Cory's Corner: Pressure Is On Jordan Love

No No. 12 at OTAs means the spotlight falls on Love. 

The Packers started organized team activities today. 

Unfortunately, the one thing everyone has been focused on has been the one guy that isn’t there. However, I think this is a blessing in disguise for Jordan Love. 

Now, don’t get me wrong. I believe what general manager Brian Gutekunst said about Love. I don’t think Love is close right now to being a starting quarterback. 

Then again, to be fair, Love wasn’t given the opportunity of a normal offseason complete with OTAs, a minicamp and training camp to properly learn and understand the basics of becoming an NFL quarterback. Now that COVID-19 has been quelled, NFL schedules are returning to normal. 

And with Aaron Rodgers not coming to OTAs, that will only help Love and the Packers. Obviously, it will give the benefit of more reps and it will also allow Love the chance to be a quarterback without being absorbed in the Rodgers’ situation. 

This will also help the Packers. The Packers traded up to take Love. They would like that selection to pan out. And without Rodgers, this will allow the Packers to have a long look at Love — for the first time. Instead of trying to coach him via a Zoom meeting, now they can actually coach him in person and see how much he absorbs and retains. 

I say all those things with a deep hope that Rodgers is under center on Sept. 12 in New Orleans for the season opener. We can be happy that Love is getting a look at quarterback, but let’s call a spade a spade, Rodgers gives the Packers the best chance to win and win now. 

Green Bay has an excellent roster. It has an offensive line that was one of the deepest in football a year ago, one of the best secondaries in the game and one of the best 1-2 punches at the running back position. 

Love will get plenty of opportunities and deservedly so. If Rodgers is going to stay away from Green Bay, the Packers have to figure out what they have. You could almost make an argument that Rodgers is staying away as a gamble. Rodgers has had a front row seat to all of Love’s practices last year. Deep down he knows if he can or cannot play. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rodgers is staying away in order to push the limelight on Love and turn the heat up on a guy that hasn’t proven anything yet. 

Just remember, Rodgers could be relaxing  in Hawaii and saying, “For all those that said that they wanted Love, here you go.”

I’ve seen plenty of Love’s offseason training videos. His footwork and release looked solid. However, there’s a difference when it’s three or four guys running routes and trying to grasp Green Bay’s offensive concepts. 

All of the pressure is on Love now. That may seem odd, but Gutekunst is trying to justify a first-round trade-up and Love is trying to make sure he isn’t a Packers quarterback footnote. 

The Packers will have an answer by the end of the summer. The first chapter of understanding begins with OTAs. 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 06:20 am

Jordan Love is a baller. Fans will see.

“ You got nothin’ to worry about, Jules...”

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Packerpasty's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:02 am

all major college QB's are "ballers" in college...few turn into "ballers" in the NFL...

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Since'61's picture

May 25, 2021 at 02:22 pm

Plus Love had one good season in a very uncompetitive conference. That doesn't mean he can't evolve into a good NFL QB. I think he can but he will need time. He will need time to learn the offense, he will need time to learn to read defenses, and he will need time until the game slows down for him.

None of that begins until he plays in regular season games. Love is over a year away from having played live football at any level. It will take him time to adjust to the speed of NFL regular season play. Snaps in preseason will help him learn the offense but getting up to NFL speed only happens during regular season play.

Add this to the pressure and scrutiny he will face following Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. When Love becomes the starter he will need time and we will need to manage our expectations. Thanks, Since '61

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 03:29 pm

Hey Since'61!

My thinking on this has evolved over the course of the offseason, like a lot of fans. We've gotten a bit more info, but not a lot.

What I see is our HC, Matt LaFleur, is insanely intelligent, hard working, competitive, and he's a planner. He knows the workings inside 1265 Lombardi Avenue better than any of us. I have no doubts that MLF has planned for this scenario, and that he has been in constant communication with Jordan Love the entire way through.

I'm sure they have developed plans, training regimens, etc. to make this transition as smooth as possible.

Really, yesterday, after finding a bit of video of Jordan Love and Equanimeous St. Brown working out together, running patterns and plays, it really made me feel a lot better regarding the situation all of us Packer fans are in now. The fact that it was ESB, too. That's telling.

The thing about Jordan Love is the guy is super bright, and super competitive as well, and he and Matt LaFleur very likely have a special HC/QB relationship. When I say that, I think they will be of one mind in what needs to be done. I bet Matt has drilled all of the important points into Love's brain to help him succeed, while pointing out the other superfluous garbage to ignore.

As fans, I think we might be very, very surprised by what we see with Jordan Love as QB1 running Matt LaFleur's offense. There will be bumps along the way, but, he will be learning new things with every game, and I think Love's confidence will grow over the course of this season.

I don't think there is any chance Bortles sniffs the field this year except for maybe some garbage time. He's there to help guide Love along the way. This could be really good. Just my hunch.

If Love and Davante, and MVS, and ESB, and Lazard, and Amari, and Deguara, and Tonyan start lighting it up? Look out.

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Since'61's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:49 pm

I can see some reasons for optimism with Love but I need to see him play in regular season games before I can try to assess where he is at. With a rookie QB assuming Love starts, 3 new OLs (until Bak returns) plus trying to implement a new defense I think. that we're going to start slow this season. Then as Love begins to improve and the defense settles in the team will play better over the second half of the season.

If Love follows ARs trajectory we're 3 seasons away from an SB at best. If he follows Favre's trajectory we're 5 seasons away and Favre played with Reggie White. The reality will probably end up with Love not being a bad QB or a HOF QB but somewhere in between.

If Gute's draft picks work out over the next few seasons we'll continue to have a solid team. Whether we'll be an SB team only time will tell. Thanks, Since '61

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Gravedigger93's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:38 am

"You sendin the wolf? That's all you had to say..."

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:26 am

You and I BOTH know how it goes... !!!! hahahahaha! Beautiful.

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 06:54 am

Poor field vision
Has to improve working through his progressions
Must get more consistent at reading defenses
Often stares down his primary read
Needs to learn to move coverage with his eyes
Could stand to improve decision-making
Has some turnover issues
Accuracy issues
Will need to improve footwork
Not ready to play; needs development

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ReaganRulz's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:05 am

1/2 empty post. You forgot to mention any positive things to his game that will make him 1/2 full. Go back and take a look at a FULL review of his time in college and you may want to change this post. There are reasons that some of us remain optimistic!!

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:14 am

With so many people wanting him to start. I just posted why he needs time.

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jannes bjornson's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:18 am

For the Fans, one man's reality is another man's delusions.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:31 am

^^^^^
Always negative
Hates the Packers organization
Hates Love, loves #12
Blinded by vindictiveness
Not a shareholder, rather a sharehater
Only knows one act, it is getting old
Needs to take a break and stop the hatred
Sad...blood pressure must be a concern
RELAX

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Packerpasty's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:04 am

perhaps he's a realist...

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:16 am

Everyone's a realist...we just don't all subscribe to the same reality.

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PeteK's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:51 am

The separation is when many facts back one and not the other( in trials, the preponderance of evidence).

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:07 am

He's a young QB. Most of the things on that list are things young QBs have to work on.

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Crankbait's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:04 am

Sounds a bit like Aaron Rodgers at crunch time in the playoffs ?

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:10 am

Taking the most negative summary of many and posting it as fact isn’t generally indicative of a strong argument.

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Swisch's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:13 am

Would that mostly describe Aaron Rodgers late in the championship game against the Bucs when it was first-and-goal from the 8?

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HarryHodag's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:18 am

Based on what? His play with an inferior college coaching staff?

Remember when all the 'experts' said Aaron Rodgers was failure because he had a 'hitch' in his throwing motion and likely would be a flop in the NFL?

So much for predictions before the pads come on.

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PeteK's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:55 am

Exactly, that's why time, quality coaching, and team makeup can increase success for a QB.

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Bure9620's picture

May 25, 2021 at 05:21 pm

So basically every young inexperienced QB coming into the league??

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

May 25, 2021 at 06:55 am

No different than Rodgers back in 05-08. He needed the reps back then, not now. Great opportunity for Love!

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 06:57 am

Needs to improve his field vision and awareness. Often fails to recognize or completely disregards coverage rotations and it doesn’t have a great enough impact on his decision making. He throws some careless, YOLO balls that need to be reduced. While there is a lot to like about his willingness to be patient and stay in the pocket, his internal clock is often tardy. Can be aggressive vertically to fault. Has to find more consistency with timing and progressions. Has general accuracy with plenty of misfires.

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jurp's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:07 am

"He's a little short. The thing you worry about is those (Jeff) Tedford guys. They don't do anything for a couple years and then they have a good year or two. Who of his quarterbacks has done what they're supposed to do? None of them. Is he just working magic with great college quarterbacks or just manufacturing guys?"

"I like him. He's a very talented guy. A lot of quarterbacks that were system people have not done very well. That puts up a red flag. Not that he is one of them. He could be an exception. But I can't get it out of my craw."

"I think he has some upside although there are some things that are just ordinary about him."

"I think he has a good chance of being a bust. Just like every other Tedford-coached quarterback. Thing I struggle with him is he gets sacked a lot. He doesn't have great ability to change the release of the football. He's mechanically very rigid. "

"I don't like him. He's a clone of Harrington and Boller. They all throw the same way. What have those guys done? Nothing. If you take him in the second round, fine."

