Cory's Corner: Perfection is faulting Aaron Rodgers

In order for the Packers to be successful, Aaron Rodgers must be great.

Whether that’s fair or not, that’s the way it is and Rodgers has been anything but great dating back to Week 8 of last year. Rodgers now has 14 straight games with a quarterback rating under 100 after looking pedestrian with a 70.7 rating in a 17-14 loss to the Vikings on Sunday night.

This is a big deal because Rodgers is the career leader in passer rating. He’s ahead of guys like Steve Young, Peyton Manning and Joe Montana. The bloated expectations have been built by his stellar play.

But now Rodgers’ surgeon-like precision has been replaced by tentativeness, hesitation and confusion. Rodgers used to carve up opposing defenses that blitzed him, but against Mike Zimmer’s hair-on-fire defense he was just 5-for-15 for 66 yards with an interception and two sacks. Those are numbers usually reserved for guys like Brian Hoyer, not the three-time All-Pro and two-time MVP.

And even more curious are Rodgers’ mechanics. Throughout the sub-100 streak, he has continued to throw off his back foot, declines to take the open, shallow read over a covered deep one and he scoots out of the pocket well before he should.

Even when Rodgers does throw it down the field, he cannot complete it. He airmailed Jordy Nelson most of the night and misfired with Davante Adams as well. Rodgers was 3-for-11 with one interception on throws of 10 yards or more. You can say all you want about how the receivers aren’t getting open, but there were numerous throws that weren’t even close.

The reason that coach Mike McCarthy is able to put up with this passing brownout is because Rodgers, even at age 32, can still pull a bunny out of his hat. He proved that in Week 1 at Jacksonville when he somehow completed a stunning 29-yard touchdown to Davante Adams while being pulled to the ground.

But there are two questions to be gleaned from this. First of all, how long is McCarthy going to put up with this? He will probably snack on a bucket of shredded glass when he breaks down this game tape while he watches his Rodgers, whom many feel is the top quarterback in the NFL, be reduced to a backup skill level.

And secondly, has Rodgers gone rogue? When McCarthy gets the plays in, does Rodgers not even care anymore and does he immediately change the play? (If that’s true, why hasn’t Rodgers changed the dreadful Eddie Lacy toss play that has yet to work)?

It’s only Week 2 but because this is a consistent problem, this has postseason implications. Rodgers hasn’t thrown for 300 yards in 11 straight games. In 2009, he went four straight without 300 and in the Super Bowl-winning season of 2010, he went three straight.

The postgame pressers have been the same since last year when Nelson was absent. Rodgers and McCarthy keep preaching about rhythm and timing, but with the lack of preseason snaps how are these guys supposed to get rhythm and timing? Rodgers locks on to one receiver with the matchup that he loves — and on Sunday night it was Trae Waynes. He tried multiple times to shoehorn it into whoever Waynes was guarding and sometimes it worked, but he still did it at the expense of passing up a higher percentage play.

So this is another lesson in how you massage your superstars. McCarthy must take a history lesson from former Packers coach Mike Sherman — who gave Brett Favre the keys to the kingdom. It’s time for McCarthy to rein Rodgers in and get this offense back on track.

This team was built to beat teams offensively. A winning score of 31-21 is the design. Rodgers, Nelson, Randall Cobb and Jared Cook account for 25.57 percent of the Packers’ salary cap. It’s hard to win games that way when the quarterback is playing like an undrafted free agent.

It can be changed, but Rodgers has to realize that every one of his throws doesn’t have to be “the throw.” 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Donster's picture

September 20, 2016 at 06:42 am

Hello all. New member here and first time posting a comment.

I believe that Rodgers has grown very frustrated with many things with the team, from management on down to players. He has taken a beating for a number of years. He hasn't received the players he needs to be successful. The offense has grown stale. I think he has grown tired of TT's "draft and develop" strategy for the future. He knows that his own future may be paved with the same issues for years to come. I feel he is pissed about the Sitton fiasco. I think he is tired of feeling he has to be "the guy" that makes the team a success, not everyone else contributing at a high level, which most on offense are not. It wouldn't surprise me that he has thought about "the hell with it, I've had enough of this crap". He does have a life outside of football, he has made his fortune. The coaching staff isn't what it used to be. Opposing teams seem to know what the Packers offense and defense are going to do. They no longer fear the Pack. There is no creativeness on offense anymore. We still have a RB that is overweight IMHO. What does it say about the team when your small wide receiver Cobb is your best running back? Over inflated egos are part of the problem with the team. TT, MM and I believe Rodgers too. MM won't pull a receiver that drops three catches and try someone else. Drafting and or signing un-drafted free agents because they may be the best athlete available doesn't cut it. Draft and develop, turning a DE into a LB as a rookie, turning a former basketball player with little college football experience and teaching him to be a DB in the NFL, as a project, is a waste of a roster spot. Their needs to be a philosophy change in Green Bay. It doesn't have to be removing the staff, or GM. But their egos are preventing them from changing their ways. It wouldn't surprise be a bit that Rodgers demands a trade one day, or just doesn't sign a new contract, or just decides to hang up the cleats. Thanks for the opportunity to voice my opinions.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 06:47 am

Well, I think you are not right, but who knows. My suggestion is to try to trade with Browns to get their first picks next year, 2018 and 2019 for Aaron and play Brett Hundley. That will be very clever move...

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zerotolerance's picture

September 20, 2016 at 07:57 am

Welcome Don. Good analysis. I tend to agree. Thanks.

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SpudRapids's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:12 am

What would possibly give you confidence to come up with these opinions? This is nothing but speculation. We have no idea what is going on and cannot make any accurate assertions based on our very limited scope we see as fans.

