With Policy taking over as president it will be interesting to see if he gives up control of hiring and terminating the Head Coach or if he will turn it over to the GM.

I believe if he makes the change he will not do it until the end of the season. If he does turn it over to Gute I believe he will advise him to get rid of MLF if we do not at least go deep into the playoffs. The team is set up to score points. If this team does not score points it is the fault of the OC and play caller who is MLF.

I wonder how this team would have preformed if MLF was the OC/play caller and there was a HC. My belief is we would have been a better team.

Making the playoffs the last two years as the 7th seed does not cut it for me. I want to see them be the threat they have been by winning the division and challenging for the SB every year.

"On July 25, Ed Policy will officially succeed Mark Murphy as president, chairman and CEO of the Packers. How patient will Policy be if the Packers stub their toe in the division or make another quick exit from the playoffs? Will he be quick to hire his guy and build the team in his image?"

I can't wait!!

What I hope is Policy doesn't do a damn thing with MLF. What I hope for is that Gutey is allowed to be the General Manager of the Green Bay Packers. Gutey should be able to do his job the SAME way Ted Thompson and Ron Wolfe were allowed to do theirs. Policy is a smart man. I'm hoping he has a little more Bob Harlan in him than Mark Murphy.

Once we have that in place THEN I'll worry about Matt LaFleur and if his seat is hot...

I hope MLF keeps turning off the noise.
And can still show the growth and improvement
he was hired for.

I dont think he should be anywhere close to being let go. He has been tasked to win a title in the pros, while the front office treats the roster just slightly better than a college team does when it comes to turnover due to draft and develop emphasis.

According to an AI search during the MLF era...

Free Agents Signed with Significant Playing Time (2019–2025): 15
Packers’ Own Free Agents Let Leave with Significant Playing Time (2019–2025): 18
Definition of Significant Playing Time: I used a consistent threshold (8+ starts, >50% snaps, or All-Pro special teams contributions)

The Packers’ strategy under LaFleur and GM Brian Gutekunst emphasizes youth, there are ups and downs with young players. no matter how good or great the coaching is there will be more of these ups and down because of that youth.

We are a very good team every year. This limits the Blue Chip players we have a chance to draft for MLF. Just look at the 1st round picks he has been given to work with these players should be difference makers. Only Love could be considered in that category.

Gary = good
Savage = bad
Love = very good
Stokes = bad
Walker = inconsistent goodish?
Wyatt = average
Van Ness = average
Morgan = TBD
Golden = TBD

MLF's seat should be warm. This will be his 7th season as the Packers HC. He needs to show that he has improved his pre game preparation and that he has improved his in game decision making. Especially during the playoffs and against the better teams in the league. Given the Packers schedule for this season he needs to get the team off to a fast start.

However we need to see how the teams comes through TC and the pre season games before we can evaluate the Packers possibilities for the regular season.
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To me, the whole “hot seat” thing is about falling short of expectations. Sometimes, the folks determining those expectations are reasonable, and sometimes they’re full of crap. Who knows what Policy expects? I think Gutey’s “urgency” remarks after last season were an indicator. NFL.com recently ranked the GB roster 8th best overall. Does that make them SB contenders?

LaFleur's seat is not getting warm. That won't happen unless the team has a disappointing season, which I would define as either missing the playoffs or being one-and-done again. Even then, it would depend on how much of the underachievement is due to LaFleur and how much is due to other factors, i.e. injuries. I think things would have to go horribly wrong for LaFleur to get fired after this season.

Having a new team president does change the equation. The guy in charge will no longer be the guy who hired LaFleur. I just don't think Ed Policy, being more of a business guy than a football guy, would make such a bold football move after being in charge for only one season--unless, as I mentioned earlier, things went horribly wrong on the football field.

The seats are always warm for NFL (Not For Long) HC's. The Packers are more stable and less likely to have over reactions to disappointment than most teams and thus are more successful than most. MLF has had some very disappointing games in the playoffs and has seen his team out played and outcoached several times (think Tampa Bay and SF). That said we can't forget how young our coach was when hired. Yes he has learned some hard lessons but these experiences will benefit him in the long run as long as we stick with him. Last year was a tough draw getting Philly right away. That said we played pretty well after a poor start in that game. I am pretty optimistic that we are very close. This may be the year as long as we get some reasonable luck with injuries. With the youth on this team it may well be the start to a dominant stretch. I also want to comment about our talent. For some reason the consensus seems to be we have average talent and Gute hasn't drafted particularly well. Total bunk! You don't compete and win games like the Packers have done without top notch talent. One good playoff run and these same players will be lauded as 'great'. Don't be down on the team because we don't have a Justin Jefferson or Aiden Hutchinson. Neither of those players teams have hoisted a Lombardi either. I like the team we have and look forward to this season! GPG!

MLF has to turn things around by getting this team to win against our North foes, and in order to do that, the team has to win it's games at Lambeau Field. Reinstill pride in being a Green Bay Packer. Carry The G.

Cory's line about " . . . deer in the headlights stare" is the heart of mlf's problem.
He does not have control of his environment.
Probably promoted too high, too fast.
He has not grown in this part of the game noticeably in his 6 years.
I hope he's on a hot seat, and I hope he puts out the fire by winning a super bowl.
I also hope someone takes the challenge flag out of his hands until he's able to think clearly during a tight game.
GPG!

In the NFL it mostly boils down to talent. There are a few really talented coaches like Andy Reid but the majority are guys who are competent. The difference between winning and losing almost always stacks up to talent.
Dan Campbell can huff and puff all he wants but he's winning because the Lions finally drafted well and made some great free agent/trade signings. Ditto for the Vikings. The Bears will likely be better because they appear to have broken out of the "What would George Halas do?" mentality and joined the modern NFL.

If anyone's seat is warm I think it has to be Gute. It's his job to marshal the talent. MLF seems to fall into the competent slot but I think you would find another coach not doing much more because the 'blue chip' players are fewer than the other teams. Part of the issue is the Packers have been drafting low for years due to solid play on the field. The Lions benefited from drafting high for many years as have the Bears.

It's easy to blame the coach but the reality is I don't think Andy Reid could take the Packers to the Super Bowl with this talent. Remember the old saying about being fearful of what you ask. The next coach could lead the Packers to high draft picks and lots of losing just as easily as being able to take the team to the Super Bowl.

Let's take a look at NFL head coaches tenure:

1. Mike Tomlin 2007- present

2. John Harbaugh 2008-present

3. Andy Reid 2013 - present

4. Sean McDermott 2017 - present

5. Sean McVay 2017 - present

6. Kyle Shanahan 2017- present

7. Matt LaFleur 2019 - present

Would you swap LaFleur for any coach above him other than Andy Reid? Players love to play for Tomlin, but the Steelers offer up mediocrity annually. Harbaugh's Ravens shit the bed when the stakes are highest. Kyle the Genius still presides over a trophyless regime. And, the Seans? I guess it depends on the day.

Yes, LaFleur should feel pressure and expectations should be high for his team, but the grass ain't always greener, wine ain't sweeter, either side of the hill.

Oh, good lord Cory.

The one big thing that LaFleur needed to do when he came to GB would turn out to be his Achilles heel. He didn't find a way to get Rodgers to buy into the system. Unlike McCarthy, who in his first years, forced Rodgers to become an extension of his offense, Rodgers was always going to look for Adams when the chips were down. In the championship game you cite, why settle for the FG? Because Rodgers had thrown passes to Adams twice, not even looking to see if anyone else was open (spoiler alert: there were better options). Rather than have Rodgers throw another pass to Adams in double coverage, he settled for the points, and hoped the defense could step up. Real bad idea.
He is an excellent OC. Innovative, creative and sharp, As a HC, he gets overwhelmed. LaFleur is just a bit over his head, and it could well take a coaching change to bring the Lombardi back home. But there are no guarantees. Just hope when the new guy comes in, and renewed hope when he is replaced.

The Packers would really have to crap the bed this season to put LaFleur on the hot seat. Teams that replace a winning HC usually do worse with the new guy. If it was Hafley replacing him that might get some consideration, as awkward as it would be.

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everything starts from the head. murphy. he has been not only mediocre but a disgrace for the packers.
that is why wa have a GM without all GM power. we have an HC on the same line of the GM considering lafleur has direct access to mutphy. we have a bust QB we trade up for him even if we were in depserate need of 1 piece to go to the SB.
so, first we need to wait for that great moment when murphy wil be OUT (FINALLY!!!!) and so we'll have a new head. then we will see what policy will do, I hope and think he will change the structure giving the GM the real power and the HC will come back to do just the HC, at that point we will be able to understand the real values on the field and later decisions will come.
my opionion is policy will do this january 26:
1. fire gutey
2. fire lafleur
3. release love

MLF does not have the personnel infrastructure most successful teams have. He does not have a strong, successful OC to whom he can delegate. As a CEO he is not comfortable addressing his weaknesses and hiring those with stronger talent in those areas. Therefore, because he is over-stretched, he either ignores segments of the team, ie., Special Teams or over-delegates to so-so coaches and does not have the time (interest?) in holding them accountable. It would be different if he invested more time and effort into hiring Hafley-level postional coaches who could be trusted to operate independently at a superior level, but he seems to be very complacent in much of what a HC should be addressing. He acts much more like an OC than a HC and has not shown growth. Perhaps he was hampered by Murphy?
IMO, this is a structural problem and he does not have the business sophistication nor (interest) in building a proper system.
I think it will take several years, but slowly, ever-so-slowly, the Packers will make changes but it will take several years of poor showing. I do not think either LaFleur nor Gutekunst are the leaders of the future. They are in over their heads when comparing them to their colleagues on current divisional teams.

We do not know what Ed Policy brings. We also do not know if Murphy is actually moving away from GB. If not, will he exert influence over Policy via a Board/Business position?

It probably should be. Especially if "It's time to start winning championships." I'm not sure why it's all of a sudden that time when I've heard "Loads of talent" and "Superbowl contender" for a number of years. They couldn't do it when Rodgers was still there and they just made the playoffs last year and got eliminated like everyone (honest people) thought they would.

He's either not as good of a coach as people want to claim he is, or this team isn't "loaded" with talent. I think it's a combination of both. If he's the offensive mastermind he's supposed to be, then the O should be better than average. But if they missed the playoffs this season, I wouldn't be surprised...at all.

Changing head coaches (and likely coordinators then) would be taking a huge step backwards for a young roster like this. It puts everyone back to square one learning new systems and often means reshaping a roster. Citing one decision by LaFleur years ago in the playoffs is not a basis for thinking a guy should be gone. And how do you know the next guy won’t be worse? I’ve read threads where Eagles fans wanted Serianni fired at this time last year. Probably eating crow now.

Firing a guy who took the youngest team to the playoffs in the QBs first year starting doesn’t make sense to me. Plus he revitalized Rodgers after the McCarthy era. I don’t think he could call the plays he wanted to last year with Love’s injuries. This is still a young team and they will all grow together.

Can both things be true at once? Glad he’s ours during the regular season but should be on the accountability seat for the postseason? Seems to vapor lock (to often) in the biggest moments in the biggest games of the postseason.