Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - The Love Train

The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.

On the heels of Valentines Day, I thought the theme here should be about Love - Jordan Love, that is. And because it was Valentines Day, this week's post is rather brief - I wasn't going to risk sleeping on the couch because I spent the evening writing this.

Love Train - I saw a comment on the site from a reader, Cheesehead72, which said he had purchased his tickets and was waiting to board the Love train. Well, he/she better hustle over to the next stop because that train is already in motion and gaining momentum. I can't begin to put a number on how many "It's time to move on from Aaron Rodgers" articles I've read the last few weeks. And it's coming from all directions, fans, bloggers, National media and also Packers beat writers. The latest coming from one of my favorite local writers, Pete Dougherty. In yesterday's article, Pete lays out why he thinks it's time (better one year late than two). But the best passage in the article is this one:

What’s also become obvious now is the Packers ceded too much power to Rodgers the past couple of years, and their culture is at risk. While a star quarterback and coach have to form some kind of partnership, there still needs to be a line separating who’s in charge. With the lengths the Packers have gone to convince Rodgers to stay – giving him a voice in personnel, and the huge contract extension last March that has not aged well – you can bet a lot of Packers players feel like Rodgers is running the show. That undercuts LaFleur’s authority and makes for an unhealthy locker-room dynamic.

This speaks directly to why I was in favor of moving on from Rodgers after last off-season. I don't think we've actually been allowed to see the real Matt LaFleur, with all the deference shown to Aaron Rodgers and what he likes/wants. Now, it could be that seeing the "real Matt LaFleur" could end up to be really bad, or conversely, show us what could have been. I lean towards the latter but admit it's only a guess. 

Ready and Grateful - Moving away from  Aaron Rodgers could end up to be a disaster if Jordan Love doesn't pan out. I tend to think that won't happen, but it's just my opinion - nobody knows. But if it were to happen, I've steeled myself to accept what comes and just be grateful for the 30 years of Hall-of-Fame level quarterbacking I've been privileged to watch over that time. 

QB of the Future - If Jordan Love turns out to not be it and the Packers are bad for a few years, that likely means some very high draft choices and the opportunity to draft the next potential franchise quarterback. You see the success around the league of young quarterbacks, who now come to the league much more NFL-ready than in the past and contribute much sooner. Mahomes, Hurts, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Tua, etc. If the Packers end up sucking for a few years and are able to draft their next franchise quarterback, I can wait.

Do you believe in Love? - It's really hard to say - will he turn out to be a Groovy Kind of Love or a Stupid, Crazy, or Tainted Love? Will they rename Lambeau Field the Love Shack after he shows everyone the Power of Love? Who knows! We've seen so little of him in meaningful action, but what we did see this year looked entirely different than previous years. It was kind of parallel to how Rodgers looked over his first three years as a backup. Now, it's fun to point that out as a possible reason for optimism, but drawing that comparison proves or predicts nothing. My hope for this season is that we get to see a Whole Lotta Love, because more than anything, I just Want to Know What Love Is.

And on that note, I wish you all (as Ringo would say), PEACE AND LOVE!

 

PLEASE SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHEESEHEAD NATION WEEKLY NEWSLETTER HERE.

__________________________

"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of many hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He is also a recovering Mason Crosby truther.  Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP

__________________________

NFL Categories: 
14 points
 

Comments (300)

Fan-Friendly This filter will hide comments which have ratio of 5 to 1 down-vote to up-vote.
PackerGravy's picture

February 15, 2023 at 06:05 am

Well played Jersey Al, well played indeed, I concur 👍

11 points
14
3
Pack1961's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:57 am

The number 1 trait of a good GM is really knowing the talent you have.

Here is what you are totally missing. Gutey refuses to spend money on a WR - so to say Rodgers has
too much influence is a joke. Sammy Watkins really, he was washed 3 years ago. Gutey gave Rodgers one roster spot and no money - Got Cobb.

Rodgers refers to a lot of life lessons learned this past year. Yea, Gutey told him they would get a Vet in to help and nothing happened. Rodgers has a limited window to win and the GM doesn’t support it.

Why isn’t any one talking about Gutey’s track record. Trading up to take Love when Higgins and Pittman still on the board. Taking Sternberger over Terry McLaurin, taking Meyer over Creed Humphries. They could have actually helped this team over the past 3 years. So many misses, he has got zero out of all his 3rd round picks and has wasted
Picks to traded up to get Love, Savage, and Amari Rodgers. Has 7 1st round picks on defense that sucked until the last 4 weeks and still finished 27th against the run. How many 1st
Rounders for Rodgers to work with?

And fans are all to willing to trade what is real for what is dreamed. Love may turn out okay, but he threw 21 pass attempts this year in garbage time.

The Packers management has had 25 years of
HOF QB play and hasn’t been able to win any more than 2
Superbowls. NE didn’t waste Brady and KC is not wasting Mahomes, we are happy to waste Rodgers and Favres careers. Rodgers can be a weirdo by some standards for sure, but the dude can play. Gutey should be a bit scared because if Rodgers goes and Love is Brett Hundley,
Gutey should be on the scrap heap immediately.

-8 points
8
16
Oppy's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:28 am

I get it.
It's everyone's fault but Rodgers.

10 points
17
7
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:57 am

“Gutey refuses to spend money on a WR“. I’m not saying it is right or wrong, but the winning SB team KC did the same thing. In addition, Belechick did the same for years and years and put his money elsewhere. I think because of the hard salary cap, being a GM in NFL is far more difficult than any other sport and open to more criticism. Most of that is hindsight. Of course, with the benefit of hindsight it would be easy to be a GM.

Right or wrong, I was fine with the Packers giving Rodgers the contract and trying to win a SB with him. BUT, after he pulled the retire or not to retire after the Packers gave him everything he wanted I’m done with Rodgers and I think it’s the best move to trade him.

I LOVE the article. IT’s right on because it states nobody knows the future, but “it is time”, “it is time! If Love doesn’t work out, you start drafting QB’s and hope you hit a home run.

5 points
9
4
Leatherhead's picture

February 15, 2023 at 03:56 pm

Refused to spend money on a WR.

