Game Notes: WR battle should come down to the wire

-- Woe is the Green Bay Packers. They fell in Baltimore to the Ravens Thursday night and as a result, the impending regular season is entirely in question. You should be worried.

...is what I would say if Thursday night's loss actually meant anything. Honestly, it means about as much as the Ravens' streak of 15 consecutive preseason wins. Don't get me wrong, that's a cool little accolade, but we all know what the preseason is truly for, and it isn't winning.

One of the biggest benefits of the preseason is the opportunity to evaluate what awaits you on the bottom half of your 90-man roster, and after the Packers' second preseason game of the year, they have some interesting evaluations to take away.

 

The ups and downs of a first-round pick

Rashan Gary has looked great all throughout training camp and even translated his impressive flashes to the field in last week's preseason-opening win over the Houston Texans. However, against the Ravens, he showed that he's still a rookie and with that will come some growing pains.

There were multiple instances where Gary absolutely wrecked his assignment and collapsed into the offensive backfield, only to overshoot the quarterback and be able to generate enough bend in his hips to get home. Instead, he'd blow by his intended target. Also, late in the third quarter, Trace McSorley faked Gary on a bootleg that turned into a 17-yard run for a first down.

Gary is going to have his moments. He's going to have his downfalls and he's going to have the same spurts of success that provide clause as to why the Packers felt strongly enough to invest the No. 12 overall selection in him. Gary's ceiling is high and he certainly has a talented, savvy cast of pass rushes in the room with him. It's just a matter of figuring out what works best for him and getting a feel for his capabilities.

Maybe the Packers don't need ILB help?

Like seventh-round pick Ty Summers last week, Curtis Bolton -- an undrafted rookie free agent -- led the Packers in tackles this week. He got the start alongside Blake Martinez over Summers, and while Summers had his struggles last week despite his 10 tackles, Bolton certainly looked the part of someone who could play significant snaps for defensive coordinator Mike Pettine.

A golden opportunity opened for Bolton and Summers earlier this week when it was revealed that second-year linebacker Oren Burks suffered a chest injury. While it was initially believed to be a torn pectoral, further tests are currently being conducted to determine whether or not it's a season-ending injury or if he could be back on the field sooner rather than later.

But behind Martinez, there's inexperience galore. No shortage of talent, but the Packers may scan the waiver wire these next couple of weeks to search for some veteran help to fill the void. For now, they have the resources to get by. If Bolton or Summers can continue their ascending levels of play, maybe the position is already cemented. Pettine is also going to implement a lot more nickel packages with a safety playing in the box as a hybrid linebacker, so coverage wouldn't be as much of an issue.

So many WRs, so little room

I really can't get over how talented this group is. I said weeks ago -- and got called crazy because Twitter is cruel -- that this is the most talented group of receivers I've seen on the Packers' roster in several years. I'm not talking about big-name guys or established guys -- I'm talking about talent.

Jake Kumerow? Allen Lazard? Darrius Shepherd? What do you do with some of these guys who do nothing but make plays in camp and continue to stand out during exhibition games? Both Lazard and Kumerow combined for 115 yards on six catches against the Ravens Thursday night whereas Shepherd hauled in his second touchdown in back-to-back games -- this one being a beautiful, toe-dragging catch in the back of the end zone on a throw from Tim Boyle.

Realistically, the Packers are going to keep anywhere between six-to-seven receivers. Davante Adams, Geronimo Allison, Marquez Valdes-Scantling and Equanimeous St. Brown aren't going anywhere -- I can safely say those four guys are locks. Then what? All Kumerow does is make plays, so he's certainly on the cusp of being a roster lock. What about J'Mon Moore? The only time I saw him do anything of significance against the Ravens was a tackle on punt coverage late in the fourth quarter. He didn't receive a single target on offense.

While Moore's time may seem like it's dwindling, which I didn't think would happen so easily for a fourth-round pick from a year ago, Shepherd and Lazard are making strong pushes for roster spots. Lazard also caught a touchdown pass in the preseason opener and Shepherd is taking advantage of his role as a return man on special teams with Trevor Davis still sidelined due to injury. 

