Cory's Corner: The Offense Is Regressing

Defenses are daring Jordan Love to make a quick decision.

I hate vanilla ice cream, but the Packers are just vanilla right now. Nothing special. Just a bowl of meh. 

The Raiders are not a good team and they still beat the Packers 17-13 in front of a pro gold and green crowd — in Las Vegas. 

The Packers had three drives in the first half that lasted five plays or less — and the result of each drive was a punt, interception and punt. And it happened twice in the second half which resulted in a field goal and a punt. 

The thing that doesn’t make any sense is this offense is regressing. I get that Aaron Jones — the cornerstone of this unit — wasn’t active, but Christian Watson played and AJ Dillon actually ran downhill and hit the hole hard. 

It kind of stems back to the game’s very first drive. On third-and-2 at the Green Bay 33, Dillon chugged ahead for three yards to keep the sticks moving. Two plays later on second-and-4, Dillon pounded ahead again and moved the chains. Then something happened three plays later on third-and-3. Love opted to air it out deep to Jayden Reed and it fell incomplete. I wouldn’t have minded that decision because I figured the Packers were going to go for it at the Las Vegas 47. However, the Packers then suffered a delay of game penalty and had to punt. 

The Packers had 11 days off. That cannot happen. The offense is ill prepared and looks completely shell shocked. It’s almost like the Monday night game in Vegas was a pop quiz that plenty of players weren’t ready for. 

I’ve been saying for most of the season that Love’s deep ball needs serious help. When was the last time he hit someone in stride 30 yards down field? The receiver has to stop, which makes a deep ball more like a jump ball or Hail Mary. 

The Packers have scored 26 points in the first half in five games this season. In the last three games, the Packers have been outscored 54-6. Only Romeo Doubs at Chicago and Jayden Reed at Atlanta have scored first half touchdowns this season. 

The thing that is perplexing to me is the lack of motion. Remember when Aaron Rodgers complained about presnap motion and how he didn’t want to run it? Well, No. 12 isn’t on the roster anymore. Run motion, spread defenses out and give the ball to Patrick Taylor — especially if Jones is out. Don’t run a stretch play for Dillon because that obviously is not his skill set. 

Now, the receivers didn’t exactly help Love either. There were plenty of drops and one of his three interceptions was tipped. But, no matter how you slice it, 16 of 30 for 182 yards, three picks and a passer rating of 32.2 is flat out bad. Especially against a Raiders defense that gave up 23 points to the Steelers in Week 3. 

Now, you can be frustrated at the defense because Joe Barry’s patented soft zone was back in all of its shameful glory as it basically gifted a 9-yard touchdown to Jakobi Meyers. But in the NFL, that stresses offense, if you hold a team to 17 points, that’s a game that you need to win. 

What is also distressing is that Love is getting the deer in the headlights look. Early on he was willing to hang in the pocket and now he is getting happy feet. He is also throwing sidearm for no apparent reason, which often puts a wrench in his accuracy. 

The Packers just need to make it simple. Run plays off of play-action. Trust the running game, then run some bootlegs and get Luke Musgrave and Tucker Kraft involved. When the defense takes away the underneath stuff, that’s when you go for the home run ball to Watson or Doubs. And if they overplay that, Love can tuck and run and pick up 10-20 yards. 

The season is not over and I don’t think Love is terrible. LaFleur cannot put everything on Love’s plate and say, “Go win the game kid. We’re counting on you.” That’s not fair. Love doesn’t have the arm strength to just fling it like Brett Favre or Rodgers did and get away with it. In order to make that throw, his footwork has to be right and he needs to step into the throw. I would love to see more back shoulder throws or let the receivers run quick crossing routes. I would also like the Packers to get away from gadget plays but put both tight ends on the field more, if not for receiving then for blocking help. 

This was the worst loss of the season. We will see how they respond after the bye week. 
 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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jvole's picture

October 10, 2023 at 11:24 am

Agreed all around. The only thing I was happy about on offense was Dillon showing some life. The rest was hard to watch. It's clear Wallace is going to have a hard time with quick-footed edge players.

