Grading the Pack - Week 12 - Packers vs. Vikings (Defense)

Mike Pettine deserves a ton of credit for what he’s been able to do with a defense that is completely devoid of playmakers and top end talent. The cupboard on defense right now is incredibly bare, and it has showed throughout the course of this season and once again this past Sunday.

Yes Green Bay’s defense has performed well for stretches and has had some pretty impressive success with a variety of blitz packages, but those are plays that are predominantly generated by scheme, basically the inverse of the Packers on offense. Give the players credit, they’ve taken to the scheme well and it takes players being in the right spots on defense when bringing pressure for it to work, but this is not a team right now who can consistently win against top teams with the talent they have on defense.

The issue become even more dire when players like Kevin King and Mike Daniels are out of the lineup. Right now, this defense has one high end Pro Bowl type player in Kenny Clark. The next two players who consistently play well and are knocking on that Pro Bowl door (when healthy) are Mike Daniels and Jaire Alexander. After that it’s a plethora of rookies, jags, and has-beens.

On Sunday against the Vikings the issues were once again apparent. Kenny Clark played great, Jaire Alexander was really good, a bunch of players were hurt, and the rest of the defense was average or worse. I consider anything from about +0.2 to -0.2 a neutral grade, and if you consider it that way then only four players on defense graded as true positives, Clark, Alexander, Adams, and Campbell.

The lack of talent has been the major issue when it comes to Green Bay not being able to generate turnovers as well. Couple it with edge rushers who can’t get to the quarterback and you’re forced to gamble and blitz with regularity. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t; but unlike the offense, give Mike Pettine credit for coming up with a scheme that generally puts his players in positions to succeed; creating a unit that is far better than the sum of its parts.

Top 3 Defensive Players

Kenny Clark +1.15
Jaire Alexander +0.65
Montravius Adams +0.40

Bottom 3 Defensive Players

Josh Jones -1.70
Blake Martinez -1.00
Antonio Morrison -0.75

Defensive Line

Kenny Clark +1.15
Montravius Adams +0.40
Tyler Lancaster -0.20
Dean Lowry -0.50

I talked last week about how Montravius Adams was starting to come into his own a little bit. After never grading in the positive, he had three weeks where he was net-neutral. Then this week he put up a solid +0.40 score. He’s not exactly lighting the world on fire but his play has been markedly improved. He’s done more than an admirable job in filling in for Daniels and you can see that he and Clark are gaining more and more of a rapport together. That’s a great sign for the second year, third-round draft pick.

Edge Rusher

Clay Matthews +0.10
Kyler Fackrell +0.05
Reggie Gilbert -0.35

Clay Matthews had his best game since week four against the Bills. That said it still wasn’t anything to really write home about. He was one of the few players who made some plays behind the line of scrimmage and showed some flash, but he also had plays that left a lot to be desired from an effort standpoint.

Overall this was by far the best cumulative grade for the edge rushers, which again isn’t saying much, but they mostly held up on the edge in the running game and did provide a modicum of pressure which I guess is an improvement.

Linebacker

Oren Burks +0.10
Antonio Morrison -0.75
Blake Martinez -1.00

Every once and a while I will tell you to ignore a grade on a player. That’s the case this week with Antonio Morrison. Honestly when the numbers were tabulated I was surprised it was so low. Don’t get me wrong, I stick with the grade and his inability to get sideline to sideline coupled with his lack of coverage ability is what gets him into trouble. But man when he plays in the box as a run defender he is a breath of fresh air in comparison to Blake Martinez. Morrison will attack the line of scrimmage and show the ability to stack and shed which is a welcome sight.

The issue is that they haven’t found a great platoon player for Morrison and he ends up being on the field far too often on passing downs. If they can limit him to more obvious run situations, he can be somebody who helps this team.

Cornerback

Jaire Alexander +0.65
Tony Brown -0.05
Josh Jackson -0.15
Tramon Williams -0.60

I labeled Williams as a corner but he was definitely between corner and safety throughout the game. Tramon has been up and down in his transition to safety, and moving him back and forth between the two hasn’t helped either. Hopefully King and Breeland can be back soon and Tramon can stick to safety full time.

