Cory's Corner: So Now What?

The Aaron Rodgers trade could set the Packers up for the forseeable future. 

It finally happened. The Aaron Rodgers trade has turned out to be the most overcooked sports story in potentially ever. 

Now what?

The Packers should be happy that they got the Jets’ No. 13 pick this year. Now general manager Brian Gutekunst is in a really good place to be on the offensive and surround Jordan Love with weapons. 

Which is ironic, because that’s exactly what Rodgers desperately wanted. But alas, it’s time to move on in Green Bay. And this may sound weird, but even if Rodgers ended up a Packer in 2023, his Green Bay numbers would not compare to the Jets numbers this year. And the reasoning is simple: Rodgers plays best with a chip on his shoulder. He’s been doing it his entire career and now the No. 1 media market is going to question, doubt and judge him before he even takes a regular season snap. 

But I digress. This move opens up the possibility for the Packers to take Ohio State’s Jaxon Smith-Njigba — the best wideout in the draft. But he isn’t just the best. He’s an excellent route runner, he has crazy glue on his hands and he operates really well in traffic. What’s even more impressive is that Smith-Njigba is even being mentioned as a high first round pick after only playing 60 snaps last year, thanks to multiple hamstring injuries. 

OK, so the Packers would land a wideout with elite potential. 

Now what?

Well, this is a deep tight end class and the Packers would be poised to take Georgia’s 6-foot-7, 270-pound tight end at No. 42. Darnell Washington is a mountain of a man that can also leapfrog defenders, with the catching and blocking ability to boot. 

This would be a home run through the first two picks for Gutekunst. Getting the top wide receiver in the draft and the No. 3 tight end would go a long way to helping an offense that needs more playmakers in the wake of losing the first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback. 

The best thing about those potential first two picks is that it opens up the possibility of an edge rusher at No. 45. Georgia Tech’s Keion White would be a perfect guy for the Packers. He is the model of versatility having played linebacker, defensive end and defensive tackle. And to top it all off, he started his collegiate career at tight end. 

The Packers have a real shot to hit the reset button on this team with some playmakers with elite potential. Many are hoping that Gutekunst won’t screw this thing up, but I don’t think he will. 

Trading Rodgers may not seem like a solid move, but that trade has the chance to set the Packers up for the future. 
 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 06:24 am

“So what’s next?”
1. Take Paris Johnson Jr., Broderick Jones or Lucas Van Ness at #13.

2. Trade Runyan, Myers, Newman & Hanson for more picks.

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NickPerry's picture

April 25, 2023 at 06:33 am

Trade Newman and Hanson? I'm ALL ears!

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Johnblood27's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:28 am

Sounds GREAT!!!

oops, gotta find someone to take 'em...

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dobber's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:00 am

Anyone who wants Newman or Hanson will just wait for the Packers to cut them.

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13TimeChamps's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:09 am

Exactly. Getting draft picks for those 2 is a pipe dream. Newman maybe, and that's a big maybe, a 7th because he seems to have at least some potential. Hanson? Seriously?

As far as Meyers and Runyan, there is no way GB is letting two starters go and screw up our Oline in Love's first year.

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Since'61's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:10 am

Dobber takes the easy win on that one and a cookie as well. Thanks, Since '61

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:03 am

Both players are better than anything the Jets have rn. Sorry. I disagree. Plus, they know the system inside & out. Watch. It will happen.

Have none of you researched the Jets OL? Take a good look…

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EnemyTerritory's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:26 am

All those picks would likely go to replace the traded players and if they are truly as bad as suggested will bring low picks yielding…lesser talented players?

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13TimeChamps's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:35 am

Thank you

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T7Steve's picture

April 25, 2023 at 02:50 pm

Do you realize Runyan has only one penalty in two seasons?

What draft pick is that worth?

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GregC's picture

April 25, 2023 at 06:25 am

I've really had it with the "irony" of the Packers picking offensive skill players now that Rodgers has gone--which they haven't even done yet anyway. The WR and TE groups have never been anywhere close to being this undermanned since long before Rodgers became QB. Still, I'm leery of spending the #13 pick on a slot receiver who is coming off a series of hamstring injuries. I'd rather get an OLB, OT, or trade back and get a TE with that first pick. Besides, Christian Watson and Romeo Doubs are not chopped liver. We need another receiver or two, but not necessarily a superstar.

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 06:32 am

Agree, Greg!

These are important picks. Reset your team’s Championship quest by adding the dynamic big fellas God only made so many of.
— RIP Ted Thompson

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packerbackerjim's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:30 am

Hamstring injuries scare the hell out of me. Caveat emptor.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:49 am

I love Watson and Doubs. But if they can add a superstar WR I absolutely do it. That being said i have no clue if JSN will be one. And I also agree about the hamstring issue.

In the moment I'd feel more comfortable if they could trade down gain an extra 2nd/3rd round pick and take a WR with one of our 2nd round picks.
But if JSN is a Packer, I will be excited!

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:11 am

JSN was damaged goods last season. That dang hamstring kept him sidelined. Those things linger and even small tweaks shut down a player because a tear can be a death knell to a career.

I do not see JSN worthy of a #13 selection.

I am still a trade down advocate, unless better value than JSN falls...Edge, OL, DL.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:24 am

I'm absolutely a trade down advocate!

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Cubbygold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:02 am

A concern I've not seen expressed is that JSN was supposedly healthy by November of last year. He should have been on the field for the OSU/Michigan game, and certainly in the college football playoff. Instead he chose to get ready for the draft. Maybe that says something about his health/durability... maybe it doesn't.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:46 am

Cubby, one of my closest friends is an OSU superfan and he despises JSN for this very reason. Hes also skinny and would be shaking like a leaf on a tree in the january cold at lambeau and thats assuming he isnt in the training room. Hard pass for me.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:40 am

If he thinks Smith-Njigba is the best WR in this draft, it would be best to snag one of the top OTs , or trade down. Marvin Harrison,Jr and Egbuka were the OSU top guys. Smith was the third look behind Olave and Garrett Wilson.

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Cubbygold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:00 am

Coming from a buckeye fan, this is not true. Bucks likely win the NC last year if JSN is on the field, he was the clear #1 until he was injured.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:38 am

This is well played RC, and I agree!

Doubs & Watson alone cannot do it and get shut down by defenses. They need that talented 3rd WR, and some talent at the TE position to loosen up the defense and the double teaming.

There are some very good WR's in Mims, Mingo, Perry, Tillman, and others in round 2 - 4. I do not think the Packers necessarily need JSN, or even Johnston. Zay is a little small but even he could conceivably fall into high round 2. With the WR's aside, the receiver who I think provides the biggest difference maker for the Packers is Dalton Kincaid. Identified as a TE, but I think he would best play a big/power slot WR. Then draft a true in-line blocking TE like a Darnell Washington.

Ideally, unless some true blue chipper fell down to #13, I'd prefer the Packers trade back to around #19 and pick-up a 3rd round pick. At this point, they will most likely have a choice of Dalton Kincaid, or Quentin Johnston. I like either of these guys and the impact they will have on the offense at minimum equal to the value of JSN at #13. I believe Kincaid is the skilled player in round 1 who can make the biggest difference. With that said, if Paris Johnson, or Broderick Jones fall to #13 that is my draft choice. I feel very comfortable the Packers can still pick a high quality WR & TE in round 2 & round 3.

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Turophile's picture

April 25, 2023 at 01:00 pm

At this time, with picks 13, 42, 45, 78, I'm looking at:
Edge Miles Murphy
TE Darnell Washington
DT Gervon Dexter
CB (S) Tyrique Stevenson

That is four of the position groups in most need of starter-level players filled and all are high RAS guys.

Edge covers for Rashan Gary until he is back and he can be the evntual replacement for Preston Smith.
TE begins the refilling of an empty TE room (they need another from this draft later)
DT Covers the loss of Lowry and builds for the long-term with Wyatt.
CB (S) Safety is a poor position group this year, so I'd get a big CB and play him at Safety.

..........and to stop RCPackerfan from chewing up the carpet, I'd take WR Mingo in the 4th. Guys with multiple hammy injuries, I'd pass on in round one.

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 05:58 pm

I can very easily see Quentin Johnston being our pick if opportunity presents.

That would be a fun start. Getting Love his weapons first. Gutekunst seems pretty good at finding OL talent. Can’t wait to see how Rhyan and Walker develop. Tom is dynamite. Elgton. Much left to see, but…

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Tundraboy's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:35 am

Exactly. Red flags.

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Coldworld's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:03 am

No to JSN. A slower Adams is no sure thing.

