Gut Reactions: Packers fuck around and find out against Giants
Aaron gives his gut reactions to the Packers embarrassing loss in London.
By PackerAaron
- I think Aaron Rodgers just sailed another errant deep ball to the sidelines at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium
- Why this team refuses to run the ball with and the offense through Aaron Jones is beyond baffling.
- The Packers defense looks completely lost on the back end.
- That said, I thought they played pretty well up front.
- The eight minute touchdown drive in the second half by the Giants followed by a 26 second drive from the Packers, putting a tired defense right back on the field, was the big swing in this game,
- It's crazy that special teams is the one unit that looks well coached.
- Maybe this will serve as a wakeup call for LaFleur and Rodgers. But I doubt it.
- Not sure why this team seems to fall apart in the second half on a regular basis.
- Thanks to all the Packers fans show showed up in London this weekend, even if their favorite team didn't.
- Imagine if they lose to the Jets...
- Go Pack.
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Lphill
October 09, 2022 at 11:40 am
Awful game plan on offense and Defense just disgusting.
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 11:51 am
game plan doesnt matter, especially on offense, because rodgers calls the plays when he wants. 3 bombs after an 8 minute drive to go three and out and put the D back on the field. i know most of us remember that colts game a few years ago, same shit, 3 plays, 3 bombs, 3 and out. but with that being said, enough of the fucking end arounds lafluer when running up the gut is getting you seven yards a pop.
KenEllis
October 09, 2022 at 03:03 pm
Lotta season left to compete for another NFC North Crown.
However, deep down, all Packer fans with a modicum of sense realize by now this team will, as they have for 11 straight seasons, be watching from home while other teams compete for a Lombardi trophy next February.
Time for those who keep peddling the ridiculous notion that this is a SB team to get to work, they've got a difficult task ahead of them.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 03:46 pm
Flyfishing is in high gear so Im going to reassess my Sunday schedule for the next few weeks . Planned on going this afternoon after the game, but I was just no longer in the mood after that!
NickPerry
October 09, 2022 at 07:45 pm
I know EXACTLY what you mean TB.... The game ended about 9:30 on the West Coast and I didn't feel like doing shit!
I will no longer be excited about this team, this staff, or any 3 game winning streak against crap teams.
Tundraboy
October 10, 2022 at 07:36 pm
It will get better one day NP,. Return to Glory right?
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 11:40 am
When Aaron Rodgers throws deep again and again into tight coverage with ongoing futility, are there other receivers open on shorter routes whom he's overlooking?
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 11:43 am
Remember the last play of the 49ers game when he tried to force it to Adams with Lazard wide open? I don't know what's up with Rodgers - same kind of decision there - he can't play hero ball all the time.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 11:54 am
PackyCheese, I'm wondering if it's more of the same thing from that infamous overlooking of Lazard in the playoff game. I don't know, and I'm wondering what other fans saw.
The thing is, there should be other receivers running patterns across the field underneath the deep receiver, and/or available for short passes as safety valves.
It seems elementary, but perhaps necessary, to point out that just because Rodgers calls for a deep pass, it doesn't mean he has to throw it deep if the guy is covered, especially if he's double covered.
So, is it coaches not scheming open secondary receivers? Does Rodges have trouble making progressions to other possibilities if his primary receiver is covered? Something else?
It seems critical to get to the bottom of such questions!
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 11:48 am
There was a third down incomplete pass where Rodgers attempted to force it to Cobb who had a DB on him, a safety over the top, and a third DB crossing underneath the route... While Doubs was on the right sideline with single coverage that he just shook on his in break.
Ball should have gone to Doubs, but as you know, Rodgers trusts Cobb.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 11:59 am
Cobb has really impressed me at his age with his ability to burst up the field: but, at the same, time, I don't know if it's good for Rodgers to focus on him as much as he did today.
I'm interested in what other fans think.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 12:24 pm
You know my opinion. Bench him! If you have 7 in the box there must be free receiver if your primiry target is doubled (or tripled). But his rookie darling again injured himself (hamstring), while Doubs, AJ &/or AJD, Deguara, Davis etc was at least open. He sees only Lazard (who played good) and Cobb. Only good play call came on TD catch for Lewis, but that was play copied from Hackett.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:28 pm
We don’t have an alternative. Watson’s not ready as a true receiver and his hammy has gone now. Doubs was double covered and Lazard is a good 2/3. We left Toure inactive. They don’t seem to get that one WR who is a threat with the ball after the catch is not enough. Cobb was good today, but it’s pretty laughable when he’s being used as a deep target. But who else, Rodgers? Doubs was double covered all day.
This is basic stuff. At this point a healthy Watson is a luxury. Doubs and Toure should be getting regular snaps running actual catching routes with both on the field with Lazard, Cobb or both regularly. Watson is a gadget. He was always likely to be with his background and absence all of camp, except seemingly in laFleurs eyes.
If Cobb gets banged up, if Jones or Lazard does, then the true extent of the bankruptcy if this LaFleur strategy will only become more glaringly obvious.
If Payton us out there, call him. If Rodgers won’t play nice with him then tell him it’s Love time. Just maybe, a coach that can coach a QB and get tactical advantages in games might turn this around. LaFleur can’t even get Barry to stay aggressive fir a week. He couldn’t get Pettine to either, despite near weekly statements.
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 03:15 pm
Barry’s soft zone is the same as Pettine’s
Same results……wide open receivers. Third string quarterbacks look like all pros against Barry’s zone defense. LaFleur is an idiot if he continues to allow Barry to keep this up.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 05:35 pm
LaFleur told Pettine he needed to prioritize avoiding big plays. Do you think it’s possible that’s what he tells Barry?
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 07:13 pm
Today in the press Rodgers has been asked about if "whether we dont have the right receivers for the deep passes?" His Answer was"That's a good point" will have to analyze. If at all him and lafluer look at the options it's clear other than Watson who is missing time because of injuries, we dont have a right receiver for deep passes.
If they are not changing the personnel atleast they should stop taking deep shots.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34762226/aaron-rodgers-not-happy-tal...
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 07:31 pm
"They don’t seem to get that one WR who is a threat with the ball after the catch is not enough. Cobb was good today, but it’s pretty laughable when he’s being used as a deep target. But who else, Rodgers? Doubs was double covered"
This drives me absolutely nuts. We don't fully utilize the weapons we have so now today ARods's number one, but why not have Toure on active as well to spread it around. And as good as Cobb is, forcing it to him when there is height/leap disadvantage is just pointless. It works when he's your slot guy your third down guy but not as your primary threat. Those passes should go to Jones anyway.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 03:50 pm
No it's not. Exhibit A today.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 05:09 pm
It’s a sign of his denial of the need to change inherent in this roster. He sounds completely unable to grasp the reality of this roster and season when he speaks too.
Go_Pack1265
October 09, 2022 at 02:00 pm
I think he needs glasses. He overthrows, he underthrows, he misses guys in all directions. Maybe he just can't see well anymore.
Hematite
October 09, 2022 at 02:25 pm
That's what I've been saying since game one.
He doesn't seem to be seeing the whole field.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 07:35 pm
I think it's the combination of multiple things him not seeing the field well. Second there could be some wrong routes being run and third being minimal separation and that is why we see him over throwing it. The main problem for me are his screens and some deep throws being under thrown. Rest all are because of the above reasons.
Fubared
October 09, 2022 at 03:58 pm
Imo the past few years Rodgers has become myopic. He looks the receiver he wants to get the ball to and when open rifles it. He is not reading receivers at all. His thinking, do t have time for that
They knew he was going to Cobb and were prepared to block the pass and cover Cobb.
Booner
October 09, 2022 at 11:43 am
Going No where with this coaching staff!
WE STINKS!!!!!!!!!
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 11:49 am
Do you mean the coach who calls the plays from the sideline, or the guy who changes everything as he sees fit at the LOS?
Lphill
October 09, 2022 at 11:53 am
How do you know Rodgers is changing the play?
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 11:57 am
Even if Rodgers were, that’s on LaFleur. He’s the Head Coach and it’s his job to make the team play effectively. If he can’t, he’s no business being there.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:09 pm
I'll repeat exactly what I said to a friend during today's game: There is not a coach in the NFL who can control the Rodgers monster. They should have traded him and made a play for the future of this team.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 12:19 pm
I don't know for sure if you're right about the arrogance of Rodgers, Oppy, but I sense that you're quite right.
I would be glad to be wrong.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:32 pm
Here’s how you do it. Personnel you send on to the field, calls you send in to the field and a direct statement that if you don’t play in plan, Love will. It’s at that point, if indeed you are right as to the problem. Personally, I don’t think LaFleyr could out coach any team in the league except maybe us firmer acolytes in Denver and Chicago.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 12:57 pm
I'm not sure if I'm right about Rodgers undermining LaFleur, either -- but wouldn't it be good to know for the success of the Packers, and our equilibrium of mood?
My best guess is that it's Rodgers being arrogant and stubborn, and LaFleur being weak and an enabler.
That's why I would have traded Rodgers in the offseason, gone with Love, and kept MVS as the only wide receiver beside Lazard who is a veteran still in his prime.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 01:08 pm
My point is that regardless of that, LaFleur is useless. Since he’s responsible either way, I’m just emphasizing that LaFleur’s culpability shouldn’t be lost in this.
RichBeckman
October 09, 2022 at 01:32 pm
Sure, send in the play with the threat, Rogers ignores it, LaFleur makes good on it, the Packers lose anyway and
Packer Nation Goes Bananas Over LaFleur's Bonehead Move!!!!!!
