2015 at 02:31 am

As far as I can tell, lolions fans haven't discovered the Internet yet:)

December 20, 2015 at 10:39 pm

I think most posters are happy with the win. Except a few that are impossible to please no matter what. I kind of feel that Nagler set the tone early by listing a lot of his frustrating observations about the game. And so everyone is dissecting reasons and areas the team could be better. I've noticed that this version of the Packers likes a good struggle this year. Doesn't make me any less excited for the season. Any win we've had has been amazing. But talking about the game lends a different mentality. We're all just a bunch of armchair GMs and HCs. If this team was perfect, this board wouldn't exist. Go pack go.

December 20, 2015 at 10:49 pm

Thanks Bohj. 5-2 on the road ain't bad. The Raiders needed this game a hell of a lot more than the Packers did.

Packer_Pete

December 20, 2015 at 08:58 pm

This team is 10-4. What do you people actually want? Good win on the road against a team fighting for a playoff spot. You are what your record says you are. Good enough for me. Only one gripe: Joe Whitt. I have been a Packers fan for a long time. Best talent i've ever seen at DB. But you can't play bump and run without the bump. Joe Whitt is hindering the development of what I think could be the best D backfield in the league. Other than that a win is a win baby. And by 10 pts, with a bs call by refs to take a td away from Jones. I thought contact is OK within 5 yrds of the LOS. Well if 1st is on the 5 then there can't be any offensive PI.

December 21, 2015 at 01:20 am

I disagree on Whitt. I think he is a good CB coach. I do like to see some bump, but I am not sure that our current guys fit that approach.

I disagree with your understanding of the OPI. Here are the rules:

Summary From The Official NFL Rule Book - Rule 8, Section 5
"It is pass interference by either team when any act by a player more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders an eligible player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Pass interference can only occur when a forward pass is thrown from behind the line of scrimmage, regardless of whether the pass is legal or illegal, or whether it crosses the line.

"Defensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is thrown until the ball is touched.
"Offensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until the ball is touched."
incidental, the ruling should be no interference.

Article 2. Prohibited Acts by both teams while the ball is in the air
Acts that are pass interference include, but are not limited to:
g) Initiating contact with an opponent by shoving or pushing off, thus creating a separation in an attempt to catch a pass.

Eligible Receivers
Article 1. Legal Contact Within Five Yards

Within the area five yards beyond the line of scrimmage, a defensive player may chuck an eligible receiver in front of him. The defender is allowed to maintain continuous and unbroken contact within the five-yard zone, so long as the receiver has not moved beyond a point that is even with the defender.

Article 2. Illegal Contact Within Five Yards

Within the five-yard zone, if the player who receives the snap remains in the pocket with the ball, a defender may not make original contact in the back of a receiver, nor may he maintain contact after the receiver has moved beyond a point that is even with the defender.

Offensive Pass Interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until is touched. After 1 yard, a WR may not initiate contact with a defender. The 5 yard chuck rule pertains to things that a defender can do to an eligible receiver before the pass is in the air: note that the 5 yard rule is silent as to what a WR can do to the defender. The rule is for the benefit of the defense, not the offense. Refs allow some contact, and this was not an egregious case of OPI (50/50 case imo), but since JJ got called for OPI previously he wasn't likely to get the benefit of the doubt on the TD catch.

December 21, 2015 at 09:13 am

I agree with the lack of bump n run. That for sure would have cancelled out one of the Raider's TDs. Randall doesn't have the speed (like a Shields) to recover when beat off the line.

He doesn't need to jam him, but he has to disrupt a WR just a little. I don't think Cooper wasted ANY steps after the snap. Just a totally free run.

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December 20, 2015 at 09:01 pm

Aaron hit it right on the head, this team is hard to watch. That was a defense ranked in the mid 20's or so in most defensive catagory yet the Packers offense, the one we had so much hope for after last week struggled once again.

News Flash.... After 14 Games and a Bye Week if they still play like poop, look like poop, smell like poop, they probaly are POOP!!!

Lot's on blame to go around but I'm out of excuses and can no longer "Spin It" in a positive way. Adams is a com-plete and absolute bust! I keep watching allen Robinson tearing it up and all I can think is WHAT WERE YOU THINKING TED T!!

The Packers have to overhaul that WR Corps, with exception of Cobb and Nelson. If Abby and Monty can catch on great, but Adams is a joke and they KEEP putting him out there!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!! He Can't CATCH the ball!!