Jaire had a few plays here and there that I’m sure he’d like to have back but man is he an intense and welcome addition to this football team. He’s a joy to watch and as Joe Whitt mentioned this week, he can be as good as any corner in this league. He’s great already and still getting better!

Safety

Ibraheim Campbell +0.25
Kentrell Brice -0.25
Josh Jones -1.70

There’s a reason that Josh Jones has been on the bench and he really showed why this week. He had two plays back to back in which he was completely misaligned and had no idea what he was supposed to do on the play. In one instance he was playing man while everyone else was playing zone. He also struggled tackling and after the game admitted himself that he needs to play much better.

On the flip side it was a solid performance by Ibraheim Campbell and he could be somebody that pairs well with Tramon. Tramon’s coverage ability paired with Campbells more traditional box safety mentality could work well together and ultimately be a tandem that gets more of an opportunity if Josh Jones continues to play like he did on Sunday.

You can find the offense’s grades from yesterday’s article here: https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/grading-the-pack-week-12-packers-vs-vikings-offense-413

2018 Grades: https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/grading-the-pack-2018-regular-season-totals-547

How I Grade

  • Each player starts by getting a zero or neutral grade on a play. If they performed as expected on a play, their grade stays at zero.
  • For a slightly above or below average play, the player gets graded -0.1 or +0.1. The vast majority of grades on the vast majority of plays are graded -0.1, 0, or +0.1.
  • The highest and lowest grades on an individual play are +2.0 and -2.0 respectively. These would be large, game-changing plays.
  • I won’t grade a play negatively if I cannot tell which player was at fault.
  • Most of the time it’s difficult to tell the play, so I’m not grading on the execution of the play call as an NFL coach would.
  • The goal of this exercise is to grade every snap over the course of the season to get a long-term view of which performers are performing well and which are not meeting expectations. This is very similar to what Pro Football Focus tries to achieve. Is it perfect? No. But what you are getting is a consistent grader who is watching specifically Packer games and putting multiple hours into every week to breakdown film and assign grades.
  • Grades are for offense and defense only (including two point conversions). Special teams does not factor in.

 

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Andy is a graduate of UW-Oshkosh and owns & operates the Pack-A-Day Podcast. Andy has taken multiple courses in NFL scouting and is an Editor for Packer Report. Andy grew up in Green Bay and is a lifelong season ticket holder - follow him on Twitter @AndyHermanNFL!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 01, 2018 at 11:10 am

Even if Campbell doesn't continue to improve, teams need guys like him. And perhaps he continues to improve with more reps.

I am encouraged by the signs of life shown by Montravius Adams and Lancaster. I can't say I noticed Burks, maybe because he only played 7 snaps. Tony Brown looks like he has talent: we'll see if it translates to solid play. These guys and the aforementioned Campbell combined provide a plethora of packers who might turn into contributors or better.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 01, 2018 at 01:47 pm

"plethora of packers"..... tgr, I upvoted you for that alone.

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TKWorldWide's picture

December 01, 2018 at 02:30 pm

Don’t forget “aforementioned”!

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PatrickGB's picture

December 01, 2018 at 11:29 am

Yep, that’s what I saw too. Thanks for the awesome article. I see the game better after reading your analysis. What’s amazing is that many if not most of our better players were not here the last few years.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 01, 2018 at 12:07 pm

Nice work Andy. I can't imagine how much time is invested in grading these players so kudos to you for all the hard work you do. It was nice to hear that Montravius Adams is starting to show up lately. I thought of Kenny Clark and how he started to show up late in his rookie season than continued to get better and better to where he's a future pro bowler. I hope Montravius can do the same. I actually believe he can. The arrow seems to be pointing that way.

Also, I loved the comment on Pettine "creating a unit that is far better than the sum of its parts." That is a sign of a really great coach which is why I am praying he stays. Dick Bennett of UWGB and UW was another. Could take average guys and because they were well coached and everyone did their job they could beat teams much more talented than them. Pettine just seems that way with this defense. They just need a few more playmakers this off season and look out.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 01, 2018 at 03:52 pm

Dash, I remember Dick Bennett taking an Eau Claire Memorial team to the WI State Basketball finals in the mid 70s with kids that were all heart and defense. Those kids played their butts off, beat a much more talented Beloit Memorial team with future NBA player Bill Hanzlik, only to lose a squeaker in the finals to South Milwaukee with future NBA player Kurt Nimphius. His teams at Stevens Point did the same thing, where he found and developed a diamond in the rough in Terry Porter. Hell of a man.