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:00 am

Slot WR is covered with Melton & Toure. I firmly believe Gutekunst looks at it the same way.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:40 am

They probably will do okay at Slot, but a Dalton Kincaid would even be better a better option for both the receiving & running game. Yes, I do believe Gutey might be considering Kincaid rotating between TE & the slot.

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Coldworld's picture

April 25, 2023 at 12:05 pm

Rather different option. The two need to coexist but not overlap fully.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:11 am

Hes also about 20 pounds lighter than Adams too.

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Untylu1968's picture

April 25, 2023 at 06:25 am

Find a trade partner, maybe Seattle? Will there will be anyone worthy of the 13th pick available?

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:17 am

Would be interested to know why Gute valued that 13 so highly. Does he have info on exactly what NE is looking for?
Does he have video evidence?
Is his confidence overly inflated?

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Johnblood27's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:28 am

I see what you did...

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:27 am

Thank you. I smiled when i thought of it. But apparently it’s still a sore spot. No idea why.

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:41 am

“Next question.”

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DoubleJ's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:58 am

At worst the 13th pick is worth more than the 15th in a trade down scenario. Or say a top player starts falling in the top 10 then you could trade up to 9 with your R3. Another thing is stay pat and take the best player on your board. I personally would stay pat and see if a top player falls and take him or trade back for more picks. Personally I don't think than any of the OTs, WRs, or TEs are worth the 13th pick. Therefore getting more for your money on a trade back for someone who might really like JSN or say Levis.

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Coldworld's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:08 am

Those 2 spots are a surprising amount of draft capital and the Jets only have so much to give. Any GM would take that. I’m some ways I’d rather have stayed at 15 and taken their other second, but this gives a better shot at a player they see as elite elite who slips and also to get a better deal from a trade back. Any GM would want that.

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dobber's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:32 am

Don't massage the facts.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:15 am

I dont think it was obsession with the pick as much as it was trying to get as much value as possible. They were never getting #13 outright so they swapped picks to sweeten the pot. With that being said, I am now fully aboard the trade up train. Will Anderson is within reach without gutting the future. They could give up #13, their 1st next year, and a 3rd rounder and still have 2 2nd rounders next year at the very worst (possibly even the Jets 1st if Rodgers meets the playing threshold). Small price to pay for the next Derrick Thomas. This is their first chance for a true blue chip impact position player since I can remember. Lets do it Gute.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:57 am

OT is what I have read. They are gonna have to say goodbye to All-Pro LT D. Bakh next year. Plus the RT is on a one-year deal.

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:45 am

^^^^
THIS

Perfect scenario to turn that #13 & 149 into #s 20 & 37. I’m certain Gutekunst & Schneider have had that conversation.

Good one, Untylu1968!

Ooooooooo! I totally dig that one. In this draft, that’s highly attractive to a rebuilding Packers team.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:20 am

I am all in for a trade down if the deal is solid. And with #13, Gutey will get more solid offers than with #15. The higher the pick the greater the urgency to reach out of need.

I am hoping some team calls Gutey Thursday evening out of great urgency. If they are frantic, even better.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:49 am

If they're trading with Seattle, it better be to move up for #5 and snag Will Anderson. Rare players are considered rare for a reason. There's nothing rare about the players in the late first or early 2nd round. I want Gute to swing for the fences. Anderson could be the piece that puts this defense over the top.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 25, 2023 at 01:34 pm

A top flight, consistently successful DC will put the Packers over the top.

Barry had 7 first rounders on his defense last year and they were not even close to clearing the bar.

Increasing the mix to 8 first rounders with Barry coaching them has me skeptical his below average defense will vault to the top.

My sincere hope is MLF has been convinced, that if he has to keep Barry for consistency over competence, he agreed to let Rich Bicassia "help" on D. He better hope the D plays a lot better this season.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 02:00 pm

Does Barry have issues? Sure. But the players didnt do themselves any favors either. Cant tackle, cant get off blocks, you name it. Barry calls play that most the league calls. Most teams spam cover 4 now to limit the big play which is a big reason scoring was down league wide. Barry wouldnt be my first choice, but lets not make the mistake of putting it all on him. Doesnt matter what play is called if the players cant execute the basics of playing defense.

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Coldworld's picture

April 25, 2023 at 05:18 pm

Which is the chicken and which the egg? Good play goes with good coaching and good coaches get players playing hard, smart and well individually and as a unit.

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 05:49 pm

Change over in Pettine specific D players to this new Barry led scheme, (IMO the brainchild of both BG & MLF) is about to begin its third year of talent adds. Mainly via Draft because cap he’ll stuff.

Explains some zone switch personnel issues for sure, amongs a few others.

Murphy forced Pettine on MLF, sadly. Wasted year and maybe wasted personnel investments FA/drafts?

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 25, 2023 at 06:19 pm

The defense regressed in its second year of Barry Ball. He has never succeeded as a DC. Why MLF believed he would strike lighting with Barry in GB is a mystery to me. He has not worked out so far. The players weren't buying into what he was selling. Neither did Coach Gray.

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Duneslick's picture

April 25, 2023 at 02:01 pm

I saw the same thing yesterday. I looked for someone who had a latter first round pick and an early 2nd round. Seattle was the best fit

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stockholder's picture

April 25, 2023 at 06:31 am

Rodgers is news. National News.
Love ? Who's He! So Gutey Won.
He now gets to hang himself.
I'm seeing Darnell Wright PoP -up.
That would do it.
The Concern with Darnell Wright.
He was the starting LT and they moved him to the Right.
Does get lazy and sloppy.
And he's at the top of the Board?
I didn't make this shit up.
Gutey now is in the history books.
Trading Rodgers will be his claim to Fame.
But if Ot is the solution to the #13 pick.
Somebody better Burn it!

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pantz_bURp's picture

April 25, 2023 at 06:37 am

It was time Stock. The clock struck 12.

Let the grass grow like a new beginning. With the 13th pick, the Pack select = for the future.

Thank you #12 for the incredible run. Thank you #10 for taking it from here...

Packer Nation, letz rock!

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murf7777's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:01 am

Stock, I never wanted the Packers to move on from Rodgers. Was I tired with his antics, yes, but that’s not a big enough reason for me to want to see him gone. He’s still a Top 10 talent and has the potential to lead his team to the championship game and possibly the SB. That is gone forever….damn I wanted more years.

I’m with Tauscher who stated last night on his special Wilde & Tausch show, I’m sad tonight. We are in the minority, but that’s ok. When Rodgers leads the Jets deep into the playoffs, our fan base might think differently, especially if Love doesn’t do well.

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Coldworld's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:19 am

It had to happen at some point and last year showed us that this roster was no longer an adequate vehicle for Rodgers. Something some of us saw coming before his extension. Now Rodgers gets a good roster and a different coach. If you are right he may have a career swan song. We, cap denuded after multiple last dances, get to free up our cap and retool. With Rodgers that would have been a very long process unsuited to him. Sometimes the window of opportunity closes. It did for us after 2021.

A year late for both parties, we are now moving in into an unknown that was inevitably coming. Remember Favre was lighting it up till he tore his bicep in 2008. That still didn’t make moving in the wrong move, as the Vikings came to discover. There was always going to be a time post Rodgers. That time has come and it’s overdue here. Best thing for both him and the team.

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murf7777's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:36 am

Of course nobody knows the future, otherwise decisions would be so easy. I respect you opinion, but last year with a broken thumb isn’t a good indication of how he might’ve done if healthy.

That being said, I think you are right that he wasn’t all-in with the Packers because he didn’t show up early to work with Rookie WR’s. I think there is sour feelings yet with him and the FO that was irreparable.

So, I’m sad to see such a great talent leave us and will embrace the future with LOVE and hope for the best.

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Coldworld's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:12 am

All greats leave the stage at some point. My point wasn’t attitudinal, just that his needs, if he was to prolong his career successfully, and ours, if we are to have the capability a competitive roster around a QB, had diverged. There is no reason to get into attitude issues, real or imagined, because if that. It just was time. Last year was an exercise in denying reality.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

April 25, 2023 at 12:03 pm

I am so tired of this "didn't show up early to work with rookie WRs" meme. At those voluntary workouts, the rookies didn't even know the playbook yet. How the heck would Rodgers being there have helped? The real hurt wasn't Rodgers not showing up in a t-shirt and shorts, it was Watson missing training camp, when Rodgers was there. And Doubs getting hurt mid season (along with Lazard, Watkins, and Cobb who all missed time with injuries along with the rookies). The issues last year were a broken thumb, a changing offensive line due to injuries, and multiple injuries to the WR corps. Oh, and Tonyan not looking like he looked before the injury AT ALL.