Lastly I saw Rodgers mouthing the F word, maybe the MF'ing word on the sidelines. All I can say is you better check your play before you call out ANYONE. A few less commercials and IG Pics with your stupid Starwars Robe with your Girlfiend would be a awesome start!!

December 20, 2015 at 10:44 pm

I hope you are wrong about this year, but fear you are right. See no reason to think they will become something they no longer are. But I still have hope because you never know. Glad we won but we won in large part because of the benefit of mistakes by Oakland (PIs) that the other playoff teams likely will not make. At least the D took advantage and stepped up to seal the win

December 21, 2015 at 06:56 am

Well lets hope it's 2010 all over and they win the last 2 and get hot in the Playoffs. Hey, maybe Adams can ask Odel Beckham where he gets his gloves! : )

December 21, 2015 at 11:19 am

His boxing gloves?

barutanseijin

December 20, 2015 at 09:58 pm

I think Adam is lacking in NFL level athleticism. He can't cut as sharply, run as fast as the other guys. Bad hands, too.

December 20, 2015 at 10:53 pm

@barutanseijin

I think he does have NFL level athleticism. He showed it his rookie year. I have no idea what his problem is this season. Maybe he's still hurt? I don't know. As far as his hands -- no excuses. He's dropped way too many watchable passes.

December 20, 2015 at 10:53 pm

Throw R Rogers in that mix too. He seriously lacks separation speed, route running ability and has poor hands. What a prize.

December 21, 2015 at 09:07 am

Those poor hands have pulled in 7 TDs I believe?

December 20, 2015 at 10:06 pm

How do you know he wasn't cursing himself?! Chances are if he wasn't doing it in someone's face, he WAS cursing himself!

December 20, 2015 at 10:05 pm

I do get a sense of a renewed frustration with MM's play calling from Arod brewing too. Wondering how much internal dissension will be revealed when this season is over. Not just on O, but with that D flare-up earlier this year.

December 20, 2015 at 10:07 pm

None! You're grasping at straws.

December 20, 2015 at 11:22 pm

How dare you call me a straw grasper!

December 21, 2015 at 06:44 am

I do too Mojo. Besides his comments tis past week, how many times did Rodgers turn around and glare at the bench yesterday. Maybe a few times it was out of frustration after Adams and Janis let sure TD's slip right through their hands but I sense not all might be well. In McCarthy's defense Rodgers hasn't been Rodgers all season save for a few games here and there. In Rodgers defense they run the SAME formations they've ran for the last 5 years.

December 20, 2015 at 09:26 pm

This season can end right now of you stop watching and get your troll ass out of here. Another brilliant comment cow. You make so much sense.

TKWorldWide

December 20, 2015 at 09:43 pm

I'd suggest you go do something more productive NOW.

Clay the 1st

December 20, 2015 at 09:44 pm

And you will go on despite promising to leave forever.

December 20, 2015 at 09:57 pm

Seriously, if this painful and you're certain the team won't do anything, why watch?

December 20, 2015 at 10:35 pm

Mojo, he loves this. He welched on the bet to stay away, but guys like this just can't stay away. Everyone knows he's self loathing and full of shit. So if responding to his total crap keeps him from jumping off a bridge, i'm happy to help.
MERRY CHRISTMAS COW............YOU SUCK.

December 20, 2015 at 10:52 pm

Seriously COW. I know you're contrarian to a fault. But you were so sure they would go 8-8. You were so sure they would lose the last three games. You thought making the playoffs was laughable. This team isn't perfect, but they sure as hell are proving you wrong. The more they win, the sillier your comments become. Maybe that's your thing. Maybe you are void of all hope because then they will never let.you down. And then if they win, you can be surprised. I wonder if you'll ever revel in a win. Strange to think about the only win you could have actually enjoyed was the one that got you banned here. That's just wrong.

December 20, 2015 at 10:57 pm

Stop I'm laughing too hard. What the hell was that goal line offense of play caller mike???
Lacy out of the backfield? I mean no one is going to cover his fat ass. He is so slow they left him alone. Does he really think he can run wide? Ya and lets not try Starks up the middle either. Lucky they got those cheap 14 points.

December 21, 2015 at 09:10 am

Still waiting for that report on your weight. I believe I guessed 5'9" 1/2, 285lbs, with a one inch penis previously.

December 21, 2015 at 03:50 pm

Your way off on the penis. to big. Saw a picture of him on ....littledicks.com

Gforcetrivers

December 20, 2015 at 09:27 pm

This is the hardest Packer team to watch since the 70s. Most of the games we did win were flukey and the three of the four we lost were in the final seconds or minutes.
Its like we are just off one way or the other. I do not think we deserve the record we have. Actual good teams are going to eat us alive. Watching the Cards play right now and thinking....they are going to slice and dice us!

