"We got penalties, that boring Dillon up the middle play that NEVER works for ONE yard, and we also got to see Josh Meyers totally miss on a block, let his man destroy the play AND drive, and Meyers who whiffed on his block land right on his ass. Just where he spends most of the game."

I watched a replay of that play on twitter last night. Runyan doubles the outside with Tom and doesn't go inside to double with Myers. Myers misses the block, but it almost looked like he was expecting help from Runyan with the way he fired off. At the end of the play Tom is looking at Runyan like why are you helping me. We can sit here and blame Myers all day long, but truthfully we don't know know what the blocking assignments are. I think there is a good chance that Runyan went the wrong way.

Hey NP: It's "Myers", not "Meyers". Otherwise thumbs up!

Did he not trust Rodgers last year? This O is remarkably similar to its predecessor despite that being anemic and the change at WB. The difference is the OL has regressed. Where is the illusion of complexity that we all thought Rodgers nixed? He’s not here and it’s not either. This O is as unimaginative as last year’s was.

The Dillon run is not going to succeed often with this OL. Teams have long figured out that Myers will whiff completely at times but that he can be pushed back into the runner or passer regularly. They know Runyon can be overpowered too. Placed together, that multiplies the vulnerabilities.

This is why we see runners getting taken down at handoff so often and pickets collapsing backwards in the passing game. Jones has the ability to squirt through at times, but he’s the exception to that rule and it’s not s recipe for his consistent success either.

It seems like Stenovich built this OL around Myers. Myers better games are barely exceeding viable back up ratings. This OL is conceptually flawed. It’s not just Walker over Nijman. It starts with Myers. It includes Tom at RT. Tom is our best OL at this point (though Jenkins was much better last week than he has been this season). However, Tom is miscast.

Teams have figured out that you don’t have to beat his feet, you can just move him either back to his QB or yo create an inside lane. That’s where the multiple pressures he is giving up each week have arisen. It’s a waste of talent and it is allowing teams to get pressure they’re from power not stars and to free their best rushers to attack elsewhere.

The disaster of our OL is from the core premises it is built on by the looks of it. I hopefully don’t need to say much about Walker over Nijman, but on the blind side of all places with a bee QB? That’s insane. This OL is flawed conceptually and, per experts, technically too. If not drastically shaken up the results won’t change.

If the results don’t change then we won’t run the ball to victory very often even against poor run Ds. Similarly, we don’t get a workable environment to really start getting a rational grasp on Love. No QB us going to thrive when we can’t run and the O line either whiffs on route 1 or retreats meets him 5 yards in the back field regularly.

It’s not rocket science. It is repeated every game. The result is that I’ve looks less decisive and confident weekly. Regardless of how hood he is or isn’t, that tells us his key coaches are retarding his progress, not developing it. Certainly other teams, as they did last year, seem to have a pretty good handle on what this team is trying to do on O as well.

Predictability of intent as well as predictable flaws leads to the first halves we see, exacerbated by drops, penalties and other errors of inexperience. As Wahle and others note, none of this changes week-to-week. None of these failings alone make it this bad, but together they compound it. We improve when playing desperation ball (somewhat). That should tell us all we need to alone about the impact of the coaching versus the talent.

It’s time to stop looking at the trees and see the Forrest. This O is rotten from conception up in virtually every facet. No player is going to thrive or develop effectively in this environment and thus judging their upside is impossible.

Vince Lombardi never played in the NFL.

I know you and many want Mlf fired and I question if that is the right move. IMO, this roster has a lack of talent and/or too young that make far too many mistakes. As a Coach can you stop a player from missing a catch or running a wrong route, not making a tackle, holding, false start….etc. I think not having enough veterans on this team shows with the amount of mistakes that happen. I stated many times during the off season they needed some experience in the pass catcher room. I think it’s funny when people state Mlf play calling stinks. If players don’t execute the play how do you know? It’s easy to state a play was bad after the fact. Reality when it does work people state what a great play call.

Back to Coaching, I’ve challenged folks to debate whether a Coach should be fired when there is a very young roster and/or lack of talent. Certainly, Packers fall into this category. Belechick is in a similar situation. Should he be fired? How about Shanahan, who arguably has the best roster loses 3 in a row. No excuse for that. Maybe it’s play calling. Until, you scrutinize every teams coach, roster and play calling, etc….can you be a good judge of your own coach. Obviously, with a better roster/QB Mlf showed he can Coach with 3 years in a row with 13 wins. What was funny then is I remember some of the same people criticizing Rodgers for not running Mlf plays. It seems some people unfairly criticize due to lack of knowledge or seeking the glass half empty scenario.

