Cory's Corner: Packers & Rodgers Need Each Other

The best fit for the potential 2021 MVP is right where it all began in 2005. 

It made sense at the moment. 

Jordan Love was drafted in 2020 because Aaron Rodgers only started seven games in 2017 and won six games in 2018. The organization was left with a tough decision as the 2019 season approached: Either stick with Rodgers because he has proven time and again that he can do it or with Rodgers approaching 36 years old, it’s time to think of an insurance policy.

Like I said, I liked it back then. I didn’t like where Love was drafted and that general manager Brian Gutekunst traded up to get him. Love had the raw ability, but after starting two-and-a-half seasons at Utah State University and being largely average, it was apparent that Love needed seasoning.

But that was before Rodgers decided to prove everyone wrong. This season, at 38 years old, he is playing some of the best football of his career. After winning the NFL MVP last year by throwing 48 touchdowns and completing over 70 percent of his passes, Rodgers is the slam dunk to win his fourth MVP. That would put Rodgers second all-time to Peyton Manning’s five MVPs.

The time is now. If that means the Packers have to pull a Tom Hanks and tearfully say, “I’m sorry Aaron,” then by all means do it. And the reason is simple. Rodgers is clearly the best quarterback in the game. He is running circles around everyone else mainly because of how efficient he is. 

Is it really worth watching a talent like that go when you don’t know what you have waiting on deck? Granted, we got to see Love start against the Chiefs on Nov. 7, but he showed that the game is still too fast for him. His presnap decision making isn’t there and he is very skittish when the pocket begins to crumble. 

The next order of business is money. The Packers and Rodgers would have to meet in the middle. The 17-year pro is due $46.1 million in 2022, which is impossible for Green Bay — especially with the Packers’ cap space set at $3.5 million according to OverTheCap.com. 

Not only is Rodgers good for the Packers, the Packers are good for Rodgers. Rodgers is meshing with third-year head coach Matt LaFleur, he is comfortable in the play-action offense and he knows exactly what is expected of him. The Packers have one of the best offensive lines, a solid 1-2 punch at running back and a plethora of pass catchers. 

Then there’s Davante Adams. He is the best receiver in the NFL. Adams is justified going after an average contract over $20 million a year. But what’s the point of signing a long-term deal with a different team if you’re not 100 percent confident that the quarterback can consistently get you the ball? I’m willing to bet that Adams is at least willing to listen to Green Bay if Rodgers comes back. If Adams wants to be considered a top three wideout of all-time, he stays and continues to pile up amazing stats. 

Rodgers was clearly hurt when the Packers picked Love. Now it’s time for the Packers to make it right. Trade Love away for a third and fourth rounder. A team like the Browns or Panthers would probably pounce on that given their inconsistencies at the most important position in sports. 

The Packers just need to be honest and realize that Rodgers staying in Green Bay for the foreseeable future and adding another Super Bowl trophy and MVP award would make it all worth it. 

The Packers can have all of the pieces in place, but without an elite quarterback, they would quickly turn into Cleveland. The Browns would’ve beat the Packers with average quarterback play on Saturday, but the Packers escaped with a 24-22 win.

That’s where the Packers are. They need to look at themselves in the mirror and see who they want to be. Do they want to be good enough or do they want to be elite? This is a fork in the road question that should be easy to answer. 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Bearmeat's picture

December 28, 2021 at 06:43 am

Yawn.

emo based puff piece on things players have done and not what they will do going forward. If you want to look at the tea leaves for 2022, look at TGR’s fact based cap pieces.

12 will be gone from Green Bay in 2022. And while I’m thankful for his time in Green Bay, all good things must come to an end. Give me Love, a veteran team, and a full stocked war chest of draft picks.

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edp1959's picture

December 28, 2021 at 07:20 am

Oh yes, the war chest of top draft picks has done wonders for Detroit hasn't it? The one thing they have been missing is a MVP QB, strange.....wonder if that has anything to do with their lack of success.

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HawkPacker's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:12 am

It's too early to tell. Don't the qback picks begin with this coming draft?

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:24 am

Detroit has Goff as a placeholder; this year's draft is not a good one for QBs, so maybe they'll concentrate on building a great defense in this year's draft and wait for QB until next year.

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edp1959's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:55 am

But wait, I thought the packers already had the next great MVP QB. Remember they used a 1st and 4th round pick to get him. So why do they need to draft another one next year?

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:24 am

It was pretty clear that I'm talking about Detroit, since "Goff" is their QB and it's in context to your own comment, under which I'm replying. SMH

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Leatherhead's picture

December 28, 2021 at 10:32 am

Edp doesn’t always read clearly when the topic is Rodgers. Detroit loses for lots of reasons besides their QB.

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HawkPacker's picture

December 28, 2021 at 10:18 am

Sorry after I typed it I wondered how it would be viewed. I did not mean that Detroit would draft a quarterback but that the picks received in trading their quarterback to the Rams would begin with this next draft! Sorry for the confusion.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:22 am

Stafford has always been pretty good, and they had Megatron for his entire career. It's the ownership (Matt Millen, anyone? And that terrible coach who tried to fight Harbough, among too many others). Their own front office destroyed that team.

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edp1959's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:56 am

How many MVP's does Geoff and Stafford have between them?

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dobber's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:24 am

How do you like your red herrings? Pickled of course, it's new years!

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:26 am

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl. You don't have to be an MVP to win the championship. Get a grip and learn some NFL history.

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scullyitsme's picture

December 28, 2021 at 01:02 pm

This has to be the worst reason I have ever heard. Trent pilfer? That’s how much you hate Rodgers that you’d bring up winning with Pilfer? Omg, brad Johnson? What was that 20-30 years ago? Lmao, I think Bart star only threw like 15 tds one year also, that might be relevant too.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:20 pm

The argument was that you need an MVP QB to win a Super Bowl. History has proven this wrong. More recently, Peyton Manning was shadow of his former self when he won the Super Bowl with the Broncos because of their stellar defense and certainly not because he played well. His brother was never an MVP IIRC and yet he's won more SB's than either Rodgers or Favre.

Saying you must always have an MVP QB to win a Super Bowl is therefore idiotic.

You must love AR so much that you've totally lost perspective.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:41 pm

Those type of Defenses are no longer allowed in this league. Rodgers in for another deal, the Fans out with the accounting journal.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:57 pm

dot

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:58 pm

ditto dot

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Leatherhead's picture

December 28, 2021 at 10:43 am

If Rodgers had been drafted by Detroit, he’d have 0 MVPs.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 28, 2021 at 02:41 pm

Can't blame a guy for wanting to fight a Harbaugh.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:21 pm

True that. Can't stand Hairball myself, so I definitely see the attraction there - I just couldn't remember that terrible coach's name.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 28, 2021 at 10:30 am

Bearmeat, I agree 100%. It’s an emo piece. In Cory’s world , it’s all Rodgers, all the time. Rodgers decided to prove everybody wrong and play better, etc. Let’s not consider all the things the GM did to improve the team. Let’s not give any credit to LaFleur for putting an offense in place that keeps his QB healthy.

Let’s diminish Love. Pay no attention to the professional scouts and coaches who think he’s a franchise QB. Let’s ignore economic reality. Let’s just stick with Rodgers until it’s completely clear he’s finished. 😜

If we win the Super Bowl, and Rodgers wins the MVP, he’s going to have quite a bit of trade value, and our new QB is going to have a pretty good team around him.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

December 29, 2021 at 09:59 am

Leatherhead & Bearmeat,
1,000% agreement! Leatherhead you articulated everything perfectly!

Sure it is possible the Packers might keep Rodgers around to the long-term detriment of the Packers but I'd like to think they are not that stupid.

Seriously Cory....trade Love for 3rd & 4th round picks after trading a 4th round pick to move up in the 1st round to select him? Then develop him for two years? Cory....you would make the perfect NFL General Manager that every GM would call on draft day. If I was Gutey I'd ensure you and I became fast GM friends and regular trading partners, or at least as long as you held your job. Seriously, a 3rd & 4th round draft choices for Love? With a 5th year option even if you did keep Rodgers why would you trade Love for such insignificant draft selections?