Yet Watson and Doubs were among the most productive rookie WRs in the league last year. That flies against the popular story that Rodgers doesn't trust rookies and it's beyond silly.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 25, 2023 at 01:36 pm

Why bother with the evidence file, some fans are locked in One Gear.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:23 am

CW, I see it the opposite way. Rodgers was no longer a proper conductor for this team not the other way around. This team shouldve made playoffs last year. But 5 interceptions in 2 games vs the Lions put an end to all that. Plenty of other poorly played games by Rodgers too. #26th ranked qbr didnt come about due to no talent on the offense. It happened cuz Rodgers was checked out. They gave him more money and more control. He gave them nothing but fingerpointing and bs. Even in training camp he was publicly casting doubt on this offense. So much for the whole power of manifestation nonsense he hypocritically preached about. This team will win the division this year simply by playing Love instead of Rodgers. The difference in offensive efficiency and productivity will be apparent from the very first game. Mark my words. This team is coming to win now.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

April 25, 2023 at 12:06 pm

Okay let's see how Love does, if he is the difference. Let's watch for a season and see if you're right. You act like the thumb injury and the injuries to the offensive line, Watson, Watkins, Doubs, Cobb and Lazard never happened or never mattered. That's ridiculous. It wasn't about money or control, it was a battered QB, battered WR group and battered o-line. And a defense that did nothing to help until the end of the season.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 02:07 pm

Its not even just Love. Lafleur's scheme works. Weve already seen it before in 2020, which was the closest Rodgers came to buying in. Offense functioned like a machine that put defenses on their heels play after play after play. Makes life sooo much easier for the qb too. Go back and look at some tape from 2020 when they had the 8th ranked pass O and the 9th ranked rush O. Nearly perfect balance and one of the most efficiently explosive offenses I've ever seen. Rodgers benefitted from that offense the most as he saw more wide open looks than he ever had in his career. Why he demanded a shift away from that philosophy a year later is truly baffling to me. The last 2 years could have been so different.

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barutanseijin's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:31 pm

The guy is gone and the excuses continue.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 26, 2023 at 12:19 am

My main point is about MLF's offense. We know it works and it will work again. If all you got out my previous comment were excuses and Rodgers, then I dont know what to tell you.

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Coldworld's picture

April 25, 2023 at 12:11 pm

It doesn’t really matter at this point who or what was the main driver, only that the car broke down. I think the reasons may become clearer this year, but the salient and overriding fact is it wasn’t going to work. Now we can worry about why.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 26, 2023 at 12:21 am

Its not really a mystery tho. The film speaks for itself. Offensive coaches dont just up and decide to scrap their offensive philosophies after historically great seasons. But they may be compelled to do so when the franchise qb holds out and demands they scrap that offense or else.

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 12:22 pm

LoveGun gonna be white hot.

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Untylu1968's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:15 am

I hope he plays great, has great stats, and tremendous health, along with a 4-13 season! GO PACK GO❤️

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:19 am

What Rodgers does this year or next year with the Jets is irrelevant now. They didnt move on to Love for this year. They're moving on to him for the next 10+ years when Rodgers will be long gone from the NFL.

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Oppy's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:35 am

Well, it’s kinda relevant that Rodgers plays 65% of the offensive snaps this year.

Otherwise, I agree with everything else. I don’t know why so many people don’t understand that Rodgers is a short term player while Love (or whoever) has the potential to win ganes for the packers for a very long time.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:52 am

Oppy, you know what I meant. Even if he wins the super bowl its irrelevant cuz he wasnt winning one here and hes not going to play forever. Love is a 10+ year commitment. Not a 1-2 year rental.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:55 am

With the #13, He should only be concerned about Paris Johnson, or Broderick. None of these Edge guys are worth the #13, only Will Anderson with a Trade Up, then it would be best to trade down for value btw 20-25. I still maintain my guys. Rodgers can hang with his girlfriend and make some Marketing Deals, he's happy. It was no fun watching Bart get beat up at the end of his playing days. The Concern is still their Drafting, Coaching and naturally, The Fans.

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DoubleJ's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:03 am

None of the OTs in this draft are worth the #13 pick. This is a very weak R1 OT class as the top ones are at best late R1 picks in most drafts but most likely these are R2 OTs in most drafts.

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Coldworld's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:53 am

Paris Johnson us the only one I’d consider definitely elite and the only one worthy of a 13. I think there’s virtually no chance that he’s still on the board then. Jones is potentially as good, but he’s raw, has struggled in the run game and needs work. I simply wouldn’t spend our first pick on him this year, though I think he will be good. I know some want to develop a guy, but to me the opportunity cost is too high given what we have and don’t have this year. Wright I wouldn’t touch.

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stockholder's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:45 am

Got to agree with Dj here jb.
PJ only has the long arms.
Hutchinson owned him.
BJ works; but not at 13.
I still prefer the combine winner N. Smith.
We need somebody behind P. Smith.
But I wouldn't bet against Branch/VanEss
(If he and Murphy are gone)

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 25, 2023 at 01:54 pm

Who is Hockenson? Broderick Jones moves very well and has the punch for the wide-zone offense. Not one-year wonders for either guy. I doubt they slide past #12. Watch film, not draft guides. Branch would be wasting all of the Rodgers karma from the swap. I do not know what people see in this guy. He's a Star, like Savage. Big Ten guys over SEC . I would assume Gutedkunst watched the O line's performance last season. They almost ended Rodgers career, for good. The RT position needs a blue chip. Van Ness< Zach Harrison< Uzomah. They are not running a 4-2/4-3 defense Where N.Smith can hide behind DEs. Have to closely watch the Georgia/Alabama squads to see who does the dirty work and the rest run around. Still Not sold on Walker. See if he gets a tutor? Get the Final Mocks in by 6:00 AM, Thursday.

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stockholder's picture

April 25, 2023 at 03:58 pm

Sorry - Aiden Hutchinson - Played for UM.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:24 pm

He is a dominant guy, but Bhak held him at bay. Now find the other bookend to front him up. Every time you bring help for an OT, you lose a weapon in the offensive scheme. Put pressure on the defenses, don't let them control the Game Plan.

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Todd's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:42 am

"And he's at the top of the [Packers'] Board? You in the room with the GM and the personnel department, stock?

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stockholder's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:49 am

If I was in that room.
Robinson RB Tex, would be on top

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dobber's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:46 am

"The Concern with Darnell Wright.
He was the starting LT and they moved him to the Right.
Does get lazy and sloppy.
And he's at the top of the Board?"

You have no effin' clue who's at the top of the board.

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Oppy's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:47 am

That’s the problem with sone of these hobbyist draftniks, they think their mock drafts- conducted by other hobbyist draftniks- and sspeculative articles about NFL teams’ big boards written by draft industry “insiders” who don’t have any inside connections to these NFL war rooms- are the end all be all.

It’s a huge circle jerk of draftniks opinions and there’s a draft profile, mock draft, or projected big board to suit every varying opinion.

None of it means anything. The pros make their moves based on their scouting department’s own assessments, which they keep tight to the vest for obvious reasons.

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stockholder's picture

April 25, 2023 at 12:54 pm

No- It's hyping the draft.
Watch the tape and you'll pick a winner.

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 06:10 pm

With data collected over a span of years going back to High School play. Scouts scout. The good ones at every opportunity.

That’s why I never touch a simulator. I have a handful of publications I’ve stuck with for nearly 40 years. They still stand the test of time. I like data from PFF/FO, etc, but not grades.

DIC offers pure fantasy these past 10-20 years, often way off the mark.

My entire life I’ve just loved learning about the players, seeing the team building strategies. I’m a pro personnel geek in NFL, NBA and MLB. That’s my jam, my fun, outside of family.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:16 am

In other news, an old man screamed at the sky today.

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 12:24 pm

Too good. Style points awarded.

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stockholder's picture

April 25, 2023 at 12:28 pm

He just bought a #8 jersey!

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NickPerry's picture

April 25, 2023 at 06:32 am

As much as I would love to see the Packers take Smith-Njigba, I hope it doesn't involve trading up. Most mocks I've seen have him going to the Eagles at 10 which doesn't make much sense to me personally, especially when you look at who they lost in FA this year. BUT, if I'm reading Jimmy Johnson's trade value chart right it would only take 16 points. I think they traded their 5th so a 4th NEXT year?

The Packers just have way too many holes on this team to be trading draft picks to move up IMO. IF Smith-Njigba is gone and the OT they wanted is gone do they trade back, get more picks and take a Meyer or Kincaid? All I know is the POSSIBILITIES just increased and this draft has become much, much more interesting.

Thanks Gute!!!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:45 am

Agree Nick!

No trade up! JSN is good but not that good and the Packers need all their picks. Was disappointed they gave up the #170 even. Unlike many I do not see JSN as being that game changer WR for the Packers. Good....yes! If he is there at #13 take him unless Paris Johnson, or Broderick Jones are sitting there. Now that is when things get interesting as there are other good WR's available in rounds 2 - 4.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

April 25, 2023 at 01:01 pm

"Was disappointed they gave up the #170 even."

