Gut Reactions: Packers fuck around and find out against Giants
Aaron gives his gut reactions to the Packers embarrassing loss in London.
By PackerAaron
- I think Aaron Rodgers just sailed another errant deep ball to the sidelines at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium
- Why this team refuses to run the ball with and the offense through Aaron Jones is beyond baffling.
- The Packers defense looks completely lost on the back end.
- That said, I thought they played pretty well up front.
- The eight minute touchdown drive in the second half by the Giants followed by a 26 second drive from the Packers, putting a tired defense right back on the field, was the big swing in this game,
- It's crazy that special teams is the one unit that looks well coached.
- Maybe this will serve as a wakeup call for LaFleur and Rodgers. But I doubt it.
- Not sure why this team seems to fall apart in the second half on a regular basis.
- Thanks to all the Packers fans show showed up in London this weekend, even if their favorite team didn't.
- Imagine if they lose to the Jets...
- Go Pack.
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Comments (300)
Lphill
October 09, 2022 at 11:40 am
Awful game plan on offense and Defense just disgusting.
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 11:51 am
game plan doesnt matter, especially on offense, because rodgers calls the plays when he wants. 3 bombs after an 8 minute drive to go three and out and put the D back on the field. i know most of us remember that colts game a few years ago, same shit, 3 plays, 3 bombs, 3 and out. but with that being said, enough of the fucking end arounds lafluer when running up the gut is getting you seven yards a pop.
KenEllis
October 09, 2022 at 03:03 pm
Lotta season left to compete for another NFC North Crown.
However, deep down, all Packer fans with a modicum of sense realize by now this team will, as they have for 11 straight seasons, be watching from home while other teams compete for a Lombardi trophy next February.
Time for those who keep peddling the ridiculous notion that this is a SB team to get to work, they've got a difficult task ahead of them.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 03:46 pm
Flyfishing is in high gear so Im going to reassess my Sunday schedule for the next few weeks . Planned on going this afternoon after the game, but I was just no longer in the mood after that!
NickPerry
October 09, 2022 at 07:45 pm
I know EXACTLY what you mean TB.... The game ended about 9:30 on the West Coast and I didn't feel like doing shit!
I will no longer be excited about this team, this staff, or any 3 game winning streak against crap teams.
Tundraboy
October 10, 2022 at 07:36 pm
It will get better one day NP,. Return to Glory right?
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 11:40 am
When Aaron Rodgers throws deep again and again into tight coverage with ongoing futility, are there other receivers open on shorter routes whom he's overlooking?
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 11:43 am
Remember the last play of the 49ers game when he tried to force it to Adams with Lazard wide open? I don't know what's up with Rodgers - same kind of decision there - he can't play hero ball all the time.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 11:54 am
PackyCheese, I'm wondering if it's more of the same thing from that infamous overlooking of Lazard in the playoff game. I don't know, and I'm wondering what other fans saw.
The thing is, there should be other receivers running patterns across the field underneath the deep receiver, and/or available for short passes as safety valves.
It seems elementary, but perhaps necessary, to point out that just because Rodgers calls for a deep pass, it doesn't mean he has to throw it deep if the guy is covered, especially if he's double covered.
So, is it coaches not scheming open secondary receivers? Does Rodges have trouble making progressions to other possibilities if his primary receiver is covered? Something else?
It seems critical to get to the bottom of such questions!
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 11:48 am
There was a third down incomplete pass where Rodgers attempted to force it to Cobb who had a DB on him, a safety over the top, and a third DB crossing underneath the route... While Doubs was on the right sideline with single coverage that he just shook on his in break.
Ball should have gone to Doubs, but as you know, Rodgers trusts Cobb.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 11:59 am
Cobb has really impressed me at his age with his ability to burst up the field: but, at the same, time, I don't know if it's good for Rodgers to focus on him as much as he did today.
I'm interested in what other fans think.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 12:24 pm
You know my opinion. Bench him! If you have 7 in the box there must be free receiver if your primiry target is doubled (or tripled). But his rookie darling again injured himself (hamstring), while Doubs, AJ &/or AJD, Deguara, Davis etc was at least open. He sees only Lazard (who played good) and Cobb. Only good play call came on TD catch for Lewis, but that was play copied from Hackett.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:28 pm
We don’t have an alternative. Watson’s not ready as a true receiver and his hammy has gone now. Doubs was double covered and Lazard is a good 2/3. We left Toure inactive. They don’t seem to get that one WR who is a threat with the ball after the catch is not enough. Cobb was good today, but it’s pretty laughable when he’s being used as a deep target. But who else, Rodgers? Doubs was double covered all day.
This is basic stuff. At this point a healthy Watson is a luxury. Doubs and Toure should be getting regular snaps running actual catching routes with both on the field with Lazard, Cobb or both regularly. Watson is a gadget. He was always likely to be with his background and absence all of camp, except seemingly in laFleurs eyes.
If Cobb gets banged up, if Jones or Lazard does, then the true extent of the bankruptcy if this LaFleur strategy will only become more glaringly obvious.
If Payton us out there, call him. If Rodgers won’t play nice with him then tell him it’s Love time. Just maybe, a coach that can coach a QB and get tactical advantages in games might turn this around. LaFleur can’t even get Barry to stay aggressive fir a week. He couldn’t get Pettine to either, despite near weekly statements.
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 03:15 pm
Barry’s soft zone is the same as Pettine’s
Same results……wide open receivers. Third string quarterbacks look like all pros against Barry’s zone defense. LaFleur is an idiot if he continues to allow Barry to keep this up.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 05:35 pm
LaFleur told Pettine he needed to prioritize avoiding big plays. Do you think it’s possible that’s what he tells Barry?
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 07:13 pm
Today in the press Rodgers has been asked about if "whether we dont have the right receivers for the deep passes?" His Answer was"That's a good point" will have to analyze. If at all him and lafluer look at the options it's clear other than Watson who is missing time because of injuries, we dont have a right receiver for deep passes.
