Cory's Corner: Embrace The History, Don't Run From It

Winning two Super Bowls with a pair of Hall of Fame quarterbacks aren't setbacks. 

People can never have enough. 

When they get one birdie, they instantly want another. When they hit a home run, they complain until they get the second. 

The same goes for Super Bowls. I would argue that winning a Super Bowl is the trickiest thing to do in all of team sports. There are 11 players on a field at time and if one person doesn’t do his job, the entire thing will come crashing down like a house of cards. 

Former CheeseheadTV.com scribe Zach Kruse wrote an interesting piece about the Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers years. However, the one thing this has spawned is the age-old bickering that reminds me about when Wisconsinites debate about what the definition of “Up north” means. (I’ve always thought that you enter the pearly gates of “Up north” as soon as you drive north of Wausau.)

Dating back to 1992, the year that Favre threw that unforgettable pass to Kitrick Taylor on Sept. 20 vs. Cincinnati, to now, the Packers have won two Super Bowls and have lost one.

Yet, instead of celebrating what the Packers have accomplished, many remain upset that the Packers didn’t accomplish more with two Hall of Fame quarterbacks. From 1992, the Packers have started eight starting quarterbacks: Don Majkowski, Favre, Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Seneca Wallace, Scott Tolzien, Brett Hundley and Jordan Love. 

Think about that for a second. The Packers have enjoyed remarkable success dating back to 1992 but unfortunately, many think that if you don't win a Super Bowl, the season is a failure. I don’t believe in that, simply because winning a championship is so difficult. 

Think about if Favre throws it to a different receiver in the 2007 NFC Championship Game. Giants coach Tom Coughlin won’t be remembered as toughing out a really cold game with those purple cheeks, but ultimately coming up short when it mattered most. Then there’s the 2014 NFC title game in Seattle. That’s the game that just about everyone wants to forget because the way that the Seahawks came back, even after all these years, still doesn’t make any sense. The Packers were up 19-7 with 10:53 left in the fourth quarter and still found a way to blow it. 

I’m sure Dan Marino and Jim Kelly would love to have just one ring on their finger. After watching the ESPN documentary “Four Falls Of Buffalo,” Bills fans waited for the team to come back to Buffalo — after Scott Norwood pushed a 47-yard field goal wide right with eight seconds left. Super Bowl XXV was the Bills — until it wasn’t and then they went back to the Super Bowl three straight years after that and got destroyed each year. And I guarantee you that Bills fans are not complaining about what might have been. 

The good thing in all of this is that the measuring stick is set high because of how the Packers turned Green Bay into Titletown. Thanks to Vince Lombardi, Ray Nitschke and others, the 1960s Packers have set the bar awfully high. It’s kind of like when the Yankees don’t advance to the World Series, all fans of the Pinstripes instantly exhale in deep disappointment. 

While the Packers fell short of the ultimate goal numerous times during the Favre and Rodgers’ eras, that doesn’t mean that both were failures. It means that the NFL is beyond difficult and a team needs all 11 guys to be rowing in the same direction. That also includes coaches, including Matt LaFleur, who opted to kick a 26-yard field goal on fourth-and-goal from the 8 with 2:05 left with the Packers down eight in the 2020 NFC Championship Game. 

I don’t think there has been complete buy-in on all levels of this team and that’s why the ultimate prize hasn’t been achieved. Yes, this team has had two Hall of Fame quarterbacks, but those guys aren’t going to win a title by themselves. Tom Brady didn’t win his first three rings without the help of a veteran defense led by Rodney Harrison. 

Football is the ultimate team sport and blaming two guys for the ills of the entire team is completely shortsighted. 

 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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Bure9620's picture

July 08, 2023 at 07:43 am

I certainly take the 2 titles, but it is pretty difficult to say with 2 Hall of Famers over 30 years this is a great success. Particularly Rodgers having only been to 1....it is not his talent that was the issue. Poor play in the playoffs, rarely scoring more than 21 points. In fact only the niners game in 2013, 31 points and Tampa, 26 points did the offense score more than 21. It is pretty difficult to say these were all successful seasons as these teams were built for championships. Aaron Rodgers has been to 1 Super Bowl, Brady has been to 10.