When Gutekunst took over, the Packers were in a decent situation cap-wise. Thompson's decade of not really pursuing free agents (Woodson and Pickett being the exceptions), had done that. Thompson always said that it was easy to make big mistakes in free agency, and that you end up with a guy who wasn't that much better than the guy you had AND now you have less money to resign your own.

During Thompson's time, we never lost a FA than we wanted to keep. He believed in resigning his own guys who could play rather than lose them .....like we lost MVS....because we couldn't pay.

Gutekunst released Jordy, and then others. The only WR who has gotten paid in Green Bay since Gutekunst became the GM is Davante Adams. Other than that, it's been : Moore, MVS, Scantling, Lazard, Shepherd, EQ, Kumerow, etc.....Day 3 guys and UDFAs on rookie deals. It was "Let's throw it at the wall and see if anything sticks, and Lazard stuck. MVS and EQ and Kumerow moved on.

The frugality which Gutekunst has shown in "buying" a superduper WR, has allowed him to spend money in other areas. Otherwise, yeah, we'd have a shiny superduper but where do you think it makes us weaker? Do we have the money to keep Jenkins then?

Here's the deal: You can only pay about a dozen guys. Everybody else needs to be on a rookie contract or near the vet minimum. Why are you spending money on a FA WR who's going to be a blocker or a decoy on most plays?

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

murf, on the contract, IMO, it only begins to make sense if the Packers wanted to keep the rights to Rodgers until he was 43 or so, and the only reasons they'd want to do that is that either they think he'll be a good QB for us until then, or because they want to be able to get compensation in trade. How many millions of dead cap money does it take to balance out against a pair of first round draft picks? I don't know.

0 points
1
1
dobber's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:06 am

"Here is what you are totally missing. Gutey refuses to spend money on a WR - so to say Rodgers has
too much influence is a joke. "

They were ready to spend heavily on Adams, but the Packers' money wasn't green enough for him. If you'll recall, 12 gave Watkins his endorsement...ooops.

"Why isn’t any one talking about Gutey’s track record. "

You're not reading very closely, here, then.
You can litigate past draft picks for all GMs and make each of them look like shit by selectively locating a player here or there that they (and likely every other GM) passed on.

11 points
12
1
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:22 am

Dobber, you’re right on and why it’s hard to read some comments. I try to respect all comments, but the ones who criticize thei GM’s mistakes while not giving credit for the smart moves is wrong. It’s as if the GM should bat 1000 is just wrong.

I couldn’t agree more about if you scrutinize every GM you will find many mistakes in drafting and/or Free agency, keeping players or not and bringing in new ones to the team. The same can be said about criticism of players. We’re all human beings and one thing we all have in common WE make mistakes. Now, some bat 500 and some 300, there lies the difference.

6 points
6
0
MainePackFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:24 am

"If you'll recall, 12 gave Watkins his endorsement...ooops."

What else was he going to say Dobber? "This guy sucks" I think a lot of us thought Watkins was worth the risk for the money. Unfortunately, he just didn't pan out.

I definitely agree with you on your GM comment. It looks like last years draft was a winner for Gute (sans round 3 as usual). If he has another draft like that, I think it will go a long way toward the long term success of the organization. in fact it's imperative that he does hit considering our top heavy cap situation.

7 points
9
2
greengold's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:28 am

Don't you have a simulator to play with?

1 points
3
2
mnbadger's picture

February 15, 2023 at 01:22 pm

pack61, I wish I could give both a thumbs up (for the last paragraph) and a thumbs down for the first three (thumbs down)
With 3 against and 1 for, I went down, sorry.
I just can't look past AR's me first play that first started showing up in the last 2 years of big Mike's reign and has only multiplied in intensity since then.
GPG!

0 points
2
2
fastmoving's picture

February 15, 2023 at 04:31 pm

A weak Chemtrailer like AR wasted the Packers Prime.
Had a lot of weapons but made nothing out of it. It never was the management who made the difference, it just was AR who did not.
Mahomes and Brady have no trust issues, throw no one under the bus. They work in OTAs and dont want an extra 20 M.
Its AR fault, he just looooses everytime it counts. Just like a real flateearther he is. Should go to Rogan and ask for advice. Compared to AR he is smart like hell.
Imunissed against winning that is all he ever was.........Thanks God the D won the SB for him.....

0 points
1
1
pantz_bURp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 06:33 am

A tip of the hat to you, sir. I like your train of thought! Love can build a bridge, between this way and that.

#10 or whatever QB it is in the future...try not to worry about the pressure following two HOF QBs (scratch that, 3 actually). I hope you still enjoy the game, even by today's standards, enjoy team success...along with the fans.

Where is my Annie vinyl, lil chinchilla lipz? Got it, thanks.

We frickin' got this! I may set up a Huggin' Booth for FREE HUGs outside the hallows of Lambeau.

Yip cabbage,

Peace ✌️

*I may be jumping the gun and regretting this BUT, going to bury my trusty Ovaltine Decoder Ring by the River Birch down near the creek. I hope I never have to use it again. It is similar to a relationship that has to end for the betterment of the two parties. For me, it's like you know your girlfriend doesn't want to be with you anymore. Someone has to ask the difficult questions and then be prepared to hear the difficult truth. After a while, you get tired of having to steal your kisses and the hugs aren't the northwoods wood tick kind either, it feels like she hangs on only because she lost her balance.

-2 points
5
7
MainePackFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:23 am

"You know, she still laughs with me, but she waits just a second too long"- John Prine.

11 points
11
0
pantz_bURp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:41 am

Maine, I predict we are going to have a HOF- worthy rock-scissor-paper match at some point. ✌️👌

4 points
4
0
Rarescope's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:54 am

As long as you don't shoot your eye out.

2 points
2
0
NickPerry's picture

February 15, 2023 at 06:51 am

"With the lengths the Packers have gone to convince Rodgers to stay – giving him a voice in personnel, and the huge contract extension last March that has not aged well – you can bet a lot of Packers players feel like Rodgers is running the show. That undercuts LaFleur’s authority and makes for an unhealthy locker-room dynamic.