But now Gute has an early 6 to take his kicker (Moody?).

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 25, 2023 at 05:28 pm

LOL....well, we did not have a #6, so I guess getting one was a good thing....RIGHT?

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Boneman's picture

April 25, 2023 at 06:32 am

Awesome and exciting time for Packerland! 'Love' it...
JSN- Why oh why don't we ever learn? You think the Packers will use a high first round pick on a slot receiver with hamstring issues after already hitting on Watson last year in the 2nd round? C'mon Man!
How will a "project" TE like Washington help Jordan Love when he wasn't even the best TE on his college team? By blocking? I have more hope that the Packers might go with Keion White but less enthusiasm about drafting a 24 year old Edge, but OK.
Let's trade back for more day two picks and target the meaty part of this draft.
Edge- Van Ness or Murphy
TE- Kincaid and Kraft or LaPorta
DL- Mazi or Keannu Benton
WR- Mingo and Hyatt
Go Pack go!

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blondy45's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:33 am

I'm with you Boneman. I am looking for a QB to fall to pick 13. That will open up the trade possibilities big time. If the Pack's top player not picked is at 13, he had better be someone not named Jason Smith-Njigba. The Pack added 3 Wrs in last year's draft. We need another, but not injury prone limited exposure Njigba. IMO Edge Van Ness is worth the 13th pick. An OT is OK if it is Johnson or Skoronski, although I do not believe either will be at 13. There is no TE worth the 13th pick IMO. So I believe if Van Ness is there, he is my pick. If not, the obvious thing to do is trade back. We need a trade partner, will there be any? I hope so. In Gute I trust.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:01 am

I think Van Ness is a huge reach at 13. Too much hype surrounds him for a rather thin college resume. Not that many tackles or sacks when he did play.

Sure, he's a high RAS workout warrior nicknamed Hercules, but he didn't impress at Iowa as a freshman and was redshirted.

He played his second year but didn't start...spot duty and some splash plays.

His third year at IA he didn't start either and again had some splash plays. He was voted 2nd team All B1G which is ok but he never dominated games the way TJ Watt did his third year... and TJ lasted to the end of the first round.

If he is so good, why was he on the bench for so many snaps? I read he a solid bull rusher but not much else. And while has excellent straight line speed for a guy his size, he is not very quick, slow feet, and is slow to react.

Is he so muscled up he fatigues quickly? IDK. He is a prototypical boom bust pick...I see more bust potential right now.

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dobber's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:47 am

He's a more twitched-up Aaron Kampmann.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 25, 2023 at 02:06 pm

There is no doubt the Brain Trust has some residuals in the collective grey matter, trying to conjure a 4-3 guy like Kampmann into an Elephant/Edge.
They have Engabare for that particular role and he will be better this season.

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blondy45's picture

April 25, 2023 at 12:39 pm

All Good points Plain. The more I think about Van Ness, the more I believe we should trade back. I am a Penn State fan, living in Western Pennsylvania. I have similar thoughts about Will Levis. He could not beat out Sean Clifford, so he transferred to Kentucky. Sean Clifford is a marginal 7th rounder at best. Is Levis a top 13 player? I would definitely say no. He may drop but some unwise team will want to trade up to get him.
Until the Pack is on the clock, only then will Gute see what his true options are. I would hope we trade back. Thanks for showing me the information on Van Ness. I do not think he is a #13 prospect now either. What players do you like if we stay & pick at #13? OT? Thanks Gary.

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murf7777's picture

April 25, 2023 at 05:51 pm

Don’t think there is much relevance that a person didn’t beat out someone early in their college career no matter how that other person turned out. How the player ended his college career is more important than how they started. How they played as a Freshman has little to do with talent evaluation. How did they play in the last year or two, did they grow and develop over the last couple of years? What is the prospects ceiling? Levis might just end up being the best of the QB crop this year.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:54 am

Tonyan had 52 receptions and got a $2.65M contract. There is more to a TE than his receiving prowess.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:55 am

Given that minimum wage is close to a million, $2.65 million for a veteran isn't a vast sum. More on that later.

There is more to a TE, or any player. Showing up, being available, staying out of the headlines for the wrong things, working hard, getting stronger, learning, getting along with your teammates, etc.

I need some people to explain to me why the same team that let Tonyan go over a relatively small amount of money is going to spend a high draft pick on his replacement. I'm kind of doubtful that's going to happen, and I don't think we're going to get any of the "Top TEs". I think we'll get a TE on Day 3.

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dobber's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:31 am

"How will a "project" TE like Washington help Jordan Love when he wasn't even the best TE on his college team? By blocking?"

The Packers gave Marcedes Lewis 40+% of the offensive snaps each year he was in GB for his blocking acumen--they sure didn't throw him the football very much. There's a regular, well-defined role for a blocking TE in this offense, and it looks like there's a big hole on the roster in that area right now.

Washington has a high floor because his sheer mass makes him an effective blocker--even though many scouts say he's sloppy and needs a lot of work. Do I want to see the Packers use a high 1st on him? No...but maybe he slides to the point where he makes sense. The Packers will find a blocker either in this draft, as a UDFA, or by promoting Allen off their PS.

I expect an athletic, dual-purpose guy on day 2 (Kraft, Schoonmaker...maybe Kuntz) and a late-round flier on a blocker (Durham, Gindorff, Patterson). They should have no problem attracting UDFAs to camp.

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Leatherhead's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:02 am

I'm with you dobber, as usual. This team, this offense, has a well-defined role for a TE that functions as a 6th offensive lineman. Schoonmaker, Latu, Kuntz.....these are all guys that could be available on Day 3 as well.

When I look in the TE room, we've got Deguara, who'll probably get more snaps this year than previous seasons, but he's more of a 2nd TE, and not the 6th offensive lineman type. We've got Austin Allen, Tyler Davis, and Nick Guggemos .

Do I WANT a really talented TE in the passing game? Sure. Do we NEED to spend a high pick on one? I'm not so sure.

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:27 am

This is definitely true. In most cases. Getting a blocker as Pro ready for that in Darnell Washington can mean much to an offense looking to build on 3 years of scheming.

Mercedes Lewis is Darnell’s hero. Patterned his game after him.

Therein lies the difference.

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jannes bjornson's picture

April 25, 2023 at 02:16 pm

Averett, or Ben Sims...

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Swisch's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:01 am

As I understand it, the reason Washington didn't get many targets at Georgia is because another tight end on the team has been one of the best in the country.
It may be that Washington is an overlooked and undervalued player for this very reason.
If Gute & Co. think it's true that Washington blocks about as well as a tackle; if it's thought he has the size, speed, quickness, agility, and hands to catch 50 passes per season, including some tough catches in the red zone; if he seems to be a hard worker and solid citizen -- well, then, get this guy.
If he's really that good, he's worth #13, and it doesn't matter what other teams or experts think.
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Another idea would be to be to make a trade that involves moving down in the first round to between #20-#25, and then take Washington at that time if he's still available (plus add a round two pick in the bargain).

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 02:17 pm

There's truth to this, but there's also more to the story. When you watch Washington in the receiving game, he looks clunky and unnatural. Reminds me so much of OJ Howard, who by and large became a bust despite being a size/speed freak and having a productive college career. He was a great blocker but was too akward in the receiving game and never overcame it. Im all out on Washington.

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Swisch's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:32 pm

I appreciate your input, TBSH, so a thumbs up from me.
I'm hoping that the front office of the Packers makes the proper evaluation of Washington as a pro prospect.
If not him, then I'm wondering if there are any elite edge rushers who could be available at #13, potential stars in the NFL.

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Coldworld's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:04 am

Blocking—the guy I had been what Lewis was for us in recent years all through college. That’s rare in itself. He is a very good blocker. He also has very very good hands, so red zone/key down massive target. That alone isn’t a first round profile, but it’s still a big help potentially. The X factor is what can one do with him in the passing game. Well, we know he can go deep in a straight line. That could be fascinating alone if incorporated right. Beyond that, well there’s the gamble that lifts him into the first probably. It’s worth noting that his agility testing and burst at the combine were in fact both elite too. He ought to be far more, the question is was that other options who couldn’t do what he did very very well or that he couldn’t learn. Personally, I would take that risk, but not at 13.