December 20, 2015 at 10:43 pm

I believe you. Three more games and they can go golfing. No way they beat Cardinals or Vikings and the first game in the playoffs is a disaster.
How can they still be making these stupid ass mistakes this late in the year.
Everybody said Lacy was back, were good. I said, hey it was Dallas, a four win team, he proved nothing. I think I won.

December 20, 2015 at 09:46 pm

this place is fucking twisted tonight.

December 20, 2015 at 10:03 pm

Best comment I've seen today! You Win!

December 20, 2015 at 10:55 pm

Conflicted for sure. I've seen just as many likes and dislikes on positive and negative comments. It's actually entertaining.

December 20, 2015 at 10:24 pm

Ok, Packers win and apparently that isn't good enough??? When did winning become worse then losing?

Was the game great? No. Did the team play great? No. did they lose? No.

Let's look at some positives. They beat a team by 10 which could have been more, on the road that came into the game with a lot of confidence, in really bad weather. They overcame adversity in this game as well. They did not play their best game and still found a way to win.

Can we sit here after the game and be happy they won and are in the playoffs for the 7th straight year? How many other teams can say that?

December 20, 2015 at 10:38 pm

Yes.

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December 20, 2015 at 10:40 pm

Please. The Oakland QB gave the pack a 14 point cushion early. Otherwise Oakland kicked the packers ass. Running, passing, run defense. goal line stand. The whole nine yards. Take those quick 14 point gimmes away and they outscored us big time and this is a non playoff team.

December 20, 2015 at 10:44 pm

So would you rather the defense just dropped those 2 picks?
you suck.

December 20, 2015 at 10:51 pm

I only saw the second pick, that would be the one where our dback was again playing off five yards waiting for the receiver to catch the ball then come up and try and throw a shoulder at there legs to knock them down not actually tackling. Had the ball not been wet it would have not sailed and our guy serious out of place would not have caught it.

December 21, 2015 at 06:53 am

So now you're able to predict the outcome of a plays if certain factors wouldn't have happened? You do understand you sound absolutely silly. What I don't get is why a person would come here, post the number of comments he does when he obviously hates the team? Get a life dude!

December 21, 2015 at 09:13 am

So you didn't see the entire game, however, you feel qualified to grace us with your idiot opinions. Next to cow, you're lowest scum here.

December 20, 2015 at 10:52 pm

Please what? Packers won. End of story. Don't like it go somewhere else!

December 20, 2015 at 10:57 pm

Wait...

They GAVE us 14???

Hahahahahaha!

Wait....

You want us to hypothetically take away points?

Hahahahahaha!

December 20, 2015 at 11:17 pm

The Hyde pick and return was earned. And even after a 15 yard weird celebration penalty the Pack took it to the house. Nothing fluky there.

December 21, 2015 at 03:53 pm

Red zone TD from the 17. They earned it. Funny don't see the trolls bashing Carr for throwing into coverage and throwing high to an open guy.

GoldenRetriever

December 20, 2015 at 10:26 pm

Can someone please answer my question? I missed Rodgers' interception at the end of the game, but I read AR's comments from the press conference afterward and he said he was trying to throw the ball to Woodson.
Is that true? Why? Is Woodson gunning for another record? Wasn't there still too much time remaining to intentionally throw an interception?

Thank you.

December 20, 2015 at 10:57 pm

Dude....Rodgers playfulness and sarcasm is hilarious with the media. Why do people take things so literally.

December 20, 2015 at 11:07 pm

What was not hilarious, unfortunately, is how extremely unnecessary it was to pass at all in that situation, much less attempt to force a TD throw... and how absolutely atrocious the throw was.

Let's face it, whomever decided to throw the ball in a obvious drain-the-clock series gets a negative grade- whether that's MM or AR checking out at the line- and Rodgers definitely gets a negative grade on the decision to throw that ball, as well as a negative on the throw itself, which was thrown horribly behind the WR, right into the two trailing defenders.

Ugly. ugly. ugly.

December 20, 2015 at 11:20 pm

MM was thinking, "those CHTV people always criticize me for running in these situations and not being creative. Time to give them what they want...."

December 20, 2015 at 11:31 pm

Lol, this makes me face palm because it is a fairly accurate portrayal of some fans that can be found here and everywhere else.