"He's a system quarterback. 3-, 5-, 7-step guy. Can't create on his own. Panics under pressure. Gets flustered easy. "

Quotes about AR prior to the 2005 draft. There are more, most about AR being mechanical and somewhat robotic in his play. His release was also questioned. Gee, too bad we drafted such a small robot who can't create on his own, with a poor release. A shame that couldn't have been fixed with good coaching.

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:22 am

It's Love's football IQ that I thought everyone questioned. Unlike Rodgers. Love will take longer.

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:47 am

Grasp at straws much? stockholder?

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fastmoving's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:51 am

Actually nobody questioned Loves football IQ.
But in the Q universe all the weak brain death make up stuff because they have no facts or education.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:08 am

If anything the fear was he’s too Favre-ish in his instincts. Willing to take it on himself and force things.

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NickPerry's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:24 am

Thank you jurp!!! Great comment!

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:58 am

Just for fun:

"Outstanding size with good speed. Has good arm. Doesn't go deep often, but has arm to do so. Good touch & accuracy short ... Would improve Falcon back-ups -- depending on toughness, leadership ability and smarts. Could develop into starter in league."

Brett Favre

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:58 am

Good job!

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NickPerry's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:21 am

Common Stockholder..

CLEARLY you're talking about his final year at Utah State...You know the one, where Gary Anderson was the HC at Utah State for the SECOND time. He had a new OC, new DC, 9 NEW starters on offense, and a completely new system.

I think I can safely say if Trevor Lawrence was at Utah State with those SAME coaches, SAME players, & SAME conditions, about 95% of those things you knock Love about would apply to Lawrence.

I'd also add that much of this didn't apply in 2018 when he was playing with guys he KNEW, in a system he KNEW, and Gary Fricking Anderson wasn't his HC!

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:33 am

I understand what your saying. But the film doesn't lie.. His arm strength is what everyone likes. You and I have seen qbs form the mad Bomber to McMahan. Love isn't the fit the packers needed. Especially if they wanted to run the ball more.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:03 am

Tony Pauline’s summation:

“Love looked like a franchise quarterback after the 2018 season, but he watched his game take a step back last year. He pressed and tried to take too much on his shoulders throughout the 2019 season, which ended up in disaster. Love had a solid week of practice at the Senior Bowl, tested well at the NFL Combine and comes with great upside, but he will need to be properly coached and developed.”

I think that’s a little more representative of the player and the dilemma.

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 01:21 pm

But the argument is he NEEDS TIME. 10 more years? . You, like others are comparing him to Rodgers. Yet the comparisons are Kapernick and Stafford. I'm sure the scouting reports of the packers differ. After all they drafted him. But the argument has always been, and always will be, was he the right choice? Your conscience doesn't answer the "Needs TIME."

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NickPerry's picture

May 26, 2021 at 05:55 am

Yes, he does need time, I have no doubt about it. THIS Summer is going to be so vital in the development of Love after what happened last year with COVID. But if Love turns out to be as good as them WITH the roster the Packers have, they have a chance at a SB in the future.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:51 am

Sharehater does not know these facts. He only has opinions he views as facts. Here is another fact...Love scored a 27 on the Wonderlic Intel test. He is a student of the game. I am certain Coach Matt knows this.

Here is another fact Sharehater probably does not know about Jordan Love....His Dad committed suicide when he was a teenager. I cannot even imagine how this would affect a young person.

Unlike Rodgers, who was given every opportunity by two parents he now apparently hates, Love has worked to successfully overcome obstacles placed in front of him.

Jordan Love is a young man I am supporting. He does not deserve the hatred being manufactured by Sharehater or the venom being thrown his way by Rodgers.

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wsn's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:24 am

I disagree that venom is being thrown toward Love, however I agree that he deserves his opportunity. Unfortunate that the opportunity comes under these circumstances, but if he is a baller as some suggest, he'll rise and do the team well and put the conversation to rest. I think the odds are stacked against that being the case - at least in the next few years. Love's ability is a beautiful mystery and his story will unfold over the next few years so time to relax (sorry, I could not resist). I suspect the bare facts are that Love is not ready at this moment to take the reigns - if he were ready, I imagine packers would have traded. With the offense we really only need a game manager (like SF) to do well.

I'd prefer we stick with Rodgers and shoot for a superbowl attempt or two over the next couple years. Striking distance doesn't happen that often, and who knows how well this team will hold together over the next 3-4 years and contracts come due. GB is a small market and it takes some work to recruit players, and I think the great QB tandem of Favre and Rodgers added a bit of appeal and hope the this becomes a trifecta, but that is yet to be seen.

i do think Rodgers is as masterful at the business of football as he is at the QB role, and he is working on changing a paradigm where players wrestle control from the front office. It takes an amazing talent to pull that off. will be curious to see how it ends for him. I'm guessing not well, but I also think this will fail to end well for anyone involved in this saga including Gute and Murphy. I think ML might be the only guy to escape the drama semi intact if his offense is able to maintain without a mastermind driving it on the field - yet to be seen.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:29 am

Rodgers is a manipulative prick.

Ask his Mom, Dad and brother. Ask Danica.

He has manufactured anger for some fans to cheer for Jordan Love to fail. Ask Sharehater.

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wsn's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:31 am

i'm apt to leave out the personal inferences. I'm not in Rodgers shoes nor Love's, so it is hard to make informed decisions of which we are probably more likely to draw story lines that align with our own personal lives, then necessarily theirs.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:59 am

I understand. Fair comment. Yet the past is often prologue.

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:42 pm

Mine were facts! Posted by scouts. On why Love will take time. The character assassination doesn't have anything to do with subject.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 01:18 pm

Opinions by scouts, not facts. And you only posted negative opinions from scouts to support your narrative.

That sir, is character assassination.

Let him play a few games. I do not know what level of success he will have as a pro...but he has the physical tools and college stats to show he has a shot. So does Bortles.

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:11 am

IT took stafford 10 years to learn how to play QB. How many years do we give Love? That is the comparison here. Stafford not Rodgers. Looking at the time lines. I don't think many fans can wait that long.

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RCPackerFan's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:11 am

When we talk about Rodgers and most of us think he is using his leverage to get what he wants (long term deal and more security). We talk about him using his leverage because even though they drafted Love in the first round, they really don't know much about him. He didn't have a regular offseason last year. He didn't have any preseason games. The regular season he was 3rd string all year and ran the scout team. The team doesn't know as much about Love as they would like to at this point. That is why Rodgers can do what he wants right now. He has the most amount of leverage as he will ever have. They know little about the next guy, he just came off of a MVP season.

Love now has the time to show any strides he has made. This is a perfect opportunity for Love. The first real opportunity since last year training camp to really show what he can do in this offense. This is the time for Love to improve. He has the skills, he just needs to get the mental part of the game up to speed.

Lets not forget, that they did bring in Bortles. If Love isn't ready, they have the option to go with Bortles as the top back up. Love needs to show improvement!

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:44 am

The comparison to Stafford was not mine, but on a scouting report

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:41 am

But you're the one reposting it as if it has any substance.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:06 am

I’ve often wondered what Stafford could have been had he landed with a different team. The guy played for a team known to be a dumpster fire produced by a completely dysfunctional FO. Still managed to look like a decent player. How would Rodgers have faired there during that period?

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:18 am

...and when they did have the pieces, the coaching staff was awful.

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marpag1's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:50 am

Stockholder

Stafford played in only 3 games in his 2nd season due to injury.

In his 3rd season, he threw for more than 5000 yards, which is the 12th most of any QB in NFL history. He completed 63.5% of his passes and had 41 touchdowns compared to 16 INTs for a passer rating of 97.2. The Lions went 10-6 and made the playoffs for the first time since 1999.

But yeah, it took him 10 years to figure out how to play quarterback.

Stop talking straight out of your ass.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:59 am

If he did not fart talk he would be deaf and dimb.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:12 am

But Stafford had a great supporting cast ...

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:32 am

oops

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:32 am

"IT took stafford 10 years to learn how to play QB."

I don't often say things like this to other posters, but you're a f#@king idiot.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:04 am

Dobber, when life hands you lemons, make lemonade.

Stockholder is like a compass for me. It always points South, so I can figure out which way is North.

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:59 pm

The post was by the Huddle report: on Love; and Stafford was used. It's to bad you, like everyone else want, to condemn it. I've only posted what is out there. Believe it or not

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jurp's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:35 pm

Yeah, and Rodgers was called "a clone of Harrington and Boller" before his draft. Didn't make it so, did it?

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fastmoving's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:55 am

Stafford is a good QB and he did pretty good with way less than AR over the years......
Other than that its not that AR brought home the Lombardi every year.......we have no problem with waiting. We already do since 2011......

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Bear's picture

May 25, 2021 at 04:54 pm

I feel Rodgers knows he’s adding pressure on Love and really wants him to fail as An I told you so. When or if Love looks bad Rodgers can gloat.

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Irish_Cheesehead's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:28 am

For those set to push the panic button, it’s important to remember one thing: Rodgers was also a mess his first training camp in the summer of 2005. And it wasn’t until Year 3 that Green Bay believed they had something special in Rodgers.