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dblbogey's picture

October 10, 2023 at 01:38 pm

Wallace was also the lowest rated run blocker. Nijman has shown in the past his best position is LT, and he's played some good games there. Maybe it's time for a change? OT is definitely high on the next draft, as is center. This team needs a top 5 caliber OL to succeed with Love at QB.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:03 pm

Too little, too late.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:50 pm

But illustrative of the idiocy that had been perpetrated in our IL since the switcheroo. LaFleur is incompetent.

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PackyCheese500's picture

October 10, 2023 at 08:08 pm

Nijman was the #1 OT last year in ESPN's run block win rate, and was in the top-10 of pass block win rate when he wasn't playing with one arm. His best position is LT, and I actually believe he can be the LT of the future. He has shown it in the past.

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jvole's picture

October 11, 2023 at 05:41 am

Meant Walker....yeesh, even trying to forget player's names.

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stockholder's picture

October 10, 2023 at 11:29 am

Just stop making excuses.
This is not what Tom Clements coached.
If Love can't take a hit. Find someone who can.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:23 pm

There is no reason for the sloppy footwork and release points after four years in the system. The second pick, Watson needed to run the square in cleanly, not stutter-step the DB. The ball to the endzone needed air and the guy's a hero. Footwork and get him into cleaner looks. Run WCO with three WRs on the crosses. They destroy zones. Ford playing prevent on goal line defense. Nice job with the depth chart, Gutedkunst, Not.

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stockholder's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:22 pm

Release Hollins then resign him?
Then release Taylor?
Like I stated. Confusion has come to GB.

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:40 pm

Gute's churning the bottom of the roster with a slotted spoon in a ripple in the time-space continuum.

Shame with Taylor. I thought he made a great tackle after an interception.

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SwedeBayPacker's picture

October 10, 2023 at 11:31 am

MLF sure isn't doing his young QB any favors, that's for true. It's almost as if he's still game planning for Rodgers.

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crayzpackfan's picture

October 10, 2023 at 11:50 am

Swede - "It's almost as if he's still game planning for Rodgers." Exactly

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fireball's picture

October 10, 2023 at 01:07 pm

I have the same thought: LaFeur is still calling plays as if he had Aaron Rodgers as quarterback. It's like LaFeur has no idea what to do with Love. It's weird.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:51 pm

“It's like LaFeur has no idea what to do.” Yes.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 10, 2023 at 11:43 am

"I hate vanilla ice cream, but the Packers are just vanilla right now. Nothing special. Just a bowl of meh. "

Right now they are a bowl of vanilla. BUT, they have a lot of toppings ready to put into the bowl. They are ready to be put in and turn that vanilla into something really good.
The problem right now is that they don't know which toppings should go in with each other and are creating a mess.

Lets look at what they have. They have a lot of youth. A lot of guys playing for the first time. Walker and Tom on the OL are first time starters. Reed, Wicks and Musgrave are playing for the first time. Watson played really for the first time this year last night. Doubs has the most experience on the roster. Ohh and this is Loves first year as a starter. They have had to deal with adversity as well. They basically haven't had Jones since week 1. Watson just came back. They lost Bakhtiari and Jenkins for a while. There have been a lot of issues they have had to deal with.

They need to take this bye and regroup. First thing they need to get Jones back and get him involved in the offense. They need to make him the focal point of the offense. But they need to build it off of him as well. They need to have a plan when he isn't on the field and be able to move the ball without him there.

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Packerpasty's picture

October 10, 2023 at 11:48 am

too many excuses...especially the "youth" thing...getting tired of it....also Love is a 4th year guy, has ran scout teams, started pre season games, etc...he isn't wet behind the ears...he is what he is and always will be...reminds me of all the hype of Hundley...

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 10, 2023 at 11:58 am

Huge difference going against starters, and pro bowlers, and HOFers, to running scout team. if it wasn't a huge difference more QB's would be great in this league.

Its not about excuses. its the reality we are in. This is the youngest team in the league and we have been missing top talent in almost every game. The young players are learning how to play on the field. It takes time. Not all players are great immediately. It takes time.

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Packers1985's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:12 pm

But but many said that Love would've taken pretty much the same team some extra wr's to Playoffs if he had started middle in the last yr. Atleast that is what i read some of the regular members posted here.
These kind of hype and expectations is not good to have when we have a young QB.