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Swisch's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:35 am

Thanks for the good response, Coldworld.
The appearance of burst and agility in Washington to go along with his height and weight seem to make him a tantalizing prospect. With good hands, he can make contested catches in traffic.
It may be a maverick move to take him at #13, but a good move if the Packers think he is likely to be a superstar.
A good thing about Washington is that he seems to be at least solid (little chance of being a bust) and could be much better (truly a boom). Plus, he seems ready to contribute significantly as a rookie to grow with Love.
I wonder if there are any other guys in this draft at tight end, or even other positions, who have his upside in terms of athleticism and skills. It's just that we don't know how that will transfer to the NFL (which is more or less true of all college players), largely because of his seeming underutilization at Georgia.
As a question to you, and anyone else: If the Packers traded down in the draft, at what point would you take Washington?

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:49 am

My answer, not that it means anything, would be it depends on who wants to trade up to 13 and what the compensation is.

I would feel great drafting Darnell Washington at 21 (Chargers), 22 (Ravens), 24 (Jags), 26 (Cowboys), 27 (Bills), 28 (Bengals). The only monkey wrench might be if we traded down to 26 and the Giants drafted him at 25.

Trading down there is always a risk someone could draft him right in front of us if we get too greedy. I think trading back to 21 with the Chargers and getting 54 overall would be a far back as we dare go if we really want Washington and aren't willing to take him at 13...

That is just my opinion, of course.

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Swisch's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:46 am

I'm truly glad to get your opinion, BDU.

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Savage57's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:01 am

"after only playing 60 snaps last year, thanks to multiple hamstring injuries."

That statement right there scares the beejesus out of me. Guys at skill positions with a propensity for tight hammies is a red flag.

Use the value to move down, increase the odds of finding two players, not one.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:20 am

I ran the 100 meters for 8 years in high school and college. Never pulled a hammy.
For the right price, maybe a hamstring transplant? I’d take a cap-friendly deal.

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:35 am

First read: “I ran the 100 meters in 8 years…”

Adjusts glasses.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:41 am

Ha!
My PR was in that neighborhood…

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:55 am

Lolz. No shit.

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Untylu1968's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:20 am

You had me at "I ran the 100 for 8 years in high school"! We'd have been good friends, was always looking for a buyer of 🍺

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 01:12 pm

That’s even funnier, and probably closer to the truth.

L
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Swisch's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:49 am

I was active in sports in high school, but unremarkable, and so genuinely figured I wasn't a good enough athlete to pull a hamstring.
It wasn't until I was in my 30s that I pulled a hamstring, which I genuinely figured was a matter of age.

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BirdDogUni's picture

April 25, 2023 at 12:16 pm

I ran track in HS. 440 relay, 880 relay, and mile relay. My track coach entered me in the 100 yard dash. (Yes, I'm old.) I false started twice on purpose, so my best friend would win. I never ran individual events and Idk why my coach entered me, but he wasn't happy with me and never entered me again. Lol.

Growing up we spent every available moment at the Lake. Water skiing. I played college FB and Baseball. Overseas I played FB, Baseball, and Rugby. Never pulled a hammy. I went home for my 25th HS Reunion and the guys I hung out with, one had a wicked ski boat, so we went out. I loved to slalom ski.

Always started with two feet in, was just good enough to easily jump the whole wake and show off. Not good enough to go Pro. On my third turn, after too much to drink, I snapped my right hamstring like an empty compound bow. My leg was instantly black. I couldn't walk without crutches for at least two weeks. Served me right for acting like a 20 year old at 43.

One and only time I pulled a hammy. Very painful lesson.

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Handsback's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:29 am

On the sat. NFL channel they indicated he may not have a clean bill of health.

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Handsback's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:29 am

On the sat. NFL channel they indicated he may not have a clean bill of health.

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murf7777's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:52 am

I agree no need to take a chance Savage…….Here’s an interesting take; How about trading down and get another 1st next year. Similar to what they did with New Orleans. Might have to even trade down to the top of the 2nd. This way if Love stinks it up and the Packers end up with a top 10 pick they would have 3 first round (Rodgers needs to play 65% of plays) to do whatever they want next year when the draft is suppose to be loaded with top end QB’s. After 30 years of winning football, I’m spoiled and want another 15. The only way you get another 15 is if you have a Top 5 Franchise type of QB.

If Love doesn’t stink and takes us onto another run we then have a lot of arrows in our quiver to build the team quickly. The draft has been stated to not be strong outside the top 10 is another reason to load up next year. Of course, you would still have 3 2nd’s for this year.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:35 am

I do not shed picks this draft, I want to acquire more. The depth of this draft at Packer positions of need has the table set for Gutey. This can be the best draft banquet he has ever enjoyed.

The roster needs an infusion of talent...and infused with younger players on rookie contracts to attack Murphy and Ball's cap monster.

Trading for a future 1st has validity...but not for the Packers this draft, at this time.

I think this is the most consequential draft Gutey has faced.

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dobber's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:38 am

"I do not shed picks this draft, I want to acquire more."

I think they need to have an open mind, and look at all opportunities, but this reset will be a multi-year process, and bringing too many high picks to the table for new contracts in the same year makes longer-term roster management and staggering of contracts a little harder. Some of those guys won't cut it, but I'd still take high-end draft capital next year over mid-round value this year.

This is uncharted territory for this management group: they've spent the last 5 years drafting to fill holes and try to stabilize what they thought was a championship roster. Now, they're retooling this team to some future image and will be clearing cap over the next year or two. The window reopens soon--what will the view look like?

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EnemyTerritory's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:36 am

Trading down is my preference. Again I’m no draft guru, can’t even tell you the mascots for the college teams outside of the Badgers and the local U. However, TE or WR at 13 is a bit rich and if we can trade down, get more shots at the apple and acquire picks to move back up into the first or high second round or hedge our bets on a different QB in 2024 that seems wise. Stay away from WR with hammies.

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PatrickGB's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:51 am

My preference too. But I don’t want the team to trade down too far. Late first and then early second have been reported to have the best value. And given the huge number of picks the team has this year I would not be opposed to trade some of them to move back up in the middle rounds. (Of course they need a willing partner)

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WD's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:02 am

As we know this year's WR class is not particularly strong. The best receiver this year is not saying a lot relative to last years crop. So at 13 I think we go defense. So, why not take the best edge rusher with the greatest upside potential? To be specific: Nolan Smith. The knock on him is he is small for an edge. Would we say that about the Eagles Haason Reddick? Of course not because he is one of the best rushers in the league. He is small (240lb) and a fast 4.52. Smith is small (238 but runs a blazing 4.39. No QB in the league can outrun him. Running QBs last year was an Achilles heel against the Packers. So yes I go Smith or Miles Murphy at number 13 . I do love Darnell Washington if available in the second round. If Gute insists on a receiver I go with Dalton Kincaid. I would even prefer one of the premier OL tackles over the overrated WR. Kincaid could play slot or in the line as TE; While Washington is like adding an extra OL who can catch and run. We will see what Gute is thinking. Reasonable people can disagree.

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Handsback's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:25 am

Actually the knock on Smith isn’t his size, but between his ears. The GA. LB came out and said he had trouble figuring out schemes so they had him on the edge instead of inside where he would be a monster. That is from the Huddle Report.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:43 am

Micah Parsons weighed 245 with a very similar 40 to Smith. He’s sort of okay.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:57 am

Micah Parsons is also a lot better football player. Be weary of combine warriors. This is football, not a triathalon.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 01:43 pm

I was merely refuting concerns over size and speed.
I WISH there was a more objective way to measure “good at football”!
Totally agree that skill and instincts can overcome some physical limitations
BUT
There are no 192 pound linebackers in the NFL, regardless of how good a tackler they are, regardless of “assignment sure”, regardless of instincts.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:45 am

I think at 13 it’s edge or OT.
However, yesterday, Daniel Jeremiah had Bijan as the #3 overall player and Kincaid as the 9th.
There will be intrigue for sure!

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mrtundra's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:04 am

I did a mock yesterday, after the Rodgers deal was done, and went with Nolan Smith, Edge, at #13; Darnell Washington, TE, at #42; Cedric Tillman, WR, at # 45(3rd round); and Sydney Brown, S, at #78,( 3rd Round) . Paris Johnson, Skoronski, and Dalton Kincaid were off the board by pick #13.

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Untylu1968's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:45 am

That would be very solid! What other Wrs were available at Tillmans slot?

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PatrickGB's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:53 am

I love that mock! Make it happen.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:20 am

Nolan Smith is definitely a guy to keep an eye on imo. First off he is from Georgia. And the Packers have drafted 3 Georgia players in a row in the 1st round. They clearly like what Georgia is giving the league.

His speed off the edge would provide a different look for the defense. Most of their rushers now are more power rushers. It would be great to have an explosive type of rusher to mix in and compliment what we have.

As for his size, he is 6'2 240 lbs. Clay Mathews measured 6'3 240 lbs. Don't worry too much about his size.

i agree about Washington in the 2nd round.