Rogers is a Diva. He can afford to be a Diva because the fan base wants him.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 05:16 pm
Much of the fan base still wanted Favre when he was playing in purple. If you follow that logic then you’ve no business running a franchise. Today we saw a QB who isn’t as good, playing with less and fighting what he has. His remarks afterwards emphasize that he just can’t see reality anymore.
We also saw a coach who has lived off the back of Rodgers and and Adams and is devoid of strategic acumen or imagination. LaFleur us and imposter who can’t strategize, motivate or innovate. Nowhere to hide. No lucky win, just more evident that he never had, let alone addressed, a plan for this year and roster.
This is Favre in year 2 in purple but uncoached In any meaningful sense. It’s been coming, in truth these issues aren’t new, but the excuses are evaporating. A better, stronger, coach might have extended his career, but a less self absorbed Rodgers could have too. In the end, they made each other worse by letting LaFleur coast and survive and by letting Rodgers continue in his delusions unchecked.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:00 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 05:31 pm
That we had a team that would give up that type of value and we kept him at a cost of 50 million … maybe a generational mistake. To the majority who whined about the miseries of life after Rodgers, thus us what happens when age, rigid mindset and a bad fit with your roster combine. Love may actually be more effective with this lot, simply because he’s not as blinkered mentally despite less talent.
It would have been nice to go out in a high. LaFleur lacked what it takes to get it there while we had the roster. This roster has potential for the future. It’s not something Rodgers will be part of, except that we will still be paying him. Hopefully l, this season serves to rid us of the freeloader head coach as well.
baldski
October 09, 2022 at 04:21 pm
I agree! What are you going to do? Bench a $50 million/yr. player? Rogers knows this, also. Its why he gets away with his act.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 05:33 pm
Once the money is spent, and his is, yes, if it makes the team better. Rodgers only has clout if you believe he’s the great hope. It’s pretty clear that he is not any more.
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 02:15 pm
but hes still going to be there. there not going to fire a head coach with a record of 42 and 12. they will just be a dead end team like you said.
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 03:42 pm
Fire Lefleur? If Rodgers wants him gone he will be fired . Just as he sent McCarthy down the road. #12 pulls the strings. Time to get a new puppeteer
cpabandit
October 09, 2022 at 03:06 pm
I post my comments every week and usually get torn part over it. Rodgers is the most talented QB ever to play the game. But he is one of the stupidest QBs ever to play the game. He overthrows, underthrows, throws into double coverage and doesn't see the open receivers. I hate Tom Brady, but he is the GOAT. Not nearly as talented as Rodgers, but so much smarter.
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 03:45 pm
Rodgers talks a good game…. But ultimately chokes on the big game as of late. Was a star…. Now a diva. Look for a new star. Not a diva.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 03:55 pm
Didn't he say he wanted to put on a show for the fans today?
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:08 pm
It's mostly because I'm not a moron.
edp1959
October 09, 2022 at 12:35 pm
He doesn't, just proving he's a hater.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:43 pm
EDP's mouth is like Rodgers' sweatband.
Packerpasty
October 09, 2022 at 01:05 pm
exactly...armchair coaches seem to know that Rodgers changes plays all the time...does he? Who knows but it sure isn't as often as some think...MLF has flatlined as a coach and Barry just plain isn't a great defensive coach...lots of talent on this team it falls on the coaching staff...MLF is a great cheerleader though..
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 03:46 pm
Give MLF some Pom poms. And a new job
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 03:59 pm
Does it matter really. If he does change the play the result is the same. It's both their jobs ànd they are not doing a good job.
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 11:53 am
gotta love the 3 bombs after the 8 minute drive. wonder who called those.....
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 12:01 pm
Who is calling the plays -- especially in key situations -- is the $50 million question.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 12:25 pm
It is $200 mill question!
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 02:15 pm
its a five dollar question. its aaron rodgers.
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 06:45 pm
It’s fifty cents “to see the elephant jump the fence” or not.
Thegreatreynoldo
October 09, 2022 at 08:21 pm
I mean the coach whose secondary has more communication errors than my WIFI.
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 10:51 pm
Sort of reminds me of a line in the Beatles song
"He's a real nowhere man
Sitting in his nowhere land
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody"
edp1959
October 09, 2022 at 11:43 am
Where is the top five defense we heard so much about? Those two first round picks are fantastic.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 11:45 am
Quay actually did decent. Wyatt was out. Still, no excuses for bad performance today. Savage, Stokes, and Douglas were horrible. I think they can be good, as we've seen, but they need better coaching. Look at Denver. Look at Giants. Packers actually did a decent job containing Barkley aside from one play. The reason why this defense is so bad is because the coaching is terrible. We were harrassed by the Giants but they don't have half as much talent as we do! It's all on Rodgers, Barry, and MLF
jannesbjornson
October 09, 2022 at 12:46 pm
I would put Savage on the trade wire. Maybe Barry has neutralized his own safeties? Lazard with butterfingers. No excuse not to tie the game. Third quarter play calling still a mystery. Garvin had good technique on his rush. Right side of the O line destroyed by the Giants. Newman was pushed straight into Rodgers; both tackles failed to control their guy on the tipped balls. Daniel Jones played very well.
stockholder
October 09, 2022 at 12:57 pm
Savage is no sure tackler. I called him a coward last year. He has been more aggressive this year. Douglass will be a safety next year.
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 08:02 pm
Sorry Quay is overmatched right now. He’s terrible. We didn’t have the $$ for linebackers after paying Rodgers. He should be playing in spots, not starting. ALL Walkers tackles are 7 yards down the field. He’s lost.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:15 pm
That was based on playing our O.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 12:17 pm
lol
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 08:00 pm
Top 5 against the bears and two crippled ( at the time ) opponents.
pacman
October 09, 2022 at 11:44 am
AR should be fired just after MLF (and Barry?). When is the last time this team played 60 min of football.
Just disgusted!
I think we will look back at this game as the end of the AR era. Possible MLF too but it's hard to tell who to blame more.
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 11:49 am
I think they would have been better with Love in this game.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:00 pm
It’s possible if that changed personnel and his willingness to use them, but LaFleur put the personnel out there. That’s really saying that LaFleur can’t coach Rodgers. In reality, what can he actually do?
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 12:22 pm
MLF may have a directive from sMurph to play the star that he’s paying. “I am not paying Rodgers 50 mill and letting him sit on the bench. How does that help my revenue? I don’t care if you want the other guy, you’re playing Rodgers.”
In that scenario is just a mid-level corporate flunky. He may be competent, he may even be good, but he’s just there to take the blame.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 12:31 pm
If he has b*lls, he should reply to Murphy. Either I'm HC or you do not have one. And than tells everybody on the press conference what happened at Murphy's office.
When he lose the position, and he will, right or wrong, he will be pushed to become again QB coach or assistant.
If he resign because he was not able to do his work because somebody else messed with, he will soon get the HC job elsewere.
That is the rule.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 01:02 pm
I agree, croat, that LaFleur has to speak out and stand up for himself if the front office is holding him back in asserting his authority over Rodgers.
Then again, if that's the case, it seems LaFleur should have been speaking out a couple of seasons ago, and at the very least before the team gave Rodgers another huge contract this past offseason.
Packerpasty
October 09, 2022 at 01:13 pm
time for Bisaccia....cant be any worse..at least he had the Raiders fired up last year...
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 04:08 pm
LaFleur loves his job and knows he will not have another opportunity as good as this, and he will never rock the boat if it does not suit Rodgers and will never stand up to Rodgers. He doesn't have the career accomplishments and clout to do so..
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 01:52 pm
And then never works in the NFL again. Owners & GMs want guys who are cooperative. NFL head coaches are mid-level management.
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 03:53 pm
Murphy will tell MLF to fall on his sword when everything falls apart……
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 12:53 pm
Honestly, not sure that it is MLF. QB and HC may comunicate and there is possibility that MLF is trying to please Diva by sending personnel he wants to have.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 01:06 pm
Inexcusable if true. I also think it obscures the fact that LaFleur is inept as a coach. It’s one thing to get shown up by BB, but it’s been every week that his opponent has contributed more to their O.
Hematite
October 09, 2022 at 12:32 pm
👌
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 11:55 am
There was a good chance that this year was a mistake for both the team and Rodgers. It certainly looks that way. It was a year when LaFleur had to step up and find ways to get Rodgers to win with less. I actually don’t see a single idea-contrast that with other coaches with lesser rosters and QBs. He even abandoned the run game at half time.
The only good thing to come out if this is that it shows LaFleur won’t learn, is oblivious to the issues. He’s the Drayton of Head Coaches.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 11:58 am
You keep blaming MLF, and I'm not saying he doesn't have some fault here. But the real problem is the QB, who is enabled by the de facto owner.
12 needed to go this past offseason. I wish I could say I was surprised by this outcome.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:08 pm
The QB plays for the HC. If that’s not true, then the HC is a sham. I know what you are saying: maybe it’s true, but then LaFleur is a fraud anyway and it’s not worked for 3 years meaningfully, when it matters, and not working now. It’s just becoming more and more devoid of excuses and much easier to see against lesser teams.
Last year I said that it was obvious that Drayton made his team worse and should be fired in season: something I’d rarely do—to stop him taking us down when it mattered. I honestly believe that LaFleur being let go might result in a less bad season. The man is clueless before and during.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 12:09 pm
The HC in Green Bay in 2021... is a sham, dude.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:42 pm
If it’s all Rodgers, it’s all LaFleur anyway. Hire Payton with a brief to bench Rodgers if Rodgers won’t comply. When you are charging headlong into a wall, a change of direction won’t make you much worse off and may just save you.
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 02:13 pm
How do you know? It's just as likely he was hired because he was the guy who agreed to the part in the job description which said "do what you want, but keep Rodgers happy"
Or maybe not and it is all MLF's fault. We're all speculating here.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 12:18 pm
MLF reminds me of Scott Frost as a Huskers fan as well. Bad coaching diminishes the potential of the players
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 12:27 pm
It would be naive to think any coach — even Belichick— has complete autonomy.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 01:14 pm
Tell that to Ariens, Carroll, Shannahan, Doug Pederson, Tomlin, Harbaugh, McVay etc...
Thegreatreynoldo
October 09, 2022 at 08:28 pm
The Giants' OC thoroughly and profoundly out-coached Joe Barry. Giving up 27 to the NYG is difficult to excuse.
That said, I agree that LaFleur and AR are not doing the team any favors by passing twice as much as they run when the strength of the team is in the run game.
splitpea1
October 09, 2022 at 08:50 pm
Barry has a stubbornness problem. He insists on playing a lot of zone, even though his players would probably benefit from more man coverage. There is still confusion in the secondary.
And then he failed to adjust to QB roll-outs in the second half. A Giants analyst speculated that Daboll might have kept D. Jones mostly stationary in the first half to set the Packers up for the second.
MLF and AR probably thought they could take advantage of A. Jackson being out. The offense refuses to be patient and content to move the chains when it should.... Martindale had the final answer with that safety blitz.
Hematite
October 09, 2022 at 12:34 pm
👍
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:07 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 02:19 pm
rodgers can change any play he wants. it doesnt matter what lafleur calls. when things are going good, 12 sticks to the game plan. to me it was evident today after rodgers threw that amazing pass to cobb in the first quarter, that he was feeling himself, and he wanted to keep that going. runs up the gut were working, and in the first half they used them to convert some third downs. but once the Gmen had that 8 minute drive, rodgers decided he was going to bring them back. and it failed. i hope that they will learn from this and adjust, because 12 sees the tape as well. but im afraid that this is most likely wishful thinking.
Bure9620
October 09, 2022 at 04:02 pm
Unfortunately this is what I was thinking as well.
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 01:15 pm
Gute… for not getting Martindale!
gpt999
October 09, 2022 at 04:33 pm
I agree that its hard to find the source(s) to blame. Sure, Rodgers is not Rodgers right now. But at least he has a resume of a great HOF QB. Hiring Barry based his resume was a joke and happened because both he and MFL coached the Rams. As per MLF, its easier to fire Barry now versus the upheaval of a new HC.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 11:44 am
It’s time to stop hiding and face the truth that LaFleur will never win anything that matters. He’s out coached and out thought weekly.
Matt LaFleur was a dead end and will make sure that we stay in one until he is gone.
Desert the running game, hero ball 3 and out after the D has come off a 15 minute drive. The fiction That Adams ball is replaceable by Cobb/Lazard ball. It’s been there for all to see in prior post seasons and in games against weak teams this year. Barry comes out after a good first half and plays passive after LaFleur said that had to stop after last week, the same non effect he had over Pettine.
LaFleur has nowhere to hide. No basis to assert competence left. As long as he’s here we aren’t going to a Super Bowl.
edp1959
October 09, 2022 at 11:48 am
But Joe Barry is the greatest hire ever. Don’t you love that top 5 defense.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 11:59 am
I know right most of the comments blaming mostly on offense when before off season we all Spoke about growing pains on this offense and defense will be top 5 and will carry us to championship.
Even thought we scored today and equalled the giants at 27 with time on the clock the Giants would've score very easily on this defense.
If the defense giving p 27 points and expecting this offense to score more than that is laughable
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 12:31 pm
So you’re saying the Packers just suck. Given what we just saw, it’s hard to argue.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 11:57 am
Certainly seems to be the pattern with LaFleur. Although I proffer that Rodgers will also "never win anything that matters."
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:09 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 02:19 pm
Amen
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 11:57 am
barry has no balls. bend but dont break is bend until you break. lafleur might as well have a ball gag in his mouth and a butt plug in his ass, cus he has no control over rodgers. or barrry. barry did try a bit of man D but they got beat on a few crossers and that was the end of that. forget about blitzing this team wont do it, even against danny dimes
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 04:22 pm
MLF’s new holloween costume…..ball in mouth and butt plug……wait he has worn that before right?
gpt999
October 09, 2022 at 04:35 pm
Agreed. MLF needs to grow a pair and either force Barry to be aggressive or fire his sorry ass.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 12:15 pm
The key unspoken question -- underneath the questions about the competence of LaFleur -- is whether Rodgers is undermining LaFleur?
Then again, as you write above, Coldworld, it's up to LaFleur to assert his rightful authority over Rodgers -- as head coach over quarterback.
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So, do the Packers do what the Badgers did with Paul Chryst and fire LaFleur early in the season?
Would a new head coach have the backing of the front office to be firm with Rodgers as to who is running the team?
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P.S. Is Rodgers a grumpy old man out there on the field giving off negative vibes that suck the life out of the team; or are any reactions of Rodgers appropriate responses to frustrating mistakes made by others?
Is it possible Rodgers really has thought seriously about retiring the past couple of seasons, and doesn't have the passion and the patience to lead the Packers anymore?
I don't know, but it would be good to find out for the sake of the rest of this season.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 12:19 pm
I'm not saying anything, but we saw what Bissacia did with a crappy Raiders roster last year - oh wait, I guess that is saying something.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:36 pm
Him, or Sean Payton. Simply tell Rodgers to play as instructed or from the bench. That’s on Murphy, so don’t bet on It.
stockholder
October 09, 2022 at 01:05 pm
Better use of the TEs. It didn't happen in the 2nd 1/2. Bel-ichick put in a extra Ot. We haven't seen that yet!
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:36 pm
Him, or Sean Payton. Simply tell Rodgers to play as instructed or from the bench. That’s on Murphy, so don’t bet on It.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:10 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
MainePackFan
October 10, 2022 at 08:44 am
I think Rodgers frustration (head shaking) is with himself. He knows that many of the throws he is making are not up to his standard. He knows when the throw was the problem, and when the route was the problem. His head shaking is most prevalent when it's obvious his accuracy was the problem.
Hematite
October 09, 2022 at 12:35 pm
👍
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 06:44 pm
He wouldn’t fire Mo Drayton until all was lost. Speaks volumes.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 11:45 am
Giants pre snap offense manipulated the Packers' D to be out of position the entire second half. Really a shame because from down to down the defense showed they could stop the run, but they couldnt get off the field on 3rd downs.
Offensively, the need to win in the air is a liability. The need to win with trusted vets is a liability. The first of two "tips" on our last red zone trip wasn't a tip- the QB threw the ball directly into the lineman's upper chest/ shoulder.
Ugh.
As Nagler states, I hope it's a wake up call, but it probably won't be.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 11:52 am
Oppy
You and I have been on the same page for years regarding 12 and this team. This was hardly unexpected. I thought they'd win today - but that doesn't change the fact that they'll choke hard in January.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:02 pm
Yup.
All the arm talent in the world isn't enough to overcome, as you put it, the level hubris displayed.
It truly is a team sport, and all 11 playing together under a unified system will ultimately yield better results than 1 very talented man essentially going the lone-wolf route.
It's absolutely maddening because if 12 would just accept that his job is well defined and make the effort to play within those parameters 85% of the time, the offense could truly be impressive. Instead, he chooses to second guess and tamper with everything, and often ignores open reads because of his trust issues. It's frustrating.
The approach is literally the difference between Brady's and Rodgers' success over the years.. and Brady isn't even 3/4ths as talented as Rodgers.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 12:09 pm
If 12 could have been capable of that, well, I won't delve into his personal life, but there would be some differences there I'd bet.
We'd have won it all in 2011. 2014. 2020. 2021 too.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:13 pm
Ugly truths that many people simply won't entertain.
Packers fans love holding everyone and their mother accountable for failure, so long as it's not their starting QB
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:12 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
JohnnyLogan
October 09, 2022 at 02:34 pm
Brady is far more talented than Rodgers. Not in arm strength, not in accuracy, but Brady is far superior in playing the position of QB. Watching him move around a pocket, hit the open man, and by the will of his personality motivate his teammates are the reasons for all those rings. It's not all because of BB.
All the accolades Rodgers has received over the years, not to say he doesn't deserve them, but they have fed an ego that at this point in his career is hard to tolerate. All the pouting, hero ball, blaming others, and excuses because he has rookie receivers... he simply no longer inspires confidence, and worse, he's not much fun to watch.
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 03:31 pm
The not much fun to watch is key. Is there anything worse than big game Rodgers and his constipated play? Maybe it's games like these where he plays uninspired, dumb football.
It's time for him to quit. He already has, but he's too in love with the money or the attention to leave. Maybe he can come up with a nagging injury that gives his an ego an out & allows him to give his QB spot up.
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 04:03 pm
December, not January this time. Gute is no Ron Wolf. He’s won nothing and Murphy needs to do something FAST.
badaxed
October 10, 2022 at 07:17 am
Howdy Doody do something? LOL! Build a theme park maybee! He already asked Rodgers to not be part of the problem. The Diva IS the problem. Giving the diva 150 million and the only set of keys to the car has sent a message to all who is the driver. Everyone else get in the back seat and buckle up because this driver is drunk with power and is all over the road. Get ready to call a tow truck as we are headed for the ditch.
dobber
October 09, 2022 at 11:54 am
Regularly moving their back in and out of the backfield and forcing the Packers to disclose their coverages.
"Offensively, the need to win in the air is a liability. The need to win with trusted vets is a liability. "
3rd and 2 at the NYG 7 and about 1:40. Good success moving the ball on the ground and Dillon in the backfield. I run that ball, keep the clock moving, and see how it shakes out. We all saw how that played out.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:06 pm
Even more basic than exposing coverages, the Giants knew exactly which pieces to motion to take a defender out of a given gap and create a path to daylight- often for Daniel Jones to simply scamper through.
Very, very frustrating day defensively because the Defense did a great job shutting down the run for the most part the entire game, but they just couldn't string 3 successes in a row to get off the field.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:14 pm
Did it not remind you of MMs last season? We are so darn predictable, so devoid of ideas and we forget about running still. MM had a far far weaker roster. What’s LaFleur’s excuse?
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:38 pm
Dude, you keep on solving the riddle but you refuse to accept it.
There's multiple patterns that remain in the Packers' offensive woes.. We've changed OC's, we changed HC's, the entire staff.. the same issues exist.
What's the common thread? It's #12.
Since 2016 I've been trying to raise the alarm. I've given specifics for people to look into themselves. Nobody wants to hear it.
It. is. 12.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:41 pm
...As talented as he is, there are negatives that come lumped into the package deal.
The worst part is, he uses manipulative language to suggest the blame lies elsewhere. He has zero qualms with laying his shortcomings at the feet of others (typically his coaches).. and does it with double-talk that he can claim isn't technically lying if anyone ever calls him on it. Exactly like the game he played with his vaccination status.
I've literally been pointing this out for 6 years and counting. It. is. 12.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 01:04 pm
I don’t refuse to accept it. I said retaining Rodgers this year was more likely than not crazy with this roster. I am simply saying that LaFkeur is just as much the problem and would show this year if he had anything to bring to the table. He doesn’t. If there is a difference in saying that LaFleur is a waste of space and Rodgers hadn’t grasped reality (as a goid coach would make him).
I had a bad feeling when Rodgers called for a bigger role for Cobb this week. Not because if Cobb per se, he was good this week when used appropriately, but because it showed Ridgers just doesn’t get the fact that Cobb and Lazard aren’t going to take us anywhere alone and teams now already double civer Doubs (which tells its own story).
Yet again we went into this without Toure and Watson was just a gadget. It’s a doomed, fruitless strategy rooted in delusion. To continue with this will just be an ugly encore too far. My point is that LaFleur is at least as culpable.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:14 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 01:09 pm
Hey, wait, I may have expressed some concerns about Rodgers here and there ;-).
Hematite
October 09, 2022 at 03:07 pm
👍
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 09:31 pm
Arise Sir Oppy! You were and are right.
packerbackerjim
October 09, 2022 at 03:14 pm
3rd and 2, 1:40 left, AJ. It’s what you drafted him for. I’ve seen this scenario several times before. Failure every time.
But the game overall was lost in the trenches, as most games are.
BruceC1960
October 09, 2022 at 06:18 pm
Giants 28th against the run.
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 01:17 pm
The only WAKE UP CALL is for the fans I’m afraid. This is a 9 win team..
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 04:21 pm
Who do you think they may win over aditional 7 games? Maybe Washington. MM will get his revenge. Philly? Jets? Miami? Bills? Viqueens? Maybe 2× Lions plus Bears. Titans? So, I see 6 or 7 wins total!
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 02:27 pm
whats funny is that theyve been good on 3rd down all season, and bad on first and second. they adjusted and really put it to saquan, except for that stupid 40 yard run out of the wildcat. today it was 3rd downs that were an issue.
SinceLombardi
October 09, 2022 at 04:00 pm
I would remind Aaron Nagler of the wake up call regarding Maurice Drayton last year..how did that go?
I would expect to wake up to Joe Barry in December when their season ends.
The wake up call is for the fans…expect 8 or 9 wins in 2022.
ddepula418
October 09, 2022 at 11:45 am
Totally outreached and outplayed. Defense is awful.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 11:47 am
Front 7 was decent outside of one big play. D-backs looked completely confused. Barry is the problem, not the players. The Packers have too much talent to be this bad. MLF and Rodgers are the problem on offense too. Honestly Rich Bissacia is our best coach right now. Maybe we should fire MLF and make him interim HC.
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 02:29 pm
i think your dead on. team was clearly outcoached today. barry wants to play zone, but i dont think the back seven have the brains for it. there aggressive see ball hit ball types. theres always somebody out of position. wink wouldve been awesome for this team. you might as well just blitz in todays nfl, cus if you stay back and cover your gonna get a defensive holding anyway.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 11:49 am
Offense is worse than awful! Aaron Rodgers played like UDFA on his first time in NFL game.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 12:01 pm
And how did the defense play...Any mention on their play.
Agreed the offense starting with Arod played poor in the 2nd half but letting giants offense with no weapons score 27.
That too after drafting high picks and ourselves boasting this would be a top defense this off season
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:30 pm
Well in the first half. Passively in the second.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 01:12 pm
In the first half giants had out of 4 of the drives they scored10 points with two successful drives. I dont think that is playing well against a team that is already without their Primary wr's isn't it?
They played okish first half and played poor second and offense played poor in the second half.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 04:28 pm
And offense played well? Vs team that was missing important DL player and top CB is rookie? Yeah, you are right. Packers OL is very bad in pass protection. Blitzes mostly comes to the target. Only what was working was ground game and Packers O did not use it enough. So, you say offense played well? Ha.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 04:35 pm
Well they infact played well in the first half and played poor in the second half. Out of 5 drives they scored on 4 drives i guess in the first half.
Coming to abandoning the run in the second half i am too not happy about not using dillon much when he is getting more yards than jones this game.
Wenis
October 09, 2022 at 11:45 am
Rodgers, Lafleur and Barry aka The Three Stooges Ride Again.
No halftime adjustments.... surprise !
Passing on 3rd and 4th down needing 2 yards.... surprise !
Swiss Cheese defense and turtling up on offense. Lafleur outclassed again.
What a fkn embarrassing display of football
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 12:06 pm
Yes two bone head plays by Rodgers. But again I am pretty sure that giants would've score with time on clock easily against this defense.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 04:31 pm
"Yes two bone head plays by Rodgers."
Only two? Did you watch the game. There was at least 6 or 7 errant deep passes that was completely uncatchable.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 04:46 pm
Lol I was referring to the last drive 3rd and 4th down passes that is what i am talking about and agreeing to the above person of being runs instead. BTW coming to errants throws all of those didn't impact the game only few did like the throws he heaved that 3 and out drive and also the last drive at 3 and 2 which would almost have been picked. 4th down is a blitz which is expected but they should've gone for run on the 3rd and 2nd.
RichBeckman
October 09, 2022 at 01:51 pm
No halftime adjustments?
I thought they took what worked in the first half and stopped doing it.
JerseyCheese
October 09, 2022 at 11:46 am
This team SUCKS!
Sorry to say it but it's a reality at this point. The defense was supposed to be a top defense coming into this season and they can't stop a nose bleed. We have no receivers and two of the best backs in the league but continue to pass the ball. Rodgers has the WORST body language in the world. Why would anyone want to play with him? Imagine going to work and every time he sees you he shakes his head.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 11:50 am
I know...I was optimistic last week that they could turn it around and win the SB, but not with these coaches and not with washed Rodgers. They should bench him and start Love, honestly. WHY DID WE NOT RUN WHEN WE AVERAGED 5+ YARDS PER CARRY! Also the defense looks confused, but it's not the players' fault. Coaching 100%. We've seen that these players can be good, and we've also seen what good coaching can do for sub-par squads (see Daboll and Wink for the Giants). If this defense had good coaches, THEN they would be great. We have the personel, but not the coaches. Same on O. Bissacia is our best coach at this point honestly
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 11:46 am
If anyone thinks that father time did not catch Aaron Rodgers...
He become unbeliveable imprecise. It is now 3rd game with errant throws. Even Alen Lazards was pissed off after one of his throws in 4th Q.
And what was that with 2 batted passes on 3rd and 4th last Packers possesion?
If Packers catch the wild card for play offs we will be lucky.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 01:38 pm
This team isn’t winning it all. We have seen enough already, but I think is now getting to the point where the realization is widespread that we have seen the start of the end of the era.
The rest of this season is a swan song for an all time great who couldn’t adapt to changed roster reality and one of the least capable head coaches we’ve had in GB. He’s all Rodgers and Adams. He’s naked without his QB/WRs just doing their thing on their own initiative.
We could use the draft picks we didn’t get from Denver. Winning a wild card will only hurt our draft position. It would be better to play youth, start Love, but we will not. We will see more Cobb/Lazard ball impotence from Rodgers and LaFleur.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:18 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
Rossonero
October 09, 2022 at 08:26 pm
Same here, Johnny Blood. I was all in to sell high on Rodgers while the going was good...could've gotten a boatload of picks to set this franchise up for years to come. But, alas....the price will go down after this season. To sell high after too back-to-back MVP seasons may have seemed strange, but the time was right to do it. It's too late now.
gpt999
October 09, 2022 at 04:40 pm
I agree they will be luckly IF they can get a wild card in the playoffs. Paying AR $50Mil a season sure doesn't look good now. But its hard to say its basically his fault. I like his resume a lot more than I do some of the other "suspects" on this team...
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 04:54 pm
Yes they should've let him go to denver. Keeping him is one of the wrong decision packer's did this season as the market for qb's is really high this year. As a result we had to pay him morel
Letting him go would've been a win win situation for both GB and Denver. Looking at the difference we have with vikings in terms of no. of wins in the division and also we lost two games in nfc. With stacked NFC east looks like it'll be really hard for packers to sneak in to the wildcard.
Tingham
October 09, 2022 at 11:46 am
Looking more and more like this team is just not that good. A couple more games like this and we will be talking about draft choices in the top part of the draft.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 12:29 pm
I was thinking about draft choices after the game, but what's the point, if this charade continues?
GA-Packer
October 09, 2022 at 06:09 pm
I agree. Every team besides the Bears are better. I’m not positive we’ll make the playoffs.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 11:46 am
Yes the D did not play well but that was partially due to the multiple 3 and outs by the O. Once again Rodgers proves that he's only a 2-quarters-per-game QB – with the balance being hero ball. Also he is no longer capable of throwing a good long ball (for a couple of seasons now). So this is worth 50m per year? Ideally I would like to reduce his salary by 50% - this being commensurate to his real value and allowing Love to play half a game.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 12:09 pm
Multiple how many multiple can you mention...In the second half the Offense got ball thrice in the first drive itself they were in the FG range until that sack which is totally on oline.
The only drive that stalled and defense has to play is one that is the second drive.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 12:42 pm
So how many touchdowns and field goals did the Packers score in the 2nd half? A drive is not a drive unless a team scores. And the O did not score is the second half - so...
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 01:09 pm
That wasn't the point you stated up top mentioning the "defense partially struggled becoz of multiple 3 and out's" i just stated the fact that there aren't many 3 and out's . It was only one 3 and out to absolve defense from any blame. No one is denying that offense didnt come up with any points and played some poor football in the second half. But giving 27 points to jones lead offense with PS wr's is even worse than how the offense played today.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 01:44 pm
The Packers were 4-10 on 3rd down efficiency and 0-1 on 4th down efficiency - so 4-11 overall - which ain't good. But that's what $50M gets you.
Packers1985
October 09, 2022 at 02:04 pm
Say all you want to say. I was just stating the facts that in response to what you said above that there aren't many 3 and out's in the second half to absolve defense of any blame. There is only one. The fact is defense gave up 27 points to some random wr's which is lead by bummed offense.
When offense was moving the ball well in the first half even then the defense gave up 10 points what do you say about that. The secondary is all mess all night long. Gave up too many 3rd and longs. Do you expect this offense who doesn't have true wr1 and true TE and also two rookies to score more than 27 you got to be delusional. Remember that when we had a top offense in 2020 we were scoring only 31 or 33 points a game.
Coming to 50M yes who said he is not to be blamed. For that drive where we went 3 and out and when we went to tie the game we didn't run the ball at 3 and 2 are definitely on him.
But the main fact is year after year drafting high picks on defense and completely ignoring the offense isn't going and isn't going to help the aging QB when the def isn't playing to what they were told they would be this off season.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 04:35 pm
6 to 7 consecutive 3 and outs!
coolhand
October 10, 2022 at 09:16 am
There was point in the 2nd half, we had the Giants in a 3rd and 12, and our d backs were playing so far off the receivers they were 15 yards downfield and guess what happens? No pass rush, Jones hits his wide open receiver at 10 yards and he doesn't get hit by a d back until he has the first down. What kind of defense is that? I would have fired Barry immediately after that play.
DragonSilk
October 09, 2022 at 11:47 am
Rodgers is starting to remind me of Favre in the Sherman years. When he throws it deep, I just hold my breath and hope nothing bad happens.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 11:48 am
STARTING?
LOL dude. Aaron Charles Rodgers has been a team liability when it mattered since 2014.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:20 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
October 10, 2022 at 10:29 am
This is what happens when decisions are made based on fear. Packers hierarchy are a bunch of cowards. They make cowardly decisions on and off the field ad nauseum. Mark Murphy's mandatory retirement age cant come soon enough cuz there needs to be a complete overhaul of the front office.
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 12:04 pm
There was more life in Favre’s arm. Rodgers’ arm looks tired. In fact, he looks tired period.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 11:48 am
"I think Aaron Rodgers just sailed another errant deep ball to the sidelines at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium"
THIS. Passing the ball like it's 2011 WILL end this team's season. They missed their SB window in 2020 and 2021 to a lesser extent. Bringing back Aaron Charles Rodgers when they could have gotten 3 1st round picks for him was the height of stupidity. They'll make the dance. But when they get there, they'll choke again.
12 will piss away the season and blame someone else. MLF will fall on the sword.
They utterly deserved to lose today. LOL frigging idiots. The hubris is unreal.
clarity007
October 09, 2022 at 11:48 am
Simply said. Outcoached and outplayed
tobinrote
October 09, 2022 at 11:50 am
time to clean house and rebuilt. unload high priced over-the-hill players. AR clearly no longer has the skill set needed. Yes, he can occasionally make an amazing throw but you must suffer through the long heaves to nowhere or the short misses. and where is Dillon for when you have 2 yards for a TD on 3rd down and instead put it in the hands of a QB who no longer can get it done. Take the dead money hits for AR and Bahktiari and start the long haul rebuild. and while i am at it, so much for all the hype about a new improved D. i suppose if you want to feel good you can still say we are better than the colts or the broncos, but that is the direction we are heading in.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 11:54 am
Agreed. Trade Bakh, Aaron Jones (age concerns), and FIRE Rodgers, MLF, and Barry. Bissacia is the only good coordinator on this team LOL. Also, the Colts and Broncos have good defenses. We don't even have that. It doesn't matter how much talent is on the D if the coaches are stupid. We should be a top-5 unit but now we're not even a top-10 unit. Better coaches should fix the problem. Gutey tried to set us up for success but Barry, MLF, and Rodgers have shot our chances at a second ring down the drain. Might as well play Jordan Love
Wenis
October 09, 2022 at 01:11 pm
Spot on assessment.
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 01:22 pm
Did anyone else think we looked stouter with Nijman at LT than Bakh? Certainly we ran it well. Either he can play a game or he can’t. Platooning isn’t ideal.
Let’s just can Amari. We didn’t even use him once down Watson. His ball security is a liability and his returns not worth mentioning.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 01:52 pm
I would be more surprised, than not, if Bakh played the entire season. I get the sense that his knee is just being held together by string, glue, prayers and crossed-fingers. In short, he is just another injury waiting to happen - which would be most unfortunate for such a stellar player. However, I think his best days are behind him.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 01:00 pm
The Packers had a golden opportunity to begin a promising new era last season - if they had traded Rodgers. Instead, some of the "deep" thinkers in management decided to bet $ 50M on Rodgers. If this was a horse race, I'm starting to look for a garbage can to toss the ticket into. Also management's "play" has probably decelerated the development of the team.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 01:17 pm
Sometimes, experts are so removed from the real world that they do the stupidest things.
We should only listen to the experts if they listen to the people. At least that seems to be the essence of democracy.
In other words, it goes both ways. We all need each other. We're equals, right?
The greatest enemy of us all seems to be arrogance. It can undermine the best of situations and be the cause of the greatest misery.
***
Good to have you back in the comment section, Alberta_Packer.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 02:41 pm
Thank you Swisch. Speaking of democracy - I would love to see a yearly plebiscite from the Packers stockholders - on important questions regarding the GBP. Perhaps this would mitigate some of hubris and tone-deafness from upper management ("experts'). I know that I'm beginning to draft my "I told you so (about Rodgers)" speech - with Mark Murphy and his sycophants in mind.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:23 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
October 10, 2022 at 10:31 am
Problem is theyve already forced so much money into the future that they really cant tear things down right now. They sold the soul of this once great organization to the devil himself and now they're stuck with him.
jhtobias
October 09, 2022 at 11:51 am
Let me guess lafluer press conference we need to tackle better , less penalties . Run the ball better. Truth is packers are who they are. A badly coached team . If gute had any sack he would tell lafluer fire joe berry or I will. Get an offensive play caller or I will. Neither will happen
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 01:25 pm
Fire LaFleur. He’s a HC whose never had an aggressive DC. He turned Pettine away from a rush led D to one premised on stopping the big play. Do it for many other reasons, but let’s not forget that. Coaches set the tone for their subordinates and teams.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 03:06 pm
I would love to see what Sean Payton could do with this team. However there seems to be some sort of dysfunctional three-way love triangle between LaFleur, Rodgers and Murphy that ensures LaFleur's tenure.
gpt999
October 09, 2022 at 04:19 pm
MLF needs to admit publicly that he again was outcoached and grow a pair!
showmefan
October 09, 2022 at 11:53 am
Pretenders!!!
JerseyAl
October 10, 2022 at 07:05 pm
Stop Your Sobbing...
Lare
October 09, 2022 at 11:53 am
Worst defense in the NFL.
Booner
October 09, 2022 at 11:55 am
I got up early to watch that shit hole of a game!
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 11:56 am
As a Huskers fan, this reminds me so much of the trajectory that Scott Frost was on before he was fired. I think we need to clean house, fire Barry and MLF, and trade D-Bak and Aaron Jones (age concerns). Also TELL RODGERS TO GO BACK TO SOUTH AMERICA AND SMOKE WEED - he's better at that than throwing the football.
kozmo
October 09, 2022 at 11:56 am
Why oh WHY didn't they run the ball with a minute left on 3rd down inside the 5....2 timeouts left...get the first, score the td while killing the clock and go into OT....I just dont get it.
And why do they insist on running verticals when they were shreading the Giants defense running the ball and that short quick pass game. Im sorry I just dont get it
cheddarhead
October 09, 2022 at 01:31 pm
Your spot on. All we heard all off season was our running backs. In a big game situation nothing. 2 crappy passes.
buckyor
October 09, 2022 at 11:57 am
Offensively the Packers refuse to run the ball for extended periods. It was most noticeable today but has been a problem all year (and beyond, tbh).
Defensively, this team has far too much talent to play as passively as they do. The total is less than the sum of the parts. They allow the offense to dictate to them how the game will go. When they play aggressively they look quite good. But they only do that a handful of times a game.
TarynsEyes
October 09, 2022 at 11:57 am
I'm quoting myself here from Cory's article yesterday.
“There should be no issue for GB to win by double digits on Sunday, though I did bet them down to -3 on a teaser play. Previous play insecurity and first time in London compelled me to buy away some angst.”
Why, after the Giants tied the game at 20 did Rodgers or MLF come out with 3 deep balls when the run game was still a strong option. Hero ball kills. Lazard didn't have a chance on a ball, even if it wasn't deflected on that 4th down pass.
This team has just given increased hope to teams like the Jets and Wash that they can win.
The Offense is a mess for half a game, and that makes every game more a possibility for a loss.
The Defense, especially the backend, is a killer of good front plays.
Did Rodgers ever stop shaking his head while the Defense was on the field?
At least they maintained one point. They continue to make the much lesser QB look like the Rodgers we once had.
All the preseason ballyhoo about the rookie receivers is looking more like the bias scouting and reporting I try hard not to buy into.
I await the stat lovers to tell me the Packers played well or better.
Last week was a Wholly Shit game, this loss has their feet embedded in that Wholly Shit pile.
NickPerry
October 09, 2022 at 11:57 am
I'm finally in 100% agreement with Coldworld... This team's BIGGEST problem is MLF. That was a horribly called game. WHERE in the hell was AJ Dillon? He was hardly in the game and had only 6 carries.
Joe Barry has NO IDEA what to do with this personnel. I honestly believe this Defense has the talent to be a top 5 defense. BUT, with Barry coaching, they'll be lucky to finish in the top 20 to 25.
3rd and 1 from the Giants 6 yard line and Dillon who by the way was averaging 5.7 YPC with his RAT ASS 6 CARRIES (Way to go LaFleur...Way to use your strength of the offense) doesn't touch the ball and IIRC wasn't on the field. No F'NG EXCUSE!!!!
Fucking Hero ball is alive and well in Green Bay (Well England today). What in the hell was the 3 and out late in the 4th quarter? The Packers ran the ball just 20 times and averaged 4.7 YPC. That's ALL on MLF. Even if he's calling running plays and Rodgers opts out of it, it's up to LaFleur to put on his Big Boy pants and put Rodgers in check.
Speaking of putting Rodgers in check... Someone really needs to tell him his haircut is absolutely positively RIDICULOUS!!!
I'm too pissed off to even say much more.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 12:00 pm
The problem isn't primarily MLF. It's Aaron Rodgers and Mark Murphy backing him up at all costs. Nagler said the 3 and out was the swing time for the game. I agree. And what did the offense do? 3 and out with 3 passes. Who is that on? The HC or the QB? I'd suggest the one with the most power in the org - and it's not the HC.
uncle10
October 09, 2022 at 12:07 pm
That fucking Ego needs to be squashed!
Coldworld
October 09, 2022 at 12:53 pm
That’s only happening if we accept he needs to go to the bench, and maybe not then. Whomever you view as the prime culprit, the loss if Adams and MVS has just shown up the reality that Rodgers ball doesn’t work and LaFleur can’t coach strategically or tactically.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 01:09 pm
Do you ever consider possibility that Davante decided to go because of Diva?
I doubt that he is in love with Carr that much that he just threw away possibility to win the ring. Maybe he was aware that winning SB will never be possible with Diva at helm.
TarynsEyes
October 09, 2022 at 01:26 pm
“I doubt that he is in love with Carr that much that he just threw away possibility to win the ring. Maybe he was aware that winning SB will never be possible with Diva at helm.”
Adams wasn't winning an SB with either Carr or Rodgers.
croatpackfan
October 09, 2022 at 04:46 pm
Of course, but working (playing) is always much more pleasent in good atmosphere than under the I know everything person. That kind of persons polutes atmosphere of the group (team). And that always lead to crash.
It is even worth less money just to live pleasently. And that is what Davante did. He refused higher offer from Packers and accepted lower from Raiders. Davante knows that he is not going to win SB, as Diva will never do again.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:28 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
Hematite
October 09, 2022 at 12:47 pm
👍
Lare
October 09, 2022 at 01:04 pm
Rodgers' haircut makes him look like he's trying to look like a high school freshman.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 01:21 pm
That seems to be his level of maturity these days, which makes it hard for him to lead a group of men to a championship.
marpag1
October 09, 2022 at 02:49 pm
LOL. Some people might question the level of maturity involved in criticizing a dude's haircut as if it somehow mattered.
Alberta_Packer
October 09, 2022 at 03:14 pm
A valid comment marpag1 - normally. However we're talking about A.R. - so...
Hematite
October 09, 2022 at 03:21 pm
👍
SteelyPhil
October 09, 2022 at 11:59 am
Hard not to overreact to this loss when we've watched this team run the same script since 2019. You can predict the implosion every single game. When was the last time the offense and the defense played complementary football for 4 quarters?
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 12:48 pm
I know right? When that second drive ran into a 3rd down situation around the Gint’s 40 and Rodgers took a timeout, i thought to myself “here’s where he takes a sack.”
Sure enough, Rodgers got sacked & they were out of FG range.
The only surprise was that it wasn’t so much Rodgers doing dumb stuff as it was the crappy oline buckling under pressure. If they can’t stop the other when they need to, the offense will sputter. (And on the other side, they couldn’t get to Jones enough to make him do Daniel Jones stuff.)
chitter23
October 09, 2022 at 03:27 pm
Since 2009. Rodgers' led teams get out front and then suck it up and force the defense to hang on for dear life. It dates back to XLV.
cinpackback
October 09, 2022 at 04:39 pm
😢
Irish_Cheesehead
October 09, 2022 at 12:00 pm
I'll always stand behind this team, but I can't understand why, when the other team gets momentum and you need a quality drive to re-establish your offense and give your defense a rest, Rodgers reverts to throwing 50-50 balls deep downfield. That 3-and-out when the game was tied 20-20 killed us. We fell short the final drive but got back to what was working - Jones, Tonyan, Dillon, etc. That's the one part of Rodgers play that pisses me off.
Bearmeat
October 09, 2022 at 12:01 pm
I can tell you why: Ego. He thinks he's 2011-2014 Aaron Rodgers. He's not. And a humble man would see that. This, more than anything else, is why they should have shipped his ass to Siberia for 3 1st round picks this past offseason.
Hematite
October 09, 2022 at 12:48 pm
👍
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 02:30 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
gpt999
October 09, 2022 at 04:53 pm
This is the only part of his game that pisses you off? How about adding
1. His reluctance to throw to new receivers? Especially C Watson?
2. His childlike facial expressions and body motions when things go wrong?
3. His "thousand yard stare" like he is suffering from PTSD after a bad play?
4. His monstrous ego?
5. His deteriorating level of play?
I could go on. And I'm not trying to pin everything wrong on him. My point is that a 4 time MVP and "veteran leader" of this club needs to be an "effective leader" of this club. Not a cry baby...
VacavilleBill
October 09, 2022 at 12:01 pm
Who knows what the play calls are from MLF. Rodgers can change them pretty much any time he wants.
Two passes to get two yards? With those two backs? I don’t believe The coach, any coach would call those plays, not with jones and Dillon and two or three time outs. Crazy. I’m so fucking tired of Rodgers, I would rather go 7 and ten while Love gets playing time.
Joe Barry is failing. Too much talent on that D to let an injured mediocre QB with a depleted second rate group of receivers score 27 points this week and let a third string rookie take GB to OT at home last week.
Not sure if this is fixable with Rodgers on this team and Barry calling the D.
Ohh and Cut Amari Rodgers before you leave the UK.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 12:14 pm
Man do I agree with this!
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 12:35 pm
I agree
dobber
October 09, 2022 at 12:01 pm
Plenty of blame to go around. No offense in the second half, and only 2 possessions--no points. Defense gassed and gashed in the second half. They looked like a team playing with jet lag across the board, whether they were lagged or not.
Game-turning play: Lowry missing the tackle on the double reverse in the red zone.
I think the Giants just completed another intermediate crosser.
No downfield chemistry on this team.
Watson back on the shelf with a hammy.
I expected ugly. I guess I got what I expected.
13TimeChamps
October 09, 2022 at 12:02 pm
Christian Watson was drafted for his speed to be our deep ball threat and we're throwing him 1 yard passes, while we're throwing deep to Cobb and Lazard. Everyone knew after Watson dropped that long pass in game 1, he wasn't seeing another one. Rodgers "trust issues" are really getting old.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 12:12 pm
Agree it's like he's punishing him. But who does that hurt in the end?
jlc1
October 09, 2022 at 01:18 pm
How many short passes like that did Nelson or Adams turn into good 7, 8 or more yard gains. Oops did I say something about Rodgers using Watson the way he used those two? How could that be if he doesn't trust him? My bad.
hesoder
October 09, 2022 at 12:04 pm
Two holding calls on Rasul took two 1st play of the drive sacks off the board. Defense immediately got gashed for points after both of them.
jlc1
October 09, 2022 at 01:19 pm
Bingo.
Thegravedigger
October 09, 2022 at 04:47 pm
yeah. the refs were letting that shit go earlier in the season, now theyre calling everything. rasul and the gang have to adjust accordingly.
egbertsouse
October 09, 2022 at 12:05 pm
MLF only flapped his arms once today that I saw. Maybe his arms were tired from flying all that way from GB…..
Rebecca
October 09, 2022 at 12:50 pm
Laughing and crying at the same time! Good one.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 12:57 pm
That is super funny! Almost more hilarious than the Packers' play calling
Renllaw
October 09, 2022 at 12:05 pm
The front office and coaching staff are not on the same page. Gute drafted in your face aggressive defenders, and LaFleur hired a passive zone scheme coach. Gute drafts O-Lineman & Dillon to transition to a run team, LaFluer passes on 60% of the plays. Today we averaged 4.7 yards per carry. And yet abandoned the run when we had a LEAD... Dillon only had 6 carries, 5.7 ypc average…… Just mind blowing.
Kkolsrud
October 09, 2022 at 12:54 pm
Great post. Best assessment yet. You are 100% correct. I look forward to other observations.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 12:06 pm
Offense is dysfunctional. If they insist on throwing to only one receiver of choice, (Lazard,Cobb or occasionally Doubs per series essentially) they must also include Aaron Jones in the receiving game. As Nagler points out run the offense basically through him. Since they fail to recognize this over and over the team is dysfunctional. Too much damn talent to have an abomination game like this one.
VacavilleBill
October 09, 2022 at 12:10 pm
I think much of the issue with the O is Rodgers. I think his talent level is still pretty good but his ego and his narcissistic personality are affecting this whole team.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 12:37 pm
Oh there's no doubt the source of the problem I referred to in the offense being dysfunctional. He is the Offense in his mind. That means our fearless leader on the field who clearly doesn't want to be told what to do by anybody, is going to continue to do it his way and lead us to hell.
stockholder
October 09, 2022 at 12:08 pm
Throwing deep, took them out of this game. Rodgers is still looking for an Adams! He should have went over the middle, when they line up wide! Seems the best way to beat this club is with TEs. Wish we had that! And Why does Slaton stand up on the goal line; when this front needs to submarine? I don't mind throwing the ball. Just forget the soft touch!
uncle10
October 09, 2022 at 12:12 pm
Hot Garbage. Defense won't adjust. Offense can't adjust (Hero ball at QB1). We have the talent, we don't have the leadership.
LeotisHarris
October 09, 2022 at 12:13 pm
Just a horseshit way to start a Sunday. Embarrassing performance.
We were unable to overcome the power of an Offense with second string receivers, a dinged up QB, and a world-class RB. A loss to the Jets is a real possibility.
Seems I'm stuck in a world of denial watching a team with a ton of talent flounder against inferior opponents. Something dramatic needs to happen to bring about change, but we all know things move s l o w l y at 1265.
Third and two, and then fourth and two. Dillion time, right? Game on the line? F*ck!
VacavilleBill
October 09, 2022 at 12:13 pm
Hey Cheesehead TV, new idea for Merch. I would buy an ARod sucks hat, hoodie and a t from you.
splitpea1
October 09, 2022 at 12:21 pm
Only, and I mean only, the Packers can find a way to blow a 17-3 with an MVP (LOL!) QB, a potent running game, and plenty of talent on the defensive side. I can't believe this!
Barry's defense: terrible on the perimeter, soft coverage, not enough pressure up the middle....Did you see the way Martindales's defense played in the second half with tight coverage and the DL with their arms up on the way to Rodgers? Savage: another missed big missed tackle, and Douglas had what, three penalties? One sack and zero turnovers against a non-mobile QB: pathetic.
The offense was jamming in the first half with all kinds of well-executed screens (also a couple of Deguara sightings), but no, that can't continue because Rodgers needs to heave the ball deep, usually to no avail. Scoreless in the second half=total bullshit.
For those of you who don't want to see Rodgers go, maybe you'd like to reconsider....
Watson injured again? Gee, what a surprise!
Special teams: Nice tackle by Ford early on; nice job by the FG unit getting out there and succeeding with time running down.
In short, MLF can't put the reins on Rodgers and Barry isn't putting his talent in a position to succeed. The way we're playing right now, we should count ourselves fortunate to capture the last playoff seed, or maybe even a winning record.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 12:41 pm
It is a disaster isn't it? I was commenting the first or second play of the first half, after Gary's sack (that of course was called back by a bone-headed penalty also are specialty )that the Packers are magnets for disaster and most of all, even though this is only the first play of the second half, as always, they didn't adjust. They didn't recover and we all saw the sad ending.
badaxed
October 09, 2022 at 11:21 pm
Playoffs? Playoffs? Are you out of your effin mind? If Packer management does not have some serious conversations within there will not be any playoffs for a long time. You cannot wish problems away. Players are disgruntled on both offense and defense. Coaches are not being held accountable ( other than special teams). Gute and Howdy Doody better get the whips out or they will be eventually have their feet to the fire.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 12:21 pm
MLF reminds me of Scott Frost as a Huskers fan as well. Bad coaching diminishes the potential of the players
I'm not saying anything, but we saw what Bissacia did with a crappy Raiders roster last year - oh wait, I guess that is saying something.
MITM
October 09, 2022 at 12:22 pm
Rasul Douglas and Devondre Campbell were JAGs before they came to Green Bay, and reverted right back to being JAGs once they got paid. Quay Walker is COMPLETELY LOST. Joe Barry is an abortion of a D coordinator but he always was. He's a positional coach, nothing more.
Christian Watson over George Pickens
Quay Walker over Devin Lloyd
2 mistakes that are already haunting us 5 games into the season. Once again we go athletic profiles and body length over FOOTBALL PLAYERS in the draft.
Daboll outcoached Lafluer all the way to Spain. It was embarrassing. Get ready to lose to the Jets next week
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 12:33 pm
That's actually not a bad strategy if you have the coaches to develop those players. We do not.
Wilment
October 09, 2022 at 12:25 pm
Houston, we got a problem.....or six Why in Gods name didnt we play more power football and RUN THE BALL? We have a running back that can power through people in Dillon and AJ, who IS your best receiver, in or out of the backfield. Why after a long drive are three straight passing plays called? The secondary is operating like a Chinese fire drill. Time to cut the bullshit, and get back to doing what the offense of this team is meant to do, run , motion, and use the run to set up the pass. I just cant see how you squander a two td lead. Time to man up and get it right. We were damn near beaten by a rookie qb last week, this week, Daniel "Im 14-25 as a starter" Jones, looked like Johnny Unitas. I wouldnt want to be on that flight from London to Ohare........GO PACK., PLEAAAAAAAASE.
stockholder
October 09, 2022 at 12:50 pm
If you look at the stats. They got away from the Tes. Lewis caught his first TD since 2020. And Rodgers went long on the wrong downs. If you graph Rodgers throws. And where he completes them. The defense knew how to shut it down. Dillion should have stepped up.
PackyCheese500
October 09, 2022 at 01:05 pm
but Dillon couldn't b/c of MLF's boneheaded play calling. I started him in fantasy today and regret it sorely
Packerpasty
October 09, 2022 at 01:11 pm
because MLF want a high flying offense so he will look like an offensive genius...some of those calls in the second half were just befuddling...bad stuff..
VacavilleBill
October 09, 2022 at 01:20 pm
I think the play calling is mostly on Rodgers
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:28 pm
I feel the need to say I don't think this game marks the end of the Packers' season.
They will bounce back and they will go on a run. They're not there yet. I feel like the defense hasn't found its rhythm (clearly), but they've shown they have the horses to get it done and have shown they can take over the LOS, stop a strong rush attack, and shut down the back end.. they just haven't put it all together yet. I expect that we'll have a better idea what the defense really is between games 7-12.
I'm actually more concerned with the offense at this point, because it's the same pitfalls and stalls we see week in and week out, whereas the defense is feeling its way around. Let's not forget.. the Defense, as spotty as it has been, is averaging giving up less than 20 per game right now. The points scored / points against for the Packers in 2022 is 97 / 96 as of right now. That puts the Packers offense in the bottom 3rd of the league, and the Packers defense in the top half.
This team will do better down the stretch.
dobber
October 09, 2022 at 12:39 pm
First time I read it, I thought that last phrase was, "down the stench."
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:47 pm
That's gotta be comment of the week, Dobber
Coldworld
October 10, 2022 at 12:26 am
Yes, they won’t lose them all, but this isn’t about losing a game, it’s about repeating the same patterns of futility and the fact that they are so wide ranging, fundamental and the excuses are peeling away over time.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 12:46 pm
Will the team do better down the stretch . . . only to fail in the playoffs against the first physical defense?
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 12:53 pm
Remains to be seen.
Despite the pattern, I don't think the physical defense is part of the equation.
I think frustration is what beats the Packers in big games.
If it's a grindy game, and Rodgers isn't playing with a lead, he gets impatient and tends to not trust the players around him (with select exception.) He reverts to bad habits.
jlc1
October 09, 2022 at 01:01 pm
You are right about him not playing well without a lead but what exactly happened today? They had the lead and did not play grindy. This is on MLF I'm sure. He sure seems to miss Hackett.
As for MLF I think when he was OC in Tennessee he did not fully see the potential of Henry. When MLF left the new OC unleashed Henry and that became a very good football team. MLF is a good coach but it is increasingly evident that is at best good, nothing more.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
October 10, 2022 at 12:59 pm
Actually, Henry had his breakout season while Lafleur was there. The entire offense ran through Henry and they won a bunch of games down the stretch nearly clinching a playoff spot in the process. Lafleur knew exactly what he had with Henry (who had 2 forgettable seasons prior to Lafleur's arrival) and called plays accordingly. Arthur Smith then replaced Lafleur as OC and used the exact same offense Lafleur had already installed.
barutanseijin
October 09, 2022 at 12:57 pm
Playoffs???!
Rebecca
October 09, 2022 at 01:08 pm
How much better. Same coaches, same bullshit. This is a poorly coached team. There’s nothing special about the Packers brand anymore. This is an organization without a sense of urgency about winning the trophy 🏆.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 10:07 pm
Kinda surprised my level headed, objective comment today is the one that gets the bad like/dislike ratio
lol, Packers fans.. no accounting for 'em
MooPack
October 09, 2022 at 12:36 pm
Anyone notice the confusion MLF had on in face in the 4th Q during a time out and him and Rodgers are in discussion? Seemed to me Rodgers was in charge of conversation and Matt was capitulating. IMO, that should never happen. Think Holmgren. Never any doubt he was in charge. If MLF can't reign in his QB's MVP ego, then there will continue to be a serious problem. Especially when the QB is altering to failed plays when it really counts. Rodgers failure of ability to rise above the moment is becoming a death nail to this team. Tired of "trust". Done with "trust". GET. THE. JOB. DONE!
Barry? Please.
Didn't think I'd ever think this, but the SP team coach Bisaccia is the teams best coach at this time.
Can't wait for the wave of excuse maker posters to chime in.
jlc1
October 09, 2022 at 12:57 pm
The excuse makers may have more facts than watching two guys talking on the sideline.
One truth - throughout the long drives by the Pack Rodgers was calling "can, can, can". Now if everyone other than the Rodgers haters is right that means we are changing to the second play called. And those drives were successful. Hearing "can, can, can" is the only way we know for sure that he changes a play and today it worked. You can look it up.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 01:39 pm
"can, can, can" indicates it's the built-in 2nd play, you are correct.
And that means the original play call was successful, because it is the pre-canned option built into the original play call if the defense shows a certain look.
That's Rodgers executing the offense, not Rodgers changing the play call.
VacavilleBill
October 09, 2022 at 01:22 pm
Yep. Leadership issues for sure. Arron Rodgers is too self absorbed.
chitter23
October 09, 2022 at 03:22 pm
Blame Murphy and Gute. They knew he was a lying, anti-vaxx, gaslighting diva with thin skin and control issues and they bent over backwards, paid him $50 million a year, and chopped Lafleur's nuts off in the process. This is all on Murphy and Gute giving Rodgers the moon. Lafleur is a hostage in this.
Oppy
October 09, 2022 at 10:12 pm
Gute drafted Rodgers' replacement.
Gute has built a roster that is clearly tailored for a QB transition, prioritizing defense, RBs, and rebuilding the OL.
Gute isn't the one who decided to stick with Rodgers. Gute's plan was clearly to replace him.
Someone told Gute "we're keeping Rodgers."
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
October 10, 2022 at 01:03 pm
You can narrow it down even further to Murphy. Its not a coincidence that Rodgers' new contract ends right at Murphy's mandatory retirement age. Gute drafted the replacement 3 years ago. Murphy wont let the transition occur.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 12:39 pm
Reading through reactions to this game, I wonder why in the past my comments of concern about arrogant Aaron Rodgers have been so unpopular?
If it's a joke here at CHTV that I hold up Bart Starr as a role model for unassuming excellence as the field leader for an incredible five championships in seven seasons, then it looks like I may have the last laugh.
Only, I'm too devoted to the Packers -- for more than 50 years -- to laugh.
I've said all along that a team can't win big games if the quarterback is undermining the head coach, which seems to be the case for a long while with the Packers.
It's been lonely being rejected so often by so many other fans -- even to the point of saying I have a grudge against Rodgers instead of legitimate reasons for unease -- but I do appreciate those few who have been supportive.
By the way, I'm still rooting for Rodgers to turn around his attitude so as to step up as a leader of men -- but as I've stated before, fans enabling Rodgers to be a diva isn't going to help him, or us.
jlc1
October 09, 2022 at 01:03 pm
Fans enabling Rodgers? You think he reads your comments or mine? I don't think so. We just vent here, the Packers don't care.
Rebecca
October 09, 2022 at 01:12 pm
This blog isn’t about you. Get over yourself. Geez.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 01:31 pm
What's wrong with speaking with honestly about how I think and feel?
Maybe the haters should simply skim or skip over my comments, and not be so obsessed by them as to heap ridicule upon me.
Geez.
Rebecca
October 09, 2022 at 03:41 pm
I’m sorry for hurting your feelings.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 06:07 pm
In general here at CHTV, I'm glad for sincere disagreement in a spirit of camaraderie, but do get dejected by scorn and ridicule and other unwarranted negativity.
Perhaps that makes me overly sensitive, but why would I come here to be put down without good reasons and good intentions?
Also, if I wanted to write my opinions about the Packers just for myself, then I could do that in a personal diary.
I like vigorous discussion with give-and-take and even some good-natured rough-and-tumble, but not snideness or dismissiveness.
***
My best to you, Rebecca and all the fans here at CHTV without exception.
None of us are going to be perfect in our manners in every comment, but we can try for an overall positivity -- with disagreement that isn't disagreeable.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 01:21 pm
"If it's a joke here at CHTV that I hold up Bart Starr as a role model for unassuming excellence as the field leader for an incredible five championships in seven seasons, then"
My generation! That's a standard of excellence I share and I think all here would agree we are compelled to use when evaluating a quarterback. I watched it with Bart, and for that I can not bear to watch this version if it continues much longer.
Swisch
October 09, 2022 at 01:42 pm
Thanks so much for the backing, Tundraboy.
There seems to be a pervasive mentality that the standards of the past aren't applicable to today. We shouldn't expect the players of today -- or for that matter the fans -- to strive for excellence.
There also seems to be a tendency to believe that high character doesn't matter when it comes to great performance.
Of course, we all fall short of our ideals, but if we don't even try for virtue and valor . . . ?
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Even good Packers fans dismiss the accomplishments of Bart Starr because he was willing to let others get most of the glory.
(Hey, the Colts, Giants, Browns, Bears, and other teams had talented players, too,)
Yet, Starr was a superb craftsman of a quarterback in all of its nuances.
He also developed into a top passer, and was NFL MVP in 1966. In the playoff game for the NFL Championship against the Cowboys that season (the year before the Ice Bowl), Starr threw for 304 yards and four touchdowns for victory.
As a quarterback, greatness is getting the most out of the team, and finding ways to win whenever possible. Starr is the best of all time.
13TimeChamps
October 09, 2022 at 01:55 pm
Someone needs to inform Swisch...but please be gentle...that Bart Starr is no longer the QB for the Packers.
RichBeckman
October 09, 2022 at 02:27 pm
I believe that was his point.
13TimeChamps
October 09, 2022 at 02:49 pm
As it has been the last 50 times he's made the same argument.
Tundraboy
October 09, 2022 at 02:06 pm
Agree! Eloquently and perfectly stated. I would think it would be obvious and never not in vogue that winning when you accomplish it with all your teammates means that much more.To lead along with them.
Johnblood27
October 09, 2022 at 03:54 pm
BINGO!!!!!!!
Again...
I said it all off-season.
THIS was the off-season to let him go. Denver wanted him, Hackett wanted him, he needed to GO GO GO! All the draft capital that Seattle received could have been ours and we would have had love on the clock to prove himself before his 5 year 1st round contract was up.
Really STOOPID organizational decision.
Slim11
October 09, 2022 at 05:32 pm
I posted this over at APC….
What I saw today … and in previous games… is bad pass protection. Jenkins is struggling at RT and Bakhtiari isn’t completely back. If pass protection is bad, then teams will dare the Packers to throw deep (which they can’t.) and it’s working.
The Giants also played a ball control game which kept Rodgers on the sideline AND the Packers’ defense ON the field which wore them down. Eventually, the defense started giving up big plays. The play which I think was most telling was the Jones completion to Barkley(?) across the middle. There wasn’t a defender within 10-15 yards.
This reminds me of 1969. The Packers had a decent defense but stagnant offense. Bart Starr split time with Don Horn at QB. The only running threat was HB Donny Anderson. The only capable receiver was Carrol Dale with a moderately productive TE, Rich McGeorge.
This offense has better weapons. But, those weapons aren’t being used to best effect.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
October 10, 2022 at 01:05 pm
Speaking the truth is often met with blowback in the beginning as it is harder for people to accept. But eventually the truth becomes so blatantly obvious that it becomes easier for people to accept. You and I have been on the same page since I began posting here. We used to be a small minority. I think those days are over. You can only piss in people's faces and call it sweet milk so many times before people begin to taste the piss.
fastmoving
October 09, 2022 at 12:41 pm
Man, AR body language its just like he is. An old diva who lives in a parallel universe on flaterath. To much Ivermectin and strange friends. He should call Rogan for help. Must be the chemtrails who catching up with him. He looks like 60 or something and acts like 80.
But in the end, he sucks the joy out of GB Football, even if we win. Even we never win when it counts since 2011 with few exceptions.
He thinks he is way smarter and better than he is...ever was. He is not a football player and he is "Packer People" even lesssssss.......
jlc1
October 09, 2022 at 12:54 pm
fastmoving you should have checked out Daniel Jones. I saw him shake his head at least twice. He is such a diva!
fastmoving
October 09, 2022 at 01:21 pm
Hahahaaa.......quit the horse dewurmer, man.....look what he did to Grandpa and he looked double his age before. And all his loooser friend from Rogan till his Barstool criminals.....
but just for the record...the flaterather shakes his head all the time and thats his most positiv impression. He was always a indirect agressive coward. Bet you like looosers like that.
VacavilleBill
October 09, 2022 at 01:24 pm
Right on fucking target fast mover. Best post of the day.
fastmoving
October 09, 2022 at 12:42 pm
Man.....................
jeremyjjbrown
October 09, 2022 at 12:47 pm
LaFleur seams to be running out of fresh ideas and Rodgers reacts by flinging the balls deep.
Packerpasty
October 09, 2022 at 01:06 pm
MLF is stagnant...no new ideas...isnt innovative at all...and Barry..he's even worse..Mr Vanilla defensive genius...not pretty...
Rebecca
October 09, 2022 at 01:16 pm
“Flinging the balls deep” sounds a little weird, if not kinky to me. Just sayin’.
Tundraboy
October 10, 2022 at 07:43 pm
I'm not sure he has shown anything fresh that I can recall.
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