If they are not changing the personnel atleast they should stop taking deep shots.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34762226/aaron-rodgers-not-happy-tal...
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 07:31 pm
"They don’t seem to get that one WR who is a threat with the ball after the catch is not enough. Cobb was good today, but it’s pretty laughable when he’s being used as a deep target. But who else, Rodgers? Doubs was double covered"
This drives me absolutely nuts. We don't fully utilize the weapons we have so now today ARods's number one, but why not have Toure on active as well to spread it around. And as good as Cobb is, forcing it to him when there is height/leap disadvantage is just pointless. It works when he's your slot guy your third down guy but not as your primary threat. Those passes should go to Jones anyway.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 03:50 pm
No it's not. Exhibit A today.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 05:09 pm
It’s a sign of his denial of the need to change inherent in this roster. He sounds completely unable to grasp the reality of this roster and season when he speaks too.
Go_Pack1265
October 09, 2022 at 02:00 pm
I think he needs glasses. He overthrows, he underthrows, he misses guys in all directions. Maybe he just can't see well anymore.
Hematite
October 09, 2022 at 02:25 pm
That's what I've been saying since game one.
He doesn't seem to be seeing the whole field.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 07:35 pm
I think it's the combination of multiple things him not seeing the field well. Second there could be some wrong routes being run and third being minimal separation and that is why we see him over throwing it. The main problem for me are his screens and some deep throws being under thrown. Rest all are because of the above reasons.
Fubar
October 09, 2022 at 03:58 pm
Imo the past few years Rodgers has become myopic. He looks the receiver he wants to get the ball to and when open rifles it. He is not reading receivers at all. His thinking, do t have time for that
They knew he was going to Cobb and were prepared to block the pass and cover Cobb.
Booner
October 09, 2022 at 11:43 am
Going No where with this coaching staff!
WE STINKS!!!!!!!!!
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 11:49 am
Do you mean the coach who calls the plays from the sideline, or the guy who changes everything as he sees fit at the LOS?
Lphill
October 09, 2022 at 11:53 am
How do you know Rodgers is changing the play?
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 11:57 am
Even if Rodgers were, that’s on LaFleur. He’s the Head Coach and it’s his job to make the team play effectively. If he can’t, he’s no business being there.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:09 pm
I'll repeat exactly what I said to a friend during today's game: There is not a coach in the NFL who can control the Rodgers monster. They should have traded him and made a play for the future of this team.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 12:19 pm
I don't know for sure if you're right about the arrogance of Rodgers, Oppy, but I sense that you're quite right.
I would be glad to be wrong.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:32 pm
Here’s how you do it. Personnel you send on to the field, calls you send in to the field and a direct statement that if you don’t play in plan, Love will. It’s at that point, if indeed you are right as to the problem. Personally, I don’t think LaFleyr could out coach any team in the league except maybe us firmer acolytes in Denver and Chicago.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 12:57 pm
I'm not sure if I'm right about Rodgers undermining LaFleur, either -- but wouldn't it be good to know for the success of the Packers, and our equilibrium of mood?
My best guess is that it's Rodgers being arrogant and stubborn, and LaFleur being weak and an enabler.
That's why I would have traded Rodgers in the offseason, gone with Love, and kept MVS as the only wide receiver beside Lazard who is a veteran still in his prime.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 01:08 pm
My point is that regardless of that, LaFleur is useless. Since he’s responsible either way, I’m just emphasizing that LaFleur’s culpability shouldn’t be lost in this.
RichBeckman
October 09, 2022 at 01:32 pm
Sure, send in the play with the threat, Rogers ignores it, LaFleur makes good on it, the Packers lose anyway and
Packer Nation Goes Bananas Over LaFleur's Bonehead Move!!!!!!
Rogers is a Diva. He can afford to be a Diva because the fan base wants him.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 05:16 pm
Much of the fan base still wanted Favre when he was playing in purple. If you follow that logic then you’ve no business running a franchise. Today we saw a QB who isn’t as good, playing with less and fighting what he has. His remarks afterwards emphasize that he just can’t see reality anymore.
We also saw a coach who has lived off the back of Rodgers and and Adams and is devoid of strategic acumen or imagination. LaFleur us and imposter who can’t strategize, motivate or innovate. Nowhere to hide. No lucky win, just more evident that he never had, let alone addressed, a plan for this year and roster.
This is Favre in year 2 in purple but uncoached In any meaningful sense. It’s been coming, in truth these issues aren’t new, but the excuses are evaporating. A better, stronger, coach might have extended his career, but a less self absorbed Rodgers could have too. In the end, they made each other worse by letting LaFleur coast and survive and by letting Rodgers continue in his delusions unchecked.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:00 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 05:31 pm
That we had a team that would give up that type of value and we kept him at a cost of 50 million … maybe a generational mistake. To the majority who whined about the miseries of life after Rodgers, thus us what happens when age, rigid mindset and a bad fit with your roster combine. Love may actually be more effective with this lot, simply because he’s not as blinkered mentally despite less talent.
It would have been nice to go out in a high. LaFleur lacked what it takes to get it there while we had the roster. This roster has potential for the future. It’s not something Rodgers will be part of, except that we will still be paying him. Hopefully l, this season serves to rid us of the freeloader head coach as well.
baldski
October 09, 2022 at 04:21 pm
I agree! What are you going to do? Bench a $50 million/yr. player? Rogers knows this, also. Its why he gets away with his act.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 05:33 pm
Once the money is spent, and his is, yes, if it makes the team better. Rodgers only has clout if you believe he’s the great hope. It’s pretty clear that he is not any more.
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 02:15 pm
but hes still going to be there. there not going to fire a head coach with a record of 42 and 12. they will just be a dead end team like you said.
