Green Bay: 35 Washington: 18

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly from Green Bay's Wild Card win over Washington. 

Aaron Rodgers, JC Tretter, Mike Neal

1st Quarter Offense

Dan Snyder

 

 

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Lynn Dickey 12's picture

January 11, 2016 at 08:15 am

I was also impressed with Peppers in the fourth quarter. "High motor".

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DrealynWilliams's picture

January 11, 2016 at 01:44 pm

I wasn't. He has to be given some sort of pass during the regular season. But he's given no slack during a playoff run. I'm expecting him to show up every-single-game.

Don't be surprised if he plays his best game of the season against the Cards.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 11, 2016 at 02:38 pm

Didn't think about him much with how everyone else played Sunday. I hope your right. That would be a good time for him to have his best game. Our D line will be the key this week imo.

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Oppy's picture

January 11, 2016 at 05:52 pm

Peppers still managed 10.5 sacks and 2 FF on the regular season.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 11, 2016 at 08:20 am

Nick Perry, Rollins Both Good.

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Bearmeat's picture

January 11, 2016 at 08:22 am

G: Tretter, Rodgers (finally!), Perry (wut??)
B: The Washington Redskins Secondary
U: The Minniesoda Vikings. hahahahaha

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DrealynWilliams's picture

January 11, 2016 at 01:40 pm

That dislike came from @Ben. LMAO!

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ben's picture

January 11, 2016 at 07:12 pm

No, but these 2 did.

Hey, I made money on the Packers getting by the Redskins. Cause the redskins are NOT a playoff caliber team.

And the Packers do have a chance of beating the Mathieuless Cards. But only cause Mathieu isn't playing.

But the Packers aren't even the best team in their 4 team division.

No arguments please, this is what objective non-homers would call a fact. The Vikings ended the season with a division title. The Packers season ends by the NFC title game with nothing but disappointment. Again.

Sorry Aaron Rodgers. You're the best ever and deserve better, but because of "in Ted we trust" you're greatness will never be realized. If Rodger's didn't FALL into ted's lap, Ted and MM would have been out of a job 1/2 a decade ago.

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ben's picture

January 11, 2016 at 07:08 pm

Let's do another annual review of Team Need. Shall we?

Let's see.

MLB. Check

TE. Check

DT. Check

S. Check

QB? nope we still have about 5 more years of Aaron Rodgers to waste. Go get'em ted!!! or don't

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4thand1's picture

January 11, 2016 at 07:29 pm

Laces out ben Finkle.

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Oppy's picture

January 11, 2016 at 07:39 pm

DT and Safety, huh?

Umm.. I don't know about that.

Our DL is a strength, and while we could -improve- at Safety, I don't think anyone would classify it as a "Need", and certainly not a weakness.

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Dan Stodola's picture

January 11, 2016 at 08:46 pm

He thinks HHCD is a scrub backup at best. NO CLUE! Might need a DT for depth but they have good rotation players and starters if Raji and Daniels are re-signed. A developmental player to take Guions spot, depending on the DL they drafted last year (Ringo).

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ben's picture

January 12, 2016 at 01:49 am

(Didn't quite say that but )

OH yea! Hasean obviously exceeded expectations as a #1 pick. Has played "out of this world" by all accounts here.

Great in coverage. Great Tackler. Takes great angles as far as the reason you call him the "safety", never gives up the big run. He's never late in coverage over the top. One of the surest tacklers in the open-field I've ever seen.

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ben's picture

January 12, 2016 at 01:45 am

Raji?

Oh BJ Raji. That big guy from Boston College. Yea I remember him.

He had a good 2010.

It's 2016.

I like BJ Raji, but if you bank yet another year of a what could have been dynasty on a player with the 6 year track record of BJ Raji your making the same mistake you made the last 1/2 decade.

Sign him. But don't bet the success of Aaron Rodger and the franchise on him. Him and Sam Barrington. Or him and Brad Jones. Or him Jack Ryan. Or him and Nate Palmer. Or him and Carl Bradford. Or him and AJ hawk.

Him and Eric Kendricks maybe.
HIm, Pennel, and Eric Kendricks, Probably.
Him, Pennel, Kendricks & Ngata, Suh, or Jordan Phillips? Yes. Problem Solved.

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ben's picture

January 12, 2016 at 12:43 am

The Packers defense tied for 29th worst yard/rush given up in the league. Last year tied for 28th...............

I've been posting this same post for almost a decade. Usually with a lot more detail. I'm actually able to cut and past how bad this run defense is from the year before. Year after year after year.