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RCPackerFan's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:20 pm

I never said that. But I know what you are referring to.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:55 pm

I don’t recall any saying putting Love in was a ticket to the playoffs (maybe one eternal optimist perhaps). I remember a lot saying 4 or 5 games would help him develop. We’d have got some of this out of the way for sure, and with a better functioning OL. He’d have double the starts and the learning from the amount he has now in the off season. That’s probably worth something too, as well as the time with players like Watson.

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Packerpasty's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:20 pm

but there's still MLF at the helm...

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Malland56's picture

October 10, 2023 at 01:12 pm

The facts: Some out there act s if Love is a rookie. He's not! He was suppose to learn from one of the greatest but his natural talent is not showing right now and really didn't show last year in preseason either. Missing wide open WR down field under no pressure. Same this year, and now during a real games.

Fact: Love was 3-11 and 3int's (must say one of them not his fault) of 5+ yards or more. Five yards! Or more. He now is 6-26 throwing 20+ yards for the season. He can't throw the long ball. That was his problem the last year he played in college.

Fact: Play calling is getting pretty bad from MLF. I mean really bad! Haven't been able to make one screen play work this year at all. That sucks.

As for young team, the D has been around a while. Paid a lot for it and they are playing pretty good but the O line is solid except for one big problem. LT. Walker isn't the guy that should be playing there. He's been getting his butt handed to him. Nijmen and Newman looked better on left side when Batman and Jenkins were gone last week.

Look what is happening in Texas. Rookie QB with no offensive line and so so receivers has been brilliant! And we have a QB that was being groomed by a HOFmer for 3 years and is just a average QB right now.

If we lose to Denver because of so so QB play I think it is time to try Clifford. He had a great preseason.

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 10, 2023 at 07:49 pm

"Fact: Play calling is getting pretty bad from MLF. I mean really bad! Haven't been able to make one screen play work this year at all. That sucks."

This kind of data-driven, objective content (along with Cap analysis, and analytics from TGR) keeps me as a Premium Extra Emerald Plus Member here at CHTV. The extra $150 annually is worth it!

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 10, 2023 at 08:21 pm

well, at least you got invited to participate. maybe they haven't forgiven me for not turning off my pop-up blocker.

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PackyCheese500's picture

October 10, 2023 at 08:10 pm

The Packers have a fair number of pro-bowl caliber players on this team or players with pro bowl potential. The coaching staff is the problem; it cannot maximize the talents of our players.

If this was Dan Campbell or Mike Vrabel's team, I could see us being 4-1, or even 5-0. Matt LaFleur sure knows how to make his team worse!

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Rennatkcir's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:01 pm

Reminds me of "If Rodgers had gone to OTA's".

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:09 pm

You're tired of the "youth" thing. How did you think this season would look with all these rookies and young players? Did you expect it too look good? Cuz that just wasn't realistic. I was hoping for something like 8-9 and some growth, but I may have overestimated things.

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jlc1's picture

October 10, 2023 at 01:03 pm

More Jones has been the cry for years now and more often than not MLF is saying in his comments they didn't get him enough touches. So don't expect Jones to get much more involved if the past is any guide.

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:13 pm

Cannot play if you're not on the active roster with another injury...

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CanPackFan's picture

October 10, 2023 at 01:38 pm

Supposedly, our HC - the offensive guru - should be helping his young QB - not providing him with awful play calling. Reminds me of Love's only start in the past against KC where LaGoof gave Love zero support against the blitz!

The Pack has 11 days to prepare. But, as usual, LaGoof was unprepared in the first half. Now we have a Bye week. Does anyone have any faith that LaGoof will be any more prepared? I don't. And even if we get Jones back, he'll be on the LaGoof pitch count...

Sorry I can't be more optimistic. It's simply that LaFleur is all talk, no action, and zero in strong action. Sigh

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Packers0808's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:19 pm

Maybe time to see IF Sean Clifford can throw the ball down field with accuracy. Love can't hit a bull in the ass with a scoop shovel!

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Cheesey51's picture

October 10, 2023 at 01:51 pm

Since Love plays better in the 2nd half then have Sean Clifford play the 1st half

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Packers0808's picture

October 10, 2023 at 02:48 pm

Sounds like a plan.