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egbertsouse's picture

July 08, 2023 at 07:55 am

I remember when I graduated from UW-Madison I went to an interview with a company in Eau Claire and said how happy I was to be up north. I was run out of the room.
Apparently, US Hwy 8, not US Hwy 29 as the author suggests, is the delineation line in those parts.

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SpikeHyzer's picture

July 08, 2023 at 03:13 pm

We had to drive south around 15 miles to reach Hwy 8, and then took that to get to college in Eau Claire. So I guess I lived up north for most of my childhood. Wausau was well south.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 11, 2023 at 05:49 pm

Man it DOES get different north of 8 :)

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NickPerry's picture

July 08, 2023 at 09:05 am

Hell, Ron Wolf called the SB Win by that Favre team a "Fart in the wind"...

Blame Ron Wolf...HE, started all the complaining!!

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croatpackfan's picture

July 08, 2023 at 09:24 am

Cory, you lost me at "That also includes coaches, including Matt LaFleur, who opted to kick a 26-yard field goal on fourth-and-goal from the 8 with 2:05 left with the Packers down eight in the 2020 NFC Championship Game. "

What would you do in MLF position? Allow 4th throw in the row to double or triple covered Davante. Heck, FPQB tried 3 time in the row to well covered DA instead to toss the ball to open WR (Lazard inside 5 yard line alone), or open runing lane from 7 yards for QB for TD that left open and unused.

That decision was what every coach would do. Because Packers needed TD and 2 POINTS conversion just to make game equal. That was rightful decision at that moment in which Packers D kept Tampa bay offense almost scoreless, expecting to get ball quickly back to Packers O.

FPQB made from that decision sign how Packers did not respects him. Hell they didn't, 150 mill $ times proved they respected him. But get nozhing from him. Absolutely nothing.

I also supose that QBs are allowed to disrespect their HC and HC jobs by not doing what they asked from QB. Because every change of called play on line of scrimnage just because you do not like that play, or, what is more often with FPQB, QB thinks he knows better.

We saw the result. The result is whinnig FPQB like baby about respect that everyone should show to him, while he is not man enough to show respect to his coleagues players, or coaches or FO or to the Packers. That shows cowardness, selfishnes and immature of FPQB.

So, despite your title suggests, I do not have need or power to change history or to forget it, just to correctly understand it.

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J-Rome's picture

July 08, 2023 at 11:35 am

I agree that Rodgers failures maybe played into that decision somewhat, but I think an even bigger factor was even if they tied the game the defense was going to have to stop Brady from driving for a field goal to win. Good luck with that. We were a Kevin king penalty away from being able to drive for the win, but it didn’t work and that’s all people remember.

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Coldworld's picture

July 08, 2023 at 10:19 am

It’s a win to get 2 Hall of Fame QBs in a row. That the organization should be proud of. Getting one Superbowl win each is a pretty poor return given such talent and longevity.

I think, had we looked at this in 2012, we might have seen things differently, but the ensuing decade has been a string of missed opportunities and poor management decisions from the very top. No, I don’t celebrate that.

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Bure9620's picture

July 08, 2023 at 01:46 pm

In that respect One could legitimately make the case the Packers have bee ln one of the more underachieving franchises in pro sports. I would obviously the it over be a Lions, Vikings or Bears fan but yeah, less to celebrate.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 11, 2023 at 05:55 pm

CW, for once I'll agree with your pessimism. Lots of FO errors, wasting the talent of #4 & # 12. The main things AR12 did not do that TB12 did are 1) give new targets all the reps they need in practice and 2) take a pay cut to strengthen the team. And really, most of AR12's career he wasn't that far off from TB12 in that regard.

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TarynsEyes's picture

July 08, 2023 at 10:50 am

Achieving a 2-1 SB record with back-to-back HOF QB's is a widely accepted acclaim for Packer fans, but the sting of not having more, especially when the table was set to do so, will not go away. The stings are a painful reminder of recent failures, all coming under the TT and Gute regimes, with Rodgers at the helm on the field. This is not to neglect the poor coaching decisions of both MM and MLF, and their obvious bad decisions to take away the opportunity to get to the SB, and deny the teams the chance to, at worst, lose in the SB, which would be a removal of some of the sting.

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Tundraboy's picture

July 09, 2023 at 09:43 pm

"but the sting......