Here is what I see... Rodgerss isn't playing to the elite level we've seen before, quite possibly playing some of his worst football since becoming a starter. Now the reason for that could be a multitude of things between the offense and Rodgers' personal issues. All I know is in the past he has silenced critics before, has he lost him mojo for good? I don't think so but I'd rather sit back and comment about things I have more insight into than pure speculation about drama.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:37 am

Hi Spud. Just remember, this is the comments section of a fan blog. Almost nothing you read here is more than opinion. Some opinions are more grounded than others, but most are speculation and assessments based on limited scopes.

That's why it's fun. To guess and predict and argue and to talk smack. Some turn out right, some wrong, and commenters routinely either brag or get called out in those situations.

I don't need confidence to come up with an opinion. I just let it fly. Like this one: Pack 42, Lions 13. QB1 rating 105. Lacy, 97 yards.

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PortlandMark's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:37 am

Yes, what ever we think it is nothing more than speculation. However, if he plays to whole season as an average NFL quarterback then I don't see how the Packers can justify his $20 million salary. It seems to me that Brady took a pay cut so that the team could get better. If the OL is a problem, perhaps Rodgers should've offered a pay cut so that they could keep Sitton and extend the other guys or go out an sign a FA lineman who could help keep him upright.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:21 am

Cory, nice point of view. I agree. But, what amaze me is that Aaron, by trying to fool defense and get "free play" he kills the possibility to get free play. How? He use play clock almost always down to 1 - 2 second. Opponent D does not show their real position up to 5 second before snap and Aaron does not have any time for corrections. That is not miscomunication, that is stupidity. Look at this last game. He finally got Vikings D into offside, T. J. and Tretter moved. Tretter get heat from Aaron because of that. I think you can count 2 or 3 snaps with more than 3 seconds left on play clock.
Aaron Rodgers starts to fear of interception to the level of obssesion... That is why he is hesitant. And there is no truth in claiming how Packers WR are not open. They are - a lot!

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:41 am

Croat, I like your take on the snap timing from the last few threads. Interesting thought, and so easily fixable if true. A few quick snaps would catch the D by surprise. In general, whenever you are predictable, change it up.

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Christopher Gennaro's picture

September 20, 2016 at 04:10 pm

been screaming for that since last year, just get to line and hut the damn ball. look the free played worked up until last year, and then DC what film and discovered, the man never huts the play until 1 sec left. just wait out rodgers have one guy watch the clock. when you do that goes who lose the o-line men, they dont get the jump on the defense, and if anything the d-line just pins their ears back. people have been screaming for the slant, and for the slant to work you need surprise. taking the clock down to zero, takes all the surprise out of the play book.

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Hematite's picture

September 20, 2016 at 06:50 am

McCarthy is supposed to be the "quarterback guru".
It's up to him to fix the QB mess that Aaron Rodgers has become.
I think there is a wedge between the QB and the coach and the coach is at a loss as to what to do about it.
Just close your eyes Mike and maybe it will all go away.

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Christopher Gennaro's picture

September 20, 2016 at 04:12 pm

hard to be qb guru if the student doesnt listen. writing that made me throw up a little in my mouth.

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Hematite's picture

September 20, 2016 at 06:35 pm

Then you are not much of a guru if you can't get the student to listen.
I never thought McCarthy was much of a "guru".
I'm thinking he has become more of a liability.

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Razer's picture

September 20, 2016 at 07:03 am

'perfect' is enemy of the 'good'.

Heck, I'd even settle for good enough at this point.

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Horse's picture

September 20, 2016 at 07:18 am

Cory's right.

McCarthy's biggest flaw is that proving his game plan is right is his top priority. Then he can blame its failures on execution.

Telling AR to execute the game plan better is not working. Worse, maybe AR is executing MM's game plan. The AR/MM mix looks poisoned right now.

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Ibleedgreenmore's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:00 am

That goes for Aaron also, its home run or not doing any other play. If he could hit his receivers and stop dancing back there sure would help.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

September 20, 2016 at 07:28 am

"Rodgers was 3-for-11 with one interception on throws of 10 yards or more."

I'm glad all of his TV Commercial clients are getting their moneys worth because the Packers sure aren't. The worst thing about it is that TT busted his ass to get a team behind him and when it looks like they are ready Rodgers is the one that's loafing.

I've lost a lot of respect for the man. He's stealing money right now.

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NickPerry's picture

September 20, 2016 at 07:33 am

I think Rodgers has become unteachable. All these issues and problems with the offense and Rodgers date back to last season as we've all pointed out. You can't tell me the Coaching Staff and Rodgers haven't sat and broke down film and watched all the many flaws that have become part of Rodgers game.

This Coaching staff should have been blown up after the NFC Championship Game in Seattle and most certainly after last season. Instead they choose to blame ALL the problems on the loss of a single player. Now think about that, ONE Player, one of 53. All summer we hear about Abby and I've saw him less than a handful for times. What about Montgomery and what he STARTED to bring last year? Why has that been forgotten? Meanwhile McCarthy has done nothing different offensively and teams are 2 plays ahead of the Packers every series. They know when the toss pitch is coming, the back shoulder fade, the one yard pass to Cobb. Rodgers has used the field from the hash marks to the sidelines ignoring that big green patch right in the middle for the most part. Funny thing is when he's forced to throw in the middle their normally successful.

The Packers are at home for the next 5 weeks, all the way until October 30th when they go to Atlanta. I suggest they all lock themselves up in the offices at 1265 Lombardi and not come out until they work this out. My hope is McCarthy begins to use all his players, the players all know MM is in charge, and Rodgers can start to play like the best QB in the NFL (I'd settle for top 5 right now) or send a message and sit his ass if he doesn't comply, but something has to change.

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Bearmeat's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:08 am

Agreed completely NP.

After the debacle last year, people should have been fired. But patience is Murphy's and Thompson's way - to a fault.

The only thing I can say to make it somewhat tolerable is that if the team doesn't make the playoffs this year, then the entire staff WILL be fired. And if things continue down the trend for the last year, maybe ARod will be asking to be traded too. Unthinkable a year ago. Not so much now.