During Rodgers’ first training camp, he quarterbacked Green Bay’s offense for 20 series in four exhibition games against No. 2 and 3 defenses. On just one of those did Rodgers lead the Packers to any points.

Rodgers went 20-of-37 for 172 yards, an average of just 4.64 yards per completion. Rodgers took six sacks, threw two interceptions, had just one touchdown and finished the summer with a quarterback rating of 53.0.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:13 am

And the perception at that time was also that Rodgers was made of glass.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:25 am

I recall when 12 took over for Favre in his second year and hurt his foot and lost the game he tried to sound like he had just walked off the set of Braveheart.

That was a discord for me at the time. Since then, he has not disappointed me with his hallmark arrogance. Great player. Piss poor character.

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:38 am

Love has had a full year to indoctrinate himself in the playbook, and has some (but not nearly enough) practice snaps. In camp and in preseason, Love needs to show he can work within the offense. That's plenty to ask for from the start.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:17 am

Love is a mystery, but one with incredible physical gifts. It’s pretty clear all sides wanted a Rodgers like apprenticeship but it looks like Rodgers has thrown a wrench in that.

It’s Ironic that Rodgers may have done more to harm Loves development than Favre ever did to him by cold shouldering him.

Love will be fun to watch, i certainly don’t expect it to all be pretty and there will be growing pains. Some of those will be due to Rodgers ego forcing Love to the fore without the opportunity the Packers gave Rodgers.

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:35 am

"It’s Ironic that Rodgers may have done more to harm Loves development than Favre ever did to him by cold shouldering him."

Hard to say, because ultimately I think ARod plays 2021 in GB and Love is the #2. But the fact that ARod is absent (and, frankly, doesn't need this work) gives #10 plenty of opportunities to work on mastering fundamentals within the offense. He's got to get his processing up to speed, and that will take reps and time. He's starting to get half of that now.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:33 am

I’m unfortunately to the point where I think Rodgers has talked himself not only out of town in any half decently run organization but also probably out of a worthwhile trade. He said enough last night, when placed in context with prior information, to pin himself to a position for any that care to look.

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jurp's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:39 pm

Yeah, I think he effed up a decent trade - just another way to screw the team on his way out of town. But - John Gruden is in charge of the Raiders, so maybe there's hope there. Elway's not a great GM either, TBH. Too bad Bill O'Brien is out of the league :)

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:31 am

I concur. Now that Surtain signed his rookie deal and presumably got his $12M signing bonus, it doesn't make sense to trade him. I don't see Denver having the wherewithal to make this trade at present.

Could be a surprise team?

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Lare's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:32 am

I think this puts a whole lot of pressure on MLF and the coaching staff. They will be forced to downsize the offensive scheme in order to bring Love along slowly, allowing him to run the offense so that he isn't thinking too much.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:20 am

You may be right, but this scheme as given effect possibly will be more LaFleur and possibly be stronger in some ways as a result. Interested to see how the scheme functions as well as the new QBs within it.

One way or another, it will be interesting.

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jurp's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:41 pm

Perhaps Love will actually hand off on more of the run-option plays and we can see what the offense is really supposed to look like.

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Charvid's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:40 am

When I hear a phrase like, “it’s about doing things the right way”...what I hear is “it’s about doing things MY way”. That is really what he sounds like he is saying...and if I were in charge, I would find that unacceptable.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:03 am

What is not surprising is that #12 reinforced, on national TV, that he is an arrogant azz.

Nice job Rodgers. You probably just scared off any team wanting to trade for your soon to be 38 year old act.

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:40 am

There will be limited suitors on Jun 1, but if they can patch things over enough to play through 2021 and he has a good run (and stays healthy), there will be plenty of teams bidding him up in February.

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:24 am

What the what? dobs, he nuked all the bridges. He's not coming back.

All those words and niceties AR professed to Kenny Mayne were damage control PR. Nothing more.

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CheesyTex's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:08 pm

If you're right, what's the best course of action for the Packers now? Let him retire, get the cap space, and just move on?

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:44 pm

Hey CheesyTex!
Trade him. Take what you can get for the reigning NFL MVP QB. It will be a decent value to the Packers to move on with some assets in players/picks. Forcing his retirement is fully within their options. They won't do that though. I cannot see it, unless stuff gets ugly.

You saw last night, Aaron Rodgers does not want anything to get ugly. He wants this trade to work.

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CheesyTex's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:50 pm

Thanks, greengold.

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Guam's picture

May 25, 2021 at 07:54 am

OTA's without Rodgers is the best thing that could happen to Love and the Packers. At least Love will get time with the #1's and the team can evaluate where he is in his development.

Rodgers said little last night on SC, basically directing his ire toward the Packer front office while professing love for coaches, teammates and the fans. No surprises and no real content as to what he wants from the Packers. He did decline to answer Maynes' question about is he demanding to be traded. This could take awhile to resolve, one way or the other.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:18 am

Rodgers is holding out for potentially roster crippling money/guarantees and he’s blaming that on others. Hard to respect a super wealthy star in those circumstances.

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Guam's picture

May 25, 2021 at 06:27 pm

I agree he is looking for guarantees, but would love to know for how long - the balance of his current contract or longer? I also would like to know whether he is actually seeking decision making input on personnel decisions. I didn't think Rodgers was egotistical enough to actually demand that much input on personnel matters, but after all of his discussion about "people", I am changing my view.

Upon further review, I think he took a serious step out the door with his interview last night. He is asking for too much and the Packer organization may well deal him to another team if the price is right.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:47 am

I don't know what he is asking for. I think guaranteed money in 2022 at the least. My April 12th article re-worked his contract. It had a $15.6M guaranteed option bonus in 2022; that was before we knew he wanted out or had issues with management, so that's what I thought was reasonable in the ordinary course of dealing with the salary cap. I have no idea whether that would have been enough, or if he wants guaranteed money in 2023, or a big raise over the $66.5M in cash he is still scheduled to receive over the next three years.

Interesting times, anyway.

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Swisch's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:52 am

I would hope that the love Rodgers has for his coaches, teammates, and fans would far outweigh his ire for the front office -- especially as the front office is paying him some $37 million this season.
It's hard to understand what noble principle Rodgers would be standing up for at this point. It would seem to be selfishness on his part -- although I would be glad to be wrong.
I wonder if Rodgers has wounded his credibility as a team player to the point where can't really continue to lead the Packers all that far -- especially if success means nothing less than a win in the Super Bowl.
Maybe it's better to start a new era in Green Bay.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:51 am

AR was scheduled to earn $21.85M in cash for 2021. His AAV is $33.5M.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 25, 2021 at 11:00 am

This is personal, and that’s why money isn’t going to fix it. Rodgers wants the organization run a certain way, and so Gutekunst is the bad guy for not making that happen.

On June 1, the cap hit becomes more manageable. On June 8, OTAs commence and the Packers will want this behind them so they can focus on the team this season.

The scenario of trading with Denver for a bunch of picks and players has broad appeal. The idea of trading Rodgers to the worst team in the AFC that we can.....for less....might come into play if everybody can’t get this settled like adults. We sent Favre to the Jets for a 3rd rounder.

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 11:34 am

I really don't think this has anything to do with Aaron Rodgers wanting the Packers organization run a particular way. Far from it.

Yes, he did attempt to steer the car there for his own PR gains... that was all fucking bullshit.

He only wants OUT! He wants NOTHING to do with the Packers.

DEN wants him. The President of Football Operations is John Elway. He brought Peyton Manning to DEN to win a Super Bowl. He was successful there. He is now wanting to bring Aaron Rodgers, reigning NFL MVP to DEN to win a Super Bowl. Elway is a gunslinger...

There is no bidding war. However, the Packers have leverage in not having to make a trade. We have our QB of the future in Jordan Love. He's in OTAs right now.

The Packers could hold a hard line, and not trade him. We are loaded with talent right now, even with Aaron Rodgers sitting on his ass on a beach somewhere, to get the job done - AND EAT HIS CONTRACT. That's leverage.

The Packers hold all of the cards in this trade. DEN's biggest question is will Green Bay actually decide to pull the trigger on a trade, make him available, as they say?

DEN wants Aaron Rodgers in the worst way. Plug & play MVP QB who can finally help their team challenge KC and Patrick Mahomes, who they are 0-11 against.

I think the Packers will walk out of this happily, when all is said and done. DEN will prove to be a good trade partner. They have A LOT of great players, and A LOT of picks they will make available.

I'm still thinking this will end up a package deal with Billy Turner. Packers get Surtain II and Chubb plus a bunch of picks in exchange. Something reasonable. Then the nightmare is over.

Agree this won't be an asinine amount of picks, etc. in exchange for Aaron Rodgers alone. He will command at least 3 R1s, or 2 R1s plus a top player equivalent... within reason.

However, the potential exists that more players are added to this deal. DEN actually is a very good trading partner for the Packers right now. We have players they need. They have players we need. I would not be surprised if 3 Packers players are involved when all is said and done. This has the potential to be an epic trade.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 26, 2021 at 05:58 am

GG,
Interesting you think Billy Turner will be included in a packaged deal, or that Chubb and Surtain II will be included.