What a great way to put it. It will be that way for a long time until the culture changes and a return to glory occurs but it will linger beyond for years.

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PhantomII's picture

July 08, 2023 at 11:49 am

I'm pretty sure the Bills fans wanted at least 1-SB win Corry. The Bills remind me a lot of the Packers over the Favre/ Rodgers eras. Really good teams that unfortunately find a way to let big games slip away in a variety of ways that leave your jaw on the floor in the way things unwind to the amazement....that you are left with..."you just cannot make-up" the way in which the team loses. Ok enough of that. On the flip side, I'm really looking forward to a Jordan Love era with a pretty solid young team around him. I think GB makes some noise and make the playoffs in 2023. I think we are an Offensive Juggernaut in 2024 and go to the show. Let's get it done GB. GPG

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mnbadger's picture

July 08, 2023 at 12:59 pm

thank you phantom.
I too am looking forward to 2023 and beyond.
Expectations only include Lombardi like focus on the single goal of the TEAM out executing the opponent during every play.
Team first - me last.
GPG!

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HawkPacker's picture

July 08, 2023 at 01:07 pm

'And I guarantee you that Bills fans are not complaining about what might have been. '

Not sure how you can guarantee this!

I would bet there is plenty of complaining on coming up short four times.

Minnie probably complains as well.

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Swisch's picture

July 08, 2023 at 01:29 pm

When it feels like the Packers played to their potential, it's satisfying.
When it feels like there's dysfunction holding back the team, there's a feeling that is dissatisfying, even sickening.
Unfortunately, it seems our two hall-of-fame quarterbacks were the cause of much dysfunction at the end of their careers.
Whatever their personal accomplishments, it seems Favre and Rodgers both began to underachieve as leaders. Both seemed to get lazy, and both seemed to become arrogant as far as doing too much of their own thing.
The result is that both superstars let down the Packers again and again in the latter half of their tenures with the team, becoming the fault line around which the Packers cracked and crumbled under pressure in crunch time.
In an NFC Championship Game disappointment against the Eagles (after the Packers defense gave up the infamous 4th-and-26), Favre heaved a high pass up for grabs in overtime that was intercepted. His intentions still seem mystifying and maddening.
With Rodgers, perhaps the most painful memory of playoff frustration is that late throw of futility into double coverage toward Davante against the 49ers, while Lazard was crossing absolutely wide open in the middle of the field.
While there are plenty of wonderful memories of both quarterbacks in their first years with the Packers, it's sad to say the record afterward seems checkered, with lots of headache and heartbreak mixed in with the good.
It's hard to accept the resulting missed opportunities due to egotistic quarterbacks who were the initiators of team dysfunction.
If I'm being too hard on our heroes, I'd be glad for other fans to give me reasons to feel better about them.

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13TimeChamps's picture

July 08, 2023 at 07:26 pm

"If I'm being too hard on our heroes....."

They're not our "heroes". They're football players. Good lord.

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marpag1's picture

July 08, 2023 at 07:58 pm

To you they are not heroes. Unfortunately, to others they are heroes. And therein lies the problem.

As I often say, I love sports, but I'm not so sure about athletes...

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Swisch's picture

July 08, 2023 at 09:49 pm

Gimme a break, 13TimeChamps.
If you want to disagree, go ahead; but don't make up an issue that doesn't exist; and don't then make a superior remark about an issue that doesn't exist.
I wrote a carefully worded post, and you glom onto one word that I used at the very end rather ambiguously, and which was not a key part of my thoughts.
If you can't help making a smug reply to one of my pathetic comments, there's always the option to skim and skip over them.
In other words, please leave me alone in my deficiencies, and move on.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 11, 2023 at 06:01 pm

Swisch, we've had multiple articles looking at different factors contributing to the lack of SB appearances during the Favre-Rogers era.

I really hope for redemption from that with JL10. 2025 is our first year to truly contend, IMHO. Following that with dominance would be our redemption ...

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mnbadger's picture

July 08, 2023 at 03:19 pm

Swisch, the actions of true heroes can stand up to critical evaluation.
I believe our 2 hof qb's fall dreadfully short of being called heroes.
Exciting, memorable - absolutely.
Heroes? - see Roberto Clemente, Pat Tillman, Jesse Owens, Roger Maris, Henry Aaron just to name a few.
No comparison.
I wonder what our grandchildren will know and think of our 2 hof'ers 50 years from now?
GPG!