The next 5 games should tell us a lot. They need to go 5-0 and they SHOULD go 5-0.

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Bearmeat's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:09 am

PS: Great article Corey. Keep it up.

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NickPerry's picture

September 20, 2016 at 04:37 pm

Agreed Bearmeat, the next 5 games will tell us a lot and they really should and need to do it. The players, staff, everybody is telling the fans to relax, we just need to work a few things out, get our timing down and we'll be fine. Tausher on Wilde and Taush thinks Rodgers will be fine and several of the reporters are suggesting the Packers will be fine. I find it absolutely amazing how everyone thinks it will be fine when the last 14 games have been so far from fine it's crazy.

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Ibleedgreenmore's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:35 am

It seems Rodgers is in charge, its his way or the highway. How many times has he had receivers wide open and thrown to a guy that is covered. They better get on the right page before this season is lost.

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kubyskins2132's picture

September 21, 2016 at 07:03 am

I agree. Rodgers is playing like A undrafted QB. He locks on one receiver, skittish and bails out of pocket way to early and throws off his back foot every throw. He needs to take what the d gives him and start playing within the offense. If he doesn't big mike needs to bench his ass and put hundley in and maybe big mike can start being more creative with the offense and stop this no huddle that we run down to 1 sec on play clock and use same personnel every play. Start huddling up mixing up personnel and formations, use some pre snap motion and give the D something to think about and maybe confuse them some so we can get some easy completions.

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dobber's picture

September 20, 2016 at 07:44 am

Here's the thing: the Packers don't play a really GOOD team, a team that's a threat to win the SB, until December (Seattle, if they get things fixed, and Houston, both games at Lambeau)...and depending on how things go, the only really good team left on this schedule might be Minnesota in week 16. Atlanta tends to play much better at home, but they're still pretty iffy.

You can take this a couple ways...
1. There's plenty of time for this team to "get right". If it's going to happen.
2. This team, even if it's playing as it has been, could be carried by its defense to 12-2 or 11-3 when Minnesota comes calling.
3. (and this is what I'm most concerned about) This team could scuffle along, playing mediocre offensively, win a bunch of games but be fooling itself when the playoffs roll around.

None of those games are gimmes, of course, but they're more than just winnable. Detroit is an excellent barometer this week...they can score some points and won't get run off the field, but they're not very good overall. Somehow the Packers need to right 14 months of meh offensive play and become a good offensive football team. They don't even need to be excellent...good, assuming the defense continues to gel, will put this team in the equation at the end.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:50 am

I hear you Dobber...we could play mediocre and still be a10-6 wild card. Once in anything can happen, but I hate being and underachiever.

Also think the Eagles looked good last night, so they are no cakewalk. Saw Wentz step into a throw across the middle and thought, "Oh, that's what it should look like." Also very creative play calling. It could have been because the Bearlies are a steaming pile though.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 07:52 am

I agree with a lot of what you said.

The part that bothers me is the lack of change on offense in the first 2 games.
Rodgers talks about needing to find their identity. Well wasn't part of their identity created once the 53 man roster was set? They kept 7 WR's on the 53 man roster. Really 6 WR's right now since Janis really can't play right now.
Abbrederis, Montgomery and Davis have received a total of 36 snaps in 2 games. Adams had 55 in the last game alone...

The part that bothers me the most is that there is very little creativity to the offense right now. They aren't doing much to force defenses to change to the offense. They are so worried about going hurry up and uptempo that it is actually taking away what is one of the strengths of their team. The amount of weapons they have, and the different abilities that they bring.

Abbrederis showed late last year and in the preseason that he was ready to step up and be a big contributor to the offense. Yet through 2 games he has 20 snaps, and 1 catch.

Its time that McCarthy takes a hard look at his philosophy and makes a change.

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Bearmeat's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:10 am

Yep. The constant use of no huddle and "11" personnel is old. Time to switch some things up. THEN you can go back to "11" after some success is had with other areas.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:32 am

I'm confused as to why McCarthy will scheme to beat the other team if AR is out but not if he is in. I seams to me like AR should be willing and able to execute a game plan, but I don't see that happening much.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 10:02 am

I'm ok with going no huddle and ok with the uptempo, but used when they can take advantage of defenses. I think its limiting the talent we have which is stuck on the sideline. We have a very talented group of WR's who offer a different array of skills. Why not use them?
While the Target stat is misleading and I hate it, it does show where the ball is going. Nelson has 20 targets, Cobb 15, Adams 14, Cook 8, Rodgers 5, Lacy 3, Starks 2, Abbrederis 1.

its not just about the WR's though either. Last week Ripkowski had 2 snaps. For a team wanting to run the ball more why does their FB get 2 snaps?

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Christopher Gennaro's picture

September 20, 2016 at 04:24 pm

been wondering the last thing, yet then i remember we had 3 fullbacks and 4 tight ends a while back. when did we see too much two te sets or even a fullback in the back field besides kuhn? other guys special teams only. when the roster was set this year, i know i wasnt the only one thinking, rodgers with rotating wide outs, 4 wr sets and the mythical five wide. i thought no defense on god green earth could stop aaron with that many options. nope lets just keeping doing what were doing.

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lucky953's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:46 pm

a) Because Rodgers doesn't "trust" them
b) Because Rodgers doesn't like to run the ball

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kubyskins2132's picture

September 21, 2016 at 07:21 am

I agree. They need to start using eddy with Rodgers under center and with rip in there lead blocking more in 2 TE se. It seems eddy does much better with fullback and QB under center. He needs to get ahead of steam going instead of getting the ball handed off standing still or tossing it outside were he doesn't have the speed. Then when u get some successful runs out of that formation u can call playaction and get cook down the seam or jordy on a deep post. Playaction works way better from under center and fullback. MM just needs to mix it up and try some more formations and personnel groupings and more power run set ups with fullback and guards pulling etc, lacy more comfortable running from these formations. Play to your stars strengths and stop trying to put square peg in round hole and out thinking yourself.