Right now Packer fans are emotional because Rodgers and the Packers are doing well. I understand! However, if the Pack once again gets beat short of the SB I believe many fans will change their tune in the offseason once cap reality hits. Do you want to keep Rodgers and lose a ton of good players next year, or do you want to trade Rodgers when his trade value is at the highest for quite a few top draft choices and players to restock your team moving forward? Should be a no brainer! Remember the adage of its better to unload a player a year early than a year too late!

Let's enjoy this ride (2021) with Rodgers at the helm for all he is worth. His mastery is fun to watch! Rodgers says his 3 years riding the pines behind Favre was extremely invaluable to his development as he watched Favre. Let's hope Love sitting on bench for two years observing Rodgers has a similar impact on him. We can hope!

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Pilprin's picture

December 28, 2021 at 06:48 am

It all sounds good but it denies a few items…1…AR may simply want a new challenge 2…GB may like Love more than fans like love 3…Adams and Rodgers is nearly impossible with the cap situation for 2022. To think the roster is better in 2022 with both back is wishful thinking.

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HawkPacker's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:13 am

It is hard to imagine having them both back in 2022. Even if QB/GM Rodgers takes a Brady $ cut, could they still keep them both knowing the other contracts that we must keep?

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Minniman's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:46 pm

If the Packers win against MIN and DAL lose against the Cards then the #1 seed is locked up.

If that happens then I'd be playing Love in the final week - and it's his job interview.

If after nearly 2 years in a system he can't lead a playoff caliber team to a win over one of the worst teams this year, then something is missing that I'm not sure will be present for a long time (if ever).

What I'm not saying here is that Rodgers should be extended - just whether Love is capable of being a potential franchise (or NFL ready) QB in the immediate future (next 2 years).

...... that's also not saying that he's incapable of having a Rasul Douglas moment in his 4th year and get it....... he just has to show something more than he did against the Chiefs.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 28, 2021 at 04:48 pm

No, it’s not his job interview. It’s an exam, to measure what he has learned since his last exam. Then he’ll have the offseason and training camp to learn more.

The Packers aren’t going to hand Love the keys to the 2022 season. We’ll bring in a free agent vet in case Love is injured or just not the guy. But the Packers need to know before they exercise the 5th year option . If Love can do it, great, and if he can’t, we’ll be looking at the draft but we won’t be eating a bunch of dead money.

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Minniman's picture

December 29, 2021 at 03:21 am

Fair call - I too agree that whichever way this gets cut, Love is going to have to prove himself worthy.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

December 29, 2021 at 10:02 am

I agree with you Minni!

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NickPerry's picture

December 28, 2021 at 06:53 am

If you asked me if I wanted Rodgers to stay or be traded at the start of the year, I'd have said trade him and get as much as you can for him. If you asked me after the whole vaccinated / immunized debacle, I'd have said trade his ass....BUT, on December 28th, 2021 my stance has changed a bit.

Personally I don't care much for Aaron Rodgers the person. BUT Aaron Rodgers the QB is a "Bad Man" and is probably playing as well as any point in his career. I know most will point to 2011 or 2014, but the Aaron Rodgers of 2020 and now 2021 is even more impressive.

Obviously MLF deserves a TON of credit for Rodgers turn around in his play. I'd say Luke Getsky and Nathaniel Hackett deserve some too. But what Rodgers has done with Adams and a bunch or role players at WR is remarkable. I can only wonder what might have been had Gute stayed put in 2020 and drafted Michael Pittman ot Tee Higgins instead of Love.

IF there was a good time for the Packers to just admit they were wrong, they made a mistake, and trade Love before this years draft, THIS would be the time to do it. Rodgers would HAVE to compromise a bit though. He's made a SHIT TON of money and if he wants to win AND keep a good team around him he MUST compromise. Paying Jenkins, Alexander, Gary, Campbell, and Douglas is going to take a HUGE chunk of money. So is keeping Adams which I'd imagine is a MUST DO if Rodgers stays.

I don't envy Gute this offseason but I do TRUST him, I mean why wouldn't I? The man has built a SB roster ON THE FLY after a disastrous draft in 2017 and inheriting a depleted roster about 3 months before the 2018 draft.

Lets win the SB and THEM worry about next year. I'm just enjoying the remarkable ride!

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Gopack12's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:31 am

Amen

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:32 am

Didn't read TGR's cap article, huh?

Why do you call a voluntary pay cut a "compromise"? Would YOU take a 25% pay cut to keep your coworkers employed? I don't like AR the person, but I totally understand and support his desire for making as much money as he can, while he can. This is what professionals do. As for Brady's "team-friendly approach", I strongly suspect that there was under-the-table money involved, given the nature of the Patriots franchise.

Trading Love at the end of the season would be nuts, if for no other reason than we would have only Benkert as our backup should AR decide to sign for his dead-money value; there's no QB help coming in this year's draft for when AR does retire.

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Minniman's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:57 pm

I respect your point of view jurp about taking a pay cut, I just think that the conversation is different when one already has enough money to last a "first class lifestyle" lifetime and it's equally a question of legacy.

Re Love, I replied to a post above that I thought that if all goes well this week and the #1 seed gets locked up that Love should start in the last week........ and it's his job interview.

2 years in a system and it time to "smoke em if you've got em"

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:26 pm

I agree with you on both points, but if AR feels that he must maximize his salary then I can't disagree with him. Penny-wise and pound foolish, perhaps, but it's his life to live.

I, too, would start Love if we have #1 locked up - the two weeks off for AR would certainly help his toe heal a bit - but MLF had better have a better game plan for Love (anticipating a ton of blitzes) then he had for him at KC.

Love played decently for his first start when he wasn't being blitzed.

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Minniman's picture

December 29, 2021 at 03:28 am

Totally agree re the game plan for Love if he plays the last game.

He's not Aaron Rodgers, so don't expect him to make throws and read defenses like him.

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HawkPacker's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:41 am

Wow. What a great commentary Nick. I agree with what you are saying and a bit surprised at the down votes.

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HawkPacker's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:43 am

Dup

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HawkPacker's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:45 am

Nick after rereading your commentary, I don't agree with trading Love but I pretty much agree with the balance of your comments.

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dobber's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:30 am

I agree that if they make nice with #12 and find a way to retain him long-ish term, they need to find a taker for Love...if not this off-season, then during camp or next.

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MainePackFan's picture

December 28, 2021 at 06:21 pm

I'm fine with keeping Love and letting him sit behind AR. Develop him in the same way Rodgers was developed. It's worked pretty well in the past, why not continue the formula. Don't the Packers have two more years with JL before they have to make a decision. Trading him right now will not solve any problems in my humble opinion. If Rodgers stays, Love would be the perfect backup. He is not a threat to AR , and his trade value right now is minimal.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 29, 2021 at 12:08 pm

When the Packers reworked Rodgers contract, they voided a year. And if some media reports are true, gave Rodgers permission to open talks with other teams for a trade with the Packers.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:59 am

Thoughtful comments, Nick. Agree with most of them.

However, I would not trade Love even if Rodgers astonishingly decided to play for a deep home town discount (he won't).

Love is only in year two of a 5 year first round contract. And we still have not seen what his upside is, which I believe is considerable. Yes, he lost to the Chiefs but he was not the reason for the loss. In fact, he outplayed Mahomes.

And agree with you, Gutey and the FO knew the 2022 offseason was going to be a salary cap slog. I do not see either Adams or Rodgers being able to fit into the 2022 cap without completely rebuilding around them with rookies and free agents.

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PatrickGB's picture

December 28, 2021 at 11:59 am

I actually like Aaron Rodgers. After thinking about it, the off-season talk makes more sense now. I respect his stance on many things even when I don’t agree 100%.
The part of the article that promotes trading Love makes sense too because Rodgers has a lot more left in him under Matt. Yet I still think that cap restrictions will be too much to overcome it. But that’s next season and I will enjoy this one for as long as it lasts.