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Johnblood27's picture

July 09, 2023 at 09:05 am

ummm...

Bart Starr has both of his hands raised (in heaven).

There was no better man, no better leader, no more heroic...

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Swisch's picture

July 09, 2023 at 11:15 am

Agreed, Johnblood27.
Also, it's worth noting that a person doesn't have to be perfect to be hero, for none of us are perfect.
Whether it's George Washington or Vince Lombardi, we can admire and celebrate the heroism of their best qualities while not ignoring their flaws and faults.
In that way we gain an appreciation of the virtue and valor in the past that made possible the good things we have in the present.
We also have role models to emulate at their finest so that we can bring the good things of the present into the future.
The bashing of heroes is a tactic to erase the best of the past, to overthrow the present, and to set up a radically different future -- which inevitably ends by benefitting only a tiny few cunning elitist of manipulation and intimidation, while resulting in widespread misery for the most of us.
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I agree the exaltation of athletes can go way too far, but that doesn't mean that we can't treasure them at all.
It can be good for us to get their autographs, collect their relics (e.g., game jerseys), and enshrine them in halls of fame.
It's a matter of perspective and proportion.
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I would go so far as to say that Favre and Rodgers are heroes, albeit tarnished heroes.
They remain as two of my favorite players of all time for what they did especially in the first half of their careers with the Packers.
The second half of their careers serve as cautionary tales about power often leading to corruption.
As a frail human, I can admire the good in people while not ignoring their frailties.
I can admit where they fell short and still admire where they rose to the occasion.
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I would consider Starr and Lombardi as higher heroes, while recognizing that even they had their limitations.
One consideration of heroes is that instead of being overwhelmed and discouraged by our moral failings, we are called to strive to overcome them.
Starr was excited and inspired when Lombardi, as the new head coach of the Packers, told his players that he was challenging them to be relentless in chasing perfection, knowing they would never catch it, but on the way would achieve excellence.
The result was a team of futility in the 1950s becoming a team of triumph in the 1960s, the greatest team in NFL history.
Love covers a multitude of sins, and Lombardi described the dynamic of his Packers with the word love.
A huge part of life is never giving up on life, even on ourselves.
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We all have something important and irreplaceable to contribute to society, even if it's only in little ways.
Mother Teresa would say that all of us can contribute mightily by doing little things with great love.
Whether we're the star quarterback or a member of the special teams, we have a key role to play in life that no one else can do in our stead.
I have a plaque of Lombardi with a quote which is hanging in my living room just behind me as I write (which I believe is a replica of the one outside of the lobby elevator at the hotel I stayed in during the winter of 2022 just a few blocks down from Lambeau Field):
"The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have."
In that sense, all of us are called to be heroes.

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Johnblood27's picture

July 10, 2023 at 10:39 pm

for you pos that downvoted me for this post, I hope you or your relatives never need a facility like the rawhide ranch.

google it if you dont know. Bart sponsored that organization and gave so much of himself to great causes throughout Wisconsin and Alabama.

If you do not know the man, do not deride accolades for him.

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Tundraboy's picture

July 09, 2023 at 09:47 pm

Selfishness outweighed their talent, no matter how great. Character matters. Now I'm that much more appreciative of growing up with Bart and all the legendary Packers. That's the culture that will forever be a part of me, simply watching in awe.

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Spock's picture

July 09, 2023 at 08:55 am

Lol, Cory, I loved the "Up North" 'debate'. I still can't get used to the people here in Tucson (I moved here from Wisconsin in 2005) asking me if I plan on going "Back EAST" anytime soon. When I say Wisconsin is in the MIDWEST they don't seem to get it. :)

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PhantomII's picture

July 09, 2023 at 01:04 pm

If you're further West...Youre moving East...no matter how you look at it...AND NORTH. LOL...you're really only mid west if you're living in it or talking with someone from the East Coast. Get it together Middle Easterner...LOL

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HarryHodag's picture

July 09, 2023 at 11:08 am

I think I have a perspective on just where "Up North" begins. Some say Highway 29 while others say U.S. 8.

