"You could say the same about the defensive line. I absolutely love Iowa’s Lukas Van Ness. He certainly fits the mold that the Packers want. He’s a selfless guy that is willing to play anywhere. I’m just not sure he’s worth the No. 15 pick — especially when Clemson’s Bryan Bresee might be even better at a lower price. "

Cory, what do you mean by lower price?

What is the "price" and what is the differential in "price".

Can you be specific?

My draft crush is Darnell wright and andy did his show on him today do yourselves a favor and watch

Dripping with talent, yet, not a single player mentioned slots into the #15, except Mayer, also ranked #15 Overall by Athlon.

Does Addison? He piled his stats in at Pitt as a Sophomore. They dropped significantly after transferring to USC for one year. He had 18 career PR for 12.2 and 2 career KR for 19.2.

Does Van Ness? Maybe. I want some hustle numbers with an EDGE. TFL, sacks, FF, FR seem to be lacking, the latter 2 categories he has nothing. FFs are game changing plays. So are FRs. Good pressure numbers, hits, but needs a ton of development. He’s got the RAS, but not a single start.

Bresee? He’s got fewer, plus injury history.

OT Darnell Wright is good, but ranked #52 Overall in Athlon’s Top 100, and projects him R2-3.

OT Dewand Jones 6-9 370 exceeds the Packers weight profile and ranks #36 overall.

CB Kelee Ringo is a late 1st-early 2nd.

No were not taking a OT @#1.
You want a RT. Sign Turner again.
After all; Gutey puts 1 year guys there.

As far as the DL. Forget it.
Bresee And Van Ess are turtles.
Turtles don’t get off blocks.
AND- Compared to Wyatt. Move on.

Dbs.- Ok I’ll buy your Argument for Ringo.
Much rather have him, then a guy from bama.

Don’t quote the Bears. They Suck.

Gutey should trade down, for a windfall.
And fill the DL and Safety with the extras.
But take TE first.

Addison would be the last person
to take, if you want a physical WR.
He won’t be returning anything, if he’s good.
But he is a matchup-nightmare. If in motion.
I can’t see him outrunning an All pro CB.
He will be shadowed by a CB. Neutralizing him.
His small catch Radius could indicate, he won’t
make the contested Catch.
Which is why I wouldn’t take him @15.

I love drafts like this. You have QBs that are young and with questionable stats but physical prowess. Richardson from Fl and Levis from Ky. Teams that need QBs know they won’t fall to end of first so have to trade up. Green Bay has never been in a position where they could reap that benefit. At least not in a long time, but now they can. Hopefully they can get a little more than normal in their trade back, if they do it, because teams have to try and get that special QB.
Who the Pack gets will be a mystery to me. I still see a top ten player drop to them and have to make a decision of take the player or trade back and chose another two maybe not as good but more value. Let’s say Robinson drops to the Packers, but the Chargers or Cowboys want to trade down to late first but throw in another 2nd round pick. Do you take the best RB in the draft or get a possible DL guy from your new pick that you couldn’t touch before? Just an example of what could happen.
One last issue, we don’t know what the injuries are on some of these players. Since it’s officially the lying time of the season don’t put much weight on injury discussions. We don’t and won’t know that aspect.
Just MHO

Love needs more playmakers, period. Excluding Jones and Dillon, how can we expect him to succeed with three 2 year WRs with a history of injuries already? Trade Up, Trade Down, Trade Sideways…..don’t care. Just get some players that can move the chains!!

According to the CHTV Draft Guide, Dawand Jones does not fit with what the Packers are looking for in an OT. I'd go for Paris Johnson or Peter Skoronski, before I thought about taking Dawand Jones. #15, in the draft probably won't be a TE or WR, either as that is something the Packers do not do. I'd look for a Defender(DB, Edge, Line guy) or an O Line guy at 15, if you are trying to predict what the Packers will do with that pick.Personally, I'd like Jaxon Ngiba-Smith, as a Slot WR picked there, or a stud DB like Witherspoon, Gonzalez or Branch. I have a feeling Bijan Robinson falls to 15. A RB, of his caliber, doesn't come around too often. Yes, we have Jones and Dillon, with Taylor riding the pine, but Dillon is in the last year of his contract. Will Gute bite on Bijan? I don't think so, but the vikings may move up to grab him. Do we want that guy running against us at least twice a season? Therein lies the rub, for getting a DL guy who can stop the run, at #15.