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HarryHodag's picture

December 28, 2021 at 06:55 am

The author touched on the cap situation but like a lot of folks ignored the stark truths. As far as I can tell the $3.5 million figure is way off. Sportrac has the Packers $37 million over the cap going into 2022. That's $37 million just to get back to EVEN.

Everyone with a brain will want Rodgers back in Green Bay. He might consider it. But few consider what Rodgers really wants. I think much will hinge on how the team does in the playoffs. If he wins the MVP and wins the Super Bowl, what else is left to prove? He's financially set and has a bright future ahead in front of the camera. Going to Denver or other teams means you're starting the grind all over in a new set of circumstances. I'm not sure he wants to do that either. His tweet just before the start of the season, "one more" might well mean this year was his final 'one more'.

I'm a hair annoyed at the writers who simply write off Jordan Love. His body of work is so limited that you can't make a realistic story about thumbs up or thumbs down. Even if Rodgers stays, why is it that Love can't stay too? Baker Mayfield is a solid reason to see that even drafting a QB high up doesn't mean success. Drafting is still a crap shoot and who takes over if Rodgers exits? Want Blake Bortles back?

My bet right now is Rodgers retires. He has a new and full life outside of football and he's proven just about all there is to prove.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:49 am

I don't know if AR retires if he can move to a new team that's really only a QB away from challenging for a SB. Heck, that team could be Cleveland, if you think about it, but I doubt he'd want to move even further away from Boulder.

I think there are some goals he'd like to hit:
- Win a second SB - one more than Favre (doesn't have to be with GB)
- Win a fourth MVP - one more than Favre (doesn't have to be with GB)
- Win a fifth MVP
- Take a new team to the SB (unlike Favre's attempt with the Vikings)
- Be considered a better QB than Brady (tough with a Midwest team; I've always considered him to be better than Brady myself)

Obviously, AR could hit the first two goals this year, although the way things are looking at this moment, I'd say that Dallas (yuck) is the best bet to go to the SB from the NFC. He could still win the MVP, though. If AR does hit the first two, he may very well retire IF he thinks he's made enough money. But he's also a huge competitor and, I think, may be a little afraid of boredom after he leaves the game. If so, then he'll want to be traded, but only to a specific sub-set of teams.

The only way we keep AR is if we extend him so that he makes his dead-money amount next year and has no guaranteed years beyond 2022 (maybe, 2023, but that would have to also be for a reduced amount).

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dobber's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:36 am

"- Take a new team to the SB (unlike Favre's attempt with the Vikings)
- Be considered a better QB than Brady (tough with a Midwest team; I've always considered him to be better than Brady myself)"

I think the motivation to carry a different team to the promised land--a la Brady--will be a motivator for him. He's always going to be compared to Brady, and that's going to be the last comparison that he might feel he needs to win.

Brady playing well in his 40s and ARod not really showing a decline in arm talent or the mental aspects of the game will keep him relevant to teams looking for a QB upgrade.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 28, 2021 at 10:06 am

Rodgers said one of the reasons he did not report on time was consideration of retirement he claimed was a 50-50 decision for him.

IMO, Retirement is more likely than playing the 2022 season with the Packers.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:42 pm

Rodgers has said a lot of things, and not all of them were true.

At the end of the season, if we don't re-sign Adams, I'm expecting that AR will give a list of teams he'd like to play for to Gutekunst and ask for a trade to one of them. If we don't or can't trade AR, I agree that AR is quite likely to retire, but I think that retirement may only last for one season.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

December 29, 2021 at 10:09 am

Absolutely no way Rodgers retires IMO!

Rodgers loves himself and he loves the limelight. In retirement he would be bored and mainly forgotten. Rodgers would require a serious injury, or his talent decline so obvious before he retires.

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December 28, 2021 at 12:06 pm

Very well put! The more and more i go around regarding Aaron (will he stay or go), i have been thinking more about how he would want it. He won't pull a "Brett" and say "trade me to a NFC North foe or NFC team" in order to play the Packers. I agree with you, Aaron might want to do an Elway, win a title, ride off into the sunset, and have played his whole career as a Packer, NOT a Viking or some other team.

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stockholder's picture

December 28, 2021 at 07:11 am

Drafting Love never made sense. In fact; I thought Gutey Lost his head. You have the Best Qb in Packer history. And the only thing the packers brass wanted to do, was disrespect him. Sorry, but a Free Agent made more sense. Rodgers wasn't done. And he isn't done now. Gutey needed to finish building the Defense. The fact Petine resigned speaks volume. But lets play the odds here. Why would they think Love could be the next Rodgers? Thats just insanity by most who can't deal with reality. Money was the fix. So forget the grave digging. Rodgers is a MVP who sells tickets. And the packers just don't have enough All-pros. If the packers want to stay alive, it's obvious they need more. But Rodgers is the step in the right direction. Rodgers continues to deal with a changing Packer Roster. Injuries happen. But I can't think of 1 person in packers history, that did so much with so little.

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HarryHodag's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:45 am

How is drafting the QB of the future disrespectful? Was it disrespectful when Ted Thompson shocked the world drafting Rodgers?

"The Packers don't have enough All-Pros"?
Rodgers,
Bakhtiari
Alexander
Z. Smith
Kenny Clark
D. Adams
Mason Crosby

That's seven of 23 players or about 30 percent of the starters are All-Pros either now or before.

"But I can't think of 1 person in p(P)ackers history, that did so much with so little." Partially true and partially false. Older fans will remember the same thing when Favre was QB.
Aaron Rodgers is a great player, but to say this team is nearly untalented belies a 12-3 record and doesn't hold up via the facts.

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stockholder's picture

December 28, 2021 at 10:32 am

Big Difference in TT taking Rodgers and Going up for LOVE. The Disrespect is the Drama, and the Defense not being built first. Lack of Communication. Favre had surgery on his thumb. Not to mention the retirement talk. TT drafted everyone but Alexander. Your list of Rodgers, Adams and Clark is the point. The rest due to injury, and snubs is stretching it. And Mason Crosby is by chance. Your guys are older. Were already seeing the injuries. While Rodgers is still playing at a MVP LEVEL, ( compared to Favre and his teammates.) ///// REGARDLESS WHO HES PLAYING WITH!! ///

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fordguy's picture

December 28, 2021 at 04:17 pm

And also was done during a receiver heavy draft when we needed help at receiver that was finally addressed this year. That receiver would now be in year 2 instead of year 1 and would probably be more reliable in special teams returns and in the offence.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 28, 2021 at 04:53 pm

We needed help at receiver? WE LED THE LEAGUE IN OFFENSE!!!! And TD passes!!

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fordguy's picture

December 28, 2021 at 06:56 pm

Then why did they draft a receiver this year?

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:54 am

The Packers don't need to keep anyone to "sell tickets", as you should know if you've been a fan for any length of time.

And how do you propose that GB afford those additional All-Pros you think they need when a QB's salary takes up so much of the cap?

Keep AR at a price he wants and you can forget about this team being relevant for a decade - and, frankly, I don't think Rodgers would want to play in GB with the decimated roster his own salary would require. Personally, I wouldn't want to be known as the guy whose demands forced the team to begin its long descent into mediocrity.

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dobber's picture

December 28, 2021 at 10:02 am

Agreed: the idea that ARod will take a reduced payday--when he's always been about being compensated at the top of the QB totem pole--for the good of the Packers is wishful thinking and not paying attention to history.

"And how do you propose that GB afford those additional All-Pros "

The best way to afford all-pros is to draft them...