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dobber's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:45 am

"Nolan Smith is definitely a guy to keep an eye on imo. "

He's nowhere near as refined as Von Miller coming out, but he's reminiscent of Miller. The kind of guy you move around a lot and make the offense find and adjust to on every play.

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Coldworld's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:23 am

I like Smith too. I just wonder if we have the DC to exploit him fully? Admittedly Barry hasn’t really had that type of piece, unless you count Hollins. He will have to go make a lighter speed rusher make sense as a 13 pick.

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Bitternotsour's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:29 am

the picks aren't made in a vacuum. if it's smith, you know damn sure they have a plan with him, that the DC has a fully realized scheme to make it work.

anything less would be criminal, and certainly not the way the team was run prior to Mark Murphy becoming the owner.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:46 am

Definitely Dobber!

Having that kind of speed is a great thing for the defense. It can really change the entire defense.

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jvole's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:19 am

The Jets should have demanded that the Packers insult Roger's work ethic on the way out the door. That would lit a fire under his a$$. Also Packers should have thrown in their 3rd round picks for anything better...Gute has proven he has no idea what to do with them.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:29 am

3 of those "failed" 3rd round picks (Sternberger, Deguara, Amari Rodgers) were weapons for Rodgers that he refused to throw to. He's as much to blame for those failed picks as Gute is. Rodgers cried about weapons and then did nothing with the ones he got cuz he wamted to throw to his old pals instead just cuz they knew his stupid hand signals. That's all over with now.

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Handsback's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:19 am

The two points to the Rodgers trade that hadn’t been discussed much are the point value of the slots. If GB doesn’t have a player fall to them, the trade value of 13 verses 15 is a 3rd pick. Run some draft simulators and see the differences. The other added bonus is GB gets a 6 round pick. There are plenty of good players in that area of the draft and I suspect GB has their eye on 1 or 2 of them.
So I have no idea who GB has on their board, but I suspect that they will pick 3 additional players that make the team after the Rodgers trade, and that is nothing to sneeze at.
Just MHO

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murf7777's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:10 am

I was just looking at a chart and the difference is 100 points which in this chart was a high end 4th round picks. Yes, the Packers got a 6th, but they gave up a 5th so that is a negative and makes the 100pts even less.

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MainePackFan's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:50 am

Murf, That's the price you pay to make the deal happen. I do like the fact that we now have a 6th rd. pick. Now I can mock draft Max Duggan : )

I think the trade compensation we got is as good as we could have hoped for considering the circumstances.

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murf7777's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:41 am

Yes, I think it was very good! My point was that according to the value chart I looked moving from 15 to 13, especially since you also swapped a 5th for a 6th isn’t valued at a 3rd round pick. The value is more like a mid to high 4th.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:28 am

I'll throw this out here. This is my (personal) list of (11) players that I think someone might be willing to trade up for, followed by PFF's next-highest-rated players (in PFF's order):
1. QB BRYCE YOUNG, ALABAMA
2. QB C.J. STROUD, OHIO STATE
3. QB WILL LEVIS, KENTUCKY
4. QB ANTHONY RICHARDSON, FLORIDA
5. EDGE WILL ANDERSON JR., ALABAMA
6. EDGE TYREE WILSON, TEXAS TECH
7. DL JALEN CARTER, GEORGIA
8. CB CHRISTIAN GONZALEZ, OREGON
9. CB DEVON WITHERSPOON, ILLINOIS
10. RB BIJAN ROBINSON, TEXAS
11. T PARIS JOHNSON JR., OHIO STATE
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13.
T PETER SKORONSKI, NORTHWESTERN
WR JAXON SMITH-NJIGBA, OHIO STATE
TE DALTON KINCAID, UTAH
EDGE NOLAN SMITH, GEORGIA
DI CALIJAH KANCEY, PITTSBURGH
S BRIAN BRANCH, ALABAMA
EDGE MYLES MURPHY, CLEMSON
CB DEONTE BANKS, MARYLAND
TE MICHAEL MAYER, NOTRE DAME
T BRODERICK JONES, GEORGIA
CB JOEY PORTER JR., PENN STATE
T DARNELL WRIGHT, TENNESSEE
T ANTON HARRISON, OKLAHOMA
WR QUENTIN JOHNSTON, TCU
EDGE LUKAS VAN NESS, IOWA
EDGE WILL MCDONALD IV, IOWA STATE
RB JAHMYR GIBBS, ALABAMA
TE DARNELL WASHINGTON, GEORGIA
DI BRYAN BRESEE, CLEMSON
EDGE ADETOMIWA ADEBAWORE, NORTHWESTERN
EDGE BJ OJULARI, LSU
DI KEEANU BENTON, WISCONSIN
EDGE KEION WHITE, GEORGIA TECH
EDGE ISAIAH FOSKEY, NOTRE DAME

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:47 am

How about, “I’ll take the lot!”

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dobber's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:16 am

Thank you, Harry Potter.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 01:44 pm

I was thinking of Monty Python where the guy ate everything on the menu, and then a wafer-thin, after dinner mint caused him to burst!

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bottlefliper's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:34 am

Trading Rodgers was a great move and no matter how Love will do, the Packers may be better than before and way more fun to watch. You can finaly enjoy them again. The fun may be back at sundays even we will have some tasks to master.
Great move by Gute, he let Woody pay all the millions for a guy who asks Rogan for advise. And we even got something what is worth a first rounder. We robbed the Jets for a guy who had his prime from 2010-2014 and will be done playing soon.
So we got out of this bad contract with an blue eye and if it was not for the desperat Jets, nobody would have taking him.
90% of the Packers fans I know are pretty happy today.
The Packers may jumped the rebuilding and are in better shape right now, than at any point in the last 10 years. We have now 20 years to match the AR rings, should be easy to do.
Dont know about the ship on the shoulder narrative. With all the ships AR had a really bad play off record since the one run. When did he played with some fire and some heart? I forgot it and we have the ship on his shoulder crap here every single year, just to have him falter when it really counts. Can be worse than that.
And for overcooking something, Corey knows something about since he wrote every piece abour AR since forever...

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

April 25, 2023 at 12:12 pm

You can enjoy them again? So 150-79-1 wasn't enjoyable? Having 13 wins 3 seasons in a row wasn't enjoyable? Knowing you could be in games until the very end wasn't enjoyable? Back shoulder throws? Broken plays that result in huge yardage? So much about Rodgers was so very enjoyable, but one down year with a bunch of rookie (and injured) WRs and a broken thumb and you're unhappy?

I truly hope those of you who wanted Love to start are right. I've been around since the days of Bart Starr and there wasn't a ton of enjoyable seasons anywhere between him and Favre.

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LambeauPlain's picture

April 25, 2023 at 06:39 pm

Lynn Dickey, Loften, Jefferson, and Coffman put on a great show. Too bad the D perennially sucked.

I will miss Rodgers' sublime passing. He's 40 and even he was 90% certain it was time to call it a career.

I truly wish his 18 years would have been paired with a top defense the majority of the time. Capers Ds kept another Lombardi....or 4 from gracing the Halls at Lambeau field.

For the good of the Franchise, have to see what Love has. And I hope Barry does not become MLF's Capers.

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Handsback's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:40 am

I have a question, does anyone think Kancey from Pittsburg fit the Dline requirements of the Packers? I see him as a Aaron Donald drone, but wonder if Kancey is that good?

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:49 am

He hovers over Donald? 😉

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:05 am

As good as Donald? Likely not. But he doesn't have to be either.

As for fitting in GB. I think he would fit in well. I would be really intrigued to see him between Clark and Gary.

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Untylu1968's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:28 am

He may not fit the requirements, but I'd be willing to take an undersized guy who has a fire in his belly, like him or Smith. Stay away from the guys that play like their hairs on fire, last dude didn't work out.

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:42 am

Calijah is a unique handful for interior OL. He has every single Pro DL move in his arsenal. All of them.

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Coldworld's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:46 am

Kancey is a penetration type. At 280 odd, he’s not necessarily an asset in the run game at the pro level. He also lacks length. Donald’s distinctive talent was to be both lethal as a rusher and good enough against the run if he wanted.

Kancey has got a great motor, I think he’s going to help a team pressure, but against the run it’s very questionable if he will hold up. Since that’s where I see us struggling, I’m not keen on the fit that high in the draft. Similar concerns were voiced about Donald, who was a similar build, of course. Kancey had been seen by some as a guy who could play the edge, but the length issue is heightened there.

Overall I think it’s a big risk to take Kancey that early hoping that he will emulate Donald, but it’s one I can see a team taking. I’m just not sure it’s the risk we should take unless we think he’s the edge solution few saw. We need to be better against the run. We really don’t have a run first but 3 down player other than Clark (and he’s less stout than he used to be, literally).