Not only has it undercut MLF, but it's made the entire Packers Organization look WEAK as hell. Trading Rodgers would be a start but I'll be very interested to see if LaFleur will be able to get the respect of his players and assistant coaches. LaFleur can't undo the ass-kissing he's done the last few years with Rodgers, nor is he going anywhere, at least for 2023. LaFleur has a lot of work to do IMO to clean up his image and it won't be overnight. The BEST thing that could happen for MLF is for Jordon Love to become say a top 12 QB in 2023 IF Rodgers is gone. Personally I'm pulling for that to happen because if it doesn't not only will the Packers be looking for a new HC, they'll be looking for a new QB as well.

Like Al I believe in Jordon Love. I believe he can be a top 12, even Top 8 QB in this league. Get another WR to go with Watson and Doubs and for God's sake get a TE and lets START to run this offense like it's meant to be run. Motion, getting rid of the ball quickly, and USING LaFleur's scheme to help open up the offense would be a great start.

Trade Rodgers and let the the Jordon Love era start. Let Gute approach a draft WITHOUT thinking about ANYTHING else but what's best for a Jordon Love future. I think he'd nail it and add to setting up this franchise for the next several years.

12 points
19
7
Hematite's picture

February 15, 2023 at 06:56 am

I believe in LOVE!
Put him in coach, he's ready to play!

3 points
6
3
BradHTX's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:23 am

…center field? Hmm. Eh, I’m not above musically mixing sports metaphors. Tip of the hat.

4 points
4
0
Packer_Fan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 06:59 am

Nick. Nailed it two days in a row

3 points
7
4
BradHTX's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:25 am

Always does. You’re the Comments MV(N)P always, Nick.

2 points
5
3
pantz_bURp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:38 am

I agree NickP always brings it. In my humble opinion, the post of the year has to go to Oppy...it was epic, stellar and breathed of Packer passion.

*There are a bunch of highly knowledgeable and intelligent people on this board. I guess that is why I blend in so well.

-3 points
3
6
Pizzadoc's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:07 pm

I swear to god this person is a previous poster who got kicked off. His words and cadence are too similar. And he says nothing.

-1 points
0
1
pantz_bURp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:30 pm

Thanks pizzadoc! You are correct in that I use to go by Pantz Burp. But now I am Beautiful Mystery. And trust me, you aren't the only one who thinks my posts are lacking. Don't give up on me just yet, I may surprise you.

(I didn't get kicked off or out) if/when I do...I will look back fondly at much fun and boy it was worth it. I have learned a lot about the Packers. And, a few other nuggets outside the fine sport of football.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. I will take it under advisement. Honey, I got another negative feedback...what should I do? Okay, I am supposed to sleep on it before making a decision.

Sleep well pizzadoc. 👍

2 points
2
0
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 16, 2023 at 10:21 am

Pantz Burp!!!! I was wondering where you've been lol

1 points
1
0
pantz_bURp's picture

February 16, 2023 at 11:16 am

RTS, I had to lose my pantz to find myself. 😁

0 points
0
0
Tundraboy's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:12 pm

He's rolling! Al as well.

0 points
0
0
dobber's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:08 am

"With the lengths the Packers have gone to convince Rodgers to stay....makes for an unhealthy locker-room dynamic."

LIke I said yesterday, the removal of 12 will likely have a significant impact on that lockerroom...likely a large, collective exhale.

10 points
13
3
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 16, 2023 at 10:22 am

Bingo, Dobber. Addition by subtraction. Exactly what I've been saying for 2 years.

0 points
0
0
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:11 am

“Like Al I believe in Jordon Love. I believe he can be a top 12, even Top 8 QB in this leagu“.

I don’t see anywhere in the article where Al is stating he thinks he will be a top 12 QB in the NFL. He keeps his comments more about it’s time to move on and see what we have in Love.

I personally think Love has some good traits, but until he plays a full year, nobody really knows. Even then, it really takes a couple of years minimum to know for sure what you have. The reason is because many QB’s like other position players get better and better as they get playing time. You saw that with Rodgers, Hurts, Burrow, Allen currently and many, many in the history, like Mannings and our great Favre. There are exceptions, but they are few and far between.

Some fans actually think they know how he is going to be after a game and 1/2 and that ludicrous thinking. IMO, to be fair to the player, Fans should give Love a couple of years before anointing him or throwing him down the road.

7 points
8
1
jannes bjornson's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:39 am

This is his Fourth Season. They better have it nailed down. He will have to hit the ground running. There is no time for another two-year's waste of a position. Most of your list of #One picks noted, start the year drafted, that is the nature of the New NFL. Favre was essentially in year one when he took over for Magic.

0 points
4
4
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:11 am

JJ, if you said that about Rodgers, who also waited 3 years you would be disappointed in his first year. The team he led won 6 games, he had 28 TD's to 13 INT's and threw for 4000+ yards. 13 INT's were his most in his career. Not bad but no where near what he was capable of.

Favre had 18 TD's and 13 INT's and led his team to 8-5. Some how he did make the PB that year. In year 2, he had 19 TD's and a whopping 24 INT's. It has been said, Holgren wanted to move on from him and Steve Mariucci and other asst. talked him out of it.

I would agree in both situations you saw some great potential. But it wasn't till year 3 for Favre before he really took off. And it was year 2 before Rodgers did.

6 points
6
0
jannes bjornson's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:51 am

Rodgers could have started 2007, if Favre hit the deck and he still would have gotten them to the NFCCH game, which I, unfortunately, attended. In 2008 the Defense was the failure. Rodgers gave them leads to defend in the four losses, or they end up 10-6. The discussion is about Gutedkunst and Company, not Rodgers. If Love was the guy he would be starting, 2022. The draft "haul" would have been realized. Favre was never considered for the number one pick for his particular draft class, even though he beat Florida State the top-ranked team.

0 points
3
3
Tundraboy's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:17 pm

I read that much differently. As I see it , NP said he agrees with Al on his belief in Love and adds his specific belief in where he ranks. Slow down we're all getting edgy with this year's drama

0 points
0
0
Packers2020's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:57 am

I find it interesting how everyone already believes in Jordan Love after a quarter and a half of good play. Which by the way, he came in when the defense was unprepared for him and they were up by multiple scores.