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13TimeChamps's picture

October 10, 2023 at 03:08 pm

No. No it doesn't.

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2023 at 04:38 pm

It sounds like one only Baldrick would deem cunning.

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lpirlot's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:22 pm

Aaron says defenses now know enough about Love to take away what he does best.

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T7Steve's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:57 pm

We all knew and talked about this and figured it would be his biggest hurdle this season (besides coaching) after teams got some scouting footage. We have to give him a chance. See if he can adjust his game to what they're giving him at the moment. It's another learning curve the coaches have to help him with (if they recognize it).

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Coldworld's picture

October 10, 2023 at 04:32 pm

That’s what his play caller is supposed to manage with him. It is tough with no run game. Even with what we had from Dillon, take him out and they barely tried running Taylor. One stuffed at the hand off and one 5 yard run all night.

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 10, 2023 at 02:01 pm

What exactly is that, that he does best?

Please don't say he throws a pretty spiral. Ugly spirals are accurate and are completions.

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 10, 2023 at 02:36 pm

That is a great question. The same-ish question was posed by CW re: Coach LaFleur. The post went pretty much unnoticed. What does Matt LaFleur do best as a HC?

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 10, 2023 at 08:15 pm

personal grooming?

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Since'61's picture

October 11, 2023 at 11:38 am

He's pretty good at flapping his arms. Thanks, Since '61

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T7Steve's picture

October 10, 2023 at 02:43 pm

WE don't know what he does best yet, but he and the coaches should (should?).

If any NFL QB gets reliable blocking (which also allows for a reliable running game), he can cut NFL Ds apart. That's how they've set up the rules.

Love is not the sole reason for what's happening to this team right now. As you saw last year ever Rodgers was very pedestrian with unreliable blocking and running games. Even when he wasn't playing hurt.

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 10, 2023 at 04:19 pm

In year 4, the coaches should have at least a more basic understanding of what he does best and adjust the plays and OL scheme to make it work. Does Love do nothing of a high caliber that the coaches don't know what to have the OL do to make him better. Why is every OL assembly seem to fail to help him? Are the OL that incapable or does Loves' lack of specific ability encumbers them?
Love may not be the only reason, but it certainly revolves around him more than many will accept. Perhaps the others just aren't good enough to make Love look good. Which means, this team is 'at best' the mediocrity we see against other mediocre/bad teams.

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:52 pm

"The Offense is regressing."
My question is this.
It's regressing from what?

The over-hyped expectations?
The comparison of Love and Rodgers?

This team is proving my realistic thoughts of them, not any pundit or blind-optimistic fan, when I said 6 wins is the likely total. If Denver didn't have KC before and after the Packers, I'd be hard-pressed to pick GB to win that game. Depending on how Denver looks against KC next week, I could see myself going with Denver, as I did with the Raiders.

The last pass to Watson was a hope for some laundry that didn't come to save them. Letting the Ref decide the game isn't a winning formula, for long term success. There is little faith that either MLF or Love can plan or play to win without the help of 'yellow', even to offset the yellow that was/is earned against themselves.

The Raiders are not a good team, but the HC/QB matchup still gave them the edge, and it proved to be correct. It might not work against a couple of others, but it's a defining point when it comes to the Packers, against any team, as proven this season, so far. I'll say it again, if it wasn't for playing the Bears and a missed FG vs NO, this team is 0-5, and the record disputes it, but we all know it to be true in the reality of our heads.

A good improvement in play game against KC could have Payton and Wilson as another likely matchup that MLF and Love can't win.

I feel the pain of a bad team as a fan, but blind hope is the first step to failure, and many fans like this team are still supporting blind hope. The level of this after two weeks will be epic in proportion to the reality that should be embraced, by fans, and especially the Packer staff and players. Embracing reality can be hard, but doing so, will do more to save you than what you fantasize.

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Cheesey51's picture

October 10, 2023 at 01:56 pm

Nagler told us all summer to get ready for this
There is a lotta ballgame left
I’m good with rookies and simple game plans( crawl before you walk )
But this… this is not Carry The G
And when is someone going to counter and stand up to losing players like Luke and walker. They have to be on a short lease for not retaliating

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 10, 2023 at 02:31 pm

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Packers0808's picture

October 10, 2023 at 02:52 pm

Curious IF the near future this group turns it around and starts winning what the egg on your face will look like, though we will never see it.