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jhtobias's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:52 am

Yes good call but you have one big problem it is called Joe Berry blame Lafluer for this mess

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:35 am

If the Packers ever actually played with 3 down lineman he'd be a great fit. But they almost always use 2 down lineman. Kancey just doesnt have the beef to anchor against double teams. I would expect a team who runs a Tampa 2 defense to target him for the under tackle spot like Warren Sapp and Tommie Harris used to play. Thats likely his best fit where he can just get upfield and not have to worry about double teams. Still wondering why the Packers havent switched to a Tampa 2 yet but thats above my paygrade. Joe Barry is Rod Marinelli's son-in-law but that would make too much sense.

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RCPackerFan's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:42 am

"So Now What?"

That is the biggest question. What happens next?

First off I have to say I am happy with what we got in the trade. I wasn't expecting the pick swap. I was hoping for it but I wasn't expecting it. 2 picks may not seem like a lot but it really can be. First off it gets us in front of New England. They are a team that could potentially be looking to get a QB. There were rumors that they were shopping Mac Jones. Which means that they could be looking to go QB in this draft. If one of the top QB's falls to 13, there a team may look to get ahead of NE for a QB. Maybe a team is looking to get ahead of NE and NY for an OT.
Trading down from 13 is a real possibility. Also, if they were to trade down, the trade chart value of going from 15 to 13 will give us more value. Moving from 15 to 13 is roughly equivalent to pick 100.

A couple of trade down scenarios. This is based on CBS's trade value chart.
Packers trade 13 to Commanders for 16. Packers also would get picks. 97 and 150.
Packers trade 13 to LA Chargers for 21. Packers would get pick 54.
Packers trade 13 to Jaguars for 24. Packers also would get picks 56 and 121.

Also maybe the Packers decided they wanted to move up for a player. If they were to trade up in the first round and use the 2 picks that they got from the Jets they would get to pick 7.

If the Packers stay put with in the first 2 rounds they have 3 picks. That extra pick now gives them flexibility. Based on Gutey's comments and especially talking about TE and Edge I have to think there is a strong possibility he will take 1 player from both positions in the first 2 rounds.

The biggest thing is we are moving forward. We got a good deal I feel for the trade. Now its time to build the team and see what we have with Love.

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PatrickGB's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:56 am

A big thumbs up on that! (I only wish my thumb was bigger)

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pantz_bURp's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:14 am

Find a hammer 😁👍

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:50 am

LOL!

Been there and done that.....oh so many times! :(

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StarrtoRodgers's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:44 am

"The League" (i.e. 31 Billionaire Parasites) propaganda - "Packers robbed the Jets", blah blah blah - in an attempt to fool and pacify justifiably outraged Packer fans as the Packers are forced to give up the Passer Rating leader and MVP 2 of the last years for can of PEANUTS - a 2nd round pick and a conditional pick, though THERE IS NO TRADE yet as Brian pointed out time and time again yesterday:

Brian Gutekunst expects Aaron Rodgers trade to be completed before draft
Green Bay Packers General Manager Brian Gutekunst spoke with the media prior to the start of the 2023 NFL Draft.

Interviewer: "When did the trade happen?"

Brian: "The trade is not finalized yet. We were expecting it to be done very quickly, hopefully soon. A lot of things have been agreed upon, but there are things to go through."

Interviewer: "How much did things accelerate in the last 24 to 48 hours? Did things pick up this week?

Brian: "Not really, I would say in the last 5, 6, 7 days we been talking. We been talking you know much longer than that but I think the last 5 or 6 days over the weekend and stuff there has been a lot of conversation that helped us get to this point, but again there is still things that need to be done, IT IS NOT FINALIZED BUT WE DO EXPECT IT TO BE DONE IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS."

Interviewer: "Is it just paperwork at this time, at this point?"

( Note: What an IGNORANT QUESTION - all business deals are on paper or they ARE NOT DEALS AT ALL. NOTHING. ZERO. )

Brian: "Mostly yeah, BUT THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT, so we're not there yet, but again were expected to have this done before the draft."

And the Bears traded their 1st overall pick in the 2023 draft (an unknown that could be Ryan Leaf or Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson - or maybe Peyton Manning) for Carolina's first-round selection at No. 9, a late-second-round pick (No. 61), a 2024 first-round selection and a 2025 second-round pick and young star wide receiver DJ Moore.

And Russell Wilson was traded for 7 players - the 9th (2022), 5th (2023), 40th (2022), 37th (2023) picks in the NFL Draft - all unconditional draft picks - and a young solid starting tight end (Noah Fant, the 20th pick in the 2019 draft) and a starting defensive end (Shelby Harris) and quarterback Drew Lock (2nd round 42nd overall pick in the 2019 draft - 6 players who will be Seattle starters and 2 of which (5th and 9th pick) will probably be all pros and a backup or possible starting QB - for Russell Wilson.

And Matthew Stafford was traded for the Rams' first-round draft picks in 2022 (32nd overall pick) and 2023 (6th overall pick), a third-round pick in 2021 (101 overall pick), and quarterback Jared Goff (1st overall pick 2016, Super Bowl quarterback 6 playoff game 6 year starter),

And Brian, Russ and Mark dutifully bend over to the Billionaire Parasites trying to maximize New York NFL TV revenue.

Rodgers will complete his 4 year contract and whomever he plays for will be in the playoffs each of those years.

And the spoiled Packer fans will learn that it was Aaron Rodgers that carried this team the last 15 years.

I see some of the small clique of the bewildered herd of so called Packer Fans that follow and worship their Packer Management paid sycophant that distributes Packer Management propaganda on this website - in the land of the blind the one eyed is king - are celebrating as if trade has been done.

So are the SELF RIGHTEOUS and Hateful Church Ladies - those that speak of Aaron Rodgers as if they have met and spent time with him and know him personally, when in fact they never have and instead drink down all of "The League's" scripted hysteria and propaganda - i.e. the Billionaire Parasites' owned wage slaves and talking heads' spiel, whose jobs it is to excite these SELF RIGHTEOUS Church Ladies hypocrites with rumors and gossip and disinformation and misinformation and twisting of Aaron's words and out right lies - the Church Ladies are celebrating and happy too.

Then there are the SPOILED BRATS - also Aaron Rodgers haters - who are not satisfied with the fact that the Packers - with Aaron Rodgers as the starting quarterback and leader over the past 15 years:

appeared in the playoffs more years - 11 - than any other NFC team or quarterback

appeared in more NFC championship games - 5 - than any other NFC team or quarterback,

appeared in more NFC playoff games 21 - than any other NFC team or quarterback

and also had as many Super Bowl wins - as any other NFC team or quarterback over those 15 years, despite the facts that

the Packers - unlike any of the other 32 teams - never drafted a wide receiver, running back or tight end in the first round over the past 20 years, 2003 through 2022,

and despite the emphasis on defense in the first round fielded only 3 top 10 defenses over 15 years compared to Tom Brady's teams having had top 10 defenses in 12 of those 15 years and having had higher ranked defenses in 14 of those 15 years.

TRUE Packers fans will NOT be celebrating this Packer Management ego, jealousy, envy and emotion and resentment driven malicious, ignorant trade of the longest tenured Packer in history and in most TRUE Packer fans' opinions - those that have been watching and cheering the Packers through long periods of winning and long periods of losing for at least 60 and in some cases over 80 years - one of the top 5 greatest and most physically and intellectually talented Packer players of all time, when and if such trade is actually made.

True Packer fans want their Packer players to win and also be treated with the respect they deserve by Packer management.

Victory in child's game without respect for the players that entertain us at risk of dying on the field, suffering brain damage or other crippling injury is not worth the price.

Injury pay cuts and limited leverage: five brutal truths about NFL contracts (published in the Guardian 1/17/23)
Getting injured often leads to a hefty pay cut

The NFL Network journalist Ian Rapoport reported that Hamlin’s four-year, $3.64m contract was due to earn him $825,000 this season but contained a clause to pay him at a lower rate of $455,000 while on the injured reserve list. In other words: a 45% salary cut because he suffered a cardiac arrest doing his job. And that is pretty standard for injured players.

In a sport this violent, the question is not whether a player will get hurt, but when. According to a 2017 Harvard analysis, the mean injury rate in the NFL is 5.90 injuries a game, compared with 0.45 in MLB, 0.16 in the NBA and 0.59 in the NHL. The enormous health risk means teams don’t want to commit to the kind of long-term, guaranteed deals seen in other sports. But that risk is exactly why financial security is so important to players. They’re expected to play hard all the time – and yet they could be one tough tackle away from a massive loss of earnings. The new collective bargaining agreement (CBA) agreed in 2020 raised the number of regular-season games from 16 to 17 and expanded the playoffs from 12 to 14 teams. And more games means more injuries.