When Love actually plays full time, defenses will game plan for his strengths and weaknesses. Things will be different then. Love needs to show that he can deal with defenses that are actually scheming against him.

Which is a big iff.

5 points
7
2
T7Steve's picture

February 15, 2023 at 02:51 pm

I think it's kinda on the coach to plan for these adjustments and get him ready to play, not a young QB, or any QB if the coach is good. It's a tough league.

0 points
0
0
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 16, 2023 at 10:24 am

Ok then whats the acceptable amount of playing time before were allowed to believe in a guy? 16 years ago, I believed in Aaron Rodgers after only seeing him play 2 1/2 quarters in relief vs the Cowboys. Was that wrong too? If you could direct me to the belief arbitor that would be great.

0 points
1
1
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 15, 2023 at 12:42 pm

NP,
I posted a long post below before reading everyone's post. You & I my friend think eerily similar!

2 points
2
0
stockholder's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:39 am

The Love train has turned into Murder on the orient express.
This shouldn’t be about giving a sucker a even break.
Rodgers never hung himself.
I’m not willing to trade a winning MVP.
For consecutive losing games. And maybe Losing seasons.
I stated recently; that No great coach can win, without a good QB.
And Rodgers still is a Good QB. Gutey would cut him if NOT.
HE HAS THE POWER! And It’s not the power of Gray Skull.
The media has turned this into cartoon. Maybe even the 3 stooges.
And while you see Rodgers vs Love.
I see a club that made all the wrong moves.
For 12 years: HAVE the Defensive collapses; been Rodgers Fault?
Rodger’s didn’t fire MM. Murphy Did.
And how about the drafts. (The difference makers we needed)
Why draft a QB when the DL , And ILB stood out.
MLF making the same mistakes MM did. (Per retaining his DC)
And before we solve the problem. The Defense!
Starting another at QB, only screams Stupidity.

-19 points
10
29
pantz_bURp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:46 am

Call me stupid. :)

5 points
5
0
jurp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 02:44 pm

Okay, you're stupid. :)

1 points
1
0
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 05:17 pm

All im hearing is Barry White and Chef saying “Luuurve train” and then stupid”. Maybe the sublime has turned ridiculous.

1 points
1
0
Untylu1968's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:54 am

So is having a 50+ million a year quarterback that is consists

5 points
6
1
Untylu1968's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:55 am

Considered good instead of great acceptable?

1 points
3
2
dobber's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:09 am

He's not $50M yet, but I don't blame the Packers for trying to get out from under his contract before he is.

5 points
5
0
fair_weather's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:00 am

Yeah, we are all stupid. Right. You a Vikings fan or what?

2 points
6
4
dobber's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:11 am

I get after SH as much as anyone, but I would never say he's a Vikings fan.

8 points
9
1
MainePackFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:31 am

You have to admit, SH gets plenty of feedback. I will say this, his take on the draft prospects is as well versed and accurate as anyone in here.

2 points
3
1
dobber's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:41 am

I think in this case you need to put "feedback" in air quotes. ;)

8 points
9
1
MainePackFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:43 am

lol. Good point

2 points
2
0
greengold's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:33 am

Is ignoring "Feedback?" Asking for a friend...

1 points
1
0
JerseyAl's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:43 am

You are right, Stockholder has good commentary on individual draft prospects. However, when you complain about why the Packers took a QB instead of a position of need, that's when you lose me. With that thinking, we would have never had Aaron Rodgers. For good teams, the draft is much more about the future than the present.

9 points
9
0
MainePackFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 12:01 pm

Al, I wouldn't advocate for him to be our GM, but I want to give him credit where credit is due. He takes enough heat.

Now that I think about it, I wouldn't advocate for any of us to be our GM ; )

1 points
1
0
greengold's picture

February 15, 2023 at 12:08 pm

So true.

GMs are looking at "need," 3 years ahead, generally.

0 points
1
1
stockholder's picture

February 15, 2023 at 03:22 pm

IMO- TT did have a right to take Rodgers.
1. The pain Killer addiction. 2. Surgery on a thumb. 3. Possible retirement.
TT did let a good player fall to him. (Bulaga also)
But that hasn't been the case with Rodgers.
Rodgers Contract shows the Failure in that THINKING!
Rodgers frustration showed us 1 major point.
That this team was broken.
Are we a Good Team?
Were we a good Team when Love was Taken?.
Regardless; the Defensive problems weren't fixed.
And we were only Good because of Rodgers.

2 points
2
0
NickPerry's picture

February 15, 2023 at 05:25 pm

Look, I get SH...You think Rodgers should stay no matter what happens to the cap future as a result. All the BS will continue but apparently that doesn't bother you either. This team has REALLY lost it's way from the team of the last 30 years and Rodgers is one of the many problems. It's not just Rodgers, but it all STARTS with Rodgers.

The pain killer addiction? That was in 1997? Sorry but he won a SB and 3 MVP's right after that summer so that's ridiculous.

Surgery on his thumb? Hmmm, he had a pretty good season in Minnesota and was 9-2 as the Jets starter until he tore up his shoulder and ended up losing a bunch at the end of the year. He actually had a fantastic season going right up until he tore up his shoulder and insisted on continuing to play.

The Defensive Problems were never really fixed though I'd say in 2014 they were MORE than good enough.

1 points
1
0
stockholder's picture

February 15, 2023 at 06:22 pm

Np- I think he should stay.
HIs Word goes with signing that Contract!
As does managements.
I get you don't like a QB to be the talk of Hollywood.
But when you date girls in the spot light. Your News.
Any Addiction is kept Quiet. I get the time.
But it is Confidential, and doesn't mean you'll stop.
The health records are sealed for that reason.
Finally; your problem with Rodgers is going to the press.
WE all know; the loudest wheel gets the grease.
But He hasn't been wrong in any of his criticism.
His frustration is spot-on.
If they sat him.---------
You would only judge Love and not the Team.