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 10, 2023 at 03:33 pm

In my reality world, getting egged sometimes means that something changed, and that happens. In your world of optimism, egg on the face is a near always thing because optimism doesn't always become reality, it simply fades away and reforms into another fantasy used to deny reality.

If this team wins 10+ games, as many here believe, I'll be here looking forward to the eggs in my face. If they only win 6 or less, as I'm on record here, will you, and speak on it. Let's call the 7-9 wins a stalemate.

No excuses, how or why either happens.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:15 pm

Well it would be great; but it's a little hard to be hopeful of a turnaround. All off season people were so thrilled to toss Rodgers aside and be excited finally see LaFleur's offense. Well how do all those folks feel now? Maybe Rodgers always was a better play caller than LaFleur and the 3 seasons in a row of 13 wins covered up LaFleur's weaknesses.

We've got not much to cheer for right now. The coaches seem lost, the players seem lost, and they don't seem to be moving forward. With McCarthy, after an awful performance, I saw him turn things around multiple times. Have't seen that with LaFleur yet.

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Packerpasty's picture

October 11, 2023 at 06:38 pm

where's all those "we'll win the division" "playoffs" all those cheerleaders where'd they go?? There were a whole lot of them in July....it is allowable to be a life long Packer fan and also be realistic about what one see's...

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jlc1's picture

October 10, 2023 at 12:59 pm

Motion? That end around, or whatever it is called now, in the first half was an absolute disaster by the OL. I am unsure if any of them made any contact with any Raider. Teams are not challenging Love alone. They are challenging this team to execute, offense, defense and ST. This team is not executing with any consistency. The youth may explain some of it but there are veterans out there that are not executing.

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T7Steve's picture

October 10, 2023 at 01:36 pm

Those jet sweeps, swings and screens show nothing but blockers whiffing and out of position. If they are there and make a block, someone else gets a penalty (in previous games, as none were successful against the Raiders).

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jannes bjornson's picture

October 10, 2023 at 02:24 pm

He hit Deguara on a beautiful wheel route, then LaFleur stopped attacking the outside, letting Love view a seven deep zone with a one WR look in the patterns. Lack of preparation and intensity.

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Curt's picture

October 10, 2023 at 02:01 pm

Enjoying all the "smart" play discussion on Peters' horse collar tackle that may well have been the game winner.

NFL deems the play to be dangerous and has made it illegal - does that mean intentional egregious illegal actions are now acceptable if you win the game and nobody gets hurt.

Or will NFL fine Peters more than one game salary along with the condoning coaches?

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jlc1's picture

October 10, 2023 at 02:10 pm

Last year, and even before, commenters here called the downfield shots "hero ball". Looks like it might not have been Rodgers freelancing after all but all part of the plan. Rodgers at least had, up until last year, a record of actually being able to hit enough of those shots to make defenses worry about them. Love so far does not.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:17 pm

Yep, all the blamers hating on Rodgers for throwing long on 3rd and short. Well, maybe this IS LaFleur's offense. At least Rodgers had the accuracy (until the broken finger) to hit them. It was exciting football. Haven't seem much of anything that excites me about this team so far.

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barutanseijin's picture

October 11, 2023 at 02:55 pm

Keep an older, expensive & injury prone QB with deep ball accuracy issues around? How did that work out for the Jets? Why would that have that worked out any better for the Packers?

Even mid-career Rodgers only hit about 1/3 of his long shots until 2020. Whatever he had that year was gone by the beginning of 2022 (i.e., pre Thumb). But of course everything is à completion when seen through the rosy mists of nostalgia.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

October 10, 2023 at 02:25 pm

I may be having a senior moment, but is it 2022 or 2023. From last nights game and this years Packers team, I would swear we are back in 2022. I guess the main difference is that our OL is still horrible and we can't rely on Bahk or any other vet to save us, just some THINKING and DOING on the part of our OL coach and maybe his boss, the seemingly irrelevant Stenovich, or his boss, the overmatched Matt Matt LaPoodle.