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 03:42 pm
Fire Lefleur? If Rodgers wants him gone he will be fired . Just as he sent McCarthy down the road. #12 pulls the strings. Time to get a new puppeteer
cpabandit
October 09, 2022 at 03:06 pm
I post my comments every week and usually get torn part over it. Rodgers is the most talented QB ever to play the game. But he is one of the stupidest QBs ever to play the game. He overthrows, underthrows, throws into double coverage and doesn't see the open receivers. I hate Tom Brady, but he is the GOAT. Not nearly as talented as Rodgers, but so much smarter.
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 03:45 pm
Rodgers talks a good game…. But ultimately chokes on the big game as of late. Was a star…. Now a diva. Look for a new star. Not a diva.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 03:55 pm
Didn't he say he wanted to put on a show for the fans today?
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:08 pm
It's mostly because I'm not a moron.
edp1959
October 09, 2022 at 12:35 pm
He doesn't, just proving he's a hater.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:43 pm
EDP's mouth is like Rodgers' sweatband.
Packerpasty
October 09, 2022 at 01:05 pm
exactly...armchair coaches seem to know that Rodgers changes plays all the time...does he? Who knows but it sure isn't as often as some think...MLF has flatlined as a coach and Barry just plain isn't a great defensive coach...lots of talent on this team it falls on the coaching staff...MLF is a great cheerleader though..
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 03:46 pm
Give MLF some Pom poms. And a new job
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 03:59 pm
Does it matter really. If he does change the play the result is the same. It's both their jobs ànd they are not doing a good job.
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 11:53 am
gotta love the 3 bombs after the 8 minute drive. wonder who called those.....
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 12:01 pm
Who is calling the plays -- especially in key situations -- is the $50 million question.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 12:25 pm
It is $200 mill question!
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 02:15 pm
its a five dollar question. its aaron rodgers.
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 06:45 pm
It’s fifty cents “to see the elephant jump the fence” or not.
Thegreatreynoldo
October 09, 2022 at 08:21 pm
I mean the coach whose secondary has more communication errors than my WIFI.
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 10:51 pm
Sort of reminds me of a line in the Beatles song
"He's a real nowhere man
Sitting in his nowhere land
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody"
edp1959
October 09, 2022 at 11:43 am
Where is the top five defense we heard so much about? Those two first round picks are fantastic.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 11:45 am
Quay actually did decent. Wyatt was out. Still, no excuses for bad performance today. Savage, Stokes, and Douglas were horrible. I think they can be good, as we've seen, but they need better coaching. Look at Denver. Look at Giants. Packers actually did a decent job containing Barkley aside from one play. The reason why this defense is so bad is because the coaching is terrible. We were harrassed by the Giants but they don't have half as much talent as we do! It's all on Rodgers, Barry, and MLF
jannesbjornson
October 09, 2022 at 12:46 pm
I would put Savage on the trade wire. Maybe Barry has neutralized his own safeties? Lazard with butterfingers. No excuse not to tie the game. Third quarter play calling still a mystery. Garvin had good technique on his rush. Right side of the O line destroyed by the Giants. Newman was pushed straight into Rodgers; both tackles failed to control their guy on the tipped balls. Daniel Jones played very well.
stockholder
October 09, 2022 at 12:57 pm
Savage is no sure tackler. I called him a coward last year. He has been more aggressive this year. Douglass will be a safety next year.
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 08:02 pm
Sorry Quay is overmatched right now. He’s terrible. We didn’t have the $$ for linebackers after paying Rodgers. He should be playing in spots, not starting. ALL Walkers tackles are 7 yards down the field. He’s lost.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:15 pm
That was based on playing our O.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 12:17 pm
lol
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 08:00 pm
Top 5 against the bears and two crippled ( at the time ) opponents.
pacman
October 09, 2022 at 11:44 am
AR should be fired just after MLF (and Barry?). When is the last time this team played 60 min of football.
Just disgusted!
I think we will look back at this game as the end of the AR era. Possible MLF too but it's hard to tell who to blame more.
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 11:49 am
I think they would have been better with Love in this game.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:00 pm
It’s possible if that changed personnel and his willingness to use them, but LaFleur put the personnel out there. That’s really saying that LaFleur can’t coach Rodgers. In reality, what can he actually do?
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 12:22 pm
MLF may have a directive from sMurph to play the star that he’s paying. “I am not paying Rodgers 50 mill and letting him sit on the bench. How does that help my revenue? I don’t care if you want the other guy, you’re playing Rodgers.”
In that scenario is just a mid-level corporate flunky. He may be competent, he may even be good, but he’s just there to take the blame.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 12:31 pm
If he has b*lls, he should reply to Murphy. Either I'm HC or you do not have one. And than tells everybody on the press conference what happened at Murphy's office.
When he lose the position, and he will, right or wrong, he will be pushed to become again QB coach or assistant.
If he resign because he was not able to do his work because somebody else messed with, he will soon get the HC job elsewere.
That is the rule.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 01:02 pm
I agree, croat, that LaFleur has to speak out and stand up for himself if the front office is holding him back in asserting his authority over Rodgers.
Then again, if that's the case, it seems LaFleur should have been speaking out a couple of seasons ago, and at the very least before the team gave Rodgers another huge contract this past offseason.
Packerpasty
October 09, 2022 at 01:13 pm
time for Bisaccia....cant be any worse..at least he had the Raiders fired up last year...
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 04:08 pm
LaFleur loves his job and knows he will not have another opportunity as good as this, and he will never rock the boat if it does not suit Rodgers and will never stand up to Rodgers. He doesn't have the career accomplishments and clout to do so..
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 01:52 pm
And then never works in the NFL again. Owners & GMs want guys who are cooperative. NFL head coaches are mid-level management.