1 points
2
1
Savage57's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:47 pm

All I know is I want some da' shi' you smokin'.

0 points
1
1
stockholder's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:25 pm

Try this - Merle Haggard - Are the Good Times Really Over

2 points
2
0
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 16, 2023 at 10:30 am

How was Favre's painkiller addiction (which he kicked in the 90s btw) any worse than Rodgers doing DMT and God knows what else? Rodgers has also broken both collar bones, broke his foot his 2nd year in the league, torn calf in 2014, tibial plateau fracture in 2018, broken toe in 2021, broken thumb in 2022, and who knows how many concussions he may have sustained throughout his career that he never reported. He has quite the list of injuries too. The circumstances in which Love was drafted are not far off from when Rodgers was drafted. The difference is you dont like Love so you try to fit the narrative however you can. See i didnt care about Love till he became a Packer. When he was drafted, he became Our Guy. At least thats how Ive treated it. Hes on my team so I want him to become the best he can be because thats whats best for this team.

-2 points
0
2
Packerpasty's picture

February 16, 2023 at 11:41 am

if you don't know the answer to pain killer addiction vs a one time jungle experience or even DMT then you shouldn't comment...how many lives have been lost and families torn apart by pain killer addiction...answer me that dumbass...

1 points
1
0
stockholder's picture

February 16, 2023 at 11:53 am

The circumstances in which Love was drafted
are not far off from when Rodgers was drafted.

Yes they Were. Love was the wrong pick.
Most pointed to his mechanics at the senior Bowl.
The other was his decision making; while the program changed.
I get you'll trash Rodgers to get Love.
But you only have to look at the eagles draft to see GBs Failure.
Yes Love is a packer. But you make him "earn" his starting status.
It's easy to tear Rodgers down when Murphy slams him.
The Don't be a problem.
And "we"re not idiots" shows the flip flop.
IT Resurfaces when your GM makes the wrong move.
Rodgers wanted a voice. To be heard. To be HAPPY!
Listen to Simon and Garfunkle's Sound of Silence.
And Not Ray Charles hit the road Jack .

0 points
1
1
Oppy's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:30 am

I get it.
It's everyone's fault but Rodgers.

4 points
10
6
RCPackerFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:54 am

And there is the other side where its all Rodgers fault.

3 points
6
3
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:13 am

Stock has his own dimension. A simple different side doesn’t describe it.

4 points
6
2
RCPackerFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:39 am

still no clue what you are saying

-1 points
2
3
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:50 am

Well then you aren’t far off the point

3 points
4
1
RCPackerFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:45 am

i have no idea what your point is.

-1 points
3
4
jurp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 02:46 pm

Well, IIRC, string theory requires at least 12 dimensions; Stockholder's must be one of those then. It sure as hell ain't this one.

1 points
1
0
jannes bjornson's picture

February 16, 2023 at 09:34 am

Well, we know he's not a Flat Earth Society type of guy with linear patterns of thought.

0 points
0
0
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:46 am

rOdGeRs FoReVeR

0 points
3
3
BAMABADGER's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:46 am

1) "No coach can win, without a good QB." Super Bowl winning QBs: Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco (MVP), Nick Foles (MVP)

2) "I see a club that made all the wrong moves." Including not trading an old AR after last season for massive draft capital and cap space.

3) "The media has turned this into cartoon." The media didn't isolate themselves in a dark room for 4 days.

I could go on. But I like brevity.

6 points
11
5
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:27 am

SH, makes absolutes at times. Many fans do. That said, it’s rare that any teams wins a SB or wins consistently with average QB’s.

5 points
5
0
jannes bjornson's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:10 am

Toll the Bell Loudly, maybe repeatedly to wake the lemmings from the stupor. Players, not plays and this guy has not stocked the depth chart. You cannot overlook the Evidence File accounting for his Draft Record. You do not go All-in speculating on a QB and giving up the fourth rd picks that usually provide chess pieces for the O line, TEs, Safety spot or LBs/Edge. You cannot go 4/5 misses in the third round, giving Deguara some hope of getting on the field. Draft 2018, the deal down and back was good maneuvering for Jaire, but getting blanked on the next five selections shows a lack of acumen, considering the guy's been around the Feedstore the last thirty years. If Savage does not get it together this year, we're looking at another one pick in la la land and another forfeited four pick. Opportunity Cost is a bitch. Too many holes in the roof for Rodgers play to patch. If I was Love's agent, I would put in the trade request. They will move Rodgers only if the money is covered. If Love stays another high picks goes to a QB instead of a Playmaker.

1 points
6
5
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:34 am

JJ, I don’t know for fact how Gutey does drafting. If you ask me I think he has does pretty well. If you took the time to review how Coach/GM Belechick drafted over the years I believe you will find out it wasn’t all that great. To determine how someone does it needs to be by comparison because they all make many mistakes. What he was great at is Coaching players up, bringing in the right FA’s, game management and creating a winning culture.

4 points
6
2
jannes bjornson's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:47 am

I do not have the Time to review the complete List of head scratchers, total whiffs and under-performers brought in from 2018-2022 under His watch. 2017 seemed a collaboration of Gutedkunst, Wolf,Jr, Sullivan and Highsmith choosing replacements, but the accounting lays the foundation for none and done , 2018. King, Josh Jones, Montraviuos, Biegel etc. 8/10 no shows and two solid hits on A.Jones and Williams as RBs they rarely used under MM.
I'm not putting the King selection on Ted.

-3 points
2
5
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:13 am

Again, if you're not doing comparisons and you admit you're not, how do you know he's a bad drafter of talent? All GM's make mistakes, the good ones make fewer.

6 points
7
1
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:32 am

The hit rate is lower than I think most think. Every study always reminds me that it’s startlingly low—making stand out drafts truly significant—even for Hall of Fame GMs

There is a nice summary (even if posted on a Vikings site) that I keep in mind that ties in with others but makes it comprehensible:

“Five years ago I did a piece detailing how most draft picks are busts, based on a study of 1996-2016 draft picks. The results, which are based on the Pro Football Reference AV metric, are sobering:

16.7% didn’t play for the team that drafted them
37% were considered useless. They either didn’t play much or didn’t make the team.