Given we are on a 22 game run of clueless play/coaching one wonders if the cycle of mistake, misplan, get out strategized, and look dazed and confused will ever end. Since Murphy is likely spending 99% of his time planning for the 2025 draft one wonders if anyone will put us out of this misery and plan to replace MLF and the entire coaching staff at the end of 2023. Hoping that this coaching staff finally figures things out is by far the longer odds.

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 10, 2023 at 02:40 pm

The best part about The Corner is you can walk through, look around, realize the room is completely round and leave. All you have to lose is your time.

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HarryHodag's picture

October 10, 2023 at 02:42 pm

The focus of the article, and seemingly fans in general, is the quarterback, running backs, and receivers. The real problem with the offense is elsewhere: the offensive line. With the exception of Jenkins, this line just plain sucks. Walker is bad at tackle. This poses a question: what the hell is going on with Nijman? This is a guy that has proven he can play left tackle. Walker was being eaten alive by Crosby yet they stuck with a guy who should be benched. Myers and Runyan are mediocre at best. Zach Tom also showed little against Crosby. He looks like a guard playing tackle.
Never forget that all of the 'heroes' can't do much without good offensive line play. THAT is the core of the problem. Compare the Packers line to the 49'ers line and you see quickly the core of the problem. If you move the defense you move the ball. While obvious, it apparently isn't so obvious to some.

At this point I don't know what can be done this year. I don't think they can do much next year as the cap likely will be tighter than this year.

I knew this was going to be a bad year when all they could do was trot out Royce Newman for yet another disaster of a showing.
And one more point:

Joe Barry: why?

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WinUSA's picture

October 10, 2023 at 04:26 pm

Newman looked like a blind man searching for his dropped cane out there.

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CanPackFan's picture

October 11, 2023 at 06:10 pm

Yup, Harry. I don't understand the whole Walker over Yosh thing either. I am beginning to think Steno is not so great player at evaluation along with his boss. Maybe Walket brown-noses better? Who knows? But why this team can't put its 5 best linemen on the field mystifies us all!

And Barry? There must be some legendary brown nosing going on there lol!

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saltandpeppers's picture

October 10, 2023 at 02:56 pm

PROGRESS IS NOT LINEAR. You put stuff on tape, your opponents respond, then you have to adjust, and so on and so forth. This is a process guys. There will be two steps forward and one step back. There will be a step forward and three steps back. Then there will be a bunch of little steps forward. That's how this works.

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TarynsEyes's picture

October 10, 2023 at 04:38 pm

Let's get that Patrick Swayze dance movie to teach them the Maringá, and other steps.

I'm teaching myself Italian, not for any significant reason, unlike the players with football, and after 1 month I can have a good basic understanding of what I hear or read in Italian. Where would I be after 3 years if I spent the same amount of time and effort as Love supposedly has done. It's been mentioned that he still has footwork issues? Give me a break. Can the coaches not coach, or can he simply not learn? Footwork should not be an issue.

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Packerpasty's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:23 pm

still footwork and accuracy issues after 3 years in the NFL being supposedly coached up...I think he is what he is at this point...dink and dunk, try to hit the WR's in stride and hope for a flag on the long ball...

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 10, 2023 at 08:03 pm

merengue - c'mon.

also, your one month of italian is clearly a metaphor for your football understanding, you know what i mean sciocco?

solo perché stai leggendo l'italiano per idioti non significa che non sei un idiota

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barutanseijin's picture

October 11, 2023 at 03:31 pm

Sure, learning a language is exactly like honing football skills. Very convincing argument by analogy.

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 10, 2023 at 04:41 pm

So, are you arguing that the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?

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cheesehead1's picture

October 10, 2023 at 03:44 pm

Love and Lafleur looked lost to say the least. IMO, 10 right now is mediocre at best. Long ways to go to see “if” we think he can be our QB going forward. If not then back to the draft. Certainly not all Loves fault but his accuracy issues continue as they have since college from what I’ve read.

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CanPackFan's picture

October 11, 2023 at 06:12 pm

Until Love gets some sane play calling and QB education, it's too soon to throw in the towel after 5 games.