I do agree should there be a trade there is a high probability of multiple players being involved. I simply have no idea who they might be. What I do know is Denver needs to provide a combination of talented players (this year), along with future draft choices.

While the idea of getting Surtain II is very appealing we already have Stokes lessening the need for Surtain II. Could they be swapped? Maybe!

I do not see a reason for Dalton Risner on the offense line like some are mentioning. Pack have so many OL already.

Drew Lock, while I do like the idea of the Packers picking up Lock who is only 24 years old we now have Blake Bortles. We really do not need him. However, Denver will need unfortunately to unload either Bridgewater or Lock. Sadly, it is my belief the Packers end up with Bridgewater who I have never liked his game.

This leaves me with only four current players on the Denver roster that makes any sense to me for the Packers to take and at best they only end up with two of them.

1. Chubb who is coming off ankle surgery. He makes the most sense providing immediate DL help. Chubb would make the defense formidable.
2. Noah Fant is a very young 2nd year TE who is on his way to becoming an NFL star. Runs a 4.5 in the 40 yard. Tonyan's a FA next year and Sternberger has yet to show anything after 2 seasons. Noah would be a game changer on offense. Line him up inside and outside. Noah would fit perfectly within LF's offense trying to confuse defenses. Adding Fant with Tonyan and Amari inside would be fun to see. I see Fant having significantly more impact for Love, particularly in his first year or two than Cortland, or Jeudy.
3. Coutland Sutton would be a great addition as a young and talented WR. However, he is rehabbing from knee surgery after being injured in week 2 last year. I see Cortland less likely to be included because of his knee even though he will be ready to go in week 1.
4. Jeudy is a 2nd year WR and star in the making. He too would also be a great addition.

Subsequently, I see either Lock or Bridgewater (preferably Lock), Chubb, and either one of Fant (preferably), Jeudy, or Cortland coming to Green Bay along with 2 #1 first round draft choices. Yes, there likely is a Packer player going along in the trade and an exchange of lesser round picks. If we want to really go crazy I would very much enjoy seeing an aging Adam's being packaged in this trade along with Rodger's. In turn the Packers get either a young Jeudy, or Cortland along with a 2nd round pick, or instead of the 2nd rounder we get Hammler at WR. Now that would really make for a block buster trade. It would also further benefit both Love and the Packers for many years to come.

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greengold's picture

May 26, 2021 at 06:26 am

KnockTheSnotOutOfYou, Surtain ll was as big a guess as any.

What I find interesting are the number of players who should have been in OTAs but were not - as you pointed out, on both sides!

Who knows? No one, apparently. Looks like both sides are trying to figure it out as we speak.

I like Sutton a lot. Jeudy had a rough rookie year with Lock throwing to him on a bad offense. You bring up a good point on Fant, and Tonyan’s deal being up next year.

Read that Sutton is coming along well from his ACL surgery last year, and that Chubb’s recent ankle surgery was to remove bone spurs, and that it went really well.

I was thinking Turner would be someone Aaron would trust and DEN would know well, and want badly after losing their starting RT to freak injury.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:05 pm

I think that he is more impelled by his ire towards the F.O. - than his professed love for coaches, teammates and fans. Besides, his love of people (relationships) seems to have an expiration date.

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egbertsouse's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:02 am

Wow! I vote we put Love in the HOF right now! Let’s get a petition going!

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fastmoving's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:57 am

Hope thats the only time you vote for something........

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:23 am

I propose you for the SHE hall of fame. Only one full member, but you could make the pale imitation category.

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:49 am

The SHE HOF is located in Downer's Grove, IL.

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 01:24 pm

Thats Funny! Excellent observation.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:14 am

I am looking forward to Love and Bortles competing in TC. I want both to succeed and become good teammates to themselves and the men they play with.

This is a great opportunity for both.

I do not care about Aaron Rodgers right now. He is morphing into Jeff George. If he comes back he better be perfect. I have now seen how he demands perfection in others not named Aaron Rodgers. You better bring it, you arrogant millionaire.

Good luck, Jordan and Blake!

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Swisch's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:33 am

As to Jordan Love, it seems to me the key word is R-E-L-A-X.
If we start analyzing everything he does in the offseason and even the preseason, we'll drive the guy crazy. Give him an opportunity to grow and make mistakes and get some confidence and come into his own.
That being said, without Rodgers the Packers would have to decide if Love is the guy for this season, or if we need an intermediary guy. Either way, finding the right veteran QB is a big deal either as a starter or a backup.
In any case, if Rodgers is playing games with the Packers off the field, then I'd much rather take my chances with Love on the field.

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Swisch's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:49 am

P.S. Blake Bortles may just be that veteran QB.
I remember Doug Flutie, Rich Gannon, and Vinny Testaverde as three quarterbacks who took a good long while to become top quarterbacks in the NFL (with Testaverde perhaps being the best comparable).
With all that the Packers have going for them on offense as far as talent and coaching, I'm hopeful Bortles could Hackett -- and then some -- as a backup or even a starter.
Another good possibility to me would be Teddy Bridgewater, who could excel in Matt LaFleur's precision, ball-control offense that opens up occasional opportunities for big plays.

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:18 pm

" I'm hopeful Bortles could Hackett -- and then some -- as a backup or even a starter."

See what you did there... ;)

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CheesyTex's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:24 pm

Nice pun -- Hackett.

Actually Bortles did quite well with Hackett's coaching. It's not out of realistic possibility that he could resurrect his career under Hackett. He certainly has the physical tools, and if Ryan Tannehill could do it well...

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:31 pm

I think if he's got the pieces around him, a good OL, he could be a game manager in this offense and it would be productive...I'm not going to speculate on how productive. If that's the case, though, why not put Love in there and allow him to manage the offense. Keep it simple and limit mistakes.

I honestly don't see any vet QB they might be getting if ARod is dealt as being any substantially better than Bortles. Yes, even Teddy. I wouldn't waste my return compensation on a middling QB you don't plan to use any more than a season...and maybe not even that.

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CheesyTex's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:59 pm

Right on. I also hope Love is ready. But if he is not, it does feel good to have a veteran QB as a backup for the first time in years -- especially one that has familiarity with the coaching staff and is on a team-friendly deal.

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TXCHEESE's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:48 am

I haven't seen the interview from last night, but read bits and pieces. Pointing the finger at the FO is basically demanding a trade or a major shakeup in the management team. Can't believe MM or BG are going anywhere. Get what you can for the diva and get on down the road. I've never heard any of the coaching staff, nor the GM, nor the President make any disparaging remarks about him. It's like he's manufactured a bunch of this "disrespect" between his ears.

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:11 am

He could've drawn a hard line in the sand by hitting below the team management. Statements against the Packers' coaching staff or even players would make it very difficult to bring him back. It would also make it very difficult to trade him because he'd be openly advertising that he's a locker room problem.

This is ARod trying to justify a stance, trying to appear like he has a beef, but still keeping as many avenues open as possible. He's trying to get someone to give him a piece of cake so he can eat it, too.

It's pretty pathetic, actually.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:58 am

Agree, he effectively contradicted the content of his earlier drips, fixed the timescale and picked the easy target. In doing so he used a highly nebulous term “culture” but left little doubt it is all about more money and a guarantee he can effectively play as long as he chooses, regardless of performance, or at least get paid while his successor struggles with a cap strung roster while he gets paid.

Not as smart as he thinks (though previous PR efforts suggested that). It suggests to me that he has lost touch and is surrounded by the wrong people. While there is no doubt that he is currently the best QB on our roster in terms of playing ability, I am no longer certain he is going to be a team player or in the right place mentally.

Perhaps another team will make it worthwhile to trade him, but I’m losing confidence that they will. I think we may find ourselves playing with Rodgers being at home and paid this year. Another year older won’t help him either.

Sadly I see this as self destructive now as I think the Rodgers we hoped for this year had gone already. I’m hoping another GM/owner sees it differently, but I’d be surprised if many are impressed or willing to bring in his bill of goods at this point at a price we won’t choke on.

From a post football persona perspective, I think he is blind to the harm he is doing. I hope he’s happy with his entourage. Just a shame that he’s talked and leaked himself into this corner. As you say, it’s rather pathetic in a sad sense. A reminder to not idolize athletes or overestimate their wisdom.

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 11:01 am

Of course it is pathetic. He is NOT COMING BACK.

This narrative about this being about more money and a guarantee is all made up. Where is that coming from? There is nothing to confirm that that is what Aaron Rodgers wants or demands. I have yet to see any legitimate sourcing of that for it to even be considered "information." Certainly have heard that bandied around for months. Not saying you made this up either... just that I have yet to find any credible sourcing that this is in fact the case within the last two months.

I don't think for one second he wants any of that. All he wants is out of Green Bay. Pure and simple.

As for teams being interested, there is one team with the cap space, the need for an NFL MVP QB, and the gunslinger mentality to go for it and pull the trigger on an Aaron Rodgers trade: the Denver Broncos.

Do you think John Elway is afraid of Aaron Rodgers having a problem with upper management? I'm pretty sure I know your answer: Hell no.