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stockholder's picture

December 28, 2021 at 11:09 am

Playoffs? One game almost got blacked out. Are those all -pros to expensive?/// Do they need Rodgers or Love? --A team doesn't make the playoffs with a bunch of #1 picks. They have to have a good QB. I believe Rodgers would retire first for his teammates. Not to mention his Legacy in GB. Even Maybe Move on. - Shouldn't his salary be in line with other Hall of Fame QBs? Cheap Ted would say NO. But isn't being cheap; what brought us to drafting Love? If you want #1 picks. Just take Rodgers out of GB. The whole World knows that.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:35 pm

Yes, All-Pros are, pretty much by definition, expensive, since very few of them are on their rookie contracts. It's true that a team doesn't necessarily make the playoffs with a bunch of #1 picks (see Jets, Jags, Lions...), but it does with #1 picks, a game-manager QB, a good-to-great coach and a good FO. We would have that without AR and with Love, assuming we get a couple of #1s for AR in trade.

"Retire first for his teammates"? What the heck does that even mean? And yes, his salary should be in the top 3 or so of QBs - WHICH IS WHY WE CAN'T AFFORD HIM.

A team with an excellent defense and a good-enough QB always stands a better chance of making the playoffs than one with a great QB and not much defense. The Bart Starr-coached Packers put up good offensive numbers but their defense sucked. Not that Dickey = AR, mind you, but we had some good WRs and a decent running game to complement him, and we were lucky to hit .500. With AR re-signed at a commensurate contract, we would have him, JA, and not much else - welcome to the 80s again!

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 28, 2021 at 04:35 pm

Have to have the trigger man who has the experience to process and deliver.

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murf7777's picture

December 28, 2021 at 07:20 am

My stance hasn’t changed since the beginning. You seldom have a HOF QB and when you have them you ride them till the end. I love winning consistently vs having a great year occasionally and non=playoffs many other Ala Denver and most all the teams.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:56 am

Yep, you ride them to the end of the plateau and off the cliff into the Valley of the Terrible Teams. Say "hi" to your new neighbor, Jets and Jags fans!

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Leatherhead's picture

December 28, 2021 at 01:06 pm

How many HOF QBs were winning titles at the end of their careers? Very few.

The decision was made after the 2017 season, when TT was replaced by Gutekunst.

😎Rodgers is extended. This means “we think we can win with Rodgers, and he’ll probably be a good QB for five more years or so…IF we can keep him healthy”

😎We draft Love. This means “we will transition away from Rodgers.” Probably in Love’s 3rd year. That’s 2022.

😎when you’re getting paid millions of dollars to make long term decisions for a half-billion dollar a year business, you don’t change course because Rodgers is playing well. Heck, if the plan was to trade him, it’s a good thing that increases his value.

😎All Things Must Pass. Change is inevitable, and should be embraced. Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 28, 2021 at 04:25 pm

So true, LH. All we are is dust in the wind.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 28, 2021 at 04:49 pm

I plan on Composting.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:43 pm

Looking into that as well. Presently only legal in Oregon, but CA soon.

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Roadrunner23's picture

December 28, 2021 at 07:25 am

Russ Ball & Brian Gutekunst own up to your mistakes and get Rodgers and Adams back in Green Bay to finish their careers in Title town!

How? I have no idea, that’s what you guys get paid to do!

Make it happen, your jobs depend on it!

That is all

ND

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HarryHodag's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:52 am

The challenge is a bit like telling a starving person they can have all the bratwursts they want to eat. There's one catch: the brats are at the top of Mount Everest and you have to get them. Can it be done? Yes. Likely? No.

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dobber's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:58 am

"they can have all the bratwursts they want to eat"

Now you have my attention!

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Houndog's picture

December 28, 2021 at 07:35 am

Anyone thinking Love "might" be the future just needs to watch the film of the Chiefs game.
That deer-in-the-headlights look in his eyes for the entire game speaks volumes and is unlikely to go away anytime soon, if ever! Imagine what those two picks might look like on the defensive front seven right now.
And for all of you praising Gutey, tell me again, what was that you were saying about salary cap?

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HarryHodag's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:47 am

Rodgers had the same look when he began. The Chiefs well might be the Super Bowl rep from the AFC, so losing to them in KC isn't unimaginable.
If Crosby hits both field goals the score is tied in regulation and anything can happen in overtime.

Instant decisions on limited facts leads to inaccuracy.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:59 am

Wasn't Love something like 13 of 17 when he wasn't being blitzed? Doesn't sound like "deer in the headlights" to me. MLF's game plan and lack of in-game adjustments was at least part of the problem in that game.

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Packerpasty's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:30 am

look at his college games...nothing in them says "draft me" like Gutes did...it was a mistake plain and simple. With Love at QB it will be "back to the Gory Years"....watch and see...

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dobber's picture

December 28, 2021 at 10:05 am

"...it was a mistake plain and simple. "

...and if it is? So long as the Packers are honest with themselves and don't ask him to do more than he can or hang on too long, they'll be doing due diligence. That's the NFL.

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Gee's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:29 pm

The last sentence says it all,the game in K.C was Rodgers game plan, for the most part. The coaching staff had little time, to adjust after Rodgers positive result. As much as I would love Rodgers and Adams to return, the cap and future contracts make that a spicy meatball. Is Love going to be a HOF qb, who knows, but lets at least give him the tools and play designs to show what he really can do. The harsh reality of his contract and what Adams should get, the team would lose too many pieces IMO on both sides of the ball to be a Super Bowl contender, even with those 2 back.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:01 pm

If you compare the two years of production with Rodgers starting at California with Love's two years of starting, their stats are almost similar. Rodgers has a slightly higher QB rating while Love threw for more yards and TDs.

And most conveniently forget Love lost his HC, Coaching staff, and his entire starting O line and WRs to graduation...and had to learn a new system his last year at Utah State. Rodgers had consistency both years of starting at Cal.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:07 pm

Oh yeah, they shudda drafted a proven college winner like Tebow.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 28, 2021 at 10:16 am

It was one game, in Arrowhead, and Love still OUTPLAYED Mahomes.

No one is capable to evaluate a second year player after playing in just one NFL regular season game.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 28, 2021 at 07:43 am

Are we going to get reruns on the weekly Rodgers articles after he’s gone? If there’s no Rodgers, what would there be to write about?

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:05 am

Until the season starts, some of the writers will write articles like "Can the Packers beat out Detroit for third-place in the Division in '22?" and "Gutekunst is in over his head and needs to be fired", with the occasional "QB prospects that GB should draft in the first round" and "QB FAs that GB can afford".

Once training camp starts, we'll see these same writers with articles like "Packers need to start Benkert now" and "Why we should trade Love ASAP".

After the season starts, we'll see articles like "Love doesn't impress in first post-AR start, but we win anyway" and then later in the season "Packers can still win the Division if they do these three things"

And in 2023, they'll all be on the Love train, and they'll have forgotten everything they wrote over the past 2 years.

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Gee's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:31 pm

Man the scary thing about your comment, is how close you may be.

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egbertsouse's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:00 am

Time to rebuild. Can’t hang on to the past forever. Time for Gutey to take a page from Ted’s book,

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Gopack12's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:44 am

You must be a Vikings fan

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:06 am

No, a Vikings fan would want their not-quite-good-enough QB to be re-signed at an exorbitant salary.

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HarryHodag's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:56 am

I fully agree. Fans fall in love with the 'now' without thinking of tomorrow.

2021 was 'all in'

2022 might be 'whose left'?

Even without Rodgers or Adams the Packers have a solid core of young players to build on. We might have to eat dirt for awhile to the North Division rivals, but 2023 and beyond will look ok. But if you go 'all in' again in 2022, it might be 'fire everybody' again in 2023.

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Hawk811's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:28 am

I wouldn't say rebuild, but there is no way Green Bay can afford to keep Rodgers and Adams without losing the majority of their core players. Don't forget we also have a young core of players that need to be re-signed: Alexander, R. Douglas, Jenkins, Gary, MVS, Tonyan, Savage, etc. Are you willing to let some of them slip away?

Rodgers looked like crap his first year. Am I saying Love will be next Rodgers, no, but let Love be who Love becomes. He could still surprise.