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ko40489's picture

October 10, 2023 at 03:56 pm

This is EXACTLY what I predicted before the season started--and got a bunch if thumbs down as a result. Jordan Love doesn't have the football savvy to be a top notch QB. He throws almost as many INT's as TD's because he makes bad decisions. Just as he did at Utah State! The fact that he's not gotten better than that by now is a huge red flag. If anything, he's gotten worse. He also hasn't shown the ability to consistently make the deep throw. MLF's play calling isn't helping matter. They both act like deer in the headlights. The whole organization seems clueless for that matter. Wake up guys, beating the Bears doesn't make the season a success.

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LeotisHarris's picture

October 10, 2023 at 04:40 pm

You'll just need to be content with the self-satisfaction that comes with being a seer. Remember, Nostradamus wasn't appreciated until centuries after his death. Go to sleep tonight knowing that history will be kind to you, and your legend will live on long after you are gone.

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Bitternotsour's picture

October 10, 2023 at 08:12 pm

the unappreciated genius of the football seer.

to be fair, they also were dead on certain that Tesla was a buy in 2014. nobody listened.

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Packers1985's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:10 pm

I still feel it's a tad early to judge his performance with just 6 starts. I would worry if the same trend continues against the much inferior defenses which this team is expected to beat after the bye week.

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Packerpasty's picture

October 10, 2023 at 06:16 pm

this from another writer but I agree fully with it ..."99.9% of the time when guys have accuracy problems, they don’t dramatically improve. Love has been throwing footballs for 15+ years. This is who he was in college, and it is who he still is today.
We should not be treating Jordan Love like a rookie. Unlike a rookie, Love is not learning a new offense. This is his fourth season in the NFL. He has received NFL coaching for three seasons, and all under the same head coach. The offense, at this point, should be as familiar as the back of his hand.
A QB that struggled mightily with accuracy and turnovers in a poor college conference might not be able to overcome those issues to a degree that will make him a viable NFL QB.
you win in the NFL. That's the sole focus, not teaching or experimenting or repetitions. Seasons aren't for "development". Maybe that's the case in amateur ball, but professional seasons are played for money and there are too many contractual and financial considerations pressuring teams to win.
and as far as comparing Love's first year to Rodgers...""Seriously no comparison. Rodgers immediately came in attacking defenses deep and displaying superior arm talent to most of the league. Comparing Jordan's dinking and dunking is laughable. Jordan might, maybe get there but come on...""

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Packerpasty's picture

October 11, 2023 at 06:36 pm

after all the football he's played, counting three years supposedly learning from NFL coaches and Mr Rodgers, this kid has shown zero growth as far as seeing the field and throwing accurately...he'll stay in the league for awhile much like Hundley but dont expect him to suddenly turn into some accurate all pro...

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WinUSA's picture

October 10, 2023 at 04:19 pm

The vultures are circling on Loves tenure as the starting qb. I know.. the Packer faithful will jump on this observation like a junkyard dog jumps on a meaty bone.

they will say that he is young, learning the game and that even the great Aaron Rodgers threw many interceptions in his first year.

They will say his young receivers can’t get iff the line of scrimmage and that their are too many drops.

But the fact if the matter is that Love does NOT have the arm of Favre or Rodgers.

He has not shown the ability to to hit on the LONG pass. How many under thrown and off targets has he thrown when attempting a shot of more than 40 yards?

Defenses smell this like sharks in chummed water and sit in the middle of the field and lick their chops.

I have watched the Pack since 1958 with my grandfather… through the glory years of the sixties and also thru the mediocrity of the 80s and 90’s.

There will be those that will say the injury bug has snake bit us for the first five games… and they will be right. But that will not explain the above facts.

I love the Pack and always will. Love has had 3 years of tutelage under Rodgers and MlF.

You can’t teach accuracy and arm strength.

Now for those who really will hate
This comment. We do have a qb on this team who should get a chance to play. A proven winner -brought Penn State 24 points down in the big 10 title game to win against Wisconsin, won the Rose Bowl MVP last year… a proven gamer.

I will wait and watch to see how long this organization will go before they realize they made a mistake in 2020.

I truly hooe that I an wrong.

GO PACK!

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WinUSA's picture

October 10, 2023 at 04:29 pm

Ps. Wish that I could edit my spelling and typos. Sorry about that.