I don't think there is any reason to worry. The Green Bay Packers are about to embark on a new era, and there is a lot to be excited about moving forward. This may not be going exactly as planned, but, the Green Bay Packers have all the necessary pieces in place to win now. With Matt LaFleur's guidance, a HC who is 26-6? A HC who has personally guided TWO QBs to MVP seasons? I'll take that scenario any day.

The tea leaves. They speak loudly.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 11:13 am

i could read comments from you four^^^^guys all day.

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 02:51 pm

Go back to Sb Nation.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 05:09 pm

Go back to alienation.

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:27 pm

"I think we may find ourselves playing with Rodgers being at home and paid this year. Another year older won’t help him either."

He would report week 12 to get this season to count on his contract and give himself as many suitors as possible. That's when it gets to be a shitty mess. Imagine a Packers team muddling along at 5-7, or 6-6 at week 12 with #10 as the starter, and #12 announces he's ready to report?

That's when the media shitstorm would really start.

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:37 pm

That's why I think the deal is already done in principle. The Packers are smart people, and they knew what a shit storm this could become.

It kind of all adds up, when you look at timelines, what's been said and done. Looking at both teams actions...

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 05:13 pm

Yes, I’m fully aware of that and referenced it in my remark about getting paid. This could get all kinds of ugly. The Packers might just send him home at that point too.

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PeteK's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:35 am

Ok, I can understand his disappointment with last year's, draft for the future ,philosophy. However, the offense performed very well, wasn't the main reason for the loss to Bucs, the FO has admitted some fault, and begged you to come back which shows that it respects the people that make up the team. It's been over a year, what more does he want, get over it move on! I guess he forgot that it also takes some team unity because he is putting his teammates in a very precarious situation because our best change for another SB is with AR under center.

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 11:13 am

You know what is funny, Pete? And, you just made me think of this with what you've said here, is that AR said, "this is not about them taking a QB..." (paraphrasing)... but, what exactly is "this?"

None of us knows. We are all left to guess. Some think "this" is his unhappiness with his contract, the terms, an extension, a say in personnel issues. Those ideas have all been bashed around.

I think "this" is about him wanting out of Green Bay, as I've stated numerous times in the last month. "This" is his wanting to be traded to the Denver Broncos.

What is making sense in all of "this" is that the deal was already made in principle prior to the draft. "This" is why DEN passed on taking Justin Fields at #9. "This" is why Aaron threw all of the spiteful messaging out on draft day. "This" is why Aaron Rodgers has spent the last month in damage control. PR. Legacy.

"This" is Aaron Rodgers' goodbye to Green Bay.

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jurp's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:55 pm

And Chubb is missing OTAs due to a minor ankle procedure (bone spur removal) and will be fine by training camp. Hmm. Easy to read too much into things, though.

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t-wrecks's picture

May 25, 2021 at 02:59 pm

"it's about the people"

Accept AR's actions clearly show that he doesn't give a crap about his teammates, his coaches, and the front office who have done their best to field a great team every year and in the future. If it was about the people then he'd be doing his best to have a positive influence on the organization. Right? Instead, he is forcing everyone in the organization to deal with the fallout from this drama, even if it's mostly media BS.

Doesn't make sense to me. And at this point, I don't really care. Tired of the only Packers news every other week being about a disgruntled millionaire QB.

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jurp's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:57 pm

I agree with you. It's about only one person, and his initials are A and R.

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BamaPackFan's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:08 am

This is not a question of Love for Rodgers. If reports are correct, it is a question of Rodgers or Love plus 3 1st round picks and at least 1 pro bowl level player. This equation is much different. If Love does not work out in 21 or 22, then we still have 2 1st round picks in 23 and 24. We should be able to parlay those plus maybe an additional 3rd into pick number 1 or 2 overall in the 23 or 24 draft. We can get a 2nd bite ate the magical QB apple. Meanwhile we have added - for example Bradley Chubb, plus a Devin White clone via the draft using draft capital to move up to get him - (Micah Parsons went 12th) , plus a Star position candidate or a monster on the D-line in the 1st. Given all that... I would trade Rodgers. If Love does turn into a very good QB, we have the draft capital to build a truly great defense and supplement the offense.

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nostradanus's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:14 am

From what I garnered From the interview:

**Rodgers loves being a Packer

**Rodgers loves the fans

**Rodgers loves his teammates

**Rodgers loves Love

**Rodgers loves MLF and coaching staff

I don’t believe Rodgers is being a sick, I believe he really cares about the organization and wants to help right the ship. But the issue is MARK MURPHY. Murphy is a business guy and because he played football he grabbed organizational power because he has an ego.

Rodgers believes the Packers corporation has lost touch with the players and that it is YES a business.

His point is the players are people playing a game and in order to be successful they have to believe that football is still a game. That they need to have the same hopes and dreams they had when they first started playing the game for fun as kids.

The problem is that they are making millions playing this game and the Packers corporation has a business to run also.

Solution: Management needs to clear the air in an address to all team players, stadium workers, office personnel, scouts, trainers and yes fans. They need to explain how they’ve lost their focus on what the Packers are all about and what they mean to the community.

Then Mark Murphy needs to step down and turn this over to a team President that will uphold that vision and standard moving forward.

Brian Gutekunst needs to be given full authority over football operations just as Ron Wolf had and the President can focus on corporate.

In short, the whole organization needs a REFOCUS and they need to do it publicly in a transparent manner, as embarrassing as it may be, it needs to happen or they will not only lose Rodgers but the whole team and that will take decades to crawl out of.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:06 am

You actually want one of the the best franchises in sports to, quoting William Wallace, "bend over and kiss their own arse"?

Do the "public shaming" in response to an arrogant arse who has no humility?

Do this to feed an ego filled with hubris and self adoration? Do it for a man who has deep flaws in maintaining relationships with "people" who should at least have a thimble full of respect from him?

I do not know your future vision except to know it is not happening.

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nostradanus's picture

May 25, 2021 at 11:33 am

LP, I was in the same boat as you with my thinking until I heard Rodgers speak and then I thought hmm maybe there is a deep rooted problem with the front office philosophy?

If so and the league MVP doesn’t want to play in GB, will others want to come to this little white community with nothing much to offer young black athletes except money?

This is a fragile franchise in today’s pro sports market, if it is mis-managed it could be a death Nell

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 11:53 am

How come Rodgers, who signed the largest K in NFL history in 2018, didn't have any problems with the FO then?

How come the other Aaron, named Jones, expressed his gratitude to the Packer organization, its fans and Green Bay?

Do not be manipulated by Rodgers antics. He simply wants to leverage his MVP award so he can drag his HUGE K into the big city lights of Denver or a WC city. His Boulder resident fiancé no doubt approves of the mendacious manipulation.

You do not mismanage a franchise while creating one of the largest cash reserves in all professional sports.

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PeteK's picture

May 25, 2021 at 02:04 pm

Maybe he's upset at the FO for not keeping Linsley. However, in order to sign him, they would have had to let Jones, King , Lowry , and Smith go. The last 3 players would have still counted too heavily on their cap. I'm just grasping at straws because I don't know what the FO is doing wrong.

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 03:01 pm

I don't see where his situation changes very much if he's traded. His deal will get re-worked, sure, but he has to realize that nobody is likely to give him a deal that's more than two-year or maybe three-year commitments at this point. Any deal he signs will have some bonus money and be mostly back-loaded so that teams can get out and aren't hand-cuffed to him when he hits the wall.

When the Packers deal him, he'll be right back in this place within 18 months: looking to be re-validated by more "commitment". He'll get dealt again in 2-3 years, after whatever window has been constructed for him closes and that team tries to recoup whatever value it can to make up for the capital they dealt to the Packers.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 05:15 pm

Which would surely impact both the willingness to buy and the price offered. Rodgers is talking himself into a corner.

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dobber's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:35 pm

I don't know...how often do we hear the "he'll be better in our environment," or "he had a bad relationship with X," or "we're committed to making this relationship work," or "player X will take him under his wing," or "he just needed a change of scenery" when a team acquires a talented guy viewed as a guy with a bad attitude in his previous situation? "We'll make sure it won't happen here..."

I think a lot of those GMs talk themselves into those things. Sometimes they're right.

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:52 pm

That shit happens all the time.

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:07 pm

The situation changes greatly for his future wife, and their quality of life together if they are starting a new family. Just sayin’... this has zero to do with contracts, and everything to do with being close to her home and family. Doesn’t that make some very simple sense, from his perspective? It all works great for Rodgers.

I’ll guarantee it.

So much so, I bet he starts following Brady’s lead and will start taking under market value deals in a contract extension with DEN.

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:45 pm

LambeauPlain, you have to admit that his (nostradanus) name contains the word for a r s e - hole.

Thus it makes sense for him to do some nether region kissing.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 25, 2021 at 02:33 pm

If this was a typical corporation, most employee – employer disputes would be taken to HR for resolution. With the Packers, if Rodgers had some legitimate issues, he could have gone to the Board of Directors – the governing body of the Green Bay Packers - to seek remediation. And given Rodgers stature within the organization, he would have certainly been given the time and opportunity to air his grievances before a large and diverse Board comprised entirely of community members. This is part of what Boards do – endeavor to implement internal solutions to internal problems. Change is best when it comes from within. Being that Rodgers did not choose this path – justifiably raises questions about his true motives and intent – which is the real “beautiful mystery” that Rodgers speaks of.

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Since'61's picture

May 25, 2021 at 05:17 pm

Excellent post Nostradanus. Football has become a sideshow under the current Murphy triumvirate. There is no sense of urgency to win and this was obvious as Murphy floundered around for 3 seasons building Titleland, before moving on TT and MM.

But a sold out stadium and other guaranteed revenue sources there is no accountability since there is no threat to their jobs except for MLF.

An owner would have chucked these choochs by now. An MVP/HOF QB but instead of an SB the Packers are in salary cap he’ll.
Rodgers has figured this out and he has called them on it. They’ve ignored it and now they are most likely to lose him with no return.
Thanks, Since ‘61

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 06:32 pm

Don’t worry, Since’61.
This deal is going through. Both sides held players out of OTAs today. They don’t want to take any chances with it being this close.

As for Murphy, I’ve felt much the same about him up until last year. While he stipulated keeping Pettine, which I hated, the LaFleur hiring was spectacular. Gives me a bit of pause with judging him too harshly.

Moving on TT & MM were challenging endeavors. Both helped win us a Super Bowl 11 years ago. Ted was failing from dementia. Not easy to readily recognize. McCarthy has a street named after him.

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Since'61's picture

May 26, 2021 at 10:09 am

I hope that we're getting Chubb and Fuller out of the players who missed the Broncos OTA. Plus 2 #1s and a 32 or #3 pick. I would not be surprised if we send Rodgers, Turner and Adams to Denver. Maybe we also get their OG Risner. It's going to be interesting. Thanks, Since '61

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:18 am

Tiresome of Rodgers is accurate! Listening to Rodgers talk about how it is about the people is nauseating!

Lots of great commentary above. Seems like the general consensus more and more at CHTV is that Aaron is a selfish and arrogant diva. There was always something about Rodgers personality that prevented me from buying his jersey. Fortunately!

It has been my belief all along that Rodgers and everyone inside the FO, and the coaches know exactly what they have in Jordan Love. They all know Love will become a top tier QB in this league. Love should get nearly every opportunity this spring and summer to develop and be ready for the regular season. For those that keep saying he isnt ready yet I completely disagree. By the time the season starts, and after the first four games of the year Love will make even the most ardent nay sayers excited to be on Loves band wagon.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 11:32 am

I am going to enjoy wearing #4 in Lambeau this season. The #12 jersey will have to hang in the closet.

Since Rodgers claimed last summer he had "reconsiled" the drafting of Love and had "put it behind him", what changed? Two big changes: his engagement and his MVP award.

Rodgers simply wants to leverage himself off the Pack now, after the MVP season, and drag his huge K to the big city lights in Denver. This would also appease his Boulder resident/West Coast actress socialist fiancé.

It is so very manipulative and mendacious.

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HarryHodag's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:22 am

What boils my onions about the criticism of Jordan Love is those fans haven't even given the guy a chance.

Why is the current problem with AR because of Jordan Love? The guy simply was drafted and showed up for work. He was among the top-rated QB's last year. So now he's a flop because Aaron Rodgers has his shorts in a twist?

I fear the 'fans' will make this into a Mitch Trubisky-style public stoning based on next to nothing other than he showed up for work.

Leave Love alone and let him grow without mindless criticism. Do you want him, and subsequently the Packers to fail just to prove you're right? That is like hitting yourself in the face to improve your looks.
Is that the mark of a real fan?

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PeteK's picture

May 25, 2021 at 02:21 pm

That's probably the most unfair part of this charade. The young man didn't do anything to deserve this. Now that I think about this again, it is the philosophy of drafting his replacement that bothers him because it's a repeat of Favre saga. I just don't understand being that upset because when he signed his contract, his age, and cap hit, he had to know this was coming probably in 2022 or 23. I feel bad for Love because he's not ready( needed at least one more season) and might be thrown into the fire too early which might damage his career.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:27 am

If Love tosses a ball into a net 40 yards away and then does some type of Championship move, like the Rodgers belt thing, the adoration for him will explode from the fans and the FO may opt to give Rodgers what he wants, a trade.
It doesn't really take much to sway the masses or the bosses sometimes.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:04 am

Love will have growing pains, let’s not forget that, but you are right that for many love is transitory, something I think Mr Rodgers would do well to remember.

If Love starts, I hope people will give him a chance to develop. It’s not a situation of his choosing and he is a young player whom we should all hope the best for, since he is our player at this point. Realistic expectations can only help that.

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TarynsEyes's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:32 am

If Love is the starter, I'll support him until I cannot as I cannot do blind love. I cannot tolerate 10 years of Division wins since we've already been doing that. Regretfully, and by no fault of his own, Love, his timetable for the success that is supposed to be that of GB's mantra, Titletown, will not be a long time unless it comes within 3-5 starting seasons since Gute is building his future at the expense of the present and the most recent past two seasons.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:43 am

We have the ability to judge Love on Love. To allow other factors to color that helps no one.’ Love is an unknown at this level. I have no idea, but demanding perfection from the outset won’t help us of him. I said the same of Rodgers.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 11:41 am

It is ironic, looking back 13 years ago, how history often repeats. Back then many fans were put off by Favre's antics and eager to give Rodgers a chance.

Now Rodgers antics are making Favre look good by comparison.

If Rodgers is worried about legacy...SMH.

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 11:51 am

I didn't think it was possible someone could out-drama Brett Favre, but there you go.

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PeteK's picture

May 25, 2021 at 02:37 pm

At least the antics kicked into full gear after Rodgers had time to develop. This is a very disappointing and surprising ending to a player and person that I greatly admired. Unless something changes my mind ,I am very feed up with all of this unnecessary drama. When June comes around I hope a trade will be in order. Love is a young, big, and mobile athlete. Let a new era begin!

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 05:21 pm

The utterly unnecessary nature of this is indeed the truly frustrating part of it. Rodgers is ushering in a new era before needed, to the detriment of Loves development, the team’s short term prospects and his own last shot at a Super Bowl, over what? Think on it, and not much that is truly significant.

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jurp's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:08 pm

Hmm. Harming Love's development, and thereby harming the long-term prospects of the team., which could then lead to the end of Gutekunst's and Murphy's tenures with the team (and MLF's, too, perhaps).

Coincidence, or mission accomplished?

This is a rabbit hole I think I'll back out of now.

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Leatherhead's picture

May 25, 2021 at 09:52 am

The first rule of business is that the boss is always right. If you’re an employee who can’t get behind that, leave.

The pressure is on the organization to win games, win the division, make the playoffs. The same as always.

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 01:28 pm

No your wrong. And thats why there are unions.

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PeteK's picture

May 25, 2021 at 02:43 pm

The best organizations have a fair balance. That's why Communism doesn't work, contrary to its misnomer, too much power invites human abuses.

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 05:22 pm

All people are equal, but some are more equal than others.

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jurp's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:10 pm

It's a man vs. man world in a capitalist society, and the reverse in a Communist one.

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:18 am

What I am excited to see is Matt LaFleur, and his vision realized for the Packers offense as run by his hand picked QB, Jordan Love.

Forget about Aaron Rodgers. He is no longer a Green Bay Packer. He is an opponent now. My guess is that that will be made official in about a week. Thanks for the memories. We won't forget the good times, nor the bad ones, especially this snide bullshit drama we've been subjected to for the last month by our former QB. Should we meet again on the playing field, Aaron Rodgers, be ready for the spanking you so deserve.

The page is turning as we speak. A new chapter of GREATNESS is embarking now in Green Bay, where our players are actively working in OTAs to make this 2021 season the best it can be.

Jordan Love is his own man. He doesn't need to do anything other than play his best football for the Packers. Some days, his best will be better than others, just like all of us.

I give him my full support, and wish Jordan Love every success for a long, storied, and fulfilling career with the Green Bay Packers. Go get 'em, Jordan!

Go Pack Go!!!

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Swisch's picture

May 25, 2021 at 10:37 am

It would be interesting to do a comparison with the career of Steve Young -- another super-athletic quarterback, and one who took a good while to find his high place in the NFL.
With better circumstances, we can hope Jordan Love will progress much faster than did Young; but in the long run it would be hard to expect Love to be much better than was Young in becoming a Super Bowl champion and hall-of-famer.
Oh, and Young replaced Joe Montana. It would be interesting to learn more about how those two handled that situation.
Whatever would come of comparing Love to Young, my hunch is that one big lesson would be patience with a young quarterback who shows not only some skills, but also determination and coachability.
If Love has these qualities, I'm ready to go with him during the inevitable ups and downs of gaining experience. I think Coach LaFleur, and the offensive talent on the team, will help him to progress nicely. I wouldn't rule out a team record of 10-6 this season.
Even if there are some hard times at first, let's do what we can as supportive fans to help the story of forever Young to be followed by a true tale of endless Love.

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:33 pm

SF is the closest team to GB in terms of transitioning HOF QBs in succession.

Montana won Super Bowls in 1981, 1984, 1988 and 1989.

Steve Young was a #11 overall draft pick by the LA Express in the USFL Draft in 1984. Young bought his contract out with the LA Express in 1985 and was drafted by Tampa Bay in the supplemental draft. Timelines are a little funky, but he made his way via trade by TB, where he was considered a bust, to SF in 1987.

Montana was injured in the NFCC game with NYG in 1990. They were looking to be the first team to 3-peat. Instead, Jeff Hoestetler would win that year's Super Bowl.

Montana injured his elbow in Spring of 1991 and missed both the 1991 and 1992 seasons with that injury. Young fared well in his absence. A rift in the locker room developed, and Montana asked to be traded in 1993. He played for the Chiefs for two years.

Young won the MVP in 1992 with SF. In 1995, he eventually won that elusive Super Bowl as a starting QB, while having won rings as a backup QB in '88 and '89.

This scenario with Jordan Love will be very different. He will literally be making his own way, with the guidance of Matt LaFleur.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:02 pm

Love, Bortles, and Benkert will have 3 good QB whisperers in Coach Matt, Hackett and Getsy.

They will have, by all forecasts, a very fine OL, excellent RBs, and receivers. We have to hope the STs and D shows good improvement. All of this could greatly mitigate the loss of an MVP QB.

I would like to see Rodgers as the Packer starter in 2021. But he doesn't want the ball. Move on.

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PatrickGB's picture

May 25, 2021 at 11:10 am

I am getting really really close to just give up on Rodgers. Yah, the FO could have done better but Rodgers reaction is childish. Let’s see what the new kid can do. It will be nice to get out of cap hell anyway.

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Archie's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:01 pm

Rodgers was full of smiles last night on SC. That tells me a deal is already in the works and that Rodgers has full knowledge of it and is quite happy with it. That lines up with reports from a week ago that he was playing golf and poker with new best friend, John Elway. And his gf lives 30 minutes from the Broncos' home field. Let's hope the Packers got full price for AR. If so, then I am 100% good with it. Whether Love spends another season in apprenticeship while Bortles or someone else is the starter or he learns on the job, I'm ok either way and trust MLF to make the right decision.

I have been saying from the outset, the Packers' FO put a knife in AR's back (at least in AR's eyes) when they drafted a QB to eventually replace Rodgers w/o telling AR what they had in mind and giving him long term security while Love developed. Rodgers has returned the favor. Once that happened, I can not see how anyone expected this to work itself out so that Rodgers was once again happy playing in GB. That was the easy part. Finding a good trading partner would be the hard part. I just hope MM doesn't screw things up by having a change of heart at the minute and refusing to trade him. Then Rodgers retires and everybody loses.

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 02:35 pm

Well done, Archie!!! Well done, Sir.

I agree with you 100%, with exception to the knife in the back thing. I'm pretty sure that Jordan Love pick was a blow to his ego. It was marker that his time in Green Bay was coming to an end. He saw it coming, and the Packers did nothing behind his back.

We don't know the workings. What we do know is that Year 1 under Matt LaFleur was anything but a bunch of roses. He was tempestuous, and had to have been a challenge to coach. It was a new experience for both Rodgers and LaFleur. Sometimes that stuff goes smoothly, somewhere, in a perfect world...

I really don't see this situation as being all that difficult to reconcile in one's own mind. I'm talking about us fans. There is a period of great play from franchise QBs, then there is a point where difficult decisions must be made.

I think the Packers made their difficult decision, and here we are with the expected response from the incumbent franchise MVP QB. Regardless, the team chose a new franchise QB, one they believe in, and that appears to have forced a change in their succession timetable. That's all, really. I think they wanted Aaron Rodgers to be a successful part of the transition. He doesn't want that now, and clearly is all-in on playing in DEN instead.

Fine. We carry on. I suspect that one day all of us fans will be appreciating their boldness in that hour last year, and in the hours now to come in closing out this trade. I'm confident in that. It sure sounds like it is on, and it ought to be a good trade when completed, for both sides.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 25, 2021 at 03:25 pm

Archie,
It is football and a young man's game. It is a game or replacement. There are also many different ways to motivate a player. I just do not see or will accept anything regarding the Packers did something out of line, or wrong to Rodger's by drafting a QB. Particularly that the Packers stuck a knife in Rodger's back. Baloney!

Rodger's WAS the Packers QB and he did a great job for quite a few years. He wasn't and isn't the FO, or the General Manager of the football team. His job is to play the QB position the best he can and to help the team win football games. Period!

Once teams start asking permission if it is okay for them to draft or pick-up X-player in FA you have the NBA. There is NO doubt the Packers have accommodated Rodger's mightily over the years, but they simply do not and should not bow to him and his approval of running the organization. Rodger's ego has gotten to the point where he believes he can dictate how the Packers run their organization. Rodger's is going to do everything behind the scenes he can to force a trade, but he doesn't want to do anything more than he has from a public view, otherwise he will piss off the fan base because at the end of the day he wants to be able to come back to the team and be in the Packer HOF, and he would love to see his name hanging in the stadium.

There is a part of me that says trade him to a crappy team where he fails for quite a few years. There is another part of me that says force him to sit out and not play for anyone because Rodger's is and always has been about himself and his stats. Sitting would really hurt him far deeper than any of us really know. If Rodger's sits out as someone above indicated and came back at week #12 for his salary I'd say I'd sit his ass and continue on without him. Having said all this I'd rather just trade him to the team who is going to give the Packers the best talent back in return. We were able to enjoy Rodger's brilliance for years but it is time to move on. Surround the team and Love with the best talent we can get. I believe if we do that most all of us here at CHTV will be very pleased with the success the team is going to have for a number of years. Gutey has been building a very solid team and with the spoils of the Rodger's trade I have confidence we may have the strongest team we have had in the past decade whether it is this season, or next season. The Packers either way are on the rise!

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PewAuKeeFan's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:41 pm

For those bashing stockholder, please reconsider. He has always been a debbie downer, and knows no other way. We have to feel sorry for him and be concerned about the huge negative impact to his health.

stockholder: I for one believe nothing is impossible. This is as close to impossible as it gets, however I believe that it is possible for you to be happy. All the best!

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Alberta_Packer's picture

May 25, 2021 at 01:32 pm

I rarely reply to stockholder because of his usual antithetical comments. However, he may do so because he believes that any reply/attention - even negative - is better than none at all (which also may have been his credo in High School).

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 01:40 pm

I never thought I would see such bashing of Rodgers either. You can't correct people who have made up their minds. For that reason; I believe the best thing for Rodgers, is to retire. But the haters are going to hate regardless of his decision. : )

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Coldworld's picture

May 25, 2021 at 05:27 pm

I can hate a person’s current course of action without decrying his record. Rodgers was always a difficult person and has his good and bad qualities. At the moment I think he has lost his grounding. I think we will regret that, I hope he doesn’t. It is what it is, he is an athlete not a hero. We are all flawed.

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ImaPayne's picture

May 25, 2021 at 12:49 pm

The real pressure is, can this guy read a d and avoid the big mistakes. Its that mental part of the game we know nothing about. The pack had that other tall QB who was a disaster they finally had to get rid of and no one has heard from him since.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 25, 2021 at 03:06 pm

Ernesto,
Of course until Love gets game experience we cannot 100% know. What I do know is if the Packers give him enough time to read the field, and the receivers can get separation Love is going to thrive. That is a fact! There isn't any doubt whatsoever!

Gutey has what sure seems like one hell of a lot of OL talent and potential at most every position. The Packers likely have the best 1-2 punch in the game at RB. They finally have an exceptional talent at the slot WR position. Tonyan last year put it all together at TE and tied one of my all-time favorite TE's record for GB in Paul Coffman with 11 touchdowns. The Packer WR's are far more talented than most give them credit for. With Funchess coming and Lazard, MVS, and ESB entering their 3rd and 4th seasons there is lots of upside with continued growth. Now add whatever the Packers get in return for Rodger's such as a top flight WR, and/or OL and you can just see Love is likely to grow into the QB position and have a tremendous amount of success. Add to that LF will be having Love run his offense the way he wants and this offense with Love at the helm (should this occur) and the Packers are going to be on fire!

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frankthefork's picture

May 25, 2021 at 01:04 pm

Filling the stands with happy fans willing to spend big bucks, making a good profit on that, and team continuity is the business of football. It's work, and it, at times, isn't pretty and fun as some think. Losing sucks. Winning is hard work. It's a game being played for fun by highly paid athletes and heros for all our entertainment. And the Packers are back to winning consistently. The FO is doing their job just fine thank you.

Being a Pro paid athlete is not all fun and glory when the coaches are riding a player or telling someone how to live one's life, behave and make sacrifices; because we know as fans, we are always judging and giving it to the FO and players alike. If a player wants respect it's earned and given! Fans are grateful when wining and sour losing-not rocket science here.

Mr MVP just did a no no and publicly bashed his bosses, employer, and coaches while still employed. You do that mano-a-mano...man up AR. Do your job.
AR12, your time is coming to an end in GB be it a trade like Favre or 3 more years of you and Jeopardy watch. As fans we have the right to bash you and criticise the FO...not you. I prefer the trade... can't take 3 more years of this diva attitude.
I compare behavior like this to a player named Bennett; not a team player, a cancer, just out for money.

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LambeauPlain's picture

May 25, 2021 at 01:43 pm

Jeopardy! is in jeopardy, Mr. Rodgers. You may have stumbled your way out of that neighborhood too.

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Johnblood27's picture

May 25, 2021 at 02:18 pm

Rodgers is a compulsive liar that hides his lies in snide no-comment type answers.

He said he loves the Packers coaching staff, however he obviously grated on MLF their first year together by trying to take control of the offense by changing plays often enough to influence the overall offensive philosophy to a more pass oriented scheme than MLF wanted and grudgingly went along with the system in year two - so long as it was working - and it did, much to AR's dismay IMO.

Rodgers reaction to the Jeopardy contestant who poked him about the 4th down call says it all in respect to his respect for MLF, he said "It wasn't MY call"... He obviously views MLF as an underling and as most arrogant jerks do, he disrespects those above him in the hierarchy of the organization he works in because he truly believes that he could do a better job than them if given the opportunity.

When AR was tanking 2 seasons to get MM run out of town I had had enough of him. I respect what he has done for the GBP on the field and some of his off-field actions have reflected well on the Packers as well, but I just cannot help myself in not liking him. I haven't for years and now as his personality becomes a little more public and unequivocal I am ready to move on without him.

I cannot blame Gutey one bit for taking a QB when he did given the past 4+ years of AR's shenanigans with MM and then MLF. MVP season or not, it is time to just move on from AR as the QB in GB. I would go so far as to simply sit him for the next year and eat his salary while placing him on detrimental to the team paid leave. Thats BG's spiteful-most avenue in response to all of AR's BS. GB has to eat his salary anyway, why not make it hurt AR along the way? That is scenario #2 to me with #1 being an advantageous trade after June 1 when the cap hit is somewhat lessened.

Buh Bye AR

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greengold's picture

May 25, 2021 at 03:02 pm

Johnnyblood, YOU DID IT! YOU WENT THERE!!!

Myself, I'd been holding back from going to that whole Jeopardy charade this entire time. Yeah, that was some passive aggressive BS right there. It was also a clear indication, after a full year working together, that there were still issues present.

When you think about it, that was a GIANT stage, and an even bigger dig at his HC.

Kind of made me think twice about the Jordan Love pick last year. Contrary to what ESPN talking heads would make you believe, THIS WAS NO MISTAKE. The Packers Front Office very pointedly chose their QB to run Matt LaFleur's system. It just so happens, IMO, that Love's dropping 20 draft positions from the #6 to the #26 was kismet for the Packers, and maybe for Jordan Love too.

I'm not going to bash Rodgers more than you've already done, but, I do think the Packers knew what they wanted, and they were very, very fortunate Jordan Love made his way to them. I mean, the Packers had interviewed him multiple times prior to the draft. LaFleur and other coaches.

DEN passing on a QB at #9 and taking Patrick Surtain for us tells you all you need to know that this deal is done. We are going to have one HELL of a DEFENSE!

SUPER BOWL, BABY!!! Go Pack Go!!!!

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 25, 2021 at 03:21 pm

The train is gathering steam baby......so hold on because it is going to be one hell of a ride!!!

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packer132's picture

May 25, 2021 at 05:18 pm

Greengold; I really like your well thought posts as well as many others on this site (Lambeauplain, AlbertaPacker, knockthesnot, Harryhodag, Guam, The greatrenaldo). Stockeholder is not a Packer fan and criticizes every move, draft pick, etc, but you always have one person who knows nothing about what he is talking about. I am very excited for this season with the new draft class, Jordan Love, and other players that want to win for Green Bay. I did like Rodgers for years, and appreciate all that he has done for the team. He obviously has gotten "too big for his britches" and its time to move on from him. He could have a couple of good seasons left but his black cloud can't bring down teammates. I hope its a trade to Denver and Pack gets Jeudy and Chubb or a couple of starters. I wouldn't mind playing his game and making him sit and sulk but I want the Packers to win games.
GPG

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stockholder's picture

May 25, 2021 at 05:59 pm

No- I'm not a Gute fan. You don't want the chain broken people are putting around Rodgers foot. But before that ball goes on; " that says loser." You need to remember this. One of Vince Lombardi's most famous quotes is, “show me a good loser and I will show you a loser.” Gute and Murphy made that ball. It's time you realize that winning; should have been the only thing on their mind. It wasn't. Break the chain!

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packer132's picture

May 25, 2021 at 08:41 pm

You are not a Gute fan and a Gute hater. He is not leaving the team, so get used to him being the general manager. He and LaFleur have brought the team to two straight 13-3 seasons and a trips to the NFC championship. How can you say that he does not want to win? Thompson had the team in decline and Gute has built up the defense. Can you at least wait until mid season to criticize the draft picks and other players? OTA's just started and minicamp starts at the end of July. Then there are preseason games. I hope Jordan Love gets the same 3 year grace period that Rodgers had when he started in the NFL.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

May 25, 2021 at 04:07 pm

I will admit that I am excited to see Jordan Love in action. I've been a Packer fan before they drafted Bart Starr and I suffered through the dark years after Bart retired and we went through quarterback after quarterback and the losing seasons in the 1970's and 1980's were tough to bear. For the last quarter of a century we have had hall of fame quarterbacks behind center and many of you have known nothing but winning. Believe me having a hall of famer leading your team is a GODSEND! I sure hope we strike gold with Jordan and I know the odds of doing so are against us, but I just sense he is something special and I hope to see it. Aaron Rodgers is a generational talent, but I am disappointed in what is transpiring. If he fails to play for the Packers, we can hope that my inner feelings about Jordan Love come to fruition.

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davekenya's picture

May 25, 2021 at 05:03 pm

Something that will be difficult for all Packer fans in particular (as well as others around the league)...is to not compare Love's development and performance to that of Rodgers. By doing this, we are setting an unrealistic comparison...for ANY quarterback to match. AR is a generational talent.

To be most fair, I think Love should instead be compared to the 'average' of what you'd get of you smushed all NFL starting QBs together...and then go from there. Comment on his development or lack thereof from that kind of benchmark or standard.

Yes, we all WANT him to play at Rodgers' current extremely high level (a level BTW VERY FEW current NFL starting QBs can achieve or aspire to)...but while desired, I don't think that's a fair or realistic standard to place on any QB taking over for a future HOF'er.

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Grimbo's picture

May 26, 2021 at 01:22 am

We are tired of your selfish attitude Aaron. Your scowling when someone is not perfect like you. Goodbye. Bring on the future! Go Pack Go!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

May 26, 2021 at 07:31 am

It looks like a lot of people have an emotional investment in this situation. Very personal. Fair enough, I suppose. I think it got very personal between AR and the FO. What's good for the goose....

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CoachDino's picture

May 27, 2021 at 12:01 am

all ar is saying is i want more money and guar years than my contract affords give me it ,trade me to who will or i may not come back since you are in control i will throw a fit in public until i get my way or it hurts people that matter,,,,me

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

May 27, 2021 at 06:52 am

There really isn't much pressure on Jordan Love. He is coming to a team in the Packers loaded with talent all around him with a great coaching staff unlike his Senior season at Utah.

People like Chris Simms and Todd McShay were actively reporting last year 'Jordan Love is the outlier, the QB with the most upside to any in the 2020 NFL draft. Being the QB most likely to be Mahomes like'. With that being said, I am not sure I have seen this but what if.......

Anyone who has been an ex-athlete know within minutes of playing with or against another player if they were talented. Period! Doesn't take a year to figure out if the talent is there. Simply minutes of being with a talented player. Rodger's who practiced every day last year with Jordan Love saw A LOT OF TALENT! Rodger's more than anyone would recognize talent even if it is raw and inexperienced. Rodger's has a massive ego as we all know and might it just be possible with the MVP season aside Rodger's knows with Love entering year 2, having a full camp and lots of snaps in pre-season that there just might be significantly more competition in 2021 than anyone else might anticipate? Think about the female WI Olympic runner (Favor Hamilton) some years ago who couldn't keep up in the race and intentionally fell prior to the finish line because she knew she wouldn't win, so she faked an injury. Crazy? Maybe but I do believe Love is going to surprise many of us fans in just how talented he is. Rodgers trying to get out of GB pushing false narratives just might have something to do with where Love is in his development. I'm specifically talking about pure raw talent. Rodgers would still have the field general advantage going into 2021 season with 16+ seasons in the league and having seen every defense possible. What if....Love was to light up camp this summer and have a great pre-season even if Rodgers were to come back? This would justify Gutey's selection of Love and the QB controversy would be gale like winds in GB and out in the public. Remember.....massive massive ego and with Rodger's disdain and hatred towards Gutey it would be unbearable to Rodger's!

Far fetched? Possibly! Out of the realm of possibility absolutely not! I believe there is at least a kernal of truth to the above. It is a young man's game! I also believe LF's offense and the talent around Rodger's significantly helped Rodger's have the MVP season. I believe Love at this point in Rodger's career has more physical talent than Rodger's. Not much question about that! The only difference separating the two of them right now is Rodger's experience and being as cerebral as he is. Each and every rep Love takes that difference or separation of talent dissipates and Rodger's knows it. Time waits for no man!

June 1st cannot come soon enough! Make the damn trade Gutey and fleece Denver or whoever is on the other end of the trade. Go Love and the Green Bay Packers!

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