Campbell’s coaching wasn’t even talked about until he started winning, now he is the messiah….lol. My concern about firing Mlf is you become a franchise who goes through coaches every few years and we fall back to the 70’ & 80’s. I know people might laugh at that statement, but I believe conviction in continuity is more important than the grass is greener on the other side. There’s a reason the top Franchises have the least turnover, they don’t allow their fans to dictate their path and stay the course through easy and tough times. Stick with Mlf at least through another year to see how he develops this young team.

Who knows what he's familiar with? They hardly use it. High school dives and swing passes is all they have time for.

he knows the offense.
He just can't throw the ball
to execute it.

exactly...what was he doing for 3 years?? What were the coaches doing with him? I think maybe MLF doesn't trust Love because he's seen him for 3 years and knows he cant trust him...I watched for 3 years training camp, he has no "wow" factor at all...my bet is he wont be the Packer QB in 3 years...another rebuild...

I keep saying the same thing. Technically he's a 4 year Veteran football player! He's in his 4th season. I expected WAY MORE than this. He looks like any late round draft pick rookie! What he been doing for the last 3 seasons, playing tiddlywinks! Nothing to see here folks, no IT FACTOR on display. He's any mediocre backup QB in the NFL right now. Not only is he not a starting QB, he's not even going to be an adequate backup in this league.

A Pig in a Poke!

I think he's very familiar with the offense.

Opposing defenses? Not so much. And I can't blame him, considering how often they're in his backfield.

I’m with you on the O-line priority. Look what it’s done for Detroit. Has any team EVER regretted having a great O-line? Sure, receivers are shiny toys, (sorry, Marvin H),and they definitely have value, but the line has to come first.

Show me an offense that has excelled with a crap line. I’ll wait.

That's why he drafted Van Ness to be a part time player. Why snag an OT with #11, we'll hedge Bhaktiari can manage to show up for the weekend matches after rehabbing during the practice sessions and continue the musical chairs at RT, looking for Bulaga's replacement ( 2010 rookie fills in for a SB win).

You guys are killing me. So we need a superbowl roster minus the QB to effectively judge talent? I submit Sam Howell. Dude is literally running for his life yet has a higher completion percentage. Stop already.

Daniel Jeremiah wrote: Love has great arm talent. Has good mobility and can throw many angles. But he tends to make poor decisions, throwing into double and triple coverage. He also is inaccurate on deep balls. Hmmmm, sounds familiar. I would add he has no touch, either. Every ball is a missed. Especially short throws.
You are who you are. He's unlikely to change. Could he eventually be good? Maybe. But he will never be great. He was drafted in the same round as Burrow, Herbert and Tua. The Pack moved up to get him. I'm afraid he's our MITch Trubisky. Eventually backing up someone. But, everyone will wait to evaluate what is already visible. What's 2025 QB class look like🤔

"This is it, make Rich Bisaccia the HC and demote MLF to OC and play caller and see what happens until after Thanksgiving"

"Demotions" never happen. Out of season, some interim coaches have returned to coordinator roles, but usually the house-cleanings that come with hiring a new HC sweep out the majority (if not all) assistants. The most likely event is that LaF would either remain HC but forced to hand over playcalling to someone else (likely Stenavich as OC) or be canned if he refused (or just canned).

Everyone's enamored with Bisaccia--and he seems the likely internal interim HC candidate in case of a massive change--but I'd like to know what people think they're actually buying with him besides a bitchin' goatee. People want to say he saved the Raiders in 2021, but Gruden was a mess--who also was 3-2 when removed for non-football reasons--and Bisaccia went 7-5 after that. Arguably, that ship didn't "right itself", it just kept sailing on.

"Then put McGough in as QB to see what he can do and if they might want to keep him.....I am not sold on drafting a QB in the 1st next year"

I don't know if Love is the guy. I've always said that they need to assess quickly (which really means over a whole season in my view) whether he is or not, and then act. I agree with the sentiment that this team is failing in so many ways offensively right now that we really don't know much about anyone. Benching Love for a CFL guy who you signed off your PS and was never able to make a 53 means you're done with Jordan Love--that's the end of that path. It's rare for a team to "about face" on a decision like that. It makes him a focus of blame and a poison pill for the fan base, justly or not, and means they will need to be drafting a QB high in 2024.

Did Holmgren fail Favre? He had Brunell waiting in the wings, keeping pressure on the grifter to figure it out, or be benched. Competition, not a hug session..