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PackyCheese500's picture

October 10, 2023 at 08:19 pm

If Love continues to play like he did on Monday, I wouldn't be opposed to having Big Cliff come in toward the end of the season to see what he can do...

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jlc1's picture

October 10, 2023 at 04:38 pm

One reason Love is not getting fan love right now is a 3 interception night. Favre threw 3 or more 14 times as a Packer. Rodgers' otherworldly accuracy may have caused us to forget how many interceptions a QB, a HOF QB, can throw. But.....Love has not done anything to make you think HOF of course.

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Ima Payne's picture

October 10, 2023 at 09:58 pm

Decided to check Loves stats. He played three seasons at div1a. His best sea. Pass % 61.2% . Avg. Pass 8.4 yds. 25 interceptions in three 12 game seasons, 17 in his last season
Even though he was a 1 pick, his numbers say 4th rounder.
Love was comfy throwing short passes. He lacked accuracy and tossed a lot of picks either not reading the d or bad throws?
His numbers suggest back up role not starter.
His first five games look exactly like his college stats. Ouch

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WinUSA's picture

October 10, 2023 at 11:25 pm

Exactly!

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Packerpasty's picture

October 11, 2023 at 06:30 pm

and that was done in a pretty crappy conference in college....

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Mothra's picture

October 11, 2023 at 11:21 am

I agree with most of what was written by the article author and other commenters.
However, I don't agree lack of arm strength is one of Love's issues.

Based on pre draft scouting reports and my own observations, Love's physical traits (arm strength, athleticism, etc) are as good or better than any quarterback in his draft class.

His issues, which were also listed in pre draft scouting, are deep ball accuracy and decision making.

Underthrows are not necessarily an arm strength issue, as they can also be a lack of accuracy.

In the preseason, and in the first two regular season games, he was overthrowing receivers.
I believe he is trying to take juice off his deep balls, and is now under throwing.
He simply can't control his deep ball accuracy.
That, combined with poor decision making that I think is a result of subpar pre snap and post snap mental processing, is limiting his overall effectiveness, to put it mildly.

The fact he doesn't seem to have improved in any of these areas since his college days is alarming, and suggests he probably never will.

In fairness, he should be allowed this season to prove his detractors wrong, but if that doesn't happen, admitting failure and securing the services of another quarterback should be the front office's top priority in the upcoming offseason.

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Ima Payne's picture

October 11, 2023 at 12:23 pm

They said today on Cowherd, Loves's pass percentage is the lowest of all qb's through five games at 57.3%. II posted yesterday that his highest percentage in college was 61.2%, So he isnt off that by much.
Love is basically the same guy we drafted three years ago.
His stats say he passed for a lot of short under 10 yard passes, he threw a lot of interceptions and had accuracy issues. That is who he was in college and I see that is who he is now.
I do not blame him for that one bit.
In track, either your fast or you aint and all the practice and conditioning wont make you fast. A little faster yes but fast, no.
Accept that what you see now is who he is and he's not going to get any better so live with it until they replace him.

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Packerpasty's picture

October 11, 2023 at 06:29 pm

now we are getting to the truth...he isn't going to "grow" anymore or get more accurate...he's mr. dink and dunk so get the game plan around that and quit hoping for PI calls on way off target deep balls...

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PackFanatic99's picture

October 11, 2023 at 12:40 pm

Good article.
One correction: The tipped pass INT was not the receiver's fault. 0%. That ball should not have been thrown. I will say a lot of the problem (not sure how much) the WRs are not open. WHen they did show a full field view on TV you could usually see that no one was open. So Love's passes are often thrown into tight quarters which leads to a lower completion %. Whereas (as many have pointed out), other teams seem to have plays where WRs are open by 3 yards and its an easy pass. Not sure if this is talent or playcalling but I'm guessing it mostly about having 1 and 2 year WRs / TEs who don't know how to consistently get open. But MLF has to change his playcalling to MAKE (scheme) someone to get open. And Love has to improve his downfield accuracy so DBs will respect it which will open up medium routes. I have to say in the Raiders game, the OLine was decent and running game was decent and the offense as a whole was still horrible. So running game = C+, Passing game is a solid F.

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