Rodgers will probably do well in New York. He still has the skills & once again the desire to do what's necessary to get the job done. The ill will between him & the front office may have taken the edge off in Green Bay. That also effects the rest of the locker room as well. There can't help but be some divisiveness when one player is sucking up all of the oxygen. The players who are following him to New york, or just jumping ship because he's gone are likely part of the problem regardless of the talent some of them might have. So a new attitude is badly needed team wide. We'll see how it goes & who emerges to cross the t's & dots the i's.

I love how you write!

I m not sure what you are actually trying to say, but I agree it was interesting to read,

Is there a combination of the two?

A cerebration?

Pomp and circumstance but with good food, amazing music, hot men too drunk to remember my name in the morning and a really cool program I frame on my wall. Oh and velvet clad trumpeters. I like the velvet clad trumpeters, those dudes can party!

Why would you want to give away #15?

btw, nothing against you PEO, just addressing this sentiment that pervades.

C’mon, my friends. Don’t give into the garbage flying around out there devaluing the Packers’ Aaron Rodgers.

That’s right. He’s still a Packer player.

Of course the Jets will put an insane lowball offer out publicly to get people - millions of people in this case, to buy into that paltry figure as somehow being acceptable, as a starting point.

Hell no. Why would we give Aaron Rodgers away, with the market firmly established as 2 R1s as a minimum?

Who exactly is characterizing this as for just one year? The Jets. They need to pull their heads out of their asses, and pony up fair market value.

Stafford came with a $43M cap hit for the Rams, PLUS another $20+M dead cap in giving DET Goff. A QB who led the Rams previously to a Super Bowl?

Packer fans shouldn’t be buying their BS lowball offerings as being anywhere close to legit. Neither should Jets fans.

It’s early, and that’s how negotiations start in anything. Jets come in low. Packers start high.

GB has a ton of leverage here.

Let’s add, Woody is waking up to the realities of his wanting “plug & play” players, the best he can get.

They come at a price.

I see AR & DB walking out the door to NYJ, and 2023’s #13, 2024’s R1 and 2025’s R1 coming to GB in return for both players.

How much is David Bakhtiari worth on the open market?

The Jets will have to cough up that #13, at a minimum, outright, for Rodgers alone.

PFF states AR is worth around what DEN paid for Russell Wilson in the open market in discussing trade with Jets.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-realistic-trade-value-landing-spots-quarter...

That is an optimistic projection. We will see...

Me....#13 this year with Elijah Moore, and conditional 1st or 2nd round picks in 2024, and 2025 based on performance for Rodgers, and Jets with Rodgers as QB.

Jets haven't even made the playoffs in a dozen or more years, and the only SB back in early 70's to mid 70's combined with the Jets oozing talent both on offense & defense. The only thing holding them back is no QB.

With the Jets talent my best guess Rodgers is still playing in 2025. In his own words retirement scares him.

While I just want Rodgers off the team, frankly anything less than I suggest will be a huge dissapointment. My hope is another team enters into the trade conversation creating holy hell confusion and angst forcing Jets to step up. Right now Jets have zero options for quality QB to lead such a talented team.

Just going to sit back and enjoy how this all plays out. Hang in there Gutey!

The greatest Packer player of all time for me is Bart Starr. Brett and Aaron, as great as they were did not surpass. Lombardi is the greatest Packer of all time.

Bravo Stockholder. Aaron Rodgers is an intelligent superstar. For the rest of you dimrods, imagine Rodgers playing for Lombardi. Or imagine Rodgers playing with a defense anchored by #66.

"When the FO says Don’t be a Problem for a new coach.
It’s the main statement that they did not want Rodgers
to be the greatest packer of all Time."

This narrative that you're pushing that there's some nefarious cabal comprised of Packers fans and the Packers' front office that seeks to limit Rodgers' impact to ensure he's unable to achieve the status of 'greatest Packer of all time' is wholly ridiculous and is so illogical that it borderlines on paranoid. You've posting this silliness multiple times in the last few days. Just stop.

Perhaps the most reasonable explanation for why Mark Murphy would have told Rodgers "don't be the problem" after firing Mike McCarthy is simply this: Aaron Rodgers was being a problem for several seasons, and when the situation hit critical mass and it became clear Rodgers and McCarthy could not function as a cohesive unit any longer, Murphy had to choose between backing a diva HoF QB that was undermining his coaches and actually being a problem, or a HC who was quickly losing control of his talented but divisive QB. Murphy picked the easy route and fired Mike McCarthy. Knowing that Rodgers was at least as culpable as MM in the mess, Murphy states to Rodgers "Don't be the problem", an obvious reminder to Rodgers that McCarthy was let go, you were kept.. but that does not mean you are absolved from all charges of poor behavior. A message from Murphy that he chose to keep Rodgers over MM, don't go pulling the same shit with the new coaching staff.