15.3% were considered poor. Had limited playing time and didn’t do well in the time they had.

10.5% were considered average. These are mediocre players that had starts or significant contributions over 2-3 years.

12.3% were considered good. These could be mediocre or average players that were multi-year starters, Pat Elflein or Christian Ponder for example, or perhaps some genuinely good players that didn’t last all that long for the team that drafted them- Sidney Rice for example. This is where the AV metric can over-rate a player based on the number of starts, rather than their performance while on the field.

6.9% were considered Great. This category is the first that includes undeniably good draft picks. In order to be considered great, they would’ve had to play for the team that drafted them into a second contract, and also performed well over those years.

1% were considered legendary. These are future Hall of Famers, multi-year All-Pros among the best in the league for most of their relatively long careers.

And so only about 8% of draft picks are players that really make much of a difference beyond replacement value, and only about 30% see much playing time or make a significant contribution to the team.”

It always reminds me in simple terms how tough it is to be a GM in a world where every fan can cherry pick on hindsight.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/platform/amp/2022/4/26/23042105/nfl-draft-...

7 points
11
4
dobber's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:52 am

Nice work, CW.

...unfortunately, now we need to start asking why you would admit to going to the DN...

6 points
6
0
CheesedDeadHead's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:06 am

Maybe an intervention is necessary! ;)

4 points
4
0
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:15 am

Sometimes I need to remind myself that there’s always a worse place to be.

In reality, I saved that from an old google search on the topic. Very few actually boil it down as well. But the odd Vikings site trawl can be always be relied on to be cathartic.

4 points
4
0
jurp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 03:01 pm

It was an hilarious site after we beat them, and even funnier after they got bounced in the playoffs. Always prime entertainment after a Purple loss.

1 points
1
0
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:07 am

CW, thanks for the data, very good info, it proves my point. It is something I knew but didn't want to take the time to lay out. So, unless you have the data from all GM's results, how in the world can anyone know by fact if your GM is a good at drafting? The easy answer is you can't. You can assume and of course we all know where that gets you....lol

That is why I state, I think he is good at drafting and not nit pik his failures from the past that have been overstated far too many times in past posts.

3 points
5
2
jurp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 03:00 pm

To your point about GM being a difficult job...

Question - Which GM is widely regarded as having the best draft in Packers' history?

Answer - Lisle Blackburn, 1958 (and he was fired just after that draft, ushering in the Scooter McLean blip). Three of his first five picks are in the Hall of Fame, and one of the other two was a starter:

1 - Dan Currie (3rd overall pick, with a six
2 - Jim Taylor (HOF)
3 - Dick Christy (5 yr career, a HB who was pretty good catching passes)
3 - Ray Nitschke (HOF)
4 - Jerry Kramer (HOF)
5 - Joe Francis - QB (Possible QB of the future who was just a JAG)
6 - Ken Gray - G (12 yr career)

And the rest of the guys were all JAGs

My point is that every GM in the league passed on Taylor once, Nitschke twice and Kramer at least three times. If being a GM were easy, then every team would be fantastic.

In a "thing I found looking up other things" note, Ray Nitschke is credited for one pass reception for 34 yards. Not an int, a true reception. I did not know that.

4 points
4
0
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 06:03 pm

I had to look that up. It was in what turned out to be his last his last regular season game, December 17, 1972, a 34-yard catch and gain on a blocked field goal attempt picked up and thrown by punter/holder Ron Widby.

1 points
1
0
murf7777's picture

February 16, 2023 at 07:16 am

Did they pass back then….lol

0 points
0
0
jannes bjornson's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:40 am

That would be the point. The good GMs get players. You try to pinpoint football players, not Projects. You get some guys who get Injured and forfeit careers, but selecting Sternberger over McLaurin, even the kid's down at the video arcade could figure out was a fail.

-4 points
2
6
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:09 am

Of course, they do, but they also make mistakes, like the one you are describing about Sternberger over McLaurin. Again, without comparisons, of how many starters, pro-bowlers etc....you can only assume your GM is doing good or bad.

3 points
3
0
jannes bjornson's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:29 am

I would bring up the opportunity cost arguments from 2018-2022 on certain player choices, given the draft previews/Film, but what's the point? When other teams GMs miss on more than they hit, they are generally relieved of their duties. Packertown,LLC. extends their people. Fox got his team to the SB in Denver and Carolina, but was shown the door for not bringing home the Prize. Rodgers is not the only component of the CAP quandry. Quite a bit of Dead Weight is assigned to the formula.

0 points
3
3
Coldworld's picture

February 16, 2023 at 09:37 am

One way it has been expressed, I think realistically, is that there are good and bad GMs, but that the ones who are hood will inevitably bat at about the same percentage over a period of years. That percentage isn’t particularly great. What makes the difference is not how much they win in percentage terms but how big they win when they do—how much over value their ups are compared to their misses, accounting for both impact of the player and where they are picked. Of course that takes hindsight to evaluate.

0 points
0
0
stockholder's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:36 am

absolutely.

1 points
3
2
jurp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 03:02 pm

Dude, you got the stockholder Seal of Approval.

Ouch, that's gotta hurt.

1 points
2
1
jannes bjornson's picture

February 15, 2023 at 03:20 pm

I wear it like a Distinguished Service Medal.

1 points
2
1
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:16 am

“I’m not willing to trade a winning MVP.“. SH, I respect your opinion on this subject. I felt the same way last year. BUT, it’s more about what he is doing to the whole franchise. Meaning the undermining of coach Mlf , the Team and the FO. Part of that is thei FO’s fault. We went to the same circus with Favre for a few years and TT finally had enough. Does the FO have enough? They should and time will tell.