Thr OC doesn't throw the ball

Well only one traded away. Agreed that JL10 is in a bad position. A nightmare, if you will.

I think we already know what we have in #2. He's a GREAT backup for this organization, but he's not competing for the #1 role or position.

O line. Fix the O line! Fundamentals including footwork. It's called FOOTBALL. MLF isn't doing that, obviously. He can't even manage timeouts while playcalling, and that was obvious last season (if not before) Certainly he's not up to his current task, and probably isn't an NFL HC. Whether he could be competent as OC is TBD, but absolutely should be tried.

Unfortunately, we expect that will not happen, and nothing remotely like that will happen. Probably not next season, either.

2-15?

"Moving Stenavich to offensive coordinator did something..."

I completely agree. I feel like Stenavich was a great OL coach. But last year and this year our offense has struggled. One common thing is that Stenavich got promoted to OC. Well the OL also has struggled both years and the play calling/game planning has went downhill.

I get that injuries have played a huge part in the OL play. But the OL has underperformed last year and this year. One common theme is Stenavich is not longer the OL coach.

If Stenavich isn't calling plays, what do we REALLY know about him as OC? I would argue the answer is: not much.

My view is that LaF had to make a choice two years ago: promote Getsy to OC and lose Stenavich to an outside hire, or promote Stenavich and have Getsy hired away. He chose Stenavich--which, honestly, is what I would've done, too--but the offense still looks about the same in terms of personnel and play-calls as prior to his elevation.

I think most NFL coaches suffer from "smart-guy" syndrome and think they know best. It takes some ego to ascend to the level these guys are coaching at. The fact that this offense isn't evolving and changing in the face of evidence that clearly shows opponents have adjusted to what the Packers did early on says that LaF thinks he's going to punch his way through this brick wall rather than figuring out how to go around, under, or over it.

Just saying: I don't think we know hardly anything about Stenavich as OC because the evidence is showing that the play-calls aren't getting it done, but Stenavich isn't making those calls.

"Stenavich was a good line coach, but a lot of the blame on what is happening around the offense must be placed squarely on his shoulders."

Agreed. Somehow, the collective wisdom of Steno, Getsy, Hackett, and LaFleur coupled with a HOF QB managed to have back-to-back successful seasons. Then coaches were poached, and Matt was forced to make decisions. Unfortunately, we've learned managing and hiring staff are not his strong suits.

There's a ton of "what ifs" to consider. The only way out of this hole is to stop digging.

Excellent analogy! GPG!

Love your salesperson analogy. You can be great at one thing, but that doesn’t mean it will translate to another.

I submit Sam Howell

Agreed. Put him back where he belongs, and we have to assume Butkus is deliberately harming the organization and needs to go to Chicago.

Good post. It would have taken me 3 hours to come up with all those analogies. Longer to try to remember the names of the references. HA!

" It's gotten so extreme the Packers face off against two opponents on Sunday; the other team and themselves."

This is the truth. They have been beating themselves more then the opposing team has been beating them. Which is good and bad at the same time.

This game we had what 9 penalties? We had 6+ drops. You can't win many games dropping 5 first downs and a TD. And the penalties are absolutely killing this team.

Once they stop beating themselves, they can maybe start beating other teams.

Excellent post Savage. I mentioned in a post yesterday about the lack of locker room leadership and accountability. The roster changes seem to have left this team sorely lacking in veteran leadership.

“They are getting used to losing”—That is the scary part.

Savage,

the only possible redemption of giving Rasul away is if the team figures there's no hope but decides to play hard anyway, just for the fun of it. If that takes the imaginary pressure off and gets them back to playing loose, obviously that's a step in the right direction.

We've gone from thinking this was a year to evaluate to we can't even do that, and need to scramble to develop these guys somehow. Because they're regressing instead.

The Rams came out of Dallas all beat up. With the bye following the Packers and the Rams sitting at 3-5 (but having played better recently) I wouldn't be surprised to see them sit a bunch of their wounded (i.e. Stafford), try to eke out a win against a Packers team lacking in hap (I didn't want to say hapless), and limp into their bye to regroup and make a run in a very weak NFC. The Rams also could come out really pissed off and hammer the Packers.

This Packers team isn't scaring anybody. At some point they'll surprise us with a game or two where they look efficient and score some points (odds say it will happen eventually), but I'll be damned if I know when that will be.

Knives out

Doesn't it seem like instead of a building season it's becoming a blow-up season?

Do they have to completely blow up BEFORE they rebuild?