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 03:53 pm
Murphy will tell MLF to fall on his sword when everything falls apart……
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 12:53 pm
Honestly, not sure that it is MLF. QB and HC may comunicate and there is possibility that MLF is trying to please Diva by sending personnel he wants to have.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 01:06 pm
Inexcusable if true. I also think it obscures the fact that LaFleur is inept as a coach. It’s one thing to get shown up by BB, but it’s been every week that his opponent has contributed more to their O.
Hematite
October 09, 2022 at 12:32 pm
👌
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 11:55 am
There was a good chance that this year was a mistake for both the team and Rodgers. It certainly looks that way. It was a year when LaFleur had to step up and find ways to get Rodgers to win with less. I actually don’t see a single idea-contrast that with other coaches with lesser rosters and QBs. He even abandoned the run game at half time.
The only good thing to come out if this is that it shows LaFleur won’t learn, is oblivious to the issues. He’s the Drayton of Head Coaches.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 11:58 am
You keep blaming MLF, and I'm not saying he doesn't have some fault here. But the real problem is the QB, who is enabled by the de facto owner.
12 needed to go this past offseason. I wish I could say I was surprised by this outcome.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:08 pm
The QB plays for the HC. If that’s not true, then the HC is a sham. I know what you are saying: maybe it’s true, but then LaFleur is a fraud anyway and it’s not worked for 3 years meaningfully, when it matters, and not working now. It’s just becoming more and more devoid of excuses and much easier to see against lesser teams.
Last year I said that it was obvious that Drayton made his team worse and should be fired in season: something I’d rarely do—to stop him taking us down when it mattered. I honestly believe that LaFleur being let go might result in a less bad season. The man is clueless before and during.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 12:09 pm
The HC in Green Bay in 2021... is a sham, dude.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:42 pm
If it’s all Rodgers, it’s all LaFleur anyway. Hire Payton with a brief to bench Rodgers if Rodgers won’t comply. When you are charging headlong into a wall, a change of direction won’t make you much worse off and may just save you.
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 02:13 pm
How do you know? It's just as likely he was hired because he was the guy who agreed to the part in the job description which said "do what you want, but keep Rodgers happy"
Or maybe not and it is all MLF's fault. We're all speculating here.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 12:18 pm
MLF reminds me of Scott Frost as a Huskers fan as well. Bad coaching diminishes the potential of the players
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 12:27 pm
It would be naive to think any coach — even Belichick— has complete autonomy.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 01:14 pm
Tell that to Ariens, Carroll, Shannahan, Doug Pederson, Tomlin, Harbaugh, McVay etc...
Thegreatreynoldo
October 09, 2022 at 08:28 pm
The Giants' OC thoroughly and profoundly out-coached Joe Barry. Giving up 27 to the NYG is difficult to excuse.
That said, I agree that LaFleur and AR are not doing the team any favors by passing twice as much as they run when the strength of the team is in the run game.
splitpea1
October 09, 2022 at 08:50 pm
Barry has a stubbornness problem. He insists on playing a lot of zone, even though his players would probably benefit from more man coverage. There is still confusion in the secondary.
And then he failed to adjust to QB roll-outs in the second half. A Giants analyst speculated that Daboll might have kept D. Jones mostly stationary in the first half to set the Packers up for the second.
MLF and AR probably thought they could take advantage of A. Jackson being out. The offense refuses to be patient and content to move the chains when it should.... Martindale had the final answer with that safety blitz.
Hematite
October 09, 2022 at 12:34 pm
👍
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:07 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 02:19 pm
rodgers can change any play he wants. it doesnt matter what lafleur calls. when things are going good, 12 sticks to the game plan. to me it was evident today after rodgers threw that amazing pass to cobb in the first quarter, that he was feeling himself, and he wanted to keep that going. runs up the gut were working, and in the first half they used them to convert some third downs. but once the Gmen had that 8 minute drive, rodgers decided he was going to bring them back. and it failed. i hope that they will learn from this and adjust, because 12 sees the tape as well. but im afraid that this is most likely wishful thinking.
Bure9620
October 09, 2022 at 04:02 pm
Unfortunately this is what I was thinking as well.
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 01:15 pm
Gute… for not getting Martindale!
gpt999
October 09, 2022 at 04:33 pm
I agree that its hard to find the source(s) to blame. Sure, Rodgers is not Rodgers right now. But at least he has a resume of a great HOF QB. Hiring Barry based his resume was a joke and happened because both he and MFL coached the Rams. As per MLF, its easier to fire Barry now versus the upheaval of a new HC.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 11:44 am
It’s time to stop hiding and face the truth that LaFleur will never win anything that matters. He’s out coached and out thought weekly.
Matt LaFleur was a dead end and will make sure that we stay in one until he is gone.
Desert the running game, hero ball 3 and out after the D has come off a 15 minute drive. The fiction That Adams ball is replaceable by Cobb/Lazard ball. It’s been there for all to see in prior post seasons and in games against weak teams this year. Barry comes out after a good first half and plays passive after LaFleur said that had to stop after last week, the same non effect he had over Pettine.
LaFleur has nowhere to hide. No basis to assert competence left. As long as he’s here we aren’t going to a Super Bowl.
edp1959
October 09, 2022 at 11:48 am
But Joe Barry is the greatest hire ever. Don’t you love that top 5 defense.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 11:59 am
I know right most of the comments blaming mostly on offense when before off season we all Spoke about growing pains on this offense and defense will be top 5 and will carry us to championship.
Even thought we scored today and equalled the giants at 27 with time on the clock the Giants would've score very easily on this defense.
If the defense giving p 27 points and expecting this offense to score more than that is laughable
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 12:31 pm
So you’re saying the Packers just suck. Given what we just saw, it’s hard to argue.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 11:57 am
Certainly seems to be the pattern with LaFleur. Although I proffer that Rodgers will also "never win anything that matters."