I grew up in Antigo and today live in Rhinelander. To someone in southern Wisconsin Highway 29 seems like the Northwoods, but it isn't. It's lots of farms with some trees, streams and lake here and there.

Highway 8 is too far into the Northwoods to be the start of the Northwoods. Rhinelander sits on Highway 8.

I maintain the Northwoods begins north of Highway 64 which runs from Marinette through Antigo and Merrill. North of 64 you see the beginnings of most think of as the Northwoods. The farms begin to fade away.

Of course if you live in the Northwoods long enough you realize that many folks in the Badger state see Wisconsin as being south of a line from Green Bay to La Crosse. North of there they see that area as "Vacationland" or a place they won't go as it's too far from what's hot and trendy.

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LeotisHarris's picture

July 09, 2023 at 03:29 pm

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HarryHodag's picture

July 09, 2023 at 06:53 pm

It might. What college were the dorms located?

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LeotisHarris's picture

July 09, 2023 at 08:02 pm

Deleted. Sorry, Harry, that was a lot of personal info for anonymous football site. If you knew any of those guys, that's great. It was a fun time in my life.

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coolhand's picture

July 10, 2023 at 10:58 am

Harry, as a Chicago guy and diehard Packer fan who owns property in the UP, I made countless trips up 43 and the 141 north out of Green Bay. For me, the "north woods" always started just north of Wausaukee when you climb the hill on 141. This was at least in NE Wisconsin in my view.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 10, 2023 at 12:50 pm

For those of you who don't know, when HH was at Antigo, they had consistent powerhouses in football. State Champions, etc.

I grew up outside Rhinelander and had to cross Hwy 8 to walk to school and back when I was little. Rhinelander was referred to as "Hub of the North", because you can branch out to other destinations from there, like Eagle River, Minocqua, or towards the UP. It wasn't called Start of the North. And as a guy who made 1000 trips to Merrill, Wausau, and Point, I agree that the Northwoods are thinning out quite a bit by the time you get to Merrill.

""""Highway 8 is too far into the Northwoods to be the start of the Northwoods. Rhinelander sits on Highway 8.""

Zactly. It's in the woods, man. Our house was built on land that had to be deforested before it could be built, and that was true of pretty much everybody.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 11, 2023 at 06:08 pm

Hodag Country!

I love it :)

Nights get longer, snow gets deeper, life gets better

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TxFred's picture

July 09, 2023 at 12:20 pm

Lombardi & the 60's Packers set the winning bar attitude awfully high. That is a good thing!! So many NFL teams lack that "high winning bar" attitude & feeling nor how to sustain it. Expectations are always high in GB and as well they should be.

The team lost it's way for a few decades. Like lemmings, the team did what the rest of the league. Trends to hire, former players: few of years hiring college coaches, then OC coaches, then DC coaches all in vogue at the time. Doing whatever the rest of the league was doing.

Finally new club Presidents and a return to draft & develop. Best path for this small market team. It still is. The last step to separate the GM & HC roles. 2 SB's in 30 some years is okay, for most NFL teams. Not the Pack, remember the 60's high bar. Very tough to keep everyone focused on the high bar goal, from front office to on field personnel, not just talking points. This year's organization seems to have the focus back, with spirit, talent, energy, enthusiasm. Winning isn't everything, it is the only thing. GPG!!

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Coach Cleve Steamer's picture

July 09, 2023 at 04:37 pm

Highway 29 = North of the tension zone. But every year it inches further north. Te Menominee Rez. Is very up-north feeling.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

July 09, 2023 at 06:55 pm

I always thought up north depended on where you are at the time. If it’s north of where you are, it’s up north!

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Leatherhead's picture

July 10, 2023 at 12:58 pm

Loved growing up in the Great Northwoods, loved the freedom. I was raised as a "free-range" child and there's no way you could give a kid that much freedom these days.

But when I was 21, the Army showed me Texas. About my 3rd day there, I was driving down the road at 80, drinking a LoneStar, and had a loaded weapon on the seat next to me. And I wasn't breaking any laws at all, and I said "Oh, Hell Yes". So I headed down to Texas after I'd served my time in the military, used my GI
Bill to finish college, and lived here for the next 40 years. Sadly, they have enacted laws that prohibit a lot of the things that made this such an attractive place to me, but this gorgeous sunshine is awesome. I do not miss the cold and snow at all.

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