TRUE Packer Fans will be cheering - and never booing - Jordan Love or any Packer player, but they will not surrender TRUTH to Packer Management paid Propagandists and their obsequious obedient servile sycophant brown nosers.

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HarryHodag's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:48 am

Favre was traded for a 4th round pick. The deal works out for both sides. Rodgers no longer wanted to play in Green Bay. Not much more to it than that. His Darkness is now Robert Salah's problem.

I would suggest finding a new hobby.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 07:51 am

Wasn’t it a 3rd?

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croatpackfan's picture

April 25, 2023 at 08:15 am

It was conditional 4th round pick that become 3rd because Brett Favre played enough snaps for Jets at the moment he was injured.

So, you are both right. Brett Favre was traded for 4th rounder that become 3rd rounder eventually.

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:18 am

There it is!
Escalating future picks are a tradition whenever GB trades a QB to the NY Jets.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:38 am

Hodag, I dont think its a hobby for this guy. More like a dark and twisted obsession. The movie "The Fan" immediately comes to mind.

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Coldworld's picture

April 25, 2023 at 05:22 pm

Play Misty For Me.

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Lphill's picture

April 25, 2023 at 02:26 pm

when did Rodgers say he wanted out? or did he read the writing on the wall and accommodate , I am a Packers fan and now Love is my QB but if anyone thinks Rodgers has nothing left in the tank they are rudely mistaken.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 26, 2023 at 12:14 am

Rodgers has been checked out since the hold out. Possibly even longer. Went out and won another MVP in 2021 just to spite his own team. Who does that?

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Since&#039;61's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:04 am

StarrtoRodgers - I've been one of Rodgers most staunch supporters over his career. I believe that he is arguably the best player that the Packers have ever had and that he is legitimately in the conversation for greatest QB of all time.

However as in all sports, businesses and industries people move on or they are moved out and things change. over the decades we have seen the Packers move on from Starr, Nitschke, all of the great Lombardi Packers, Lofton, Reggie White, Leroy Butler, Favre, Woodson, Collins and now Rodgers. When we are discussing HOF players like the players who I have mentioned it never seems like the right time or a good time to move on. But the reality is that it always happens eventually whether it's retirement, injury, salary cap or team management deciding it's time to get a return for the player and help build for the next era. This happens in every business and industry as well for whatever the reason appropriately or not.

I cannot contend that Packers management has treated him poorly because the Packers have paid Rodgers extremely well. Employers say thank you to their employees by paying them. The Packers have given Rodgers plenty of thanks.

For better or worse players in any sport are assets in the portfolio of their respective teams. As such they are utilized for the most value which they can provide for their team while they are active with the team and when the end of their time arrives with that team. In the case of Rodgers he is not just a player. He himself is also a business. He has an interest in maximizing the return on himself for his own business, hence his reasoning for agreeing to play for the Jets. Rodgers knows that if he can win in NY he exponentially increases the value of his own brand via the exposure of the world's largest media market. If he wins in NY he earns sports immortality. For Rodgers even if he doesn't win in NY he still gains exposure and endorsements for his brand which could compensate him for the rest of life.

It's just business for all parties. It's big business for the league, the Jets and Rodgers. For the Packers it could be big business depending on how well Love plays and how well Gute drafts for the next 2-3 years.

During my business career I learned to adapt to the ongoing rapidly increasing changes in my industry and adjusting to the coming and going of the personnel who worked with our firm. As fans we too need to adjust to the ever evolving roster of our team even when that means moving on from an HOF player. It's time to let Rodgers go and for me, at least, to be grateful in the knowledge that I have had the opportunity to watch yet another all time great player/QB play for the Packers. It's been one of hell of journey watching Rodgers play for the Packers, he gave us everything he had and as fans we can't expect or ask for anymore from any player. No retreat, no surrender, no regrets. Thanks, Since '61

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MooPack's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:20 am

Since'61, great take. This response should be pinned at the top of any discussion on Rodgers going forward.

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Since&#039;61's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:39 am

I appreciate your generous comments MooPack. Thanks, Since '61

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:21 am

Measured, logical, reasonable, rational. Well stated.

Unfortunately, some are immune to that approach. 😉

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Since&#039;61's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:40 am

Thanks TK. Everyone comes at this from their own perspective. I'm a live and let live person. Thanks, Since '61

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TKWorldWide's picture

April 25, 2023 at 05:00 pm

Notice I avoided saying “immunized”.

But on a serious note, I am really looking forward to Jordan Love’s PERSONALITY emerging!

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croatpackfan's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:22 am

Very wise words Since. I agree completely with your statement. Everything around us changes and keeping ourselves in the past and used ways at one moment produce problem that can not be solved.

Saying that, we have to take in consideration that it is not that newly established ways are good and that is why you have to adapt and evolve every "day" moving towards future. If new way is not good you can cover loses by evolution, not radical change.

And that is what Packers are doing. They accepted that one era came to the end, but on time implement new era testing new way (Jordan Love + MLF system) some time in combination with an "old way".

At some age people is ready for retirement. They are not willing (despite some may be capable) to continue constant adaption to changes. At that moment they should retire. And to retire their way of doing things.

We can not be obsessed neither with old nor with new.

Thanks for well said post, Since.

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Since&#039;61's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:53 am

Croat thank you for your very kind thoughts. we should always try to remember that today's solutions become tomorrow's problems or issues in the case of people.

Fossil fuels once provided numerous solutions for all people around the world, back in the late 19th century or early 20th century no one realized that it would damage our environment. Same is true for plastics back on the 50s and 60s. Plastic solved countless storage and transportation issues now it has become an immense pollution and disposal problem around the world.

At some future date lithium battery disposal will be a problem along with other climate change solutions which are emerging today. The cycles will continue and humans will need to improve and adapt.

The same is true for people. In the NFL every team looks for their franchise QB. No matter how well they play and how great of a career they have the time comes when the team and the player must move on whether it is because of retirement, injury, salary cap, or coaching/FO issues. Regardless, the teams go on and the players come and go. As fans, and even as many of us are Packer shareholders there is not much more that we can do but watch and hope for the best for our team and the players. We either enjoy the games or we can walk away but either way we can't control it. Best to you Croat. Thanks, Since '61

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greengold's picture

April 25, 2023 at 01:09 pm

This is one of the best insights shared here on the overall picture we are experiencing, and have been for years.

The Packers are a unique corporation.

Business, good Football business a hallmark. Our cap was in peril, and we all watched that car wreck happen. Dashed dreams upon a threshold realized.

Smart choices remain. If things work out like I think, it will be akin to a gold medal winning escape in Olympic wrestling. Have to credit our FO here. AR essentially fully agreed upon barring physical.

Good deals result when everybody’s happy.

Well said, Since’69!

Semi load of cookies.

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Since&#039;61's picture

April 25, 2023 at 03:44 pm

👍Good post green gold! Chocolate chips for me! Thanks, Since '61

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ReaganRulz's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:08 am

This person talking about “propaganda” needs to look in the mirror!!

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NJ-RICK's picture

April 25, 2023 at 09:54 am

Thank you Startorodgers- I hope the front office mgt personnel will be gone sooner then later. Were in salary cap hell now for the next few years because of them. Don't blame AR12, Packers MGT offered him the mega contract. There were plenty of teams that wanted AR12 before the start of the 2022 season and even offered more in compensation then the JETS. I for one wanted AR12 to stay but when MGT decided not to obtain any additional offensive veterans via free agency I knew they were going to struggle offensively. So now everyone wants to blame 4 time NFL MVP AR12 for a mediocre 2022 season and not MGT. Sorry I'm not buying it.. The Vikings, Bears and Lions are all licking there chops now that AR12 is gone. The Packers will be bottom dwellers for a while now, thank you Packer MGT. I wish J Love and all the Packers players the best in 2023. I just hope Packer MGT will be gone soon enough so the rebuild can offically begin.

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dobber's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:15 am

"Don't blame AR12, Packers MGT offered him the mega contract. "

At least they were smart enough to read the writing on the wall, recognize their mistake, and get out from under it.

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Untylu1968's picture

April 25, 2023 at 10:29 am

Where's the dude with the bonkers scale? Man, you're talking like a sausage...

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LeotisHarris's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:53 am

"Man, you're talking like a sausage..."

Tip of the hat to you, sir. This phrase, and its companion "you're talking like you got a paper azzhole..." were staples of my grandfather's verbal arsenal. Throw in "balls on a heifer," and you'd be on your way to a full conversation.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

April 25, 2023 at 11:37 am

Return of the Spam.

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Since&#039;61's picture