Bennett would credit John Wooden for his success. It's all about team first. Wooden's Pyramid of Success. Great to see that quote from Pettine.

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Skip greenBayless's picture

December 01, 2018 at 05:40 pm

Boy, you went really back in time Leotis. I knew about his teams at Stevens Point with Terry Porter but didn't know much if any of his early high school days. Bennett was able to win wherever he went. Amazing. I just thought of Bennett when he was talking about Pettine. It's only year one but I can see that defense really starting to dominate once he's able to fill in the correct pieces to his puzzle. When everyone gets their roles down, like with Bennett's teams, it's like a machine that just wins. Now if we can just get our offense on the right track right? Who would have ever thought we'd be saying that this year but it's true. Our offense is THE problem this season.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

December 01, 2018 at 12:25 pm

Thanks agian Andy. These are awesome.

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SoCalJim's picture

December 01, 2018 at 02:20 pm

Yep. Great work, Andy.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 01, 2018 at 01:43 pm

Good work as always Andy. One note of caution for the future. It is important to remember that every player you are grading is an elite athlete at this level. These players on both sides of the ball were the best their school had when they came out. What separates them from all the others who tried to make it at the pro level is their mental adjustment to the game. Or to put it bluntly; 90% of this game is mental. The other 10% is understanding and reaction. Most would not be on the field otherwise. Finally, a lot of a players success is determined by the role he is given and how his coach uses him. Sometimes players are miscast, or their skill set is not useful in the scheme run. Fackrell last year, Jones this year. Also, players assignment completely change with a new defense, Nick Perry for example. Still, your work on CHTV has been outstanding, Keep it up.

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Packer fan in SWIN's picture

December 01, 2018 at 04:57 pm

Would love for Adams to be Kenny Clark part II. So do we go get Deionte Thompson, S Alabmaa with the first pick or a edge guy lime Josh Allen, UK.......interesting to see how we go in round 1 next draft.....

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 01, 2018 at 05:31 pm

I misread your username as Packer fan in Sin. Probably Edge first, but things will become clearer after the combine.

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Johnblood27's picture

December 02, 2018 at 11:24 am

Please Dear God, no more Bama DB's.

DL, yes.

DB, no!

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Guam's picture

December 02, 2018 at 08:41 am

Jut want to add to the accolades Andy - I love reading your analyses every week and really appreciate how much you add to our understanding of the Packers. Thank you for your hard work and week after week diligence!

It is very clear our biggest need is OLB/pas rusher and we need two of them if we stay with a 3-4.

I love the development of M. Adams as it gives us line depth we badly need. If we resign Wilkerson to a reasonable contract, we should have a pretty good D-line next year.

Given our previous difficulties in finding pass rushing OLB's in the draft, I am wondering if we shouldn't consider switching to a 4-3 defense. If we resign Wilkerson and switch Perry to a DE, that gives us a pretty good core of six D-linemen. I believe the Packers would need to draft one pass rushing DE to complete the group.

We have a MLB in Martinez and a Will LB in Burks and a Sam LB in Fackrell. We would need to draft depth and potential future starters. Thoughts?

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Johnblood27's picture

December 02, 2018 at 11:26 am

we have had square pegs and round holes ever since TT thought he could draft athletes and make a defense.

Your thoughts are not bad, I am nor certain that alignment is going to change much with guys like Perry though.

Lets see what Gute can do in draft #2 before we scrap scheme, let Pettine do what he does with the clay Gute provides.

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Guam's picture

December 02, 2018 at 03:57 pm

Just looking for a way to create some pressure on opposing QB's. Other teams have rebuilt their four man D-lines pretty readily over the last five years due to the supply of good 4-3 D-linemen coming out of college (Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State) while we have fiddled with square pegs in round holes as you so accurately put it.

Perry was a 4-3 D-linemen in college and may be better in that format (can't be much worse). It may also be better to find a good pass rushing DE than a 3-4 OLB in the upcoming draft. Just want to have our defense fit the material coming out of college than try to force fit college players into something that doesn't fit them.

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