Everyone thinks players can play forever because of Brady, but that's not the norm. It's just a matter of time before father time catches up to Rodgers and Adams. I would rather leave one year early, than one year late. If Denver is willing to give the house for Rodgers and Adams (franchise/trade) - do it. I'm hearing three 1st round picks, Jeudy, Fant, Lock. Lock would be great insurance, Jeudy could grow with Love or Lock. Fant can't block, but he can stretch the seam. Plus, three 1st - who knows who we can get. Gutekunst has done pretty well with 1st round picks.

We should build around Love, keep our young core of players and see what we got. Rodgers is one of the all time greats - but I don't think he would be where he is today without Gutekunst and LaFleur!

As for being in cap hell - well Gutekunst went all in this year for Rodgers, like most of us wanted. Those that understand the cap, knew it was one last chance to keep the band together. Superbowl or bust this year!

Next year, take what you can get, set this team up for the future - hopefully the future is bright.

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HawkPacker's picture

December 28, 2021 at 10:43 am

You make some great points. None of us know what will happen. But we have Gute and Russ Ball to figure things out. As far as holding on to Rodgers for a year too long, no worries there as I really think he can play into his early 40's at an MVP level.....or at least I hope he can. Let's just enjoy this year and trust the process.

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Packer_Fan's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:07 am

I was under no illusion when they drafted Love. Potential versus a known quantity. We know more now. Love is still a long way to go. Rodgers is the reason why the Packers are in a good spot. Coaching has had an impact also.

We will ride however far Rodgers can take the team. And I believe the virus will decimate the team in the next few weeks. I just hope Rodgers can get us a first round bye.

And for the future, another three or four years of Rodgers will suit me just fine.

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Crankbait's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:19 am

Still so many triggered by Rogers honesty about Covid and wokeness.
Be careful what you wish for haters, When Rodgers leaves Green Bay will be milktoast for years before (if ever) they get back to the Favre/Rogers dominance.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:10 am

I find it interesting that you can't even bother to learn how to spell the name of your favorite QB.

AR's covid stance has nothing to do with the fact that we quite literally cannot afford to field a decent team if we re-sign him at a salary commensurate with his talent. If you want to see GB as a "milktoast" (sic) team for years, then by all means re-sign AR at upwards of $30million/year and cut a ton of vets to get under the cap. Good luck winning with AR, Dillon, Alexander (for one last year), and a ton of JAGs.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 28, 2021 at 04:36 pm

I'm so sick of the woke mob dragging Caspar Milquetoast into this. Don't we have a moral obligation as critical thinkers to honor the memory of cartoon characters?

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Guam's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:22 am

This is a fantasy piece based on some very flawed assumptions.

Assumption #1: The Packers are only $3.5 million over the 2022 salary cap. Most sites have the Packers between $37 and $46 million over the 2022 cap. A huge difference that will drive the release of a number of very good players. TGR laid out the many options the Packers have to get back to the cap, but this team will look very different in 2022 regardless of who stays and who goes.

Assumption #2: Rodgers and Adams will want to stay with a team that has lost a number of very good players. Will either or both want to stay on a team that is, to some extent, rebuilding? Will either Rodgers or Adams want to stay if the other is leaving? Neither Rodgers nor Adams have publicly stated anything on this topic yet the author assumes both will want to stay.

Assumption #3: Both Rodgers and Adams will be willing to take "hometown discounts" to stay with the Packers. Adams has already publicly stated he will not offer the Packers a hometown discount and wants a maximum contract. Rodgers has said nothing on this topic. Yet Corry assumes both will take discounts to stay.

I think most Packer fans (including myself) would like to see every Packer great including Rodgers and Adams finish their careers in Green Bay. Unfortunately the salary cap problems of 2022; the wishes and desires of Packer management; and the wishes and desires of Rodgers and Adams are all going to impact what will actually happen. I think the likelihood of Cory's scenario is slim to none. I don't see how the Packers keep Adams given the salary cap issues and I think that may impact both Rodgers' and Packer management's decisions.

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HarryHodag's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:02 am

Spot on Guam. I'm old enough to remember when Bart Starr left quarterbacking the Packers. The long drought after Starr was in no small part due to really, really lousy personnel decisions and near daily interference by the Executive Board into the workings of the team.

Adams is gone. He can get $26 million on the open market. The Packers can't afford him. That is why this year it is really necessary to finally pick the best WR available high in the draft, followed by one or more edge rushers.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:14 am

Another reason or the Sucking-70s and Ewwww-80s was the terrible horrible John Hadl trade by a coach desperate to keep his job.

Imagine if we signed AR for, say, $35 million and Adams at $26 million - that's 25% of the salary cap used up in two players. SMH at those fans who are okay with that scenario.

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dobber's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:52 am

Well stated Guam.

"I think most Packer fans (including myself) would like to see every Packer great including Rodgers and Adams finish their careers in Green Bay. "

I think a lot of people really want to see an ARod playing at his 2011, 2014, 2016 or even 2019 level finish his career in GB. You're not paying a QB for who he will be, but for who he was. Pittsburgh with Ben Roethlisberger or Atlanta with Matt Ryan: prohibitive contracts on players who aren't what they were when they signed the deals.

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HawkPacker's picture

December 28, 2021 at 11:30 am

Not sure how Gute would look at that. I do remember when he signed the fabulous four free agents, the Smith Boys, et al. He stated at that time that he is paying them for what they will be and not necessarily on how they played in the past. I think Gute is pretty smart and we need to trust the process moving forward!

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Gman1976's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:04 pm

The old adage "The Numbers don't lie" bolster your take Guam. "The Last Dance" this year is in reality Rodgers playing with Adams, but not next year due to the salary cap. The best scenario for the 2022 Packers: Rodgers resigns with Gute doing his best to hang on to our talent. 2022 will bring a lot of angst and pain, but that's the reality of the salary cap and I hate it.

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edp1959's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:25 am

A really smart GM would have moved up when he had the opportunity to take Justin Jefferson in the first round. This would have had an immediate impact on the offense and solved part of this equation.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:15 am

How would drafting Jefferson have solved the salary cap issues of AR? It sure would've helped with losing Adams next year, though, but my thought is we'll get at least one (and probably several) WRs in the next draft, especially if we do get a decent number of picks for AR.

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dobber's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:55 am

Yawn.

Why stop with Jefferson? Why not move back further and draft an all-pro DL or TE that they missed on at some point. I'd almost rather hear you bring up TJ Watt--almost.

Sheesh...litigating draft picks in retrospect is about the lowest and least constructive form of analysis.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 28, 2021 at 11:50 am

Exactly...the draft is a gamble. Yet good GMs have a blueprint in selecting talent and Gutey has drafted some very good players following his.

The woulda, coulda, shoulda dream scenarios are just that...dreams. Virtually every NFL team "should" have drafted Rodgers. Same for Favre. And every NFL team passed over Tom Brady several times.

QB is the most important NFL position...but an elite QB surrounded by below average talent usually loses more games than a average/above average QB surrounded by above average players and depth.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 11:24 am

I'm always amused when I think about the VIkings having had not one but TWO chances to draft Rodgers, but they were happy with Culpepper and not thinking about the future.

I used to occasionally remind the Daily Norseman fans about that (mainly when they were whining about bad calls in a game their QB lost) until Chrissie threw a hissy fit and ban-hammered me. :)

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barutanseijin's picture

December 28, 2021 at 02:59 pm

Had the Packers traded back in 2019 instead of drafting Love and picked up a track star WR like Troy Williamson & a DL guy like Erasmus James, people here would have been ecstatic "Great draft" "In Gute we trust" "Set up for a Super Bowl Run" yadda yadda yadda.

What's that? You never heard of Troy Williamson or Erasmus James? Odd.

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dobber's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:20 pm

Erasmus James had a great career for the Badgers.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:37 pm

Yes he did, which got him drafted in the first round. I remember being sad that the Vikings drafted him because I really liked him as a Badger and couldn't root for him as a Viking. Turned out not to be a problem. But hey - at least Erasmus got paid!