If Bijan is the generational talent that scouts predict he is, then I am ok with drafting him. Jones cap hit jumps again next year and Dillon is at the end of his contract. He can do all the things that Jones does and more and do it for a lot cheaper. But, like others have posted, I don’t see us drafting him. So, if that’s the case, we better draft players that can tackle him.

“The guy the Packers should be targeting simply because this isn’t as big of a wide receiver pool, is USC’s Jordan Addison.”

Cory Jennerjohn
“The Draft is Dripping With Value”
April 8, 2023

“It wouldn’t make any sense for the Packers to burn a high draft pick on a receiver.”

Cory Jennerjohn
“The Packers Need a Veteran Wideout”
April 4, 2023

LOL. Even Cory doesn’t believe his own stuff…

My draft crush is Darnell wright at 15 checks all gb boxes and we know d Bach is gone at least in 24 ( 40 mil cap hit if he’s not gone 20 dead cap hit if gone ) and yosh may be gone next year also. Wright could be a long term all-pro starter for gb on rookie contract for five years !! I know he’s not the sexy pick but the perfect gb pick. Mike wahle and others have him as the best olineman in this years draft. Also just 21 years old. I than would look for the best remaining t e in second. If we have an extra pick in second-look for db-Brents or wr or an edge

Don't we have a Jordan Addison clone on the team now? Bo Melton from Rutgers. I used to obsess with the fact that what the Packers are lacking in the passing game is a guy like Tyreek Hill, small & fast. But I realized it seems like anyone can play the slot receiver, big or small. What we are lacking is using the TE position as a weapon like GOOD teams do.

Would Addison improve our team more than Kinkaid, Mayer, Washington, Kraft, Kunz? I would say no
.
Will Gary be ready to go for the season opener? 50/50 chance. Edge is our # 2 need.

Are there not at least 10 really good, bigger, faster receivers that will be available after the 1st round? YES

Is any WR projected round 1 WR really that much better than the 10 or 12 we can take in the 2nd ?

Do we really want to spend #15 on a Right Tackle? Because Wright wasn't any better than a lot of Left Tackles in this draft that we could take later where we have had better luck picking O-line.

Maybe Bahktiari's replacement is on the team already in Njiman, Toms, Rhyan, or Rasheed Walker.

Green Bay has at least got 3/4 of a good WR group on the team already and a couple good players from this draft could make it a young, strong position group. Just lacking experience. Or adding Mims from the Jets.

We don't have 1/4 of a TE group on our team now. Not one TE on our team now could probably make another NFL teams 53-man roster. I do have hope for Austin Allen but we need to add 3 in this strong draft starting with our first pick after trading back.

I just fail to see how we would pass up trading back with #15 if we could find a partner.
The latest rumor is the Bills want to trade up, maybe for Bijan. If it was with us and why not, we could drop to #27, and get #59 & #137 to boot. To me then it's an easy decision to pick our favorite of the top 5 TEs. We could pop for the best WR @ #59, and #137 a RB or S or another TE.

If the Jets trade goes through before the draft, obviously that would impact what we do at #15. If we got #13 we should trade back with #15 for more picks. If we got both 2023 2nds, we could trade back #43 or #45 to later in the second round and pick up at least another 3rd or more. The Patriots are famous for always moving up in the second. This is how we win this draft and turn it from good to great. NO WR IN ROUND 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5’11” receiver @ 15, with watson and doubs in yr 2? Yes we need more bodies but those two may very well be true 1 and 2 receivers, even this year. Fortify the lines!

Quenton Johnston =Jonathon Mingo=AT Perry=Cedric Tillman=Andre Iosivas=Bryce Ford-Wheaton=Xavier Hutchinson=Matt Landers=Elijah Higgins=Jadon Hazelwood=Donte Demus. Is everyone catching my drift here?
WE don't need a WR in the first round. Quenton Johnston is not head and shoulders above all of these WR I mentioned here so why would we push WR or OT ahead of the actual biggest needs in TE and Edge.

Safety is also a bigger need than WR but I wouldn't recommend we draft one ahead of TE, Edge, DT or WR because the value isn't there. WE can get a good Safety in the late 2nd or 3rd. I hope Battle is available for us.

