The first thing to change is MLF needs to run the ball more. We have a very good RB that is backed up by two good RBs and he continues to pass the ball when we are getting good yards running the ball.

Stop cheering Go Pack Go and start cheering Run Matt Run and maybe he will get the clue.

"Some pass rush will help the secondary which will help the pass rush"

We definitely need to get more pass rush. Better secondary play will help the pass rush as it will give the pass rush a little bit more time to get tot he QB. So getting Alexander back to me is the biggest key. At this point, just get him healthy for the playoffs. Thats is when we need him.

I can't believe I'm about to say this.. But... I agree with you Bearmeat. :)

I'm not saying they will win it all, but can they? Yes, absolutely.
There is not much separating any of these teams. I think the key is them getting healthy. They get healthy, they can absolutely go into anyones house and beat them.

I think it is about more than just the players Bearmeat. LeFleur needs to be better with his offensive game plans, particularly early in the game. Too many games this year the Packers have been poor in the first half and fallen behind. They have the offensive firepower to catch up and often do (and sometimes win the game), but why can't they score more early in the game?

I think LaFleur needs to take a hard look at his game plans. Too often they get stymied in the first half due to poor plays calls that seem to play into the teeth of the defense. I think Lafleur is getting outcoached in game prep too often. Getting injured players back will help, but getting our "offensive genius" to act like it during the first half will also help.

Alexander is earning the rep of being the best CB in NFL history who rarely plays.

I'm hoping the coaches are just holding back till the playoffs. In previous years they've shown and tried everything and played teams that hadn't.

The only thing they can't hold back is blocking and tackling, which had better improve for this to be a legitimate playoff team.

We might not find answers but I'm kind of hoping we start finding some key pieces coming back.

I'd like to see them get Alexander and Cooper back. Those are 2 huge pieces on defense. Also I want to see Williams get back to safety.

And then I'd like to see them get back a few pieces offensively. Doubs hopefully will be able to come back. We are better with our main 4.
Jordan Morgan, while is the 6th man, if there is something in the game that happens Morgan can step in and you don't lose much. We need that piece back.
Musgrave should be able to come back soon. He is a piece that can absolutely help the offense. He provides a presence. He is a guy that can stretch a defense in a different way.
And a guy who I want to see come back but not sure what he can provide is Lloyd. He could provide a spark from the backfield. He has the speed to be very dangerous. I am not sure he will be able to contribute much this year, but as the weather gets colder he can provide a boost. Lets not forget last year Jones came back late and provided a boost. Lets not forget when James Starks came in at the end of the year as a rookie and gave them a spark at RB. Lloyd could be that kind of guy late in the year.

MLF has repeatedly and frequently said we are a good team, even in 2022. To be fair, I don’t know of many coaches who say the opposite.

"Seattle is a tough place to play, and they'll score."

Seattle currently is 3-4 at home.
At home, they beat the Broncos, Dolphins, Cardinals. They lost to Giants, 49ers, Bills, Rams.

Seattle is averaging 23.2 points per game. They have scored 30 or more 1 time all year. They scored over 30 another game but the defense scored the TD.

Packers are averaging 26.8 points per game. have scored offensively 30 or more 5 times. They scored a defensive TD in another 30+ game.

I liked Charbonnet. A Dorsey Levens type back and he is now getting his stride. Seattle is playing very efficiently.
Expect another nail-biter.

Well said!

You're on fire today RC!! Well done.

YES RC!! The Packers ARE a very good team.

I don't even take the opening day loss into consideration. None of our starters had played in the preseason and we still almost won that game against one of the best teams in the league.

That was a horrible pick six against the Lions. Then we had the break, and when we came back from the break, we threw the ball a lot less, stopped turning it over, and we've scored 30 three games in a row. I'd call that an adjustment.

so when do they get over the hump and beat the best teams in front of them?? This year, next year, hopefully soon...at least next year the "young" shouldn't be the excuse anymore...it was last year, it is this year...and all it is is an excuse...these guys have played lots of football nothing is new to them, they can either perform or the cant.