1 points
3
2
stockholder's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:45 am

Murf Rodgers wants to keep winning.
He said make the offense more simple.
You had to many fill-ins the first 8 games!
Yet- MLF turns right around and Keeps Barry.
The defensive play sucked the first 1/2.
And were going right back to the problem
of safety.
And then Douglass goes back to CB.
While Stokes gets replaced.
And you can't tell me you liked the 2 front.
(Lowrey and Reed rushing)

1 points
4
3
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:20 am

The problem isn't whether Rodgers can win, obviously he can. It's about what he is doing to the culture of the team and fan base. Because of his sheer talent, I've been a huge supporter of him, but my time has ended because I don't think they will win anymore with him. I could be way off, and if they keep him, I hope I am.

2 points
4
2
jannes bjornson's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:08 am

Culture is for the Leisure class and Yogurt. These guys are paid to Win. Belichick does not instill confidence in his team by flapping his wings, during the Game. The easy target syndrome gets tiresome in contemporary society and can have very pernicious effects if left to group think as viewed from a historical perspective. The onus is on management to prove their "plan" holds merit. So far?

-3 points
3
6
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 16, 2023 at 10:40 am

Culture is everything in football. You cant expect 53 guys from completely different backgrounds to gel without a healthy team culture. Just ask the Chiefs, who follow Mahomes as far as he can take them. He sets the tone for everything that team is about. Instead of being selfish all summer, hes out there in the heat working with his guys and getting better. He leads by example. And he does it not because thats whats expected of him, but because he wants to. What kind of example do you think Rodgers sets for the young guys where theyre expected to put in extra work but he only has to do the bare minumum? Double standards are terrible for any work environment. It causes resentment. Im sure most here have experienced it in their respective lines of work. I know I have.

2 points
2
0
dobber's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:20 am

"I’m not willing to trade a winning MVP.
For consecutive losing games. And maybe Losing seasons."

This is why the other NFCN teams have petitioned the Packers to install you as GM and President.
It's a "what have you done for me lately" league, and 2021 is a long time ago...especially for guys who are in the 99th percentile of the league's age distribution.

"And Rodgers still is a Good QB. Gutey would cut him if NOT."

No doubt 12 still has value. I don't think anyone will deny that. Unlike Carr, the Packers didn't write themselves into a contract where they didn't have at least some control over that part of 12's future, and some ability to recoup value if they need to move on.

Many here are of the opinion that his value is diminishing both to outside teams AND to the Packers. Like a bullet, his trajectory rose, leveled off, and is now curving back to earth. The combination of contract and play doesn't merit this marriage to continue. Loyalty just gets you an old, slow, and underperforming roster.

"Rodger’s didn’t fire MM. Murphy Did."

It's "Rodgers", btw.
If you can't see the depth and nuance that surrounded that change, then I'll stop here.

6 points
10
4
BirdDogUni's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:33 am

*Epstein never hung himself...

7 points
7
0
jannes bjornson's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:08 am

Neither did Jean-Luc Brunel last Feb 19th...Two very prominent pimps, still at large....

4 points
4
0
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 16, 2023 at 10:43 am

Much worse than pimps. Demons in the flesh.

0 points
0
0
coolhand's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:52 am

12 is so great he get's paid $50 mil a year and only looks at 1 receiver in one part of the field. Ignores guys that are wide open. Holds the ball too long because he doesn't want to hurt his stats. Criticizes the team management in public. Chokes in big games. He is a polarizing figure now and needing to be a team leader that is a terrible trait to have.

2 points
9
7
dobber's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:55 am

"he get's paid $50 mil a year"

Again...not yet, he doesn't.

2 points
2
0
MainePackFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:09 am

Some people don't get it, and they're not going to Dobber :)

3 points
3
0
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 16, 2023 at 10:44 am

Its the average annual salary for his contract extension so saying "not yet" is a moot point.

0 points
0
0
greengold's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:41 am

This is why we can't have nice things.

6 points
6
0
fastmoving's picture

February 15, 2023 at 02:22 pm

Pretty sure a flatearth loooser like AR, who always find a way to lose when it counts and pointing fingers at everyone else is just the way the stockholder likes it.
Just look a game, just once. Look at the chemtrailer like he is missing open WR, try to force it to his only trut worthy option. Holding the ball forever and doing just the wrong thing when it counts. Over and over again since 10 years at least, with all that weapons, with good enought defences. What would other top QBs had done.
How can it be worse than 1 throphy in 20 years? And how should he not getting worse with his orin drinking ways and thats only the stories we know. How can a crazy AR who runs his body down with his strange choices. Look when he asks Rogan (one of the dumbest people on earth) for advice and tell me he is any smart. He looks like 60 and plays like that. No one wants to be on the team anymore because of his style to "lead" and his trust issus.
Weak and old, not very smart. Sound just like Stockholders kind of QB.

And the worst thing is that AR has no intension to work since 12 years. Thinks he is perfekt, no need for OTAs, education or working out. Just the greed and the lack of any empathy for anyone but himself.

-4 points
1
5
Packerpasty's picture

February 16, 2023 at 11:43 am

you need intervention...funny stuff though..

0 points
0
0
jurp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 02:43 pm

Holy shit, stockholder, you BROKE the Bonkers Scale!

Crap, they just went off-sale, too. Shipping from Timbuktu is going to be a bitch... Gotta see if I can fix it myself, then

1 points
3
2
fastmoving's picture

February 15, 2023 at 02:54 pm

All we know you can trust a looosing urin drinker, who lost everything when it counts and never takes any resposibility.
AR is soft like hell and smart like Rogan. Never wants to work hard. No OTAs nothing. Just complaining......strange dude and thats positiv explained.

-2 points
1
3
Cheezehead72's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:39 am

Good article Al. This is what I have been saying. I wanted the Packers to trade Rodgers last year. Yes I know they might have tried but did not get a good enough offer. I still believe Gute was too scared to make that move due to too many Packer fans that hold onto the past and think Rodgers is the only way the Packers make the SB. I was looking forward to have many draft picks with trading Rodgers and Adams and surrounding Love with weapons and a good defense.

Yes I agree Love may not turn out to be the franchise QB and in two years we might have to move on but Rodgers has been the franchise QB and he might be good the next two years but then we are in the same position looking for a franchise QB. I would rather go with Love and the opportunity for many good years.