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:09 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 02:19 pm
Amen
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 11:57 am
barry has no balls. bend but dont break is bend until you break. lafleur might as well have a ball gag in his mouth and a butt plug in his ass, cus he has no control over rodgers. or barrry. barry did try a bit of man D but they got beat on a few crossers and that was the end of that. forget about blitzing this team wont do it, even against danny dimes
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 04:22 pm
MLF’s new holloween costume…..ball in mouth and butt plug……wait he has worn that before right?
gpt999
October 09, 2022 at 04:35 pm
Agreed. MLF needs to grow a pair and either force Barry to be aggressive or fire his sorry ass.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 12:15 pm
The key unspoken question -- underneath the questions about the competence of LaFleur -- is whether Rodgers is undermining LaFleur?
Then again, as you write above, Coldworld, it's up to LaFleur to assert his rightful authority over Rodgers -- as head coach over quarterback.
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So, do the Packers do what the Badgers did with Paul Chryst and fire LaFleur early in the season?
Would a new head coach have the backing of the front office to be firm with Rodgers as to who is running the team?
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P.S. Is Rodgers a grumpy old man out there on the field giving off negative vibes that suck the life out of the team; or are any reactions of Rodgers appropriate responses to frustrating mistakes made by others?
Is it possible Rodgers really has thought seriously about retiring the past couple of seasons, and doesn't have the passion and the patience to lead the Packers anymore?
I don't know, but it would be good to find out for the sake of the rest of this season.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 12:19 pm
I'm not saying anything, but we saw what Bissacia did with a crappy Raiders roster last year - oh wait, I guess that is saying something.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:36 pm
Him, or Sean Payton. Simply tell Rodgers to play as instructed or from the bench. That’s on Murphy, so don’t bet on It.
stockholder
October 09, 2022 at 01:05 pm
Better use of the TEs. It didn't happen in the 2nd 1/2. Bel-ichick put in a extra Ot. We haven't seen that yet!
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:36 pm
Him, or Sean Payton. Simply tell Rodgers to play as instructed or from the bench. That’s on Murphy, so don’t bet on It.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:10 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
MainePackFan
October 10, 2022 at 08:44 am
I think Rodgers frustration (head shaking) is with himself. He knows that many of the throws he is making are not up to his standard. He knows when the throw was the problem, and when the route was the problem. His head shaking is most prevalent when it's obvious his accuracy was the problem.
Hematite
October 09, 2022 at 12:35 pm
👍
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 06:44 pm
He wouldn’t fire Mo Drayton until all was lost. Speaks volumes.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 11:45 am
Giants pre snap offense manipulated the Packers' D to be out of position the entire second half. Really a shame because from down to down the defense showed they could stop the run, but they couldnt get off the field on 3rd downs.
Offensively, the need to win in the air is a liability. The need to win with trusted vets is a liability. The first of two "tips" on our last red zone trip wasn't a tip- the QB threw the ball directly into the lineman's upper chest/ shoulder.
Ugh.
As Nagler states, I hope it's a wake up call, but it probably won't be.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 11:52 am
Oppy
You and I have been on the same page for years regarding 12 and this team. This was hardly unexpected. I thought they'd win today - but that doesn't change the fact that they'll choke hard in January.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:02 pm
Yup.
All the arm talent in the world isn't enough to overcome, as you put it, the level hubris displayed.
It truly is a team sport, and all 11 playing together under a unified system will ultimately yield better results than 1 very talented man essentially going the lone-wolf route.
It's absolutely maddening because if 12 would just accept that his job is well defined and make the effort to play within those parameters 85% of the time, the offense could truly be impressive. Instead, he chooses to second guess and tamper with everything, and often ignores open reads because of his trust issues. It's frustrating.
The approach is literally the difference between Brady's and Rodgers' success over the years.. and Brady isn't even 3/4ths as talented as Rodgers.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 12:09 pm
If 12 could have been capable of that, well, I won't delve into his personal life, but there would be some differences there I'd bet.
We'd have won it all in 2011. 2014. 2020. 2021 too.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:13 pm
Ugly truths that many people simply won't entertain.
Packers fans love holding everyone and their mother accountable for failure, so long as it's not their starting QB
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:12 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
JohnnyLogan
October 09, 2022 at 02:34 pm
Brady is far more talented than Rodgers. Not in arm strength, not in accuracy, but Brady is far superior in playing the position of QB. Watching him move around a pocket, hit the open man, and by the will of his personality motivate his teammates are the reasons for all those rings. It's not all because of BB.
All the accolades Rodgers has received over the years, not to say he doesn't deserve them, but they have fed an ego that at this point in his career is hard to tolerate. All the pouting, hero ball, blaming others, and excuses because he has rookie receivers... he simply no longer inspires confidence, and worse, he's not much fun to watch.
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 03:31 pm
The not much fun to watch is key. Is there anything worse than big game Rodgers and his constipated play? Maybe it's games like these where he plays uninspired, dumb football.
It's time for him to quit. He already has, but he's too in love with the money or the attention to leave. Maybe he can come up with a nagging injury that gives his an ego an out & allows him to give his QB spot up.
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 04:03 pm
December, not January this time. Gute is no Ron Wolf. He’s won nothing and Murphy needs to do something FAST.
badaxed
October 10, 2022 at 07:17 am
Howdy Doody do something? LOL! Build a theme park maybee! He already asked Rodgers to not be part of the problem. The Diva IS the problem. Giving the diva 150 million and the only set of keys to the car has sent a message to all who is the driver. Everyone else get in the back seat and buckle up because this driver is drunk with power and is all over the road. Get ready to call a tow truck as we are headed for the ditch.
dobber
October 09, 2022 at 11:54 am
Regularly moving their back in and out of the backfield and forcing the Packers to disclose their coverages.