We have a good, full O-line group. We don't need an OT in the 1st or 2nd unless we end up with 4 picks. One from trade back from #15, 2 from the Jets, and our own @ 45. The Packers have to be smart with their picks and have a plan and stick to it. More picks is more pieces of the pie. Why overdraft an OT or WR and then lose out on good players at positions we really need in this draft. Stay the course-trade back-get more picks.

NO.

"In 2020 at the University of Pittsburgh, he totaled 666 receiving yards."

666 is a sign Addison is the last WR we should draft. ; P

I doubt Addison is even on Gutey's draft board, at all. 5' 11" 173 pounds. Cory mentions his return ability after we already re-signed Nixon. Bo Melton can also return punts and kickoffs. No way I'm spending a 1st round pick on Addison if I'm Gutey. I would expect him to draft Bryce Ford-Wheaton a round early (4th round) than draft Addison, especially in the 1st round.

Drafting is as much about potential as it is about past production.

Addison: 5' 11" 173lbs 4.49 speed (Small and Slow seems like a way get back to Amari Rodgers in a hurry.)

Wheaton: 6' 4" 221lbs 4.38 speed (Bigger and faster than Allen Lazard and bigger and just as fast as MVS.)

Just my guess, but it would seem Wheaton would give us much more in the blocking department than a tiny guy like Addison. Wheaton could easily take Allen Lazard's place in the WR Corps as our #3 WR. With his speed, he can also take over MVS's roll, taking the top off of defenses opposite Watson. If they double Watson, Wheaton will have single coverage. Doubs probably will too.

Still don't know why so many people believe Gutey will break a 20-year trend of "not" drafting a WR in the 1st round this year. He won't. There isn't even a WR I would give a 1st round grade to this year.

Oh, I know there will be WRs drafted in the 1st round, but that doesn't mean they should be 1st rounders. IMO Addison isn't a 1st rounder, especially for the Packers.

The next 30 days are going to be fun!

Sorry but youre never gonna sell me on a 173 pound receiver in the 1st round, especially when this team which requires bigger receivers who can block. Give me Jones/Johnson/Skoronski at 15 (assuming one of them falls, if not then trade down) and Cedric Tillman+ Sam Laporta in the 2nd. If they can snag Chase Brown and Jonathan Mingo in the 3rd/4th then even better.

My top 3 players for pick 15 are Calijah Kancey, Nolan Smith and Dalton Kincaid. Kancey is the closest guy to Aaron Donald I have seen since he was drafted and could be a major difference maker for the Dline which is in dire need of bodies. Nolan Smith reminds me of Micah Parsons and brings a different element to our OLB group. Kincaid will be a target machine and perfectly compliments what we have in Watson and Doubs on the outside.

I would also be willing to trade down and pick up some extra draft picks on day 2 because of the depth of the TEs, Edge players and a pretty good group of WRs after the first round.

I would save taking OL till the 4th round where GB has had a lot of success over the years.

I agree completely Stockholder. You are spot on for what should be Green Bay's only draft strategy.

"Gutey should trade down, for a windfall.
And fill the DL and Safety with the extras.
But take TE first."

If we were a contending team and a stud had fallen to #15, I could justify picking there. We are NOT a contending team so we have no business wasting a chance for 3 really good players by not trading back, just for the luxury of picking at #15. 3 potential starters instead of 1. Seems like a no brainer.

If we have a great draft, fill a bunch of holes, and stay healthy next year, we could make the playoffs at best. Thats a lot of ifs but it's possible. Having multiple weapons at TE and actually using them, along with 2 more good WR makes our offense look pretty damn good on paper. We don't completely suck like the Bears have for years, we are not that far off. Maybe a decent FA Safety gets cut later and falls in our laps for cheap. That and Gary coming back 100% gives us at worst a middle of the pack defense.

It all comes down to their evaluations. If they see a guy at 15 as a generational talent, they should take him, regardless of position. If they think there’s little to differentiate the talent level from, say, 18 to 60, they should trade down. But as many on here have said, they’ve got to find a trading partner. Maybe lots of GM’s think that’s the range they want to accumulate picks in. If that’s the case, it’ll be tougher to move there.
We shall see.