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HawkPacker's picture

December 28, 2021 at 11:35 am

Hindsight is 20 20.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 28, 2021 at 05:07 pm

You would have had to move to #19 and deal with Gruden who whiffed on his two," high" character picks and you would not have Dillon on this squad. They all made the mistake of passing on Jefferson until gifted by Philly to the denizens of the shipwreck on the prairie.
I believe Gutedkunst was waiting on Aiyuk and then Lynch made the deal with Spielman. That's the way it goes.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 29, 2021 at 12:23 pm

Possible. Only Gute knows for sure... :-)

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

December 29, 2021 at 10:18 am

Monday morning QB! Sure....though Jefferson was my hope in that draft but NO ONE knew he would turn out to be so good!

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Gopack12's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:40 am

He wants to play well into his four ties…. that’s all he ever want was the respect he deserved… he felt disrespected by the whole trade up for love…Green Bay’s actions this year shows they realize this.. we will extend him at the end of the year… and thankfully so… if not we will regret the day and the rest of the division and all their fans will rejoice

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Gopack12's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:00 am

Oh yeah , almost forgot about Love, if the light hasn’t come on by now, it’s not coming on…trade him for a used bag of kicking balls

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Coldworld's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:22 am

You weren’t around in Rodgers early years, obviously.

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:18 pm

And fans forget Favre was within a whisker of being benched for Mark Brunell due to Brett's interceptions and undisciplined play. Every O coach voted to bench Favre, except one...Holmgren.

Holmgren told Favre the coaches wanted him benched and he was the only one to stick with him as long as he got with the plan.

Most great QBs are made, even those with outstanding physical tools.

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Coldworld's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:03 am

Just sad that we have yet another rehash of emotive self reassurance. We are still in the regular season, a job still to be done. Nothing has changed concerning the financials. If you can’t focus on this year, what’s the point of it all? Be careful lest you miss it.

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dobber's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:58 am

Hear here!

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:22 am

Cory, I suggest you read TheGreatReynaldo's excellent article on the salary cap for next year and beyond. As TGR notes in the comments under that article, he actually went into that salary cap exercise trying to find a way to keep AR, but couldn't. If I may suggest a future topic, how about "What the Packers Can Do to Maximize Jordan Love's Talents", but only after we finish this season first.

As Coldworld notes above, don't fixate on the future when the present is looking pretty damn good.

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Bitternotsour's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:44 am

Jordan Love, a boatload of draft picks and an opportunity to sign Mariotta to reunite with MLF. Pray for a superbowl and celebrate the last dance. Time to move on.

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dobber's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:37 pm

Mariota will be a backup in this league for a long time, but I really don't want him being my #1.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:39 pm

I see Mariotta as kind of a Zeke Bratkowski QB - around for ever and good for a few wins here and there, but not "the guy".

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Bitternotsour's picture

December 28, 2021 at 10:35 pm

i wasn't suggesting he'd be the #1. love was drafted as the #1. mariotta will be plan B.

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pacman's picture

December 28, 2021 at 09:55 am

As some said above, this team will look very different next year. It's possible that Love turns into a great QB but pretty hard to see it at the moment. So unless AR wants out, I say we try to keep him. That means probably not keeping Adams. And considering what Nijman and Jenkins have done, we can (very regrettably) trade Bakhtiari. And Z is probably gone. And we won't be able to sign Douglas. (or do we keep him & Stokes and trade Alexander?). I think the main problem is the other WR's going too. So will AR want to stay is the main question? Gute and AR might just come to the conclusion together that it is not worth it.

If we win the SB this year, then that might ease the pain. But all these years wasting AR has been quite disappointing in retrospect.

So for now, I just want AR to stop wasting timeouts, for D to stop playing soft, for ST to just not be bad and for MLF to get his team mentally ready for a full 60 minutes every week.

I see the Vikings game as the playoff warmup. Vikes will be plenty motivated. Will we? Beat them soundly, and I'll believe we can do it. If not, ....

GPG

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stockholder's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:42 pm

If your considering trading him. I would just release him first. He's had 2 operations now. The other is his Contract. It will be interesting if he plays this year.

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JohnnyLogan's picture

December 28, 2021 at 10:31 am

"... a plethora of pass catchers." Writing that alone is proof the article is delusional.

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jhtobias's picture

December 28, 2021 at 10:56 am

jordan does not deserve any bashing nor any judgement at this point . The kid has played 1 game !

With that said I agree with Corey . If Aaron still wants to stay, you make it happen. Whatever feelings you have for Rodgers is irrelevant. He is maybe the greatest talent at qb ever.

Salary Cap for next yr is irrelevant. The cap will explode is a year or 2 so keep kicking the can. You will never get an aaron rodgers again

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 11:35 am

Salary cap for next year is irrelevant? Try telling that to the NFL. And there's absolutely no guarantee that it will "explode" in future years. Yes, it will go up with a new TV contract, but who knows if another black swan event will impact it like covid did these past two years.

AR should get paid a top QB salary, which means we cannot afford him unless he'll play for $19 mil (his dead money) in 2022, with a long-term guarantee. With that, we're only kicking the problem down the road, even with a higher cap. And even if AR agrees to a cheaper salary, we're STILL going to lose good players just to make it under the 22 cap.

From a purely fiduciary aspect, Gute should trade AR for whatever picks he can get, cut whomever he has to to get under the cap, and then use the picks to build for the future.

I would not be surprised if Gute takes a late-round flyer on a QB, just for insurance at backup. Remember, Russell Wilson was picked as a backup and outplayed Matt Flynn, Starr was a 17th round pick (a UDFA in today's league), and IIRC, Unitas was a street free agent. I like Love, but a team must always try for improvement.

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scullyitsme's picture

December 28, 2021 at 11:33 am

I have never seen a fan base worry about the salary cap more than here. You’d think it was their own money. So you extend Adams and Rodgers for 5 more years, spread it out, salary cap goes way up in that time, problem solved. You people act like the salary cap is actually real or something, idiots

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 11:43 am

"So you extend Adams and Rodgers for 5 more years, spread it out, salary cap goes way up in that time, problem solved."

You just described AR's 2018 contract, and you're now seeing how that philosophy has worked out.

I suggest that you find TGR's salary cap article and read it.

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scullyitsme's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:56 pm

2018 to now…..ah, you make that sound like a bad thing? NFC championship games? On another run? ….idiots. No offense to TGR, he crunches numbers all day long because he likes it, I have better things to do. Because In the end there is a way and a scenario for everything, Rodgers 2018 contract has really held us back hasn’t it? Ah, see above.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:44 pm

AR's 2018 contract has put us $35million and change over 2022's salary cap, meaning that we have to release some very good players to just get to the cap number.

Short-term thinking is a great way to get into a ton of financial problems. Hope your credit card carryover isn't in four-digits, because if it is, I'M not the idiot here.

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Coldworld's picture

December 28, 2021 at 04:28 pm

That contract has yet to work out. If you are honestly suggesting that another 5 year rebuild around Rodgers makes sense then I fear that you are delusional.

The difference between us and Tampa is that they had oodles of high and still inexpensive draft picks to graft Brady on to. We don’t, we had to pay and develop. Aside from the unfavorability of the probabilities of health and age, there is little likelihood that Rodgers wants to play through that again either.

Nothing has changed, the only question is which parts of this roster are departing and what if any draft capital we can add. We have already banked on cap increases in how we’ve restructured to make this year possible. If we expend significant cap on players no longer able to play up to their contract or at all, we will be at a huge disadvantage. When the cap goes up, player costs rapidly follow (rightly). Too much dead cap and no team thrives, especially one trying to rebuild. TTs frugality is one reason Gute had the ammo to put this roster together.

As with Favre, we are seeing those who project the past into the future as if it were a constant. Judging players by the past is a recipe for ruin proved over and over again. We also see some for whom it’s the QB they are fans of first and foremost. Many of them left with Favre and will with Rodgers, whenever that is. Not with out much emotive language and intemperate statements first.