There are going to be some very, very tough decisions made in September when the Packers have to trim their roster down to 53 players. There's a good chance none of these aforementioned receivers stick around on the practice squad either. 

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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV. He's the voice of The Leap on iTunes and can be heard on The Scoop KLGR 1490 AM every Saturday morning. He's also a contributor on the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].

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murf7777's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:45 am

" that this is the most talented group of receivers I've seen on the Packers' roster in several years. I'm not talking about big-name guys or established guys -- I'm talking about talent."

Other than, Adams, Allison, MVS and Kumerow I prefer to use the word potential. Sure talent is there, but there is talent with most every player or they wouldn't be on an NFL pre-season roster. What separates the difference is potential. Does their talent create potential for being good to great on your NFL team. The 4 above I believe have the talent to be good to great players in the NFL. IMO....The others have potential. Regardless, the last 2 or 3 are going to be difficult to decide and I think we might be surprised who they keep.

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Point-Packer's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:46 am

Jake Kumerow? Allen Lazard? Darrius Shepherd?

I could make a strong case that all three should be on the final 53. I think Moore is done as a Packer and I think Shepherd may be taking Trevor Davis's spot - if he ever had one.

Kumerow just gets open, runs great routes and makes plays.

Lazard is a WR in a TE's body.

Keep em all.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:51 am

This is what I want too at the moment. There are still two games left though so you never know.

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Branden Burke's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:31 pm

Everyone falls in love with bottom of the roster wide receivers. It's a yearly obsession. Even though they almost never have any real impact on the teams success. It's just weird why other positions never get the same level of hype.

To be honest, lazzard, shepherd, Moore, Davis, and EQ are all in the same boat. Kumerows production should cement him as the #4. But for the others, none of them are being especially productive right now. So grab who has the best potential or has the biggest impact on special teams and try to stash the others. I would still keep EQ, Moore, and shepherd in that order. Lazzard would make the practice squad and Davis can kick rocks.

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fthisJack's picture

August 17, 2019 at 08:03 am

you aren't going to stash any of these guys on the PS. keep 7. cut Moore.

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Branden Burke's picture

August 17, 2019 at 10:41 pm

They say that every year and they are usually wrong. We get those guys through the practice squad all the time.

Not only that, but this year teams are going from 90 players to 53 players on the same day. Times 32 teams. That means 1,184 players are being released into free agency that day. Outside of the mad dash to add 10 practice squad guys to every team, having to place waiver claims and cut other guys is unlikely. Realistically, at most maybe 20 teams (and that's being very generous) would put in any waiver claims. So maybe 20 out of the 1184 players get picked up for another teams 53. I think we could roll the dice on a couple no name receivers squeaking through.

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Leatherhead's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:47 am

But isn't the plan to run the ball more, and throw to the TEs and RBs more?

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:05 pm

Well I think you saw last night why the running game is on hold. Maybe next week. As to TEs, pretty vanilla usage thus far.

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Bure9620's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:19 pm

Wouldn't be shocked even with all of the WR talk they only keep 5.....

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 01:14 pm

Honestly I would for reason of depth, because he has used 5 catcher sets, because his offenses thrive on differing skill set options and because the returner will seemingly be a wide receiver.

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saltandpeppers's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:48 am

People keep counting Allison as a lock, but I wouldn't be so sure. Personally I'd rather take a guy with higher upside (EQ, Lazard, Davis) than Allison.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:52 am

Davis over Allison?

Allison has proven he can produce at the pro level, Davis has not.

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:11 pm

Allison looked good last night. Only way he is out is if someone wanted to trade for him.

EQ puzzles me. He has slipped somewhat and needs a chance to show. Lazard looks nice, but when is he going to be tested against the ones? Even in camp he isn’t often. While Kumerow and Shepherd make plays and create openings, Lazard shines against the roster back end. Not ready to jump on his train until he does and I’m guessing the coaches aren’t given his usage.

Next week should be a good time. Cycle the ones in with Rodgers and then Lazard. Kumerow particularly doesn’t need a ton of snaps, if any. To be honest, I am not sure Shepherd does. Get Lazard and EQ in with Rodgers.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:45 pm

Coldwell,
I wholeheartedly agree!

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Jack_Vainisi's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:03 pm

Wide receivers need to get open through moves or speed and catch the ball. That can be much different against first team defenders and plans of defense specifically addressed to cover them. That's where the guys making the roster earn their keep and it's tough to evaluate them with so many candidates. Adams is a lock; Allison and MVS are favorites to join him. Kumerow looks good but hasn't established himself through how many training camps? Shepherd has value in versatility. He seems to accelerate quickly and have "savvy." ESB has size-speed potential; Moore apparently has moves but hasn't "caught" on; Lazard looks like an underweight tight end; and Davis is unavailable. No one has seized spots 4-6 or 7 (I would only keep 6). I would like to see the candidates for 4-7 play against starting defenses in the last two preseason games.

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Branden Burke's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:41 pm

There is no chance I would keep Davis over Allison. And I don't think Allison gets cut. But he really hasn't been as productive as guys make him out to be. 3 seasons total just over 700 yards. EQ mirrored his production (although not as reliable) last year as a rookie.

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fthisJack's picture

August 17, 2019 at 08:08 am

Allison had 300 yards receiving in the first 5 games last year. whats not to like about that?

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Branden Burke's picture

August 17, 2019 at 10:44 pm

5 games doesn't make a career. His 2 seasons, plus those 5 games gives him just over 700 yards receiving. The only reason Allison should be a lock is because he is a Rodgers guy. He isn't bad, but he hasn't proved himself either

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murf7777's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:02 pm

Allison has shown he belongs. I understand that it seems others have more potential, but that doesn't mean it will materialize. Also, I don't think Allison has reached his potential. Before getting hurt last year he played 5 games with 20/303/2TD and a big 15.1 YPC. That is with only getting 1 target the first game. Numbers work out to around 70/1000/7. Those are solid numbers to send packing. Deciding on who to cut will be difficult.

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stockholder's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:11 pm

We've had this discussion before. IMO. Adams should play the slot. Everybody likes MVS. But what have we seen from him? The Wrs are being judged #1.#2.#3. etc. We cannot judge any Wr. It's who Rodgers wants! As we've seen with Adams ,Nelson, or anybody in the past. Rodgers has confidence in certain Wrs. He will make or brake them. And at this point. I'm willing to let him decide. When Non - Draft free Agents keep making this club. Somebody needs to draft better. I believe were seeing Over achievers. MVS, Moore, st.Brown,Davis, have run out of time. Either Rodgers throws to them or get them out of here.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:47 pm

Stockholder,
Did someone hijack your computer?

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D.D.Driver's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:13 pm

In the 3rd quarter, Gary is is playing across guys that won't be on a roster next month. He should DOMINATING those guys. Geez....

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 12:16 pm

“MVS, Moore, st.Brown,Davis, have run out of time. Either Rodgers throws to them or get them out of here.”

With the exception of Moore, perhaps the award for the least considered statement of the day from a non troll.

FYI, Davis was getting a ton of love and throws till he got hurt by a Texan being a jerk.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

August 16, 2019 at 01:11 pm

I didn't share the concern of some regarding the Packers WR position heading into the season and now I'm even more impressed with the group. So much so I believe they'll have to waive at least one WR with NFL talent.
Lazard has looked good in preseason games but I'd like to see him vs. another team's 1s before advocating for keeping him. With his size I wonder if he could earn a roster by being a hybrid WR/TE? Has he already shown so much he wouldn't make it to the PS? There's only one cut-down day this season so I wonder if that'll make it easier to hide players on the PS? Then they can try to pay him more than the minimum to stay put.
Shepherd has been a revelation to me - and I'm sure to a lot of Packers fans. I'm really impressed by him and one thing in particular is the ease with which he catches punts and KOs. If it comes down to him or Davis, the loser will certainly be claimed by another team. If that's the choice I'd lean toward Shepherd based upon Davis' injury history.

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Bure9620's picture

August 16, 2019 at 01:23 pm

DA, Allison, MVS, Kumerow, Lazard, Shepard

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Swisch's picture

August 16, 2019 at 04:18 pm

I'm truly sad to see any of our young receivers go, but I also wonder how fans here feel about these choices:
(1) Allison or Kumerow?
(2) Shepherd or Davis?
(3) ESB or Lazard?
(4) Redding or Moore?
In some cases, it could be both, or neither.
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I have Adams as the only lock, but it seems MVS is almost a sure thing. I'd keep Shepherd.
After those three, however, it's a tough call -- up for grabs, to put it another way. I don't think any of the rest have really shown so much in the regular season as to be a certainty if there are newer guys with vastly more upside.
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Perhaps the next couple of weeks make it easier to decide.
However, there seems to be an element of luck in getting targeted in the preseason -- so it's necessary to balance in practice performance, too.
Then there's the knack for evaluating future results looking at things like grit, hands, focus, route running and field sense. Maybe you call college coaches and teammates to see which guys are really gamers.
There's also the courage to take a chance on a young guy or two who is less established but has a certain something as far as star potential.
Quite the drama!

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Lombardi Trophy's picture

August 16, 2019 at 03:41 pm

(1) Kumerow
(2) Shepherd AND Davis
(3) ESB or Lazard = neither

I don't think any of our WR's from #2 down would be higher than a #4 on most NFL rosters. A couple of these guys might develop in time, but they all have flaws that need to be worked on. Because we can't fix an entire position group at this stage in the (off)season, I'd keep the best 5 and look for a vet at roster cutdown. Then look to draft 2 WR's next year from a deep class.

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dobber's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:16 pm

The Packers have always relied on #12 making 3/4 WRs look like 2/3 WR. When the time comes that he can't do that, they're going to have to work harder to surround him with better players or they're going to have to let QB1 go.

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Lombardi Trophy's picture

August 18, 2019 at 01:51 pm

Rodgers has made average WR's look better than they are, but he was a Super Bowl winner when he had Nelson, Jennings, Jones. etc. If we want to get him another ring, it's time to surround him with more talent.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:45 pm

In a previous post I wrote I’d take Shepherd over Davis but I think keeping both is a better idea. I think Kumerow is a lock – don’t forget he looked very good last year before he summersaulted onto IR. He’s big, runs good routes and Rodgers has sung his praises on several occasions going back to last year. I think Geronimo is being unfairly overlooked – he too has Rodger’s confidence and produced last season before he got hurt. And there’s no way they’re waiving MVS. So that’s Adams, Allison, Kumerow, Valdes-Scantling, Shepherd and Davis. I think they keep six. If Davis isn’t healthy put him on IR and pick the next best. My guess is that’s St. Brown or Lazard.

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Branden Burke's picture

August 16, 2019 at 08:51 pm

What does keeping both do for you? Davis has shown nothing on offense. His specialty is returning kicks, which the NFL has tried it's hardest to eliminate from the game. He didn't really return punts last year. So he seems like a wasted roster spot to me, especially if shepherd does kr and pr as well as he did and doesn't seem incompetent on offense. Davis is the new Jarrett bush. He won't be in the league in 2 years.

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Branden Burke's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:06 pm

I will never understand the hype for the "new guys" at Wr on the roster bubble every year. Every year there is the Tory gurley, Jared abbrederis, Jeff Janis, Jarret boykins types. We all act like they are stars waiting for their opportunities. Well, they all have one thing in common. They are free agents with almost no impact on the NFL. Lazard and Davis won't be in the NFL in 2 years. They are replacement level players. Shepherd is a bottom roster guy that might give you a little bit for a couple years. Moore has the best potential to be a real player but can't catch. EQ is the next closest bubble player to actually being a potential #3. Allison is a solid possession receiver, but he isn't anything special either. He will carve out a career but could just as easily vanish like boykins. I like the wr roster, but there are a ton of question marks there. I wouldn't waste roster space on guys that don't have potential to be something in a couple years. Lazzard and Davis won't help you win.

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ThxJackVainisi's picture

August 17, 2019 at 09:23 am

"Davis shown nothing on offense." I think that's true until this year. From what we've read about him, he fits LaFleur's offense well (as does Shepherd). Keeping both is injury insurance: With both they should have a dynamic returner for punts and KOs and they'd have a smaller quicker slot WR unlike the other WRs on the roster.

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Lombardi Trophy's picture

August 18, 2019 at 01:54 pm

Agreed. Davis is finally being properly utilized and is starting to show what he can do. He just has to stay healthy.

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Lombardi Trophy's picture

August 18, 2019 at 01:53 pm

Yeah, I think Shepherd and Davis bring that speed/quickness that you see the Rams and Niners utilize in their schemes. With injuries, GB would be wise to have 2 players with that skill set. There are plenty of tall slow Geronimo's out there.

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NitschkeFan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 03:16 pm

Have not heard much praise for the TE’s this preseason. Maybe keep one more WR and one less TE?

I know this was to be the year of running and using 2 TE formations. Maybe we will see that a lot next week?

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Coldworld's picture

August 16, 2019 at 03:23 pm

A lot of praise for Tonyan. Sternberger was just starting to show before being taken out in joint practices by Texan safety. Graham has done a few things in practice and caught one last night in first game action. Lewis hasn’t been targeted. Most of the work last night was Tonyan then depth

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Branden Burke's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:10 pm

I would be ok with seeing a heavy dose of the young guys from here on out.

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Iowapackerfan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 03:28 pm

Lazard should make the team because he can run good routes, gets open, is a big target, and most importantly, MAKES THE CATCH if the ball's decently thrown. After being the top receiver in Iowa State history, it's hard to understand why he has been underrated (undrafted) in the NFL. He ran a 4.55 at the combine -- I guess that's not fast enough for some people. Give me Adams, Allison, MVS, Kumerow, Sheppard, and Lazard. If they keep a 7th make it EQ.

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Packers2020's picture

August 16, 2019 at 03:34 pm

How do you figure that Allison and St Brown are locks to make the roster?

Allison is an undrafted FA. We gave him some guaranteed money this year because we tendered him, yes but that does not make him safe. I have not seen a ton from him this camp.

St Brown is a 6th round pick in his 2nd year. He again has not shown much in camp aside from the ST's play. Does he have talent? Yes, but when you have another 6'5" WR that is getting it done I am not so sure St Brown is a lock.

Lastly, we will not keep 7 WR's. Go do a roster look and try to keep 53 with 7 WR's. It is not happening. Especially, since ML likes to run and use FB's in the passing game. I would say 6 WR's at the most.

Do not be surprised if there are some cuts at WR that we are not expecting.

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NitschkeFan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 04:38 pm

Would they rather keep M. Lewis, a 35 year old TE who it appears is going to see almost no action? Or a Fullback? Or a young WR with loads of potential upside?

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dobber's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:13 pm

G-Mo didn't play week 1, showed just fine last night. By all accounts he's looked very solid in camp running mostly out of the slot. I've never been a fan, but I think he's a lock.

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IceBowl's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:45 pm

dobber ,

I agree G-Mo is a lock. All he has done, when healthy, is produce. We only have two others who can claim the same ... Adams and Kumerow.

But i also have to believe Guty is looking to trade our talent he can't keep.

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Branden Burke's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:23 pm

With the new offense, I think the roster needs to be constructed with Rodgers's guys. Players that he has trust in. It will make the transition the easiest for him and the offense. So Adams, Kumerow, Allison, and MVS should all be locks.

The worst thing green Bay has done in the last few years on offense was get rid of a Rodgers guy, Jared cook. Instead they have been propping up the corpses of Bennett and Jimmy graham when that could be another position of strength. The players he endorses always produce for them if they aren't injured. Chemistry is worth as much as coaching any day.

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fthisJack's picture

August 17, 2019 at 08:16 am

Allison is a lock for all you non believers.

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Packer_Fan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 03:55 pm

WR,s. Keep Adams, MVS, Allison, Kumerow, St Brown and Shepherd. I always wanted to draft Isabella for slot receiver but Shepherd is the guy. Then Vitale as FB and TE. Then keep three TE. Keep Graham because he costs too much, dump Lewis they won't throw to him and Tonyan and sternberger.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 05:16 pm

Rinse repeat, every preseason the debate over which of our incredible WR's to cut. We have ONE incredible WR and the rest are no better than what every team has as their 3's or 4's. TT did one thing well, he drafted WR in the 2nd round. It's the one thing Gute should have copied. You need a guy with a huge ceiling... the guys we're all discussing now won't come near the ceiling of a Jordy or a Jennings. Two big flubs this draft period, Gary at #12 and no WR in the 2nd.

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Mark S's picture

August 16, 2019 at 06:44 pm

I'm making what is a pretty safe prediction. They keep them all but Moore. Davis will stay on IR and another will join him. Depending on other injuries 1 or both will be designated to return. And Lombardi Trophy I'm really glad you arent a GM, wouldn't know NFL WR talent if it but you. That said they need to play Lazar, Shepard & EQ as much with 1s as possible this week because that's the final true & necessary test

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Art's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:00 pm

In order to win you keep players based on PRODUCTION not draft position. Keeping players based on draft status only strokes ego of the GM's previous guesses. Donald Driver was a 7th round pick, I would believe WR's drafted higher were rerleased during his tenure on the team.
What about Bart Starr? Wasn't he about a 15th round pick?
Kumerow and Shepard are producing and have the trust of AR. They get open and they make catches exactly why AR trusts throwing their way.

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wildbill's picture

August 16, 2019 at 07:19 pm

Bart Starr was a 17th round pick. I would hate to lose promising wr talent but would prefer the extra slot go to OL or DB. Since we have been told that our new offense will throw more to the RBs and TEs I am not sure we can afford the luxury of a seventh WR

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:35 pm

You can afford the luxury of talent and if you should be so fortunate to have WR's rated high on your team over some other positions you find a way to keep them. You just do!

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BoCallahan's picture

August 16, 2019 at 09:36 pm

With all this talent at WR Gute should package a few together and make a trade. Toss J Mon in for icing on the cake. Maybe we can pick up an ILB.

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Jack_Vainisi's picture

August 16, 2019 at 10:16 pm

When Starr was drafted the NFL had 12 teams, not 32.

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Art's picture

August 17, 2019 at 07:51 am

Lets assume Starr was 1st pick of 17th round. 12 teams x 16 rounds = 192 picks before him. In today"s draft of 32 teams pick 193 equals 1st pick of 7th round.

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PackersWinning's picture

August 16, 2019 at 11:38 pm

Kumerow, Allen Lazard, and Darrius Shepherd have played their way on the roster joining Davante, G Mo and MVD. Realistically Kumerow earned it, Lazard is better than EQ (production matters) and Davis plays about 15 minutes a season and he’s free agent after this season.

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Guam's picture

August 17, 2019 at 08:20 am

Lazard has played well against bottom of the roster players, but I need to see him against the other team's number 1s before I will be ready to give him a roster spot. EQ has played and produced against opponent's number 1s (last season in actual games) which is why I believe he is still ahead of Lazard.

There are still two more preseason games, so much can still happen. I think Davante is the only real lock at this stage with G Mo, MVS and Kumerow having the inside track on three more spots.

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Peterparker's picture

August 17, 2019 at 02:41 am

hello

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