Here. Wait. Oppy, Let me dig it out for you again..........................I think I can go back a full decade now to make look just absolutely silly

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 12, 2016 at 12:46 am

I'd have to agree more with Ben than Oppy and company. I certainly don't see DL as a strength. I view DL as just okay and S as okay plus. Daniels is very good to near elite, Raji is off and on, overall a bit better than average. I've been high on Pennel since his first training camp, but I don't see him as a starter yet. I liked Guion but he isn't as good as Raji at NT and does not look that good at DE. Datone has improved against the run, but he is better off as a situational guy only. If he is your starter, he is a bit below average. Ringo is on the PS - we don't know what he looks like. Boyd was below average - decent against the run with no pass rush at all. I always wondered whether Boyd wouldn't be better at NT. Dix is okay but he is not a good cover FS and his range looks pretty average to me. Burnett is above average as used, but is and always has been below average in coverage. Banjo is a nice back up and Hyde is below average as a FS but I suspect he could play Burnett's role well given reps there.

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zeke's picture

January 12, 2016 at 12:59 am

Speaking of silly, which of these do you like better? I can't decide.

http://backseatfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/FavreINT.mp3

https://vid.me/y8jM

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brewers_rule's picture

January 11, 2016 at 08:46 am

I don't know what to say about this win. I think I'm still a bit in shock. While I don't subscribe to the 'he's back' theories on Twitter about AR being himself again before the game was even over, and some of the scoring seemed pretty gimmicky (Cobb TD was due to Redskins' being caught w/their pants down; TD to Adams was missed flag bc GB wasn't set before snap), it was a nice step in the right direction for the team as a whole. Nice to see the guys smiling again if nothing else. If we can get D-Bak, Shields, and some of the other guys that went out of this game back for AZ, who knows?

I still can think of nothing better than getting Seattle at home in NFC Championship game because for all the rough spots we've endured this season, I can't think of anything that would galvanize this team better than that. Considering they showed they are NOT as good as their hype yesterday at Minnesota (sorry, Vikes; you should've won that one) they may not survive that long, though. Go Pack Go & keep proving me wrong, guys!

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croatpackfan's picture

January 11, 2016 at 08:58 am

Yea, you might be right about that flag, but what with the safety? As I saw there was hit by hand of Preston Smith to the face and helmet of Aaron Rodgers! How referees did not call that? This is whinning. What I agree with you, it is little bit early to claim that everything is right. But, I think some good things happened yesterday! Like that long pass to Randall Cobb on 3rd down - there was 15 yards down the field Jared Abbrederis completely open for TD if Aaron was able to throw to him. I suppose he picked more certain pass... So, I think we will grind out win over Cardinals and host Seattle at Lambeau... I hope their luck already run out with that Minnesota game...

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:08 am

"While I don't subscribe to the 'he's back' theories"

Maybe not, but it was sure nice to see a win on the road in the playoffs. It;s been a while.

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paxbak's picture

January 11, 2016 at 10:21 am

At -6 degrees, nobody is as good as their hype - See 2007 Packers Championship game - in normal weather Seattle wins that game hands down.

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calabasa's picture

January 11, 2016 at 11:28 am

"I still can think of nothing better than getting Seattle at home in NFC Championship game"

WOW. This hadn't yet occurred to me. This might be the ONLY way to erase last year's castration from my memory. Thanks for giving me a glimmer of hope! Might just have to get down to AZ next weekend...

GO PACK!

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

January 11, 2016 at 08:55 am

I'm just in awe of how Rodger's can get up to the line and consistently catch teams changing personnel. Really changed the game the 2 times it happened, and forced a timeout a third I believe. Nothing gimmicky about it, just good heads up football by everyone (even though we weren't totally set for the snap).

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zoellner25's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:15 am

Agreed, awesome how the cameras caught him looking at the guy running off as he snapped it. Don't know if ARod has a code word or special tap for the center to snap it fast, but it works great

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:48 am

This is a great weapon. If the Packers go hurry-up and don't substitute, it basically means that the opposing D cannot substitute either. If they do they'll have to take a TO or get caught with their pants down. And if they don't they will get winded very fast. I think if this team can play hurry up a few times in the games, things will open up quickly. And I don't care who the opposing D is. those big guys on DL won't be able to catch their breath...

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dobber's picture

January 11, 2016 at 10:23 am

It's a copycat league...before long, other teams will be coaching it and doing it. At least #12 can claim to be the first to "perfect" it.

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MarkinMadison's picture

January 11, 2016 at 05:49 pm

I don't think so. I think this is about a veteran QB, not a scheme or a play. It means he is so in command of what he is doing that he has the time to look for it.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 12, 2016 at 07:26 am

Agree. It's not like it has not been tried by others. He is just great at it.