Rodgers isn’t forever. The Packers are, hopefully. Rodgers isn’t going to win anything with a threadbare roster. Proof of the foolishness of that assumption has been incontrovertibly provided. Change is coming, and if Rodgers and Adams at least aren’t willing to be irrational financially, this team is in it for this year and very different next. Enjoy it and Rodgers or miss it worrying about the future. Change is almost inevitable.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 28, 2021 at 04:46 pm

Deals can be made. Finance over the accounting department. The NFL made tons of cash this year and still had a captive audience in 2020 with the TV money and the omnipresent merchandising, streaming and their cut of the Gambling Money. CAP is up 25M in '22 and set to trigger like a step function in '23-'24. Adams may depart if the big cash is offered by a contender, but Wides are coming out of college a bit more polished these days, especially first round talent. Time to look for another Lofton, not Randy Wright.....

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flackcatcher's picture

December 29, 2021 at 12:46 pm

Sorry James. No one (not even the front office) knows what the Cap will be. News reports on a way higher Cap number is based on wildly optimistic projections. The Packers understood that reality and made their decisions based on that. Fact: The TV contract does not kick in until 2023. Even with a Cap increase there will not be any extra revue outside what each NFL team can generate themselves. Just take a look at the veteran releases this year. The number of productive players released is a prelude for next year. And that is even with a large Cap increase...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 29, 2021 at 03:34 am

No worries. I do have better things to do, but I also do like crunching the numbers, so that diversion is not too far down my list. I don't keep a running total like Ken Ingalls; instead, once a month or so I take an hour or two to crunch the numbers. If I decide to write an article, that does take time.

Now if my children would just start popping out some grandchildren for me, that might change things!

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Lphill's picture

December 28, 2021 at 11:55 am

Lefluer’s winning record is because of Aaron Rodgers not because of him .

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LambeauPlain's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:39 pm

Right, Rodgers has done a great job coaching up young OLmen, Stokes, Douglas, Campbell, Clark, AJ, AJD, Lazard Bojo et al.

Was Rodgers responsible for the losing team performances in 2017, 2018?

I think Matt has a great group of coaches...not all, but for the most part coaches who coach up players and are instilled with confidence and a winning attitude.

Matt is a leader.

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fordguy's picture

December 28, 2021 at 04:50 pm

And who exactly got Lazard on the field? It wasn't the coach it was Rodgers who made the suggestion to get him on the field.

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dobber's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:40 pm

You can't separate the two.

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Since'61's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:16 pm

First question, does Rodgers want to remain in Green Bay? If yes, the Packers need to decide if they want to keep him. Take the money out of it and what is the correct decision? Obviously the correct decision is to keep him.

Next question is, how to do it? If Rodgers really wants to stay the money will work out. If Rodgers has unreasonable demands then the Packers have not choice but to move on. How do they move on? Trade? OK, let's look at that. Depending on which team the Packers ultimately deal with they will only have the possibility of getting some early draft picks in 2022, say an early first and second round pick.

Rodgers will turn whichever team he is traded to into 10+ game winner once he gets there and then any picks we receive for 2023 and maybe 2024 will be mid - to high 20s. So much for a great return on trading Rodgers. If he is traded to Cleveland for example, even in 2022 we would, at best, receive a first round pick in the teens given Cleveland's current record. It could become a cycle of mediocrity for the Packers similar to the 70s and 80s, even with all the additional picks.

Without Rodgers what is the Packers value proposition for retaining and/or acquiring free agents? Not great. Diminished SB opportunities and Wisconsin taxes.

The flip side is that Rodgers has 2-3 good seasons remaining at best, regardless of how long he would like to play.

So the real question is do the Packers want to try to continue to win with Rodgers or do they want to rebuild around Love or someone else and for how long? With an SB win this season Gute and MLF buy themselves 3 more seasons minimum and maybe 5 like MM/TT did with 2010. Keeping Rodgers and winning another SB after this season buys them even more time and they don't become known as the chooches who let Aaron Rodgers get away.

Maybe the answers to these questions are more about what's good for Gute, Ball and Murphy rather than what is good for the Packers?
Never underestimate the self-interests of those in control. Me first is a very powerful motivator. For now bring on the Vikings.
Thanks, Since '61

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PeteK's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:32 pm

I don't understand, how do you separate what's good for team and the management?

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dobber's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:40 pm

Look at the Bears--Ryan Pace has been making moves to save his ass for years...they haven't necessarily been good for the Bears.

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Since'61's picture

December 28, 2021 at 05:58 pm

Absolutely Dobber. Pace is just one example. In the case of the Packers Gute could decide that the best way for him to maintain his job is to keep Rodgers and try to win another SB or 2 with him, especially if the Packers win this year.

That decision could work out in the shorter term but could also be a disaster for the Packers in the long term for the salary cap and the team's ability to retain or acquire key free agents. However, every SB Gute wins probably provides him with a minimum of 3 more years of job security regardless of the results on the field.

Packer management has the advantage of a sold out stadium for decades. So the GM knows ticket revenue is not going to be a problem no matter how poorly the team performs. The GM also knows that profits are not an issue because the Packers are a non-profit organization. The coaches will bear the responsibility for the team's results while the GM can justify his existence for a long time.

I'm not saying that any of this will happen but it can't be ruled out either. Thanks, Since '61

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PeteK's picture

December 28, 2021 at 07:44 pm

The NFL is littered with GM that have short job security because of losing records. Mckenzie-Raiders, Maccagnan-Jets, Reese-Giants, Allan-WFT, all lasted 4 seasons and have been fired in the last 3 yrs. There are only a few teams that hold on to their GMs even after many losing seasons.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 28, 2021 at 05:38 pm

Hitting the bullseye again,'61. The 2010 analogy is correct and may I add the 2014 Seattle debacle still kept the golfing foursome teed up at Oneida Country Club. My number one move would be letting Ball take the low road out of covid county and impress Murphy with the benefits of retirement. Bring in Andrew Brandt to run the show. The queens will either be motivated for a chance to compete for a playoff spot ,but I tend to lean the other direction. The weather will be nippy. Let the Pack come out smoking and put up points. Cousins will not be so lucky this time around with the picks. Stay safe, mask up and lead.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 29, 2021 at 03:40 am

"Maybe the answers to these questions are more about what's good for Gute, Ball and Murphy rather than what is good for the Packers?"

Yup.

I don't believe in the seamless transition, but I wouldn't want to be the GM in charge of the fire-sale and subsequent rebuild, either.

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TarynsEyes's picture

December 28, 2021 at 12:56 pm

Of course, the best place for Rodgers is in GB from the fans point of view, until the cost to make that reality comes into play and many fans believe Rodgers shouldn't be paid top dollar for what they know is the only reason the team is as relevant as they are and would be even with the loss of players coming next year.

If I was Rodgers and heard the fans calling him this and that over the vaccine bs, I'd make sure I was made the highest-paid QB and tell the fans to inject that sentiment into their bs. When the brainwashed stop being led astray that Covid-19 is equal to SmallPox, where death is likely regardless of age, health at the time of contracting it, as is being proved in the NFL with the extremely high number of players 'testing' positive with a minute number, if any really, being on their death beds as is expected with any virus contracted by the aged, unhealthy people of which the vast majority are already inflicted with deadly illnesses, and due to age are already susceptible to viruses by natural reasons.

Positive tests will always be around in high numbers just as any air-traveling virus would and the death numbers would be reduced drastically if the government stopped applying the cause of death to Covid simply because of a positive test which erases from the persons' health chart with the already suffering illness that results in death. Yes, perhaps Covid brought that death on sooner, but it wasn't the reason for death as any type of infection, etc could and would bring that death on sooner.

It's reported that 800,000 people have died from Covid. It's reported that over 60% of Americans, a number I believe low, are obese to a level that death due to breathing issues is likely, which if Covid was such a lone killer, the number of deaths do not support the panic nor the mandates the government is inflicting upon the populace. Shouldn't 60% of the people by the level of obesity be seen dropping on the streets in front of us hourly?