Having Rodgers as our QB is like fitting a square peg into a round hole. He does not seem to fit MLFs offense. MLF seems to be frustrated during the game. Part of that is I believe MLF should not be calling plays as HC. He needs to concentrate on being a HC not an OC. Also he needs to call out the players more and stop covering for them by taking the blame. I agree that MLF needs a younger mobile QB to run his offense the way he wants. He also wants a QB the will run his plan and one he can develop into his plan.

7 points
11
4
RCPackerFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:57 am

"Having Rodgers as our QB is like fitting a square peg into a round hole. He does not seem to fit MLFs offense."

So how did this work the previous 2 seasons? If Rodgers doesn't fit LaFleurs offense how did he win 2 MVP's with LaFleur?

4 points
6
2
jurp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 03:12 pm

He won them in spite of Scooter, not because of him. We have yet to see Scooter's offense as it was originally sold to us when he was hired.

0 points
1
1
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 16, 2023 at 10:47 am

We saw it in 2020, which was the best offense in Packers' history. After they drafted Love, Rodgers bought in for exactly 1 season and had the best and most efficient season of his career. Then he pulled a coup the following offseason and the offense went back in time to 2018. Havent won a playoff game since.

-1 points
0
1
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 05:25 pm

I remember CHTV deeply disappointed with both the outcome and the play when it mattered. I’m really not sure where that point gets you. Rodgers plus LaFleur certainly didn’t get where we and they hoped before last year.

3 points
3
0
barutanseijin's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:04 pm

It was the same old same old: regular season mirages vanishing in the playoffs behind the usual smokescreen of excuses.

Besides, you know deep down that Rodgers only won that 4th eMVeePee by default.

4 points
5
1
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 16, 2023 at 10:49 am

He didnt deserve that MVP anyways. Brady and Burrow were both more deserving. Despite his stat line, neither he nor the offense were great that year.

2 points
2
0
Lphill's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:45 am

Joe Barry will be holding this team back regardless of who plays QB, nobody is calling Barry for a new coaching job I wonder why, even Dom Capers got a new job.

6 points
10
4
RCPackerFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:57 am

Best comment today!

0 points
4
4
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:22 am

Akin to being worried about whether the window is cracked when the wall just fell down?

4 points
6
2
RCPackerFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:33 am

no clue what you are talking about.

-1 points
3
4
jannes bjornson's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:19 am

The Church ladies are only paid to sing for the Front Office weddings, Funerals and bar mitzvahs...

0 points
3
3
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 15, 2023 at 12:45 pm

LP,
Even more reason why Gutey needs to go all in this draft with players at skilled positions on offense. Time to become a dominant offense again that can overcome a mediocre defense. Draft capital the last 10-years heavily favored the defense and where has it gotten us? With the NFL rules it strongly favors the offense, so why are we fighting it? Draft offense early and often during the 2023 draft. Let's surround Love with skilled players and by God, let's put some points on the board!

3 points
3
0
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 16, 2023 at 10:50 am

Why? So Rodgers can not teach them his precious audibles and throw them under the bus on McTanktopcast all year? How many more times do we need to see this horror show?

0 points
1
1
BradHTX's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:46 am

Right now, in every article, it seems Love Is In The Air. I spent much of this season asking “Where Is The Love?” Drafting him was controversial, causing division among us fans to the point now where Love Is A Battlefield.

He needs the ball so we can know What’s Love Got To Do With It. If it turns out that Love Stinks, then You Give Love A Bad Name and move on before we have Love On The Rocks. We don’t want to be singing Silly Love Songs.

We can’t keep living in A World Without Love, and when Rodgers is gone, Love Will Keep Us Together. Granted, right now he’s inexperienced, basically a Baby Love, just a Crazy Little Thing Called Love, but I think he’ll develop into The Greatest Love Of All. Personally, I’m looking forward to sitting down to watch the first time he takes the field against Chicago, and thinking, “All right, Bears, gonna Make You Feel My Love.”

13 points
17
4
pantz_bURp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:51 am

Love it! 👌💪👍✌️

1 points
2
1
RCPackerFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:58 am

Sometimes its just Brutal Love.

1 points
1
0
jannes bjornson's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:31 am

"Radar Love"

2 points
3
1
RCPackerFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:34 am

Oh Love

-1 points
0
1
dobber's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:44 am

If you'd have told me that we'd have two Golden Earring references in a week, I'd never have believed you!

5 points
5
0
MainePackFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:11 am

I think they're maxed out now ;)

1 points
1
0
fthisJack's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:58 am

We need a Whole Lotta Love.

3 points
3
0
jannes bjornson's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:20 am

If it keeps on rain'n, levee's going to break...

0 points
0
0
T7Steve's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:21 am

Well done Brad! Love Is All You Need.

2 points
2
0
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:24 am

"All you need is Love"

0 points
1
1
T7Steve's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:13 am

It's just a refrain at the end, "all you need is love, love, love is all you need, love is all you need, love is all you need....

I was sure someone already had used All You Need Is Love, so I wagged it.

Was that the White Album?

Don't ever get old.

0 points
0
0
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 01:20 pm

Yes, it is and I'm not sure of the Album, but I don't think it was the White. I have a funny story about that. Last year when Love started at the KC game, We went to the game with another couple. We try to get to one away game per season. Anyways, when we were there we decided since Love was going to start we would all get Love jerseys. We had them sent directly to the house we rented. We spent two nights and the game day with them on. OMG, everyone asked about them. Lastly, and this song reminds of it. On game day we each made up a sign and my said All you need is Love. We also had one Love is all you need. Fun times and the KC fans were great!!

2 points
2
0
T7Steve's picture

February 15, 2023 at 01:40 pm

Great story. Sounds like you were Rolling Down the River.

0 points
0
0
BradHTX's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:55 am

*tips hat* Thanks, that was fun to write.

My football insights are questionable at best; I prefer to think of myself as the ugly dwarf jester to Jersey Al’s King Arthur.

3 points
3
0
T7Steve's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:16 am

I thought it was all fun and still the thumbs.

0 points
0
0
BradHTX's picture

February 15, 2023 at 03:16 pm

I never give a rat’s patootie about downