bottom line too many negative plays on offense , no consistency, has to be poor coaching.

Willis 3-0 and Love 3-3. Wonder who should have started the games when Love was hurt?

Cory's right, we've all seen this movie. Problem is, the Packers want to keep playing it 9 weeks after this movie first came out. IMO Love shouldn't have played, he was compromised and it was obvious from the start. MLF didn't do ANYONE a favor with some of the play calls he made either.

Funny thing, Malik Willis has won just as many games as Jordan Love has this year...THREE... He won two he started and one he brought them back the week before. I REALLY hope we start to see a hint of the $55 million dollar man we saw last season or it's going to be a long couple of years until that contract is done.

We all blamed Rodgers for essentially telling LaFleur what to do. It’s pretty clear that was an issue. However, it seems we underestimated how easy that is to do. LaFleur has pretty much admitted now that Love plays unless Love tells him he can’t. LaFleur had told us that after the last two games and reiterated it immediately on the Monday in between that it’s down to Love entirely once the medical threshold is cleared. We don’t have a head coach we have a facilitator.

Given the above a lot of the other issues become more understandable. LaFleur is not leading this team. He does not lead. Our play, personnel choices and problems flow from that fact and long have done.

Geez, with all the negative talk about Love and this team since Sunday’s game you would think this team is 3-6 and not 6-3. We just played arguably the best team in the NFL and the best OL and really lost the game because of our own errors (penalties, dropped passes and pick 6). Physically, I believe we matched them.

Regarding Love, I remember stating to folks that we should wait till the upcoming mid year before giving him 55 M per year and was wildly down voted. My reasoning is because if you really watched all of Love’s throws during the winning streak last year you would’ve notice that he many times threw it into harms way. BUT, last year the ball fell GB’s way. Not so much this year, when he does that he isn’t getting away with it and the other team is catching it.

Now, I still think he is a very, very talented QB and want him as our QB, I just felt the Packers would’ve been better served if they waited till this year to sign him. For all the mistakes Love makes, he makes far more great plays because he’s not a scared to make the tough throw or let his WR go up and get a 50/50 ball. Who does that remind you of? Or better yet, who does it not remind you of?

I am occasionally at odds with this author about his viewpoint, but he got this one spot on. The Packer's offense are an undisciplined bunch. And that traces directly back to the HC and offensive coaching staff. Many on CHTV make fun of the Lion's HC, Dan Campbell, for his old school comments and coaching style but his team is very disciplined and they don't beat themselves.

LaFleur needs to do a serious self evaluation and determine what it is going to take to get his offense to play with considerably more discipline. It doesn't have to be Dan Campbell style leadership as Andy Reid gets the KC offense to play with discipline and he uses a more "new age" coaching approach. But something needs to change.

Maybe LaFleur should have a chat with Jeff Hafley - the Packer defense seems to play with a great deal more discipline than the offense.

This team is not ready for the playoffs. We have said it before this team commits too many penalties. There are some penalties that are excusable such as PI, unnecessary roughness, and I will include both defense and offensive holding, and chop blocks because those are a result of hard playing and sometimes a judgement call on the officials. But the offsides, false starts, illegal lineup, delay of game, and unsprotsmanship need to stop. These are professionals.

The interceptions are acceptable when you are taking chances and when you need to take those chances or when you throw TDs to cover the interception (like Favre did). There is nothing wrong with throwing away the ball even if that means you punt the ball.

This team needs to grow up and play like professionals. They have the talent. Make the opponent beat you; do not beat yourself.

Mental toughness is necessary for any championship team. Last year, the Packers were focused and played like a championship team in the second half of the season. Maybe it's a misunderstanding among the team that all they need is to do what they did last year and get the same results. The issue is they have to step up their game. They are young, harder to do but the sooner the coaches get them to flip that switch to play with excellence the sooner they will see the Lombardi trophy.
Just MHO

Good crisp writing & accurate assessment. Merci beaucoup!

"[I]nstead of living to see another day and throwing a dart at the Lions Gatorade cooler, he threw it up."

Which is what I wanted to do after that Pick Six. But I'm not ready to give up this season yet. It's still a matter of which team gets hot when the playoffs come. Just ask the Eli Manning Giants teams that beat the Patriots in the SB twice. And at least we're not hearing the infamous, weekly refrain of "we're going to address that" after every bad game under McCarthy.

One other thing. If the OL is having problems with discipline and getting too many penalties, although the blame ultimately has to fall on LaFleur, a lot of blame also has to be put on the OL coach. That would be Butkus, someone I never thought was a top tier coach. This would also fall on Stenavich, though. He was an excellent OL coach who was bumped up to OC, probably to keep him with the team. But he should also have been given the job of keeping an eye on the OL and its coach. Time to take a hard look at both Butkus and Bisaccia, and consider some changes.

Are we going to have to overhaul our DL to get a decent pass rush and to find players who can stop the run? Maybe going to a 4-3, with players who can play in a 3-4 scheme wasn't such a great idea. We have nullified Preston Smith and Rashan Gary. Kenny Clark has been AWOL, as well. How often has Karl Brooks and Colby Wooden made a significant impact along the DL, in this 4-3 scheme? Devonte Wyatt can play. Arron Mosby had a sack on Goff, but other than that, I wouldn't have known he was even playing. TJ Slaton is almost invisible, as well. I'd like to hear what a guy like Saleh has to say about our DL. I keep waiting for Hafley to spring a new look on a play, whether it's a blitz or a way to stop the run. The second half of the season is upon us. Let's go!

“The ball didn’t go where I wanted it to.”

Now, there's your problem! Somebody's gonna need to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with the damn ball.

Nice job, Cory. Good read.

This is a good article by Cory. well done.

But as I sit here reading this I just can't help but think what a huge day today is for Americans. This day could change the futures of many people. As we sit back and watch the clock minute by minute, hour by hour the anxiety starts to build. What will happen. We will find out soon enough though.

So I am asking a question to all the Packer fans here. Please do your part and partake. Please let us know who you want. Who is your choice. Who do you feel like can do the best to get us to where we want to be.

Of course I'm talking about the trade deadline being today. Who do you Packer fans want to trade for if they make a move. What position do you think would help us reach the ultimate goal?

Right now I think there are 2 positions that need help. Pass rush and CB.

Wouldn't that be grand?Have many doubts but know that there are 8 games left but hey win all 8 and 14-3. Are we allowed any optimism? Risible.

Allot of these pre-snap penalties of the O might be because of a lack of practice. There are a bunch of dings that these players are getting and missing practice. If you can't practice, you can't start is the way it should be. Teamwork not star power. Remember how many "vet rest" practice days we used to have? I can even let it slide for a dinged-up older RB. Not the O-line, receivers or QB. They all need to be in sync. You can't get that from walk throughs or on game day warmups.

The off week hopefully will put these youngsters in a place to step out and play some clean tough football. This team is loaded with talent from top to bottom and this season is far from being a repeat that we've seen before. I think they'll shake off these tick-tac mistakes. If not, like stated above in other comments, the head coach WILL be accountable.

It's a long season and the bright side of this is that it wasn't inflicted by other teams so it's in the control of the Packers to fix.

The Lions played their first outdoor game of the year, in cold, wet, and rainy weather. The Lions were out gained in total yardage.

Still, the Lions 100% ran the Packers off their own field.

The Lions are the better team. Period. The Lions are the better coached team. Period.

Did GB really think they would have a real chance against the likely best team in the NFL?
What I heard/read from fans all week was genuine fear that a rookie was out (Williams), Jaire (who is out 1/2 of every season) was out and Love better play (though he is clearly operating @ 60%)
Why is the team relying so heavily on a rookie Safety? Why is there 1 Corner? Why are grown fans trashing an injured QB who has been trotted out injured all season?
The Defense has 1 Real corner, a very weak Pass Rush and several LB's who are subpar. That is the truth.
GB has drafted poorly on the DL and Corner 'Room 'and will have to address it. They need to stop referring to Nixon, Valentine and Stokes as Cornerbacks-they are not.

The Offense will gel again, these guys are young-Davante dropped balls a lot in his second year. There is no WR Vet presence because most of the Draft Capital and big contracts have gone to highly paid, oft-injured, poorly producing Defensive players--most recent LVN, Gary, Walker, Alexander.

MacKinney is the only big contract Defensive guy worth it.

My two cents. In my working life as a Training Manager for a state dept of transp, I found myself going to top management and explaining I was getting concerned at the lack of mental skills some of the new people we were hiring. I said we cant train people who cant read/write or understand directions.
Its too costly and we can solve that issue by being more prudent on who we hire.

Now turn that around to football. I always thought one thing the Vikes insisted on when drafting is to draft guys who were not only talented but had smarts too. For several years the Vikes led the league in the least penalties. Again, smart guys can be coached on the rules and what not to do.

We've all heard, poorly coached teams have a lot of penalties and I say that is part of it but if you dont draft people who "get it" they will just keep making stupid mistakes over and over because they dont get it. These mistakes by the packers to me suggest we have a team of guys who arent exactly rocket scientist and thus the penaties will continue if I'm correct.

I mean its like being taught something to do physically and getting it wrong and maybe wrong again but eventually getting it right because in your mind you understood what right was suppose to look like.

Bottom line for me with the packers org, they draft shitty. Thats the problem. They dont pay attention to smarts, injury records (led league in injuries how many years Ted). They dont do their fn homework.

When Gutt said he picked Gary because he can play two positions and they value that over anything, I thought wow JJ Watt plays only one and does it at a HOF level, I think I would rather have that talent on my team. This is the shit pack fans have to deal with off the field decisions that cause on the field f ups.

If you blame MLF you're an idiot.

I've always said Love wasn't Rodgers.
He demanded perfection.

Love doesn't.
He isn't Mahomes either.

His INT before 1/2 said it all.
Until he shows he won't help DIG the hole.
Don't expect others not to screw up either.

Actions always speak louder than words.
Until Love becomes the leader Rodgers was.

MLF will never have more than a average team.

Love needs to settle down and be much smarter. He’s a veteran now and must start playing like one. GPG.

“You can’t do that against a really good football team.” No, “You can’t do that and BE a really good football team.” Is there a problem with coaching Love harder? That pick 6 routine is something you should learn not to do...in High School.

Can the coaching staff do objective, self analysis of their approach or will denial be their game? Hoping for the former, not the latter. MLF has shown a tendency to move very slowly, even when obvious and objective change is warranted. It's one of the greatest reasons that I believe thst while he's a great offensive mind, he's still lacking in the attributes needed to be a COTY. This team needs a massive dose of good, old fashioned discipline coaching. And that MUST start with HC on down.

GB is not a complete team-it's not all on Love/MLF.
There are 30% of players who are and will remain sub-par---mostly on Defense, LB, PR and Corner
These sub-pars were chosen by the GM

Originally I thought before the game that they should have sat Love given the injury the timing of the bye and the weather. After some thought and the way we lost and the team that beat us and how, I now think that this might be a good lesson both for Love and Lafleur. Love not only played horrible as did some of his receivers and his center was unable to handle the weather. But now Love has the experience of having played in bad weather when hurt and hopefully he wont make the same mistakes next time. Now I am not going to give Lafleur a pass for all year his red zone offense is nondescript and bland and on the short field. Not getting a TD on the first drive was deflating. Finally we definitely need middle linebacker improvement.