There are always potential trading partners TK. Who saw the trade with the Saints coming? Teams are going to trade up for at least 2 players this year in Bijan Robinson and Hendon Hooker. If Buffalo wants Robinson as has been rumored, #15 would be a great place to get him. We would get #27, #59, and #130 back. We take our pick of the best TE for us and this draft starts off with a bang for us. That opens up 2nd round for best Edge and best WR.

Add in the Jets #42 and #43 and things get interesting in a hurry. There would be some great opportunities staring us in the face.

The Green Bay Packers are not in a position to just draft the BPA, regardless of position, this year.

That is a luxury only the good teams can afford. Thats not us, this year.

Here’s how NOT to draft:

Rd 1: best edge rusher on the board
Rd 2: best tight end available
Rd 3: best safety on the board
Rd 4: best d-lineman on the board
Etc etc etc

Yet it seems many fans think this is the way, but it is a recipe for disaster.
Except when a team gets lucky and it actually works out okay.

I’ll say again golfpacker, I like your reasoning.
I’ve always held that if able to draft/pursue a blue-chipper—then take him. It’s based on the Ron Wolf theory, “if you love a player— go get him.”
However, imo, your “trade down” draft rationale is very persuasive; others have said similar and agree with you.
What do you (and others) believe we should do if we are given a #1 & #2 by the Jets for ARod? Trade both the 13th & 15 pick for additional picks?
I’m very interested in what you, et al., suggest?
Go Packers!!!

Hey Starr. I would love to get #13 from the Jets this year along with their 2024 2nd round pick that could turn into a 1st. Along with some players, I want Jeremy Ruckert-TE and Denzel Mims-WR. I honestly think what we will agree to is both of their 2023 round 2 picks, which are #42 & #43 respectively. Plus the 2024 conditional pick and I still want the players. In this scenario I ask for another cheap, young Safety to complete the deal. 3 players at positions we need and all around $1.5 million each.

If we got #13 from the Jets and since we would have 2 first rounders, and if a top Edge or OT fell to us, I would pick them at #13. But if someone offered a home run trade offer I would trade #13. We need to fill a bunch of holes on this team, not just one. A trade back from 13, depending how far we are trading back, would get us at least 3 picks back. The other teams 1st, 2nd, and 4th. That's 3 really good players instead of 1. I would trade back with at least one of the 1st round picks, maybe both if the offers were strong enough and we didn't have to move back past top of 2nd round. It all depends on finding a trade partner. The higher you pick a player, the more you pay them. This draft is very strong to the end of the 3rd round so trade back and get more cheaper, quality players.

If we trade back in the first round for extra picks and get both Jets 2nd rounders in the Jets trade, we would have 4 picks total in the meat of the draft. It would be tempting to trade back to the end of the 2nd round with one of those for an extra 3rd rounder. That would fill every position of need with quality players in 3 rounds and we could start doubling up @ TE, S, WR, & Edge.

Thats long winded but really good teams can just sit back and take best player available at any position. Green Bay has too many needs and needs more swings of the bat to turn this into a great draft.

If Van Ness is there at 15 run to the podium to take him. If we had the number one pick it would make sense to trade down. We do not. Quantity does not trump quality. It is most important to prioritize the needs. To be specific: Edge, DL, and TE. in that order. If we can get three starters in those areas it will have been a successful draft. Period.

Do you want a project with the 15th pick? Then pick Van Ness. I am a Iowa Hawkeyes fan and I like Lukas, but there is always a "flavor of the draft group" and Van Ness is in it. So I sure wouldn't pick him in the first round.

So the only pick you would trade back from is #1. Newsflash, most of the teams picking in the top 20 are not very good teams and probably need more than one very good player to make them a better team. Green Bay is surely one of those teams. There will not be a top 5 player falling to the Packers @ #15 and there are 10 edge players we can pick in the 2nd and 3rd rounds as good or better than Van Ness.

So why would we waste the #15 pick on one good player, when we could have 3 good players? The best plan for rebuilding the team and at a faster pace is trading back for more picks and getting 3 shots in the strongest part of the draft.

Quantity might not trump quality, but even if a team is drafting in the top 5 it is still a crapshoot. There is a long list of top 3 players chosen in the draft that didn't pan out in the NFL. The Packers have a list of their own. The odds are just better to find new Packers by having 3 picks over 1.

We don't have one hole, we have ten plus. I am sorry to disagree, but our needs start with TE since we don't have ANY at this point including even one to start on opening day. We at least have 4 or 5 Edge rushers now.