I ranted simply because Nick Perry dislikes Rodgers as a person because Rodgers isn't vaccinated and he won't simply take it for the team. The team isn't on the deathbed and neither is any individual player etc. The only reason a team losses players, coaching, etc, is by the abuse of power attached to Covid protocols that have essentially done nothing except to expose it, though too many still have not been able to figure out the shameful scam that is being played on them. They're now advertising 'LIFETIME' masks for the duped to buy because they have concluded enough of you have willingly bent the knee in submission to a virus that will forever mutate and leave you to never again breathe with an uncovered face. I'm actually surprised that this face-covering hasn't been law-enforced for women only yet, regardless of being vaccinated, but there are still some other freedoms to be erased first with Covid being the eraser.

I know the dislikes are coming in high numbers, but as always, I'm willing to take the hit to say what is really happening, and because I love my freedom and will speak aloud to ensure yours remain as best and long as I can.

I still believe this is the best year for the Packers to win it all, but their play, overall or dissected, has doubt trickling in with the last two games possibly opening a floodgate enough to prepare for another drowning.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 28, 2021 at 02:38 pm

You think you're clever setting yourself up as the truth teller with the message people don't want to hear. Hollywood bullshit, that's what that is.

A million people have died because they were fat? Why didn't they die in 2018?

And what does this have to do with the Packers being over the cap or Rodgers being 39 years old? Nothing, that's what.

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TarynsEyes's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:13 pm

Covid was in the article.

I didn't say they died because they were obese, I said Covid made them die sooner as it would with any other dire health issue. They may not all die, but the chances increase with any virus for people of obesity and other serious health issues. Unless obesity is no longer deemed a serious health issue that induces death sooner than later, and perhaps it is since it nows seems obesity is the new cool thing with everything. I can't remember a commercial without an obese person in it, especially fast food commercials. Keep believing that obesity isn't a death sentence or any other severe long-time deemed health issue, and just blame it all on Covid, the biggest cop-out ever in Medical history.

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barutanseijin's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:51 pm

I know your type. You're the kind that thinks your health is all about personal responsibility. Lift some more weights, Taryn. That'll shrink the brain-sized tumor in your skull.

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jurp's picture

December 28, 2021 at 03:54 pm

I don't know if you've looked around lately, but most Americans are obese, which according to your own "logic", makes them more likely to die. Protecting these people from dying earlier is, therefore, the MORAL thing to do, and if wearing a piece of cloth over your face helps prevent THE NEEDLESS DEATHS OF THOUSANDS, then that's what we should do.

You obviously subscribe to the Malthusian philosophy probably best restated by Dickens as: “If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.” or in your terms "No one can make me wear a mask! Waaah! I won't! It's all a plot to get me to give up my freedom! And so what if I kill a bunch of worthless obese people because I'm not wearing one? Who cares! They're fat and going to die soon anyway!"

Lots of big words and long sentences may make you sound educated, but you sure as hell aren't smart.

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Coldworld's picture

December 28, 2021 at 04:35 pm

Bah! Humbug!

Thanks for the opportunity to say it (Chas. Dickens too).

There’s a lot of humbug here, and it was inevitable once it was written. Good clickbait, questionable judgement in terms of both creation and content.

Now, let’s focus on football while we still have it!

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fordguy's picture

December 28, 2021 at 05:13 pm

Shouldn't you be over on Packers.com? They have more of the chat room. stay on-line all day and comment on every thread experience you're looking for.

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TarynsEyes's picture

December 28, 2021 at 05:16 pm

I do believe people need to take responsibility for their health and not have those that do suffer to make them feel better or demand unending sympathy for their abuses of themselves. Sure, I understand that there are health issues that arise no matter how well one takes care of themselves, but the ridiculous amount of obesity in this country isn't from unpreventable things and to make it seem so is pathetic, as is the call for those to suffer to make them feel better while they continue to abuse their health. Put down the junk food, stop supersizing everything to order, do some manual labor, and most of all, stop screaming it's the fault of others. I have no tears for obese people while stuffing super whoppers in their faces while crying for sympathy about their weight and health issues.

Your Dickens analogy is totally wrong in this matter. However, if people choose not to work to help themselves but want only to survive off the backs of others' toils, as is a government thinking, I could care less about them. There is a huge difference between a hand-up and an unending handout. I've run out of heartstrings and have ensured that all my pockets are deep as can be to prevent myself from having nothing by giving constantly to the never-ending list of those needing 'free' help without the desire to earn for themselves. Besides, the government seems to be doing a great job at taking what some work for and giving to those who don't and won't.

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PeteK's picture

December 28, 2021 at 08:23 pm

Many of the dying are over 65 and so less resistant to disease, not obese, have had cancer, which by the way is indiscriminating who it effects.

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Oppy's picture

December 28, 2021 at 05:12 pm

Aaron Rodgers? Bye.

It's gonna be pathetic watching how many Packers fans jump ship when the inevitable happens in 2022.

I thought Ted, Mike and Mark showed some big back when they told Favre to take a flying leap. Based on how willfully blind most Packers fans are to the situation at hand, I think Gute and Mark might have just set a new bar. They're shit-canning Rodgers in 2022 and looking to the future. Huge balls.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

December 29, 2021 at 04:10 am

Yes, I agree with this, assuming they knew they were making that decision when they drafted Love. LH saw the writing on the wall, but I am not persuaded that Gute did. Moreover, in the absence of Covid and the reductions in the salary cap limit, I think Gute would have tried to retain AR for 2022 and beyond. I think AR's epic 2020 season and his really good 2021 season would have rewritten the lines on that wall, but the cap is the cap and AR's reaction is what it is, was, or will be.

If Love is a bust, then fans will crucify Gute for drafting him and pushing AR out all in the same maneuver. At that point, Gute better find the answers to the loss of AR, be it through the draft or free agency.

Love might pan out. I am just looking at the probabilities of finding in the drat a franchise QB, period, much less an elite QB. Gute does have some capital after the team when 13-3 x 2, and obviously another good season in 2021.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 29, 2021 at 01:02 pm

(Sigh) What we wish for...

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Oppy's picture

December 30, 2021 at 10:37 am

I believe that Rodgers' actions and demeanor in 2019 under a new HC after the team basically acquiesced to him with the decision to fire MM and "take (rodgers') side" to end 2018 are what set the Packers' intended course in stone.

"Don't be the problem" was answered in action with "I'm Aaron Rodgers, I do what I want" in 2019. It does not help that Rodgers play for a few years seemed to indicate deterioration- and it was deteriorating, but more because he didn't put in the work like he used to. That only seemed to change when Love was drafted in 2020.

Keep in mind, Rodgers contract was extended in 2018. I believe it was extended with the idea that the Packers needed time to find a QB to groom, but they also needed years left on Rodgers' contract when the predicted timeline would require a changing of the guard so they would have value in Rodgers' contract to command some compensation in a trade. Rodgers still had years on his contract in 2018; extending him AFTER they drafted a QB would have entirely changed Rodgers' representation's mindset coming to the table.

I think while Rodgers' play was a part of the decision to move on, it was Rodgers' attitude that placed the organization in the mindset to move to the future more than anything. Especially after this previous offseason drama and Rodgers' decision to use his first presser at the podium to shit all over the front office.. there hasn't been a change of heart from management. That's my gut feeling.

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Oppy's picture

December 30, 2021 at 10:39 am

Perhaps the quick way to summarize; the current cap situation the Packers are facing in 2022 may not be a matter of being caught flat-footed, but rather, Rodgers 2018 Contract extension (which kicked in 2020, if I recall correctly) was designed with a built in poison pill. The Packers built the deal to force an eventual separation.

Edited my previous post because all my years were off by 1.

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flackcatcher's picture

December 29, 2021 at 01:16 pm

A simple reminder Cory. Nest time read TGR Cap articles here on CHTY. The hits you are getting here are well deserved for not understanding how deep the Packers are in Cap hell. For what it's worth, James has made understanding the economics of pro football clear to those of us who
"follow the money". Not understanding what is driving the Packers, is a massive error for a writer on a Packers Blog. (Especially one who has been posting as long as you have been...)

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