Guess what Rodgers did? He pulled the same shit with the new coaching staff. This was evidenced in 2019 by public confrontations between Rodgers and MLF on the field of play. Pressers where a testy Rodgers defied statements made by coaches about basic expectations of the QB in this offense. By the fact that plays on the field were MM playbook plays coming out of the huddle instead of MLF plays. Refused to work on his core mechanics which were lazily devolving. That's why it's no coincidence that in 2020 Gutekunst drafted Love. The Packers backed Rodgers by sending MM packing, and Rodgers repaid the organization by digging his heels in and effectively showing the Packers in 2019 that he's going be any kind of problem he chooses to be. Enough was enough.

Sorry, Don Hutson was the Packers GOAT. He was the Babe Ruth of the NFL there was such a gap between his records as a WR and the #2 WR behind him that equaled the gap between Ruth's 60 HR's and the #2 home run hitters 25-28. In addition Hutson was the teams best defensive back (almost as many picks as LeRoy Butler) and the teams place kicker.

Not even worth a thumbs down

The Choir shows their Fear and the Chorus now Laments the Hero as he gets the Flim-Flam. If The Ides of March revealed anything, it would be that Moros rules the sledding hill.

Crowning a player the “greatest Packer of all-time” must include a much wider set of criteria than a set of statistics. It must include how that player inspired greatness from his teammates. It must include the dedication, sacrifices, and selflessness he demonstrated throughout his time with the team. Greatness is a way of being, it’s a constant pursuit of better no matter how good you are, and in football, it’s about doing everything you can do to help every person on the team be better, and in doing so creates that brotherhood, a bond between a group of men that inspires them to fight for one another, the desire that drives them to dig deeper because they are not going to be the one that lets the team down. For example, Brett Favre flys to Oakland to play the Monday night after his father passed away. The team asked him what he was doing there. He told them that he knew they were counting on him and he didn’t want to let them down. Well, if you recall, Brett threw many ill advised passes that night, but his receivers were not going to let him have a bad night, they just wanted the ball more, and they went and got them, it was incredible! When the dust settled, Favre had his best statistical game of his career, thanks to his inspired teammates. AR has some incredible statistics and I can only imagine what they might be if he had the ability to drop the ego, be selfless, and inspire greatness in others. As I imagine what that might have been I’m left with one feeling. Disappointed. Period.

Love doesn't have Rodgers courage,
outstanding achievements, or noble qualities either.

The New Running Game was supposed to neutralize the weather variables, replicating the Glory Years Packers ground and pound precision. All that mano-a-mano stuff. Bhaktiari was out for two significant Playoff Games and Jenkins was also vacant in '21. They would constitute an ALL PRO left flank, missing. The Defense did not Stop the run in critical situations during the Playoff runs 2019-21. "3rd and 7"; Fournette blasting off right tackle, etc. Yeh, let's spend More high picks on a defense that crumbles in the face of pressure. The only people affected by the weather are the Fans in the stands.

I wholeheartedly agree with you egbertsouse! What if the Packers played in a dome? Would we still want to trade AR12? I think not because he would light up the scoreboard in a dome in January!

The frozen tundra is cold! And frozen! It's tough on everybody but especially for older players. The Packers need to continue to build a team with exactly that in mind! Finesse is fine in September but come December, I would love to see some smash mouth football played in Green Bay!

Couldn’t agree more. After that Super Bowl run I thought not only was he special gifted, I thought he was going to be Ice cold water in his veins CLUTCH! You know the rarest type that seems ALWAYS able to step up with the game on the line and make THE play! Not hardly.

I wrote on a preseason blog here that this last year was the balancing on the fence going to finalize his legacy. Was he going to end up in legendary status or fighting the debate into eternity that with the game on the line…he’s JAG.

The Detroit game cemented it.

NP, your comment about Rodgers should have run reminded me of John Elway in the Super Bowl game when he was well past his prime and ran for that touchdown and was hit hard at the goal line and spun around like the propeller on a helicopter. It would have been memorable if Aaron could have made that run for the goal line and won that game. He did a lot of impressive things during his years at Lambeau and I think he wished he would have made the run rather than the throw.

It is not Tennis ,or Golf. What did the rest of the Supporting cast do to Win the Big Games? Tramon and Nick Collins changed the course to the SB Win. They didn't choke and allow cheap TDs, Fumble the ball, Drop Ints and fail to get a yard on 3rd and goal 3x @ The Space needle.

I don’t think Rodgers does give us our best chance to win, not with with the combination of his contract, the youth on the roster and the cap constraints of continually paying it forward.

That era has past and had a year ago before the consummation of a contract extension that makes it infinitely more difficult if he remained any longer. That may well not be true for Rodgers and the Jets who have a roster fed by years of ineptitude. It’s as close as one is likely to get to Brady and Tampa.