Lord forbid a guy grind out clock in a two score game with 3 minutes left. ugh.

December 21, 2015 at 03:57 pm

I find extremely difficult to believe MM called for a pass. For one thing he never wants to run up the score on anyone.

December 20, 2015 at 11:07 pm

Arod was joking.

December 20, 2015 at 10:36 pm

For me you nailed it. Hit on things I noticed like Mathews looked lost today. They have screwed with his position so much he doesn't know what to do.

Davante Adams is a bust. Too bad the coaches refuse to see it for themselves. Have to justify that dam high draft pick. In all fairness to him, he caught a lot of quick slant passes for short yardage in a spread offense. Analyst said the NFL would be a big challenge for him. They were correct.

Good thing Rollins was just standing there in the wrong place and got that pick six, otherwise he did nada. Dam tired of hearing 'he's new'. The receiver who ate him up all day was new too, played college ball last year and looks like a player.

This team is in trouble going forward. Three more games and the season is over and for naught. Way too many mistakes at this point.

December 20, 2015 at 10:47 pm

It wasn't Rollins.

December 21, 2015 at 08:43 am

Matthews made a lot of plays in the pass rush - re-watch the game and you will see. He was responsible for three sacks, although he didn't get credit for any. Clay funneled two to Peppers who was in the right place at the right time,

December 20, 2015 at 11:00 pm

It sure looked like Damarius Randall got shook up on a play somewhere in the late third quarter, slow to get up off the turf, and seemed a little dazed or hurt.

Watching him the rest of the game, he wasn't quite himself it seemed, but it was mostly whenever he was getting up off the turf he look really weak and uncomfortable.

I am concerned he injured his shoulder or arm in some way, but played through it.

Anyone else notice this?

December 20, 2015 at 11:10 pm

Yes, very slow getting off the turf, even after minor contact.

December 20, 2015 at 11:26 pm

I noticed one play where he was laying there and he waved off a hand to get up. I thought maybe he got the wind knocked out of him.

December 20, 2015 at 11:04 pm

Time for bed. 10-4, suck it trolls.
GOPACKGO!

December 20, 2015 at 11:19 pm

Thought on Janis's one long KO return he could have gone all the way if he cut it inside. A lot of speed, but no wiggle.

December 20, 2015 at 11:23 pm

Yeah, we were commenting on that tonight as well.. at least from the broadcast angle, it looked like had he cut it back inside he had one defender to beat with a lot of open space to attempt to beat him.

Hard to say what it looked like from the entire field view, and perhaps Janis was concerned about coughing up the ball with hard contact in the slick conditions and just decided to preserve the excellent field position he already had.

December 21, 2015 at 06:23 am

One thing I did notice is that when he has a crease and he hits it full speed, he is hard to bring down. It seems like when he has to slow down to make a cut he isn't going to go very far. You are correct he doesn't have a lot of wiggle.

Either way, that play I think was the turning point in the game. Raiders had some big momentum before that play.

December 21, 2015 at 09:16 am

He needs to take some knees. We have too many drives starting behind the 20.

December 20, 2015 at 11:27 pm

My early nomination for the "Ugly" list:

The ridiculous slaughtering of Jared Abbrederis' name throughout the broadcast..

You would have thought a producer would have been in someones ear like, "pssst, dude, it's AB-ra-DARE-us, not 'Ah-BRAY-Dis' "

December 20, 2015 at 11:47 pm

Also, I heard it was his rookie year from the broadcast team.

December 20, 2015 at 11:49 pm

Great pic for the "Gut Reactions" article, Aaron!

December 21, 2015 at 01:12 am

What... you mean none of the whiners are going to piss and moan that McCarthy called "The Play That Shall Never Be Called" - the John Kuhn fullback dive - and ran it in for a touchdown?

December 21, 2015 at 01:32 am

It was not a dive play.

https://twitter.com/packers/status/678689281196429313/photo/1

December 21, 2015 at 01:56 am

So what would you have called it?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/glossary_general
http://www.footballbabble.com/football/offense/plays/
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/running-plays-in-football.html

December 21, 2015 at 04:11 am

After checking, I should not have contradicted you. I would have called it a a counter, as there is a fake to the HB, and two Raiders do take false steps (can't catch their numbers but they are lined up opposite Bulaga and outside of him). Anyway, that is what I thought it was.