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Since'61's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:03 am

The Good: Aaron Rodgers, JC Tretter, Mike Neal, Clinton-Dix, Goal line stand.
The Bad: 1st quarter offense
The Ugly: "You like that"

Also note: few penalties and no turnovers, until Lacy's fumble late in 4th qtr., which was a non-event anyway. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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D.D.Driver's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:41 am

Personally, I can't think of anything "uglier" than having a racial slur as your team name in *2016*.

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John Galt III's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:49 am

Yeah, Washington DC is so corrupt and hopeless. Move the team to Sheboygan.

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paxbak's picture

January 11, 2016 at 10:56 am

I have never heard the word Redskin used as a derogatory term. Don't fall for the national narrative that everybody look for the bad in words. Do you really feel bad about calling a team the Redskins. Keep the name, spare the political correctness. A total of about 28 people are offended by the name. They can get over it.

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zoellner25's picture

January 11, 2016 at 11:23 am

Redskin was derogatory from about 1700-late 1800s. It's just not hardly used anymore.

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Oppy's picture

January 11, 2016 at 05:55 pm

Well then, you should have no qualms about walking up to random native americans and addressing them with a hearty, "Hey, Redskin... Howya doin' today?"

Right?

Uh, yeah, I didn't think so.

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ray nichkee's picture

January 12, 2016 at 11:39 am

Indian was a European term because they thought they were in india back then. Native american is a term accepted by the government. I've heard many use the term redman. The derogation will always start with intent. This shit needs to stop.

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ray nichkee's picture

January 11, 2016 at 01:18 pm

To D.D. driver.

I have put my 2 cents in before. I was raised white but was always told i had native blood. When my aunt showed me the geneology of the family i was curious. I am no expert but i have studied the history. Redskins is a term used as a warrior by the team, not a racial slur. Anybody who disagrees with me can kiss my posterior.

With that being said i think the use of the name in the country's capital is a complete disgrace. I was educated in the system that columbus discovered america. We give thanks on thanksgiving for the indians helping the pilgrims survive. What do the indians have to give thanks for? Stealing land, violating treaties, put on reservations and being americanized to denounce their culture. Natives were destroyed for protecting what was always theirs and shared it without ownership. They were all viewed as evil savages because of their primitive lifestyle and some tribes that defended their territory. I could go on but you should just educate yourself.

In a world that demands being politically correct i say eff that bs. The real issue is with how snyder and the leaders of this country will continue to look past the facts. Even though i put on the feedbag and watch football i do not celebrate or view thanksgiving as a holliday.

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D.D.Driver's picture

January 11, 2016 at 03:48 pm

I find political correctness tiring. But not every complaint is namby pampy political correctness. If the Giants were the New York N-Words, I doubt many would be defending the name. And I doubt anyone would be accusing the detractors of being overly-sensitive, pc crybabies.

So let's go to the tape:

MIRRIAM WEBSTER
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/redskin
"usually offensive"

AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY
https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=redskin
"Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a Native American."

DICTIONARY.COM
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/redskin
"Older Slang: Disparaging and Offensive.
1. a contemptuous term used to refer to a North American Indian."

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ray nichkee's picture

January 11, 2016 at 04:41 pm

You missed the point here. Using the term redskins does not offend many people. Its just like calling someone white boy or bruce (i have no clue why they call him the boss) springsteen refering to the yellow man. It is all in the context that you use it. The capital of the US needs to find many better ways to honer redskins than naming a football team. Maybe you will get it someday. Fuck PC. The only thing offensive about the term is the way they were treated by the government.

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MarkinMadison's picture

January 11, 2016 at 06:06 pm

You're right. Over 90% of the indians died off. There are not many of them left. If they're offended fuck them. And if my German cousins want to make a team called the Munich Kikes, fuck them too. There aren't too many of them left in Germany anyway, so hey, not too many people are offended, right?

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Oppy's picture

January 11, 2016 at 06:31 pm

I'm not sure, I was raised Christian, but my great grandma told me I've got some Jewish blood in me, and I can tell you that over 90% of all Jews don't find the term Kike or Heimy offensive, even though I'm not part of that culture and I certainly haven't met more than a miniscule percentage of all Jews in the united states, I feel that the potential that I have maybe a distant relative that was Jewish, maybe, makes me qualified to state this.

Okay, so really, this is more about the fact that most non-Jews I know don't think the term Kike is really offensive. I mean, it's just a word that I use to mean any Jewish person, no offense meant, I just automatically think "KIKE" when I see a Jew, it doesn't mean anything. Besides, the illustration of the Jew in the Munich Kikes logo is a proud, accurate depiction of a strong Jew man, proud and handsome, so, no harm no foul.

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porupack's picture

January 11, 2016 at 11:43 pm

Oppy,
The difference is; you can be held accountable as a person if you choose to use the term to someone, or behind someone's back.

Naming a quasi-public franchise is kind of different, as it is a term that the public has to repeat without choice; announcers, advertisers....and so on.

I agree that the term has been sanitized in modern day somewhat. But given the century of genocide, theft, and broken promises, it is just the right thing to do....change the damn name.

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MarkinMadison's picture

January 12, 2016 at 07:05 am

Oppy's mocking him. You missed it.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 12, 2016 at 07:30 am

I'm neither Indian or Jewish but wow. Not many left anyway?

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MarkinMadison's picture

January 13, 2016 at 06:02 am

We're mocking his arguments.

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porupack's picture

January 11, 2016 at 11:56 pm

You probably don't fully comprehend the genocide orchestrated against native americans, and you probably have benefitted from inheriting assets acquired as result, and it appears you wish to ignore who and what is offensive if it isn't your issue. So F**K PC is just your way of dissing anyone else. But its not about PC, its about pragmatic civility and reasonable sensitivity. It costs nothing to change the name to anyone but Dan Snyder to rebrand. Why average joe defends the elitist Dan is beyond me.

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ray nichkee's picture

January 12, 2016 at 11:30 am

I do oppy, one of my ancestors is from canada just north of new york. Im not sure what tribe but i assume it was ojibwa. A marriage between a french fur trader and an ojibwa was not uncommon. As the fur trading moved west using the great lakes for transport they ended up in Wisconsin. I am not a beneficiary of any assets or casino money. I work with my hands for what i have. I have no problem with the term, but i do not like the capital of this country using a term to be used to refer to a sports team without acknowledging what really happened.

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ray nichkee's picture

January 12, 2016 at 01:12 pm

My reference to profiting from being native is directed to porupack

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zoellner25's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:12 am

Good: our ROLB pass rush from both Perry and CM3. Trent Williams got bulldozed several times.
Bad: Vikings. I was rooting for the Vikings (I know) becuase I wanted a rematch vs Carolina. Like our odds better.
Ugly: our 1st quarter offense. What the hell was that?

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Idiot Fan's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:48 am

I think the wind was a bigger deal than we could tell from home. In Q1 we had a hard time stopping their offense, and we did nothing. In Q2 they couldn't stop our offense and they did nothing. To start Q3, they came out and scored a TD. I think the key to the game was our D stopping them for the rest of Q3 and us actually scoring by running the ball during that quarter. Once we entered Q4 with a lead I felt pretty confident.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 11, 2016 at 10:48 am

I do think the wind was a big deal.

The one thing I didn't get though. Packers won the toss right? Therefore Washington got to choose which direction to go. Why wouldn't they want to play with the wind at their backs in the last quarter?

That seemed to be a pretty big philosophical mistake that no one has really talked about.

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Idiot Fan's picture

January 11, 2016 at 10:57 am

I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think one team chooses the ball or not at the start, and the other team chooses direction. But then I think it switches and the team that chose the ball at the start gets to choose direction at the beginning of Q3 (and the other team gets the ball). So by choosing the ball at the beginning, we were actually choosing the right to pick direction in the second half.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:18 am

Good:
Packers 2nd quarter - 4th Quarter

Bad:
Packers 1st quarter

Ugly:
Desean Jackson horrible attempt at the TD which would have changed the game very early.

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:37 am

Good: The guys the TT doubters love to malign: Perry, Neal, Burnett, Hayward, and Adams.

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January 12, 2016 at 01:27 am

As someone who has and probably will continue to malign Hayward and Adams, you're right, WKU, and I've got to tip my hat to them for this game.

Interesting snap counts: CM3 66; Neal 54 (as opposed to Perry's 26); Peppers 48, Thomas 44(!), and Ryan 28. DBs: Hayward 70 of 72 snaps, Randall 63; Hyde 56; Gunter 31; Rollins 22; Dix & Burnett both w 72 (100%).

I conclude that while Perry might do some things extremely well, like holding the edge and bull-rushing, the coaches think Neal does more things reasonably well, by virtue of Neal's 734 snaps to Perry's 351 snaps so far this season. Some of the disparity might be due to injury, but not most of it. I thought Joe Thomas should have made the 53 in the first place as a Chillar-like guy: apparently the coaches can find a use for him. I don't think Thomas has been nearly as good as Chillar was, but who knows, maybe Thomas will make a jump next year.

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ben's picture

January 12, 2016 at 01:34 am

Hey I'm a doubter,

& Perry is a freak and still has room for improvement.

Neal was borderline special at RE before he was moved to OLB.

Burnett is good at everything and still has a little upside left.

Haywards a good 3/4 slot fit when healthy.

But there is no way the Packers needed to burn a high 2nd round draft pick on a Jarrett Boykin clone during the deepest WR draft of all time.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 12, 2016 at 07:47 am

Agree on first and last points

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DrealynWilliams's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:52 am

Wait until y'all see the film on HHCD.

Outstanding game

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ben's picture

January 12, 2016 at 02:16 am

Probably the most impressive game of his career.

Which isn't saying much of a #1 pick with 44 professional games played.

(the 2 picks against seattle last year were gifts. 1. right place right time - tipped ball, 2. wrong place right time - beat deep on a underthrown ball)

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:54 am

Good: Entire team 2nd - 4th Quarters

Bad: 1st Quarter

Ugly: All the people who claim that the Packers have a talent deficit, including Cris Carter. Washington is not a bad team, and they do have a couple of decent players, but they are nowhere near the talent level of the Packers. All those people who want to fire Ted or whoever else, this is one of the most talented teams in the NFL. Packers D clearly more talented than Washington's D, for every position group, and the only position where one sees better talent on O for Washington is TE. Williams is a very good LT, but overall I think the Packers OL is more talented.

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packersbrewers's picture

January 11, 2016 at 01:08 pm

To be in the NFL you have to have talent. But having talent doesn't mean you can be successful in the NFL.

On a NFL team you need play makers and contributors to make up most of your roster. You cannot survive with 1 or 2 play makers, a few contributors, and a whole bunch of role fillers. If you need proof of that go watch the Cleveland Browns.

You also need coaches in positions to develop players and coaches who do NOT force players into a mold of what they want. Instead they need to see the talents of their players and develop plays and schemes to highlight their talents and try and mask their flaws.

So it's definitely not as easy as saying "we have no talent" or "we have talent BUT". There are plenty of factors that go into it.

But what is more the issue, IMO, is that the Green Bay Packers are missing some game changing talent in key areas.

TE. Rodgers and Quarless are role fillers. They won't scare a defense in any way. Quarless blocks. Rodgers has good hands but can't run or shake a defender. Outside of that there isn't much there to say much that "wows" you.

ILB. I mean they had to move Clay inside because of how bad it was. TT has not drafted well here at all. Our D line is doing enough to try and prevent the ILB from being totally exposed most of the time but when they are exposed it's UGLY. Close your eyes and pray kind of ugly. Thomas looks lost and confused way too much. Ryan is a step behind and doesn't seem to have the fundamental skills of tackling down.

WR. Without Nelson to draw attention it's painfully obvious how mediocre this group is overall.

OL. They lack any kind of depth. If 1 goes down God help us all. And even when all 5 starters were playing there were plenty of issues and problems. If they weren't holding or jumping early they were getting dominated or giving the defense free access to Rodgers. Injuries were key here but even still the run game never really got going this year and Rodgers was sacked close to 50 times so pass blocking was horrible as well. If you are bad in both areas there are problems that need to be addressed.

With all that said they went 10-6 this year. There are some good players on this team. They just need upgrades in several areas and I think we'd be back to elite.

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packersbrewers's picture

January 11, 2016 at 01:06 pm

Not sure why it double posted.

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PaulRosik's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:48 pm

Very true Packer_Pete. Right now in Washington in their summary of the season they are saying they made strides and some moves in the right direction but they are not yet good enough to beat a team like the Packers.

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marpag1's picture

January 11, 2016 at 10:22 am

This post is not aimed at anyone in particular, but sometimes nervous Packer fans (and "football experts" on the Internet) just crack me up. Heading into the Washington game a lot of people were astute enough to suggest that the Pack was eternally doomed unless they made liberal use of "double tight, J-dog 36 pumpkin smash" in short yardage situations. Not nearly so many seemed astute enough to realize that Washington is nothing but mediocre, and has never beaten anyone that is better than mediocre.

I love every Packer victory, and a playoff victory is as good as ten. But in the end we beat Washington, the same Washington where the newspapers today are all saying that an ass whooping from the Packers in the playoffs is a sign of great progress.

Bring on the Cards. Until we win the Super Bowl or are eliminated... never too high and never too low.

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dobber's picture

January 11, 2016 at 01:13 pm

""double tight, J-dog 36 pumpkin smash""

You get a thumbs up, if only for that...

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packersbrewers's picture

January 11, 2016 at 10:30 am

Good:

The offense quarters 2-4. They actually looked like an offense and not an offensive cluster f#%*. I saw a little more creativity and some bunch formations. They mostly stuck to short to medium passes-you know what WORKS and got themselves into a rhythm relatively early. It was as if the light bulb got turned on FINALLY.

Defense. Yeah they had some bone headed mishaps but all in all these guys did their job and did it well. The goal line stand in the 1st quarter was huge.

Bad

ILB Play. Jake Ryan and Joe Thomas are just not NFL starting ILB at this time. On the opening drive of the 2nd half when they were down near the goal line Clay Matthews was SCREAMING at Thomas that it was a QB draw and Thomas stood there. And Ryan whiffs on more tackles then anyone and when he was in total trail position on Reed I almost punched the TV. Luckily Cousins went elsewhere but it was a nightmare waiting to happen. Opposing offenses know to isolate their TE on our ILB because well they cannot cover. TT needs to address this position in a bad way this off season. It's a glaring hole. And has been for years.

Deep Balls. They aren't there. They haven't been there all year. Stop forcing it. It's a waste of a down.

Ugly

1st Quarter Offense. 1 for 8 for 11 yards? Sacked in the endzone. I thought we were toast. Luckily we gained a pulse and ended up coming to life but wow was that first quarter brutal.

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calabasa's picture

January 11, 2016 at 11:26 am

Amen on the ILB need. I can't stand watching Joe Ryan get blown up or lost in the crowd every f'ing snap. PLEASE get a huge fast athlete in there who scares people!!!

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Idiot Fan's picture

January 11, 2016 at 11:45 am

I'm very nervous about Jake Ryan next game. He's going to need to be much better against that horse-sized RB they have (blanking on his name). People like to compare Ryan to Hawk, but I think they're total opposites: Hawk was slow but eventually made the tackle; Ryan is fast but often fails to make the tackle (with one notable exception last night).

Between the ILB need and the uncertainty at OLB due to age/contracts, we're going to need to draft a bucket-full of them this year.

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packsmack's picture

January 11, 2016 at 02:30 pm

I'm more worried about Randall than Ryan. The Cards already ate him up once, and he might have to play every snap given the injuries. The play where I think Garcon made him fall down with one cut was particularly embarrassing yesterday.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 11, 2016 at 05:26 pm

Ryan is really young. He's started 4 games or something? Let's see what he can do with a full offseasn of training.

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dobber's picture

January 11, 2016 at 01:08 pm

How often did we see Thomas or Ryan ending up covering Garcon or Jackson yesterday? More often than I care to remember. I can understand if your ILB ends up covering Reed, but when he's lagging behind the fastest guy on the field on a regular basis, either our scheme was bad or theirs was very good.

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Rossonero's picture

January 11, 2016 at 01:46 pm

Unfortunately Ted Thompson doesn't seem to value the ILB position that much. He waited until the 4th round for converted ILB Carl Bradford, then waited until the 4th round again for Jake Ryan.

I need to do more research on this year's ILB class, but usually the ones who can cover are taken late first round or somewhere in the 2nd round.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

January 11, 2016 at 02:43 pm

I'm worried about playing Thomas too. I remember one play in the End Zone where he could have EASILY had an INT, but he reacts too slow or recognizes plays too slow -- hell, maybe both.

We had more than enough people in coverage, so he should have known where his help was at and where could afford to be aggressive. Luckily HHCD came flying in and made contact with the WR hard enough to where he dropped the ball. I guarantee the Cards will attempt to take advantage of his play in the pass (where he's supposed to be better than any other ILB on the team).

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 12, 2016 at 07:18 am

ILB is devalued across the league in the drafting process. There just aren't that many good college ILBs. Most of the better athletes end up as OLBs, undersized DEs, or oversized safeties (Shazier). There are't many Luke Keuchly's out there.

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lecko's picture

January 11, 2016 at 03:11 pm

I think the Deep Balls are needed. Every time there were 2 redshirst runnig after ball. It sends a mssage to defence that they can not put all defenders to shorter routs, and thus probably makes a little easer to complete shorter passes

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DrealynWilliams's picture

January 11, 2016 at 03:15 pm

I agree. They were sitting on a lot of routes too.

I'm so eager to see a Sluggo burn someone. I think it's going to come from Adams,Abby or Janis.

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Oppy's picture

January 11, 2016 at 06:06 pm

Not sayin' this guy is a star talent, but let's not forget than Sam Barrington was the starting ILB next to Matthews for all of 3 plays before being lost to the season... Relying on Joe Thomas or Jake Ryan to play starting roles was NOT the plan going into the season. Sam Barrington might be as good as Desmond Bishop. That's not to say he's great, because let's face it, Packers fans WAAAY over valued Bishop, but he wasn't a glaring liability, either.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

January 11, 2016 at 06:19 pm

I know, but he's only playing on obvious passing downs. If he's going to offer nothing in run defense, at least show something in the pass defense.

I don't even think he has any pass deflections.

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CallingIt's picture

January 11, 2016 at 10:30 am

The ugly: Rollins and Adams going down. Need both next week.

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D Ernesto's picture

January 11, 2016 at 12:01 pm

I see these guys going out with what looks like a minor collisions? and what is with Batiari and Shields and these guys who miss four to five weeks for injuries you should be getting over in one or two at the most.

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dobber's picture

January 11, 2016 at 01:12 pm

With Bakhtiari, his asset is his ability to move because it's sure not his power. If it's a high ankle sprain (which is a longer-term injury than your garden variety sprain) his mobility is limited, what good is he? And concussions are a weird beast. Shields fell hard and without much ability to deflect the impact. I'm not surprised it's taking him a while to get back.

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Oppy's picture

January 11, 2016 at 06:07 pm

Ernesto, I have to ask... Have you ever played a football game on a bad ankle or knee?

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WKUPackFan's picture

January 12, 2016 at 07:23 am

He thinks players should sustain lifetime problems for our enjoyment.

Also still living in the 60's. "Saint Vince's boys would not let a concussion slow them down. Rub some dirt on that brain and get back in there".

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zeke's picture

January 12, 2016 at 07:46 am

If he's played football at all, it was without a helmet.

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LeagueObsrvr's picture

January 11, 2016 at 10:40 am

Rodgers seemed like he was in total command out there throughout most of the game (minus the 1st quarter). I think this change back to McCarthy calling plays and making Rodgers the focal point of the offense again has helped restore confidence in Rodgers and as a consequence, the rest of the offense as a whole.

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zoellner25's picture

January 11, 2016 at 11:25 am

Agreed, but I also think MM hasn't opened up much of the playbook until yesterday. He's been holding back. Hope they have more new wrinkles for the Cards, we'll need it. We better block Campbell this time.

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Amanofthenorth's picture

January 11, 2016 at 11:26 am

G: stability and philosophies of Packer organization

B: Blood in the water, swarming media

U: regime change, know it all "fans"

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4thand1's picture

January 11, 2016 at 05:09 pm

perfect

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D Ernesto's picture

January 11, 2016 at 11:59 am

Good: Rogers, Perry whom I've beaten like a mule on this website for three years, Adams who fought for a ball and hung on. Yeah miracles happen
The Bad; pass defenders dropping what could have been in my count 10 interceptions. They need some hands training mike.
The Ugly: Cousins passing game. The wind was too strong for his whimpy arm.

Go Pack Go

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WinUSA's picture

January 11, 2016 at 04:25 pm

Good. Abby..juke the pants off the d back like a stripper going for the pole...first pro points of his promising career.

Good. Who was that left tackle? St. Nicolas?

Good..... Watching Walsh kick.

Good... Seeing the Viking fan raise his hands over his head when Walsh kicked the ball and thought it was automatic.

Priceless the look on the guy's face when it went wide left.

Ugly...watching Walsh's kick.

Bad....me being such an ahole....NOT,,,,, :9)

Go Pack!!!!!

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sheppercheeser's picture

January 11, 2016 at 12:22 pm

The good- AR's quick release and an MVP vote for JC Tretter.
The bad- How does Cousins allow himself to be sacked TWICE on 4th down, one at the end of the game!? Throw a Hail Mary for goodness sake, at least there's a small chance- and yes, I'm still glad cuz I'm a Packer backer.
The ugly- Masthay's first punt- it's your only job, do it right!

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packsmack's picture

January 11, 2016 at 02:03 pm

The jump cut Starks made on the play before the Lacy TD made Preston Smith shit his pants. It was Peterson-esque. I've always said Starks is a poor man's Peterson with a little less speed.

Edit: Here's the play
http://m.packers.com/news/video/packers-rb-starks-gains-22-yards-23b546e...

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 11, 2016 at 03:01 pm

If Starks can hang onto the ball, his speed and physical running is a difference maker for the Packers.
He really does compliment Lacy really well.

Against Arizona he came out and had a great run. Showing off his speed to start the 2nd half, until he fumbled it. That firmly put him on the bench for the rest of that game and a lot of the Minnesota game.

If he can hang onto the ball he will be an x factor in the next Cardinals game.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 11, 2016 at 03:04 pm

One of the plays of the game. Wasn't that the Packers sweep play.

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Amanofthenorth's picture

January 11, 2016 at 03:11 pm

Brought a tear ro my eye. Old 75 out front

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Tundraboy's picture

January 11, 2016 at 03:19 pm

I know. Everytime I see it I flash back to my childhood. It's our play.

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Razer's picture

January 11, 2016 at 03:13 pm

A couple of good runs by Starks and Lacy. Maybe I am old fashion but don't they teach these RBs to get the ball to side away from the pursuit? Both our RBs left that ball exposed to the inside stripping and tackling and have done it all year. We need a true RB coach, a true WR coach and so on. I am not impressed with Van Pelt being Rodgers cheerleader or Edgar Bennett being an offensive administrator. Aren't these the fundamentals that McCArthy talks about?!

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WinUSA's picture

January 11, 2016 at 04:29 pm

Awesome highlite ...Abby made a hell of a block on that play.

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January 12, 2016 at 02:14 am

First: Nice cutback by Starks - this is a play that Lacy cannot make;
2nd: This is not a sweep - it is designed to go right;
3rd: James Jones, not Abby, makes the block;
4th: JJ knows just when to stop blatantly holding - savvy veteran I suppose;
5th: Abby's defender actually makes the tackle.

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Razer's picture

January 11, 2016 at 03:29 pm

Couldn't be happier for the team and one of the first games that I watch this year that had me anticipating a win. I will take it and enjoy it for the week.

The appreciation and optimism voiced on this forum is long overdue. It can even make us forget that Arizona is a solid football team from top to bottom. Washington has a very average defense a suspect O-line and a green QB. We should have beaten them. Once 'Bad' Packers disappeared from the 1st quarter, we did what we are capable of doing. We treated Kirk Cousins like Arizona treated Aaron Rodgers a couple of weeks ago.

If our D-line, pass rush and O-line show-up for this rematch, we will have a chance. If Rodgers is under pressure all night and the WR's do their usual cornerback embrace we will all be moaning come Monday. Let's hope for a true dogfight led by Aaron Rodgers.

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January 11, 2016 at 05:31 pm

Rodgers should be in the great category. Just because he didn't have outrageous stats doesn't show the whole picture. He had Wash tied in a knot. The hurry up was run to perfection. I'll bet MM had no idea what AR was about to do. He had a couple of passes sail on him which was due to the wind. When he zipped it, the ball cut threw the wind like a knife.

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Evan's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:13 pm

The wind or shitty mechanics. I'm so sick of him throwing deep off his back foot. That's why his throws were sailing.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 11, 2016 at 11:17 pm

Welcome back. Good to see things are getting back to normal around here.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 12, 2016 at 06:53 am

I think the wind played a huge factor in that game.

His mechanics have been off. But that being said he made a perfect throw to Adams for the TD off his backfoot.

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ray nichkee's picture

January 12, 2016 at 12:32 pm

We can't blame it on the rain. It was the wind. Im sure the stats will back it up. It was a good offensive performance against a low ranking defense. I am left wondering if the pack can stop the redbirds from representing the NFC in the big game.

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ScottH's picture

January 11, 2016 at 05:50 pm

I would like to nominate for Ugly, the Lombardi plaque/sign hanging in that Redskin stadium that looked like one of my horrid 4-H projects from my childhood. Maybe they could start a crowd funding project for a more dignified one.

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GoldenRetriever's picture

January 11, 2016 at 09:35 pm

Is it true that Bob McGinn has called for TT to be fired?

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Mojo's picture

January 12, 2016 at 12:01 am

Don't know if he wants him to be fired, but he was very critical of the way he puts the roster together. Surprised TT still gives him the one-on-one interviews every year.

While the Packers were struggling in the second half of the season - McGinn went on about how talented this team was and how everything would be alright. Of course they continued to struggle. Then when he finally became critical, they come up with one of their better games of the year yesterday.

Just like when he said GB was so deep they would have no problems without ARod a few years ago. The same day he wrote that Rodgers was injured. After it happened the Pack nearly tanked the season until Rodgers came back to beat the Bears.

I'm hoping McGinn will declare an Arizona rout so I can feel better about GB's chances.

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Tundraboy's picture

January 12, 2016 at 07:59 am

How come NFL network keeps replaying Vikings game twice a day maybe more. Michaels and Collingswood yeesh. Guess NBC sold it to them cheap or for free.
Where is the Packers Game???

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Mojo's picture

January 11, 2016 at 11:48 pm

Bend at the knees to get low. Come hard off the edge with speed and strength. Slap the hands of the player going against to keep him off your body. Throw your weight against the blocker as you go by him and then explode through the target QB.

That's how the premier pass-rushers do it. Didn't know you had it in you Perry. Best rush of his career.

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