"Offensively, the need to win in the air is a liability. The need to win with trusted vets is a liability. "
3rd and 2 at the NYG 7 and about 1:40. Good success moving the ball on the ground and Dillon in the backfield. I run that ball, keep the clock moving, and see how it shakes out. We all saw how that played out.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:06 pm
Even more basic than exposing coverages, the Giants knew exactly which pieces to motion to take a defender out of a given gap and create a path to daylight- often for Daniel Jones to simply scamper through.
Very, very frustrating day defensively because the Defense did a great job shutting down the run for the most part the entire game, but they just couldn't string 3 successes in a row to get off the field.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:14 pm
Did it not remind you of MMs last season? We are so darn predictable, so devoid of ideas and we forget about running still. MM had a far far weaker roster. What’s LaFleur’s excuse?
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:38 pm
Dude, you keep on solving the riddle but you refuse to accept it.
There's multiple patterns that remain in the Packers' offensive woes.. We've changed OC's, we changed HC's, the entire staff.. the same issues exist.
What's the common thread? It's #12.
Since 2016 I've been trying to raise the alarm. I've given specifics for people to look into themselves. Nobody wants to hear it.
It. is. 12.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:41 pm
...As talented as he is, there are negatives that come lumped into the package deal.
The worst part is, he uses manipulative language to suggest the blame lies elsewhere. He has zero qualms with laying his shortcomings at the feet of others (typically his coaches).. and does it with double-talk that he can claim isn't technically lying if anyone ever calls him on it. Exactly like the game he played with his vaccination status.
I've literally been pointing this out for 6 years and counting. It. is. 12.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 01:04 pm
I don’t refuse to accept it. I said retaining Rodgers this year was more likely than not crazy with this roster. I am simply saying that LaFkeur is just as much the problem and would show this year if he had anything to bring to the table. He doesn’t. If there is a difference in saying that LaFleur is a waste of space and Rodgers hadn’t grasped reality (as a goid coach would make him).
I had a bad feeling when Rodgers called for a bigger role for Cobb this week. Not because if Cobb per se, he was good this week when used appropriately, but because it showed Ridgers just doesn’t get the fact that Cobb and Lazard aren’t going to take us anywhere alone and teams now already double civer Doubs (which tells its own story).
Yet again we went into this without Toure and Watson was just a gadget. It’s a doomed, fruitless strategy rooted in delusion. To continue with this will just be an ugly encore too far. My point is that LaFleur is at least as culpable.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:14 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 01:09 pm
Hey, wait, I may have expressed some concerns about Rodgers here and there ;-).
Hematite
October 09, 2022 at 03:07 pm
👍
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 09:31 pm
Arise Sir Oppy! You were and are right.
packerbackerjim
October 09, 2022 at 03:14 pm
3rd and 2, 1:40 left, AJ. It’s what you drafted him for. I’ve seen this scenario several times before. Failure every time.
But the game overall was lost in the trenches, as most games are.
BruceC1960
October 09, 2022 at 06:18 pm
Giants 28th against the run.
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 01:17 pm
The only WAKE UP CALL is for the fans I’m afraid. This is a 9 win team..
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 04:21 pm
Who do you think they may win over aditional 7 games? Maybe Washington. MM will get his revenge. Philly? Jets? Miami? Bills? Viqueens? Maybe 2× Lions plus Bears. Titans? So, I see 6 or 7 wins total!
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 02:27 pm
whats funny is that theyve been good on 3rd down all season, and bad on first and second. they adjusted and really put it to saquan, except for that stupid 40 yard run out of the wildcat. today it was 3rd downs that were an issue.
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 04:00 pm
I would remind Aaron Nagler of the wake up call regarding Maurice Drayton last year..how did that go?
I would expect to wake up to Joe Barry in December when their season ends.
The wake up call is for the fans…expect 8 or 9 wins in 2022.
ddepula418
October 09, 2022 at 11:45 am
Totally outreached and outplayed. Defense is awful.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 11:47 am
Front 7 was decent outside of one big play. D-backs looked completely confused. Barry is the problem, not the players. The Packers have too much talent to be this bad. MLF and Rodgers are the problem on offense too. Honestly Rich Bissacia is our best coach right now. Maybe we should fire MLF and make him interim HC.
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 02:29 pm
i think your dead on. team was clearly outcoached today. barry wants to play zone, but i dont think the back seven have the brains for it. there aggressive see ball hit ball types. theres always somebody out of position. wink wouldve been awesome for this team. you might as well just blitz in todays nfl, cus if you stay back and cover your gonna get a defensive holding anyway.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 11:49 am
Offense is worse than awful! Aaron Rodgers played like UDFA on his first time in NFL game.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 12:01 pm
And how did the defense play...Any mention on their play.
Agreed the offense starting with Arod played poor in the 2nd half but letting giants offense with no weapons score 27.
That too after drafting high picks and ourselves boasting this would be a top defense this off season
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:30 pm
Well in the first half. Passively in the second.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 01:12 pm
In the first half giants had out of 4 of the drives they scored10 points with two successful drives. I dont think that is playing well against a team that is already without their Primary wr's isn't it?
They played okish first half and played poor second and offense played poor in the second half.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 04:28 pm
And offense played well? Vs team that was missing important DL player and top CB is rookie? Yeah, you are right. Packers OL is very bad in pass protection. Blitzes mostly comes to the target. Only what was working was ground game and Packers O did not use it enough. So, you say offense played well? Ha.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 04:35 pm
Well they infact played well in the first half and played poor in the second half. Out of 5 drives they scored on 4 drives i guess in the first half.
Coming to abandoning the run in the second half i am too not happy about not using dillon much when he is getting more yards than jones this game.
Wenis
October 09, 2022 at 11:45 am
Rodgers, Lafleur and Barry aka The Three Stooges Ride Again.
No halftime adjustments.... surprise !
Passing on 3rd and 4th down needing 2 yards.... surprise !
Swiss Cheese defense and turtling up on offense. Lafleur outclassed again.
What a fkn embarrassing display of football
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 12:06 pm
Yes two bone head plays by Rodgers. But again I am pretty sure that giants would've score with time on clock easily against this defense.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 04:31 pm
"Yes two bone head plays by Rodgers."
Only two? Did you watch the game. There was at least 6 or 7 errant deep passes that was completely uncatchable.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 04:46 pm
Lol I was referring to the last drive 3rd and 4th down passes that is what i am talking about and agreeing to the above person of being runs instead. BTW coming to errants throws all of those didn't impact the game only few did like the throws he heaved that 3 and out drive and also the last drive at 3 and 2 which would almost have been picked. 4th down is a blitz which is expected but they should've gone for run on the 3rd and 2nd.
RichBeckman
October 09, 2022 at 01:51 pm
No halftime adjustments?
I thought they took what worked in the first half and stopped doing it.
JerseyCheese
October 09, 2022 at 11:46 am
This team SUCKS!
Sorry to say it but it's a reality at this point. The defense was supposed to be a top defense coming into this season and they can't stop a nose bleed. We have no receivers and two of the best backs in the league but continue to pass the ball. Rodgers has the WORST body language in the world. Why would anyone want to play with him? Imagine going to work and every time he sees you he shakes his head.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 11:50 am
I know...I was optimistic last week that they could turn it around and win the SB, but not with these coaches and not with washed Rodgers. They should bench him and start Love, honestly. WHY DID WE NOT RUN WHEN WE AVERAGED 5+ YARDS PER CARRY! Also the defense looks confused, but it's not the players' fault. Coaching 100%. We've seen that these players can be good, and we've also seen what good coaching can do for sub-par squads (see Daboll and Wink for the Giants). If this defense had good coaches, THEN they would be great. We have the personel, but not the coaches. Same on O. Bissacia is our best coach at this point honestly
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 11:46 am
If anyone thinks that father time did not catch Aaron Rodgers...
He become unbeliveable imprecise. It is now 3rd game with errant throws. Even Alen Lazards was pissed off after one of his throws in 4th Q.
And what was that with 2 batted passes on 3rd and 4th last Packers possesion?
If Packers catch the wild card for play offs we will be lucky.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 01:38 pm
This team isn’t winning it all. We have seen enough already, but I think is now getting to the point where the realization is widespread that we have seen the start of the end of the era.
The rest of this season is a swan song for an all time great who couldn’t adapt to changed roster reality and one of the least capable head coaches we’ve had in GB. He’s all Rodgers and Adams. He’s naked without his QB/WRs just doing their thing on their own initiative.
We could use the draft picks we didn’t get from Denver. Winning a wild card will only hurt our draft position. It would be better to play youth, start Love, but we will not. We will see more Cobb/Lazard ball impotence from Rodgers and LaFleur.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:18 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
Rossonero
October 09, 2022 at 08:26 pm
Same here, Johnny Blood. I was all in to sell high on Rodgers while the going was good...could've gotten a boatload of picks to set this franchise up for years to come. But, alas....the price will go down after this season. To sell high after too back-to-back MVP seasons may have seemed strange, but the time was right to do it. It's too late now.
gpt999
October 09, 2022 at 04:40 pm
I agree they will be luckly IF they can get a wild card in the playoffs. Paying AR $50Mil a season sure doesn't look good now. But its hard to say its basically his fault. I like his resume a lot more than I do some of the other "suspects" on this team...
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 04:54 pm
Yes they should've let him go to denver. Keeping him is one of the wrong decision packer's did this season as the market for qb's is really high this year. As a result we had to pay him morel
Letting him go would've been a win win situation for both GB and Denver. Looking at the difference we have with vikings in terms of no. of wins in the division and also we lost two games in nfc. With stacked NFC east looks like it'll be really hard for packers to sneak in to the wildcard.
Tingham
October 09, 2022 at 11:46 am
Looking more and more like this team is just not that good. A couple more games like this and we will be talking about draft choices in the top part of the draft.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 12:29 pm
I was thinking about draft choices after the game, but what's the point, if this charade continues?
GA-Packer
October 09, 2022 at 06:09 pm
I agree. Every team besides the Bears are better. I’m not positive we’ll make the playoffs.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 11:46 am
Yes the D did not play well but that was partially due to the multiple 3 and outs by the O. Once again Rodgers proves that he's only a 2-quarters-per-game QB – with the balance being hero ball. Also he is no longer capable of throwing a good long ball (for a couple of seasons now). So this is worth 50m per year? Ideally I would like to reduce his salary by 50% - this being commensurate to his real value and allowing Love to play half a game.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 12:09 pm
Multiple how many multiple can you mention...In the second half the Offense got ball thrice in the first drive itself they were in the FG range until that sack which is totally on oline.
The only drive that stalled and defense has to play is one that is the second drive.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 12:42 pm
So how many touchdowns and field goals did the Packers score in the 2nd half? A drive is not a drive unless a team scores. And the O did not score is the second half - so...
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 01:09 pm
That wasn't the point you stated up top mentioning the "defense partially struggled becoz of multiple 3 and out's" i just stated the fact that there aren't many 3 and out's . It was only one 3 and out to absolve defense from any blame. No one is denying that offense didnt come up with any points and played some poor football in the second half. But giving 27 points to jones lead offense with PS wr's is even worse than how the offense played today.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 01:44 pm
The Packers were 4-10 on 3rd down efficiency and 0-1 on 4th down efficiency - so 4-11 overall - which ain't good. But that's what $50M gets you.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 02:04 pm
Say all you want to say. I was just stating the facts that in response to what you said above that there aren't many 3 and out's in the second half to absolve defense of any blame. There is only one. The fact is defense gave up 27 points to some random wr's which is lead by bummed offense.
When offense was moving the ball well in the first half even then the defense gave up 10 points what do you say about that. The secondary is all mess all night long. Gave up too many 3rd and longs. Do you expect this offense who doesn't have true wr1 and true TE and also two rookies to score more than 27 you got to be delusional. Remember that when we had a top offense in 2020 we were scoring only 31 or 33 points a game.
Coming to 50M yes who said he is not to be blamed. For that drive where we went 3 and out and when we went to tie the game we didn't run the ball at 3 and 2 are definitely on him.
But the main fact is year after year drafting high picks on defense and completely ignoring the offense isn't going and isn't going to help the aging QB when the def isn't playing to what they were told they would be this off season.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 04:35 pm
6 to 7 consecutive 3 and outs!
coolhand
October 10, 2022 at 09:16 am
There was point in the 2nd half, we had the Giants in a 3rd and 12, and our d backs were playing so far off the receivers they were 15 yards downfield and guess what happens? No pass rush, Jones hits his wide open receiver at 10 yards and he doesn't get hit by a d back until he has the first down. What kind of defense is that? I would have fired Barry immediately after that play.
DragonSilk
October 09, 2022 at 11:47 am
Rodgers is starting to remind me of Favre in the Sherman years. When he throws it deep, I just hold my breath and hope nothing bad happens.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 11:48 am
STARTING?
LOL dude. Aaron Charles Rodgers has been a team liability when it mattered since 2014.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:20 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
October 10, 2022 at 10:29 am
This is what happens when decisions are made based on fear. Packers hierarchy are a bunch of cowards. They make cowardly decisions on and off the field ad nauseum. Mark Murphy's mandatory retirement age cant come soon enough cuz there needs to be a complete overhaul of the front office.
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 12:04 pm
There was more life in Favre’s arm. Rodgers’ arm looks tired. In fact, he looks tired period.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 11:48 am
"I think Aaron Rodgers just sailed another errant deep ball to the sidelines at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium"
THIS. Passing the ball like it's 2011 WILL end this team's season. They missed their SB window in 2020 and 2021 to a lesser extent. Bringing back Aaron Charles Rodgers when they could have gotten 3 1st round picks for him was the height of stupidity. They'll make the dance. But when they get there, they'll choke again.
12 will piss away the season and blame someone else. MLF will fall on the sword.
They utterly deserved to lose today. LOL frigging idiots. The hubris is unreal.
clarity007
October 09, 2022 at 11:48 am
Simply said. Outcoached and outplayed
tobinrote
October 09, 2022 at 11:50 am
time to clean house and rebuilt. unload high priced over-the-hill players. AR clearly no longer has the skill set needed. Yes, he can occasionally make an amazing throw but you must suffer through the long heaves to nowhere or the short misses. and where is Dillon for when you have 2 yards for a TD on 3rd down and instead put it in the hands of a QB who no longer can get it done. Take the dead money hits for AR and Bahktiari and start the long haul rebuild. and while i am at it, so much for all the hype about a new improved D. i suppose if you want to feel good you can still say we are better than the colts or the broncos, but that is the direction we are heading in.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 11:54 am
Agreed. Trade Bakh, Aaron Jones (age concerns), and FIRE Rodgers, MLF, and Barry. Bissacia is the only good coordinator on this team LOL. Also, the Colts and Broncos have good defenses. We don't even have that. It doesn't matter how much talent is on the D if the coaches are stupid. We should be a top-5 unit but now we're not even a top-10 unit. Better coaches should fix the problem. Gutey tried to set us up for success but Barry, MLF, and Rodgers have shot our chances at a second ring down the drain. Might as well play Jordan Love
Wenis
October 09, 2022 at 01:11 pm
Spot on assessment.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 01:22 pm
Did anyone else think we looked stouter with Nijman at LT than Bakh? Certainly we ran it well. Either he can play a game or he can’t. Platooning isn’t ideal.
Let’s just can Amari. We didn’t even use him once down Watson. His ball security is a liability and his returns not worth mentioning.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 01:52 pm
I would be more surprised, than not, if Bakh played the entire season. I get the sense that his knee is just being held together by string, glue, prayers and crossed-fingers. In short, he is just another injury waiting to happen - which would be most unfortunate for such a stellar player. However, I think his best days are behind him.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 01:00 pm
The Packers had a golden opportunity to begin a promising new era last season - if they had traded Rodgers. Instead, some of the "deep" thinkers in management decided to bet $ 50M on Rodgers. If this was a horse race, I'm starting to look for a garbage can to toss the ticket into. Also management's "play" has probably decelerated the development of the team.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 01:17 pm
Sometimes, experts are so removed from the real world that they do the stupidest things.
We should only listen to the experts if they listen to the people. At least that seems to be the essence of democracy.
In other words, it goes both ways. We all need each other. We're equals, right?
The greatest enemy of us all seems to be arrogance. It can undermine the best of situations and be the cause of the greatest misery.
***
Good to have you back in the comment section, Alberta_Packer.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 02:41 pm
Thank you Swisch. Speaking of democracy - I would love to see a yearly plebiscite from the Packers stockholders - on important questions regarding the GBP. Perhaps this would mitigate some of hubris and tone-deafness from upper management ("experts'). I know that I'm beginning to draft my "I told you so (about Rodgers)" speech - with Mark Murphy and his sycophants in mind.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:23 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
October 10, 2022 at 10:31 am
Problem is theyve already forced so much money into the future that they really cant tear things down right now. They sold the soul of this once great organization to the devil himself and now they're stuck with him.
jhtobias
October 09, 2022 at 11:51 am
Let me guess lafluer press conference we need to tackle better , less penalties . Run the ball better. Truth is packers are who they are. A badly coached team . If gute had any sack he would tell lafluer fire joe berry or I will. Get an offensive play caller or I will. Neither will happen
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 01:25 pm
Fire LaFleur. He’s a HC whose never had an aggressive DC. He turned Pettine away from a rush led D to one premised on stopping the big play. Do it for many other reasons, but let’s not forget that. Coaches set the tone for their subordinates and teams.