Rodgers and the Packers has run its course for that reason alone makes no sense. The other factors like his increasingly Favrian internal debate about desire probably didn’t help, but such frustrations shouldn’t need to be the driver when the end of the road has been staring us in the face.

Murf 007,
I also will be pulling for the Jets. Frankly, even if they meet the Packers in the Super Bowl. Hard to say but I've grown disenchanted with Packers' management and Packers' coaching staff. (Stiffs)
The really hard thing to swallow is I'm now rooting for a team that had a quarterback who wore pantyhose. Do you thing Joe Willy still wears them?

Make it a first round pick, take out the player, and make the 2024 pick conditional depending on whether or not they make the playoffs/win a playoff game. If they don’t make the playoffs, then we get no 2024 pick. That seems like a fair trade to me.

Guam,
A better dictum
"Don't piss the puppet off."
Rocko Weineretto circa 1980s.

I agree it can be a conditional deal, but....GB should receive the Jets #1 pick this year and a player in exchange for Rodgers playing in 2023 for them .... I would also add a fourth round pick from 2025 that improves to a 3 if AR plays a second year, a 2 if they win a playoff game, and a 1 if they make the super bowl.

Hi Guam!
I posted a link above from PFF who claims Aaron Rodgers trade value is equal to what SEA received for Russell Wilson, or more.

There's no way Packer fans should be listening to the Jets initial low ball offers they danced out to the press, and somehow consider AR of ridiculously low value. It's normal deal making discourse to a T, and I know you know that. A lot of others are getting lost in it because that lowball has been blasted incessantly by every media outlet.

Don't believe that garbage, my brothers & sisters!!!

Matthew Stafford went to the Rams, giving DET two R1s, and the young QB1 Goff, who led the Rams to a Super Bowl, took on Stafford's $43M deal AND ate Goff's $20M+ cap hit.

Market value!!!

Come on people! Let's get together! C'mon Cmon, let's get together!!!

The last pass the two Packer MVPs/HOFer threw for the Packers was an INT. (Favre's last pass for the Jets and MN were also INTs).

There are just so many similarities between Favre and Rodgers careers. Kind of amazing really.

How did the O line look after Detroit's front four kicked their ass over the course of the game. Go back to Fantasy Football. How 'bout that Running Game? Amnesia is not an excuse.

"Sadly they missed the boat, no maybe the whole damn fleet when they didn't use the opportunity to get rich and trade Rodgers last year."

We anti-Hadl'd ourselves. Thanks, Murphy!

GolfPacker1,
So immensely in agreement with everything so well stated! Post more often!

what a douche.

"Five points I would like to mention. I could mention more but I'm trying to simplify for the woefully ignorant."

Well, aren't you generous.

I think the narratives of your 5 points exemplify what you decry.

And talk about being a shill...

But since the CHTV writers' and Cory's opinions aren't important, I guess this is your last post?

Imagine if GB won more SB with AR the renovations would have been a given. This "tail wagging the dog bs is sickening. Pack never paint the team in a corner like that again.

"Remember it was during Rodgers reign that the Packers were finally able to rebuild Lambaugh field and buy up and renovate downtown Green Bay. Clearly the packers owe Rodgers more than a celebration."

The Packers started the stadium renovations after 1996, well before Rodgers joined the team; Titletown is not in downtown Green Bay but is (mostly?) in Ashwaubenon.

And finally, your opinions, misguided as they are, might've gained more credence if you knew how to spell the name of the stadium that the Packers play in. Putz.

Try hard guy and a solid teammate. He did not come close to following up on his 2021 season...which was OK, not great.

DT is on the Packers board too with Reed and Lowry gone.

Seven sold seasons as a starter who posted every day from a fourth round draft pick worked well for the team and the player. Good luck to him going forward.

He will play better in Flores system. They will run four man fronts and Lowry will be a DE where he played at Northwestern.

The Packers surrounded Rodgers with enough talent to help him win 4 MVPs.

Yet not one of those MVP years resulted in another trip to the SB.

And following the last two MVPs, he lost in the playoffs...in Lambeau Field. And his last game in Lambeau was a real dud with a playoff ticket on the line.

There is ample evidence to support inability to win big games. Doesn't take anything away from his talent, which has been sublime.

But where Brady was unrivaled winning the big games, Rodgers has never matched up to him.

"Enough with this narrative please. The Packers failed again and again to put together a high caliber team around him."

You're going to have to point out why teams that got to NFCCG 4 times since the 2010 SB and won double-digit games regularly over that era are low caliber.

"The organization failed him and squandered his career."

12 had several opportunities over the years to play out his contract (or ask for a trade) and go elsewhere if he thought the grass would be greener. Yet he still put his name on the dotted line...so either he's complicit in squandering his career or felt confident in what was happening around him. So, in your own words, "Enough with this narrative please."

That's about it.