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NickPerry's picture

September 20, 2016 at 04:49 pm

What I don't understand is when I watch the Steelers, the Partiots, or Carolina last year WITHOUT their #1 WR how creative they are on offense. The Steelers and Patriots especially can adapt to any kind of game you want to play. I mean look at the Patriots? They can win with ANYONE because they can adapt. I mean look at Seattle last year. The Running game took a hit because of injuries and they were lighting teams up through the air. We ARE talking about a Darrell Bevel Offense too .

All excellent points in your post RC!

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Hematite's picture

September 20, 2016 at 06:42 pm

Because McCarthy has become a liability as head coach.
And Thompson has been a liability as GM for years.
But Aaron Rodgers in his prime was able to cover for them, not so much any more.

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stockholder's picture

September 20, 2016 at 07:56 am

MM knows how the West Coast offense should be run. Some how the packers have run something that resembles the "Blah". No TE's, and lets prove Adams is a WR. It's been 2 years since Adams had a good game. This team changed because Finely was such a threat at TE. And instead of going back to the TE, A-rod went to Nelson. The running backs and TE, are ending up blocking more. The Take what the defense gives you , became I have to help my friend more. Screen passes and shuttle passes are few now. Mainly because Lacy and Starks really aren't west coast backs. And Neither was Kuhn. Who knew how to Block. Their the throw backs to the 60s power running game. There is NO speed at RB. I hope MM goes back to what he learned and makes the west Coast offense great again. A-Rod has to learn how to dump it short again.

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7th Rounder's picture

September 20, 2016 at 07:56 am

I think going back to last year one of the problems has been the overuse of the hurry up offense. Hurry up can be a valuable tool but it inherently limits the ability to be creative due to keeping the same players on the field. AND when those 11 players are basically the same for 14 weeks straight it's not surprising defenses have completely figured it out. Part of the offense "success" in AZ may have been because the Cardinals defense weren't prepared to play Janis and Abby. We have a fully stocked WR room but the same 3 guys trot on the field over and over. MM believes his guys will beat their guys everytime but when the defense knows exactly what to expect then we see the same results week after week.

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rdent's picture

September 21, 2016 at 07:46 am

Funny how they use a hurry up/no huddle offense yet run the play clock down to 2 seconds ,it defeats the purpose

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dobber's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:08 am

I, frankly, would like to see the Packers utilize more presnap motion...not so much the "RRod moves to a backfield position presnap" or vice versa (which is about all they do). What other ways can the Packers start to dictate matchups? When a team lines up, like the Packers do, how much do they dictate to the defense?

When was the last time this team ran a jet sweep or a reverse (not that I'm calling for a lot of gadget plays)? I think several of us were calling for that a year ago. At this point, a defense might brain-lock if it sees that setting up because you can bet it's not on their game-planning radar.

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Rossonero's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:10 am

Rodgers and Co. Need to watch film from 2014. I feel like I'm watching a different team on Sundays. Is the route tree too simple and predictable for our opponents? Why are guys not getting open?

Has Aaron Rodgers celebrity status become too much of a distraction for him? Remember, he always carried a chip on his shoulder with all for the rejection letters he got from various colleges. Maybe the chip is gone. That gave him an edge, the motivation, the focus and he needs to get that back. Just my .02.

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4thand1's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:31 am

In the team intros AR still says Butte CC. The chip is gone, and you're right ,celebrity status has made him bigger than the team. Guys are getting open and anyone that watches film can see it. If all of us armchair QBs can see it I'm sure they can. They're supposed to be proffessionals and are failing starting with MM. Shit rolls downhill, he made the shitball and pushed it over the edge.

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Rossonero's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:06 am

Agreed. I'm worried that until Olivia Munn is out of the picture, his focus won't be on football, but rather, witty tweets, red carpet events, etc. I'm not saying I want Olivia gone -- Tom Brady is married to a celebrity model, but he doesnt abandon fundamentals either. He keeps his focus on football, or at least has learned how to balance the two. Rodgers has not....maybe. I'm just speculating.

There are examples throughout history in various sports. Remember when Andre Agassi and Brooke Shields broke up? He got his spark back and went on a rampage, dominating tennis again. Of course, he married Steffi Graf later and was still good. I don't know, I just want the old Aaron Rodgers back.

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rdent's picture

September 21, 2016 at 07:52 am

Tony Romo and Jessica Simpson,he had one of his worst years then,may be something to that

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Savage57's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:15 am

Collinsworth made an observation during the game, "AR practices his off-balance throws so he can throw from any postion."

How about the Packers coaches shelve that little nugget and get their boy on a strict 3/5 step drop, plant that back foot and rifle the ball into the window routine?

In morphing into a dancing, improvisational QB constantly looking for the big splash play off rhythm, he's forgotten what got him to the dance.

Footwork. Fundamental QB 101 stuff. Footwork. And not the "Pocket Two Step Shuffle" variety.

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staffordsneckfat's picture

September 20, 2016 at 11:04 am

I had this same exact thought at some point during the game on Sunday night.

Games like these make me miss the Holmgren West Coast offense, 3 step drop and the ball is out.

When's the last time we saw a quick slant? (That half assed Davante route on the goal line doesn't count)

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Grimbo's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:18 am

Rodgers is looking horrible, Adams is not an NFL caliber receiver, MM has gone stale, and the team is simply not fun to watch anymore. These are all coaching issues. This will probably result in a coaching change at the end of the year.

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Hematite's picture

September 20, 2016 at 06:45 pm

If they lose Sunday, it should happen Sunday night!!!

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croatpackfan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:29 am

I'm reading your comments and I can say that in every comment you can find some truth, but, by my humble opinion, main problem for the Packers O is not Mike McCarthy, neither WR, FB, RB, OL, it is Aaron. The biggest problem! We do not know how many times Aaron changed play Mike called. Maybe he called running game more often. By history of how Mike McCarthy calling plays can tell that there is no way he called for bomb down field on 3 & 1. He calls running. Of course there is always possibility that he surprise us with that call, but not likely.
People often says 10 years is more than enough with the team, myabe that is truth, but than look Bill Belichik. How long is he Patriots HC?
So, I really liked how Aaron Rodgers was playing. Last 14 games I see something else, what I do not like.

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Colin_C's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:09 pm

Agreed! My biggest concern isn't that we have a problem, but that nothing will be done to fix it. Green Bay rarely makes bold moves (Sitton excluded), and I worry that this will fester all season long. Who knows, maybe injuries will force changes to be made.

Also, just saw an article on Packers.com that says controlling the clock and field position are the keys to an offensive turnaround. That's bull.... Moving the ball and scoring points are what will turn the offense around.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:27 pm

Hey Croat, if you need some help going against the counterblast you're sure to receive for calling out Rodgers while excluding the WRs, just let me know. I got you.

Now, I'm sure someone will see this and totally read over the key words "main problem" and begin giving a few examples of when the WRs/FB/RBs or OL didn't execute well.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:33 pm

You both are right. The MAIN problem is Rodgers. He played absolutely poorly against the Vikings.

Nagler posted a vine in which showed a 3rd and 4 play where if Rodgers throws it to Davis on a crossing route he not only has the 1st down easily, he also has a minimum of 20 yards. No one was near him, and with blocking down field there was a chance with his speed he could have been gone.
Rodgers has to play better.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:48 pm

RC, I can tell you that some portion of responsibility shares coaches, either for not recognize the problem(s) or for not solving the problem. There is also responsibility of OL and how they play. RB, WR, TE - they all share some responsibilities to. But I really thinks Aaron is the main problem. When this problem will be solved all other problems will be minor...

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 01:21 pm

oh definitely. Rodgers missed a lot of WR's in that game. Whether he didn't throw it to them or threw it to them and the throws were off. One dump off to Cook would have gained close to 10 yards had he hit him running, instead he threw it at his feet and Cook couldn't hold onto it.

Rodgers is the biggest problem right now.
After that its on McCarthy, and then everyone else.

I think making the offense less predictable will to a long ways in helping the offense though. That means changing its personnel more often.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:44 pm

Thanks for the offer. I do not see that like going against the counterblast, I just say what I see. Last season we learned how Aaron was playing injured, what explains why he was throwing from the back leg. But this season he really looks me cocky and like he is in some kind of mission nobody else knows anything about. maybe not even himself. I do not know why is that,. I'm sad because he was my favorite player for at least 7 to 8 years. I really considered him as the best QB ever. I'm sad, looking what he made of himself. And I do not understand why.

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rdent's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:30 am

I heard early this preseason that if GB doesn't go deep in the playoffs MM will be gone,I was a bit surprised he wasn't fired after that debacle in Seattle in the NFC championship game.Too early to tell but it is already starting to look like last year,the problems on offense are obviously much bigger than not having Jordy Nelson,have Aaron Rodgers skills deteriorated that quickly or is his head in Hollywood? I can't help but wonder what direction this team is headed in,they keep seven receivers but only play three,MM has become predictable,TT has become too old AR has become pedestrian,Dom Capers D can't stop the run one year and can't stop the pass the next! There is a huge mess that's been brewing in GB for a few years now and the only way it will be fixed is if TT retires,Elliot Wolf takes over and guts the coaching staff and I hope it happens soon,I would like to see at least one more SB before I die of old age!

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murphy's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:32 am

Do you have the same sources as Cow?

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ray nichkee's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:53 pm

I know a good space bar repairman if you need one.

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fthisJack's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:31 am

rodgers needs to look in the mirror and admit that he is the problem with this O right now. not the receivers, not the RB, not the O line. its HIM!!!.he had 2 open receivers for TDs early in the game and he overthrew them both by 15 yards. put the ball where your receivers have a chance to catch it and stop worrying about interceptions. get back to the basics of what made you great in the first place. great fundamentals and the quick release. C"mon man!

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dobber's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:44 am

When a unit (not to single out offense, but just in general) isn't playing to expectations, you'd like to think that every player who has a role in that unit is calling himself "the problem" and working to be better. I think "the problem" is that there are too many players who think a switch is going to flip and everything will just be OK...I'm not sure the personal betterment thing is really happening.

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Rossonero's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:32 am

This was a good analysis by Bob McGinn:

"From his first season as a starter (2008) through the first 14 games of 2005, Aaron Rodgers never had fumbled more than twice in a game, and that only happened eight times. Now, after a three-fumble showing in Game 15 last year and three more Sunday night, one of Rodgers’ most remarkable assets is starting to desert him."

"Taking care of the ball is No. 1 for Mike McCarthy, and it has been for Rodgers, too. He did well to elude a free runner, MLB Eric Kendricks, and then had his back turned momentarily when hit and the ball popped out. Robison’s hit came from the blind side, but in the past Rodgers almost always was able to maintain possession because of his large, strong hands."

"On the scramble, he was careless. With the outcome on the line, Rodgers made an almost all-arm throw on the sideline that floated because he had no base. It was slightly behind Adams and picked by Waynes. He was fortunate not to have given Kendricks a pick-6 early. In contrast, Sam Bradford trusted his leaky protection and stepped into his throws with velocity, accuracy and touch."

"Sometimes Rodgers almost skips into his passes, almost as if the mechanics of the position aren’t all that important at this point. If memory serves Rodgers developed into a deadly pocket passer when he wanted to be, replete with textbook form and fundamentals, for at least the first two-thirds of his nine seasons as starter. Priorities can change."

"Mike Zimmer blitzed Rodgers more than in their five most recent meetings (37.3 percent), but he kept sailing balls high and seldom made him pay. Yes, Tretter cost the Packers a free play downfield by not snapping the ball when Robison entered the neutral zone, but at that point was it necessary to get all over the guy? Nevertheless, it all starts with turnover avoidance."

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croatpackfan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:17 am

Yes, can you put link please. It looks like very good analysis!

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Rossonero's picture

September 20, 2016 at 02:13 pm

Search "Packersnews McGinn rates Packers" and it should come up.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 20, 2016 at 10:23 pm

As it happens, I disagreed with quite a bit of McGinnś analysis in his rating the packers piece.

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paxbak's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:40 am

A Rodge was so successful to the middle of the field. The last drive failed because he decided to throw outside again after completing multiple passes over the middle. I don't know what is it. Last year we kept throwing outside the hash marks and I thought it was due to nobody being open over the middle. Now we have players that know how to get open and he still keeps throwing outside. It never works. If someone like me can clearly see this, I can't for the life of me figure out why MM and company can't. I hate to say it, but Rodgers may be done. A lot of times, it happens fast. He looks horrible!!! Other that the ability to scramble and avoid the rush. His arm is garbage!!

What a great Defense we have though!! By the way, the last interference call was horrible. What a great play by Randall!! Not that Rodgers would have won the game.... unless he could bait an interference call deep or hit a hail mary. Seems to be our entire offense now.

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ktownpackfan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 08:45 am

Rossonero, I've been saying this for two years. Two years ago, after we lost the divisional game, Aaron said in an interview that he was depressed until he got home, but when he walked in and saw smiling Olivia with open arms, he realized that it wasn't that important or awful at the end of the day. While I believe that everyone should keep perspective and it's great to have a supportive & loving significant other, I was shocked and alarmed at how quickly Aaron brushed off failure. I queried then that he may have lost the "chip" that has always motivated him. And I didn't accept the Jordy Nelson factor last year because if that is the truth, then we are not a top team. No one person (other than the QB should cause an implosion.) I think Aaron's head is/has been on life outside football since the gf and it's led to him becoming arrogant. MM? too nice ... tentative ... how do you handle a superstar's ego? There is a lot of "blame," but it's sad to see so much talent and hard work going to waste. GB isn't as much fun to watch anymore. But I keep hoping and watching. "I believe ... I believe."

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croatpackfan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:22 am

MM will not solving that issue. Ted Thompson will!

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croatpackfan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:23 am

Hey cOw when I will get my answer on this predicted injuries you've done during preseason?

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dobber's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:45 am

You've left out Cook and Nelson, too. And Abbrederis.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:15 am

Looks like ' Mr. Rodgers ' neighborhood is getting taken off the air by every defense in the league.
Is it Rodgers?
Is it McCarthy?
Is it any or all of his offensive contingent?

Let's start with a remark from Leroy Butler. ...Adams couldn't catch a cold if naked in the Article ' to some extent, and reminded of that Kang said....Why do you keep throwing to him.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:24 am

As it was not Jordy at all last season, it is also not Davante Adams at all this season!

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staffordsneckfat's picture

September 20, 2016 at 11:08 am

Hilarious Mr. Rodgers neighborhood joke, Taryn!

I can't wait to tell this one to the boys at the bar after work.

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SpudRapids's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:17 am

The world is on fire... everyone sucks.... Rodgers and McCarthy hate each other... Vikings are so much better...

Geez we are 2 games in

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Grimbo's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:21 am

I say bench Rodgers and put in Hundley. This offense would be electric with him running it. Like it used to be . . .

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dobber's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:46 am

The most popular player on any struggling NFL team's roster = the backup QB.

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rajahking's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:55 am

I am as concerned as anyone, but lets wait before throwing in towel on this season. The next 4 games are a perfect barometer for where this team is, in the NFL pecking order.

Its hard to know what's going on with Rodgers, but the thing is, all this armchair psychology is not informed by any real information... remember, even at the height of Rodgers' power, when winning MVPS - his body language has always been borderline arrogant, negative. He's not a smiley, cheerleader type, unless they are creaming their opponents.

So I think a lot of what we might read as divisiveness between him and McCarthy is b/c he has been mediocre to sucky the last year, as have the results. Basically - its not casual, its correlative.

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Since'61's picture

September 20, 2016 at 10:14 am

If I had the time, which I don't, I would go back and watch ARs performance since the Packers went to their up tempo offense. If we did that I'm confident we will find that his passing rating and everything else are worse than prior to the up tempo offense. If I remember correctly the Packers began to use it during the 2014 season, which was an MVP season for AR. But I'm thinking that by 2015 there was enough on tape for DCs to figure out which plays the Packers will run based on which players were on the field and based on down and distance, field location, etc. So while the idea of the up tempo is to prevent substitution to create mismatches DCs have figured out how the Packers use their player groupings and position their defenders to stop the plays the Packers are most likely to run based on down and distance. I believe this may also be the cause for all the timeouts because Rodgers realizes that he does not have the play or the players on the field to achieve the intended mismatches. If I were playing the Packers this is one of the things that I would do as a DC. Rodgers frustrations may come from realizing that the defense has figured out what the Packers are doing. Having said that there is still no excuse for Rodgers poor throws or lack of mechanics, that remains on him. But it seems to me that Rodger's and offense's issues began with the focus shifting to the up tempo offense and the alleged need to run 75 plays per game. This offense and Rodgers were once productive and efficient. Now, they are looking like they are uncoordinated and the results are they are not productive. Maybe it's time to slow down, focus on productive plays versus the number of plays and change up plays and players as the drive goes on. And for Rodgers go back to practicing drop back, set and throw. Right now he is playing like he practices which is throwing off his back foot without being set and he looks bad and is hurting the team. MM needs to take charge and get this offense back to basics. Use the up tempo once or twice per half not all the time. The up tempo is no longer fooling anyone and we need to get more players involved in the offense like Montgomery and Abby, at least. Most important focus on getting Rodger's back on track or none of this matters. It's early, there is still plenty of time but our defense is coming on and we cannot waste their strong performances. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

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Finwiz's picture

September 20, 2016 at 10:44 am

Point taken in your post, the opposing defenses have figured out the Packers tendencies, and the Packers are no longer fooling anyone. This is the reason nobody ever appears to be open. Saying the same thing to my son during the game, which of course went "over his head". (to be expected, he's a millennial) The answers do not lie in different personnel, and this is where we disagree in the analysis. Scheme was the source of prior success, and scheme, as in NEW, will fix the current woes observed. Now MM needs to adjust his philosophy, and quit being stubborn with this execution thing, like it's the players problem and not his. Dropping passes is execution, but not being open largely has nothing to do with that. I think the head coach is suffering from a "lack of imagination", sort of like the defensive coordinator, for whom the game has passed him by. At this point they are two peas in a pod, content to rest on their laurels, and blame their employee's for their own failures. MM is smart enough, and perhaps young enough to reinvent himself, but Capers is lost in his delusion of past success. The question is, can MM rise above his stubborn ways and somehow salvage at least half the teams schematic (offensive) deficiencies, and hope the D is at least tolerable? Time will tell.

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Since'61's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:05 pm

Fin - scheme, players and execution are all factors in the success or failure of an offense. Preferably the scheme and the player's abilities to execute the scheme are in alignment. If not then one or both need to change. My point about utilizing different personnel is that the Packers should be able to run their scheme with different groups of players and/or create mismatches by utilizing different players and modifying the scheme as appropriate. Either way let the defense try to figure it out rather than keeping the same personnel on the field because we're in a no huddle offense. I think the Packers need a few adjustments. First, I would have Rodgers call the plays to reduce these too frequent communication problems. Secondly, get more players, plays and formations involved in the offense. How about 2 TEs, Cook spread out wide with Cobb and Montgomery in the backfield. Get Abby and Trevor Davis involved also. Make the defense think about what is coming rather than just reacting which is what is happening now. Use Rip to support the OL to chip and/or block so AR feels that he can set his feet and throw. Communicate! Why is Rodgers going to the sideline and sitting alone after a 3 and out? Why isn't he meeting with the OC or his WRs or OL. That is a concern and should also be addressed. These are solvable problems but someone needs to step up and do it. As for the defense I have been very critical of Capers in the past, but his defense improved last season and has played well enough to win 2 road games this season so I'm ok with the defense for now. This team is built to win with its offense especially the QB so that's the current priority. One game at a time. Thanks, Since '61

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 11:22 am

That part does get old. Routinely they are down to 1-2 seconds left on the clock. What is the point of trying to be up tempo if they run the clock out. Something that may actually fool teams is if they get up to the LOS and snap the ball with 10+ seconds left.

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croatpackfan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 01:03 pm

RC when Aaron snaps ball at 10 or more seconds, they're almost always moving the chains or have good opportunity to do that! But, anyhow, Since is right. Mike McCarthy was talking about no huddle up tempo offense. They wanted to play 70 to 80 snaps per game, or more. That is up tempo offense. And I think Since got the point. Obviously something is not good in that plan, something not suits well Packers personnel, not just Aaron Rodgers, but also WR, RB/FB, TE, OL...

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 01:41 pm

I get that they like to catch defenses with 12 men and try to confuse defenses with the hurry up. But why not get up to the line and go. Keep the pressure on the defense.

To me the hurry up is taking away what is one of the strengths, and that is the versatility and the number of quality players they have and different things they can do.
I think changing personnel more will be better for the team in the long run.

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DrealynWilliams's picture

September 20, 2016 at 02:31 pm

"I think changing personnel more will be better for the team in the long run."

This I totally agree with.

I mean, did we keep 7 WRs in fear of another injury to Jordy or did we keep 7 because they all are talented and bring something unique to the position?

After watching the Vikings game again I noticed the 1st and 2nd drive after Halftime we had the SAME personnel out there for all but 2 plays!

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:40 pm

To me it feels like McCarthy has become stubborn and set in his ways. Last year I remember Wilde bringing up to McCarthy if he had thought about mixing and matching personnel more like they used to. I can't remember exactly what McCarthy said, but they never did it the rest of last year.

IMO, they have so many different types of weapons that they are handicapping the offense by running out the same personnel groupings.

They have 7 WRs, 6 of which can play right now. Why not use them.

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Grimbo's picture

September 20, 2016 at 10:39 am

I can't stomach another year of this offense with Arrogant Aaron running it. Either put in Hundley or bring Favre out of retirement. No one else on this planet, now or in the future, could go into the HoF and come out and win a super bowl. It would be the most unmatchable immortal legacy in the history of sports.

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michael562's picture

September 20, 2016 at 11:05 am

Just listening to a blog and the guy said on one play, Davis was wide open and Rogers just fixated on Jordy who was covered.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:04 pm

Must be a ' trust ' issue as Rodgers says he throws to the open guy.....which may be why he didn't throw it to him....in shock that a receiver was open.

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TarynsEyes's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:22 pm

Must be a ' trust ' issue as Rodgers says he throws to the open guy.....which may be why he didn't throw it to him....in shock that a receiver was open.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

September 20, 2016 at 07:02 pm

I wondered that too. This "trust" issue between Rodgers and everyone else on the offense is a toxic situation.

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Geri's picture

September 20, 2016 at 11:39 am

Totally agree with Donster. So sick of the same excuses for poor play every week. Can't win games with a team of rookies. Rodgers needs to come down off his pedestal. I'd like to see him benched for a week. McCarthy did it to Lacey last year and Rodgers is playing as bad as Lacey was. Might help to get his ego under control. Also wish TT would get out of town and let Wolf give it a try. Maybe he won't be so stubborn. And TT can take stale Mike McCarthy with him. I have to quit now because I cannot refrain from cussing any longer.

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rdent's picture

September 21, 2016 at 01:48 pm

I agree with you,what I have seen starting with the meltdown in Seattle I was glad to see they promoted Elliot Wolf this off season.TT has done well for the most part but seems a sense of complacency has set in that entire organization,hoping Ted hangs it up after this year,this team needs a shake up and I bet Wolf will make some big moves to the coaching staff

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croatpackfan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 01:05 pm

Names are not doing business well, people does!

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rdent's picture

September 21, 2016 at 08:01 am

I would feel better about Elliot Wolf taking over when TT retires than going outside the organization,a young fresh mind yet a lot of experience,he wrote his first scouting report at age 10

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Tundraboy's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:02 pm

Watching Rodgers passes especially the short screens, checkdowns, I just don't get it. I mean there's no way with his athletic ability that he can make those throws unless he just doesn't care anymore or as others have suggested, that he's trying to get MM fired. There's really no other explanation for it. He's just too dam good to be making that type of crap throw. I almost wouldn't t blame him because Im no no longer convinced MM is coaching to his abilities. And I see him more and more as a detriment to this team. Too much talent on this team to be so innefective on offense.

I mean where was Cook, most of game,
Ty, Abby, Ripkowski, a play or two with Davis. You can bet your ass another coach would be running Jet sweeps with Ty, Davis. Lacy 12 carries? Put your team into a position to win and use everything you need to win. Enough talk MM

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:24 pm

'I mean where was Cook, most of game,
Ty, Abby, Ripkowski, a play or two with Davis.'

Ty had 0 snaps, Abbrederis had 6 snaps, Ripkowski had 2 snaps and Davis had 5 snaps.

Its hard to get much production out of those players who received a grand total of 13 snaps...
This is what bothered me the most about last year, and is starting to bother me this year. Hopefully it doesn't continue this year, but its not looking good right now.
They have some really talented players and they are refusing to use them.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:34 pm

So so frustrating. I don't think I've ever been this aggravated two games into the season. Was it crazy for me to have expected them to put up a good performance on national TV against the Vikings in Minnesota. Now we have to hear nonsense talk from MM and EB about how they want to run more and they want to game plan differently for next game. I mean how does one not realize until after the game that Lacy ran only 12 times. Who's running the ship here if not the head coach?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 21, 2016 at 12:33 am

RC, I have been complaining about MM not using the best players on his roster for years, generally citing Desmond Bishop. I am not asserting that Ty, Abby or Davis are better than Adams, merely that they have different strengths that could be utilized on more often.

2nd: every year MM starts spewing about running the ball more. Sometimes he does run it more, spasmodically, for a few games. This is an annual thing, and my reaction to MM's words is just a yawn.

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PETER MAIZ's picture

September 21, 2016 at 01:50 pm

But after losing a game, McCarthy always talks like this.

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Samson's picture

September 20, 2016 at 11:44 am

It's pretty simple. AR is on the wrong side of 30. His skills are starting to slip because of age. He needs better players around him to succeed. This happens to most QBs as their skills fail them due to age or injury.

Hundley is an unproven NFL QB. He is not the answer at this point in time. He may never be the answer.

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kubyskins2132's picture

September 21, 2016 at 08:25 am

His physical abilities have not slipped. It's his mind that has slipped. He doesn't go through his reads, he picks 1 receiver before the play and if he's not open he bails out pocket and try's to make a throw off his back foot. It's like he forgot how to play QB. He never passes the ball in rhythm of the offense. He never takes 3 or 5 step drop and throws the ball. He ignores the open receivers underneath and holds the ball trying to make some backyard football play downfield. It's like he doesn't see the open receiver anymore and thinks everyone is covered.nopen in the nfl is very little separation. Watch Big Ben, Brady, I mean even wentz, dak, and jimmy g and u see them hanging in the pocket going through reads and step into there throws even when there's pressure and putting passes on the dine with tight coverage cause that's what u have to do in the nfl. U don't have receivers running wide open with 5 yards of separation very often. Just look at Sam brad fords td's to diggs and Rudolph. Stepped into throws with pressure right in his face taking hit right after release and putting a throw on dime in tight coverage where only his guy can make the catch. Rodgers wouldn't even have thrown to them he would have bailed out of pocket cause of pressure and considered them covered and if he did throw it to them he would throw way over there head cause he throws off back foot instead stepping into throw. He forgot how to play QB. Looks like rookie that game moves to fast for and has no idea what he's doing out there. That's how he's played the last 16 games. The tape and #'s don't lie. His been one worst QB's in the league since week 8 of last year.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:49 pm

One would think that Rodgers would have more pride than let his game slip to this level. At what point do fans think he's going to snap out of it? Next week? After the bye week?

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ray nichkee's picture

September 20, 2016 at 12:59 pm

The members of al-cowda are out in full force.

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4thand1's picture

September 20, 2016 at 01:14 pm

yeah yer right ray. I'm guilty of overeacting myself. It's 2 games so far and I let my expectations get to high. But this play has to improve, the defense has been good, the offense was expected to be great. it's funny what losing a game or 2 does to people.

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4thand1's picture

September 20, 2016 at 02:26 pm

You've been the same shitstain for years. Hope the Packers don't follow your doom and gloom perspective.

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ray nichkee's picture

September 20, 2016 at 02:37 pm

The slate was wiped clean September 11 2016 in Jacksonville you product of a rectum. September is the new preseason. You and your herem of filthy animals need a good cleansing.

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4thand1's picture

September 21, 2016 at 10:01 am

keep the change you filthy animal,lol

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Icebowler's picture

September 20, 2016 at 09:26 pm

It's our turn to tell Rodgers to R-E-L-A-X!

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