However, technically AR handed the ball to Kuhn first and then faked a toss to the HB. I checked several websites for definitions. Quoting (Counter play): "An intentional misdirection run on the part of the offense. The quarterback fakes a lateral toss to one back who’s heading right, running parallel to the line of scrimmage. The quarterback then turns and hands off to the remaining runner in the backfield, generally a fullback, who runs toward the middle of the line, hoping to find an opening between either guard and the center.

I also checked for the definition of a "dive play" I have to admit that this play qualifies as a dive or blast. Football outsiders defines a dive play as "A run up the middle where the offense is hoping for at least minimal yardage. Usually used when the offense needs 2 yards or less to gain a first down or touchdown." Quoting other sites: "The Dive Play is the most basic running play in football. The dive requires a running back to take the handoff and “dive” into the center of the line. A dive can take place between a center and guard or between a guard and a tackle." Quoting: "A fullback dive requires the fullback to become a battering ram, taking the direct path and bulling through the line. The dive is used for short yardage plays and goal line plays. It can be used anywhere on the field, though, trying to hit the defense with a quick run inside while it’s defenders are concentrating on other threats."

At any rate, my use of terminology is not so clear that I should have baldly contradicted you, Marpag1.

December 21, 2015 at 08:50 am

No worries, TGR. Just checking my own knowledge as much as anything...

sheppercheeser

December 21, 2015 at 05:49 am

If I hear MM say that "we have a few things to clean up" one more time, I'm gonna puke. Who does he work for? The Packers or Molly Maid? It's the 16th week- if you don't get it together soon, he'll have all off season to clean up anything he wants. One thing is for sure- we haven't peaked too soon!

TKWorldWide

December 21, 2015 at 07:43 am

I'm thinking that until GB plays a PERFECT game, MM will be saying that.

December 21, 2015 at 09:21 am

All coaches (at least the good ones) say that. MM isn't going to, and shouldn't, say anything else. What would you prefer him to say?

Doug_In_Sandpoint

December 21, 2015 at 06:03 am

We are having a bit of a problem with perspective here folks...

Had a great weekend. Skied excellent powder, got to watch a Packers victory at a bar with my son home from college, went Christmas carroling and then to a white elephant party with people I love. Didn't realize how depressed I should have been until I tried to catch up on some comments on my favorite site on this inter web thing.

I guess I'll have to rethink things. Instead of counting my blessings that my team is 10-4 and headed to the playoffs, I'll lament that our receivers can't get open and often drop the ball. Instead of celebrating that we're in the postseason for the 7th straight year with one of the winningest coaches in history, I'll focus on how much trouble we have on third and short and contemplate with great hindsight "could have been" moves the GM might have made a few years ago. Instead of understanding how tough it is to stay at the top with a chance at the prize year after year in a system designed to thwart that very thing, I'll meditate on why we're not as good as the Cardinals who we haven't even played yet.

In a few days I'll sit down to a great meal in a nice house with riches and freedom that most of the world cannot fathom. I'll be surrounded by my smokin' hot wife and loved ones to celebrate the birth of the savior of mankind. And I will bitch and moan that the gravy is touching the cranberry...

December 21, 2015 at 08:27 am

Great Post - Go Pack!!

December 21, 2015 at 04:02 pm

MERRY CHRISTMAS DOUG

December 21, 2015 at 06:35 am

I am not remotely religious, but this elicits a firm "AMEN" from me

Razer

December 21, 2015 at 08:18 am

Great perspective Doug in Sandpoint. If you look at what we have, our cup is more than half full. Lots to be thankful for.

I have no problem with people criticizing this team for winning 30-20 or for limping to a 10-4 record. Reality is that the Packers are not playing up to potential and are a sloppy team. It is disappointing to see so many mistakes and missed opportunities. It is no different than watching your kid do poorly at a task or repeatedly make the same mistake. Let's hope that the coin drops for this offense before Rodgers retires.

December 21, 2015 at 08:25 am

We are a frustrated fan base because we came into this season expecting really big things. Losing in the playoffs is not big. I don't see us competing against Carolina or Arizona. We will win one and then lose to one of those two. I know anything can happen, but something crazy would need to happen for us to win.

Barring 2010, we never out perform. We either under perform or right perform our expectations. Really the only surprise on 2010 was that we won on the road every week, We under performed the regular season. I felt that team along with the 2009 team had a real chance at beating anybody. The 2011 team fell apart after what happened to Philbins son (only way I can explain how bad they played). Last year we should have won it all as well and fell short on a complete fluke. Can we get a fluke to go our way? That is what it is going to take to beat either Arizona or Carolina or New England. So we need three flukes. I'll buy a lotto ticket too.