RC—excellent—gracias!!

Having Cooper & Williams in there doesn’t change that?

Cooper being able to play will change that.

Also getting Alexander changes the way they can play the safety's. They can bring the safety's down in the box more often.

Getting some of these players back definitely changes the defense.

"'if Cooper isn’t back and healthy, we need to risk Hopper and perhaps Oladapo as a big S."

This is something that I have been thinking about a lot lately. McDuffie has become such a liability in the passing game, I wonder if they would consider going to a big safety look with 3 Safety's and 1 LB. Oladapo I think could be really good in that role.

I don't think they can continue to just keep going with the same looks defensively if they don't have the pieces they want out there.

CW - We can make do at CB.
The Pass Rush is the problem.
It's not consistent.

The Offense will be OK.
More time is needed.
But priority #! is catching the ball.

No matter how this team looks on paper.
The motivation and mind set is sporadic.
Like MLF says- It's Gut check time

I like what you say about risking the play of Hopper and Oladapo to seek improvement—I’m with you on this. We can always change back.

I seldom reply on comments but you are absolutely right in what you stated. About the only issue I would disagree with is the receivers. I think Green Bay has enough talent at WR and additional seasoning will make them better.
The biggest difference between last year and this year is them playing as a team. Miss- communication in coverages and along the OL seem to be greater this season verses last year.
Just MHO

BINGO..."coached by smart leaders"....who know how to motivate...they have top shelf staffs at important positions, which the Packers do not have...Packers hold onto their position coaches way too long...

It's a bit much to say definitively that the Packers will not win the Super Bowl. The last time they won a Super Bowl, they were 6-6 after 12 games and needed help to get into the playoffs. The Packers have enough talent to be contenders if they get some players healthy and get hot in the playoffs. They were contenders in the playoffs last season, and I think they have a little more potential this year.

Chris Jones weighs 310 lbs. 325+ DTs that can provide some pass rush are like winning lottery tickets. It's a shame Dexter Lawrence's best years are wasting away on the Giants because he's truly a freak among freaks. There's a DT from Kentucky, Deone Walker, listed at 6'-6" 345 lbs that was very active as a rusher in '23 but not so much this year. His pressures dropped from 51 to 21 and his sacks from 8 to 4.

BTW there's four DTs over 325 lbs in the top 100 on PFF's Big Board and another three listed at 320. Between 100-250 there's only one over 325 lbs and that one is at 109. If Slaton walks and they need a replacement they'll most likely have to grab one in the 1st
three rounds but it's a good year for good big men.

I don't think those 'expensive' DL players are going to come through in a substantive way. Packers have to accept and learn from it.

Devonte Wyatt is starting to play better the last couple weeks but still not close to how he looked in the 1st few games before his injury. He did make a couple stops in run D against the Lions which is a very positive sign for him but I'm guessing the high ankle sprain robbed him of some explosion which was his main pass rushing attribute.

They really needed Wyatt or Brooks to take a big step this year and unfortunately Wyatt got hurt and Brooks hasn't been as effective as last year. In Brooks' case it's a small step back and one big game could put him on track to duplicate his numbers from last year.

You dance with the one that you brought. It's kind of late in the day to be making changes. Better to focus on what you can do with what you have than to hope for something different.

Here's the deal on Stokes. He's on the team for four more games, plus playoffs. After the season, he'll test the FA waters and leave Green Bay. We might get a Day 3 comp pick for him. As for this next week, we'll hope that he plays well on his snaps. Without Alexander, he's our best cover corner on the field.

Wouldn't mediocrity mean playing .500 ball?

there's a certain inevitability to it, you don't even have to squint to see it.

Technically, you could fold a flat circle twice, resulting in a 90 degree angle, or corner.

I know that's not relevant, it just jumped into my head.

I might also point out that time keeps on slippin’, slippin’, slippin’, into the future.

Hat's off to you, Leonard, for the original take. I really don't know where the game is won anymore or if it even matters.

I'll tell you this, in all sincerity as we circle the drain, someone's gonna get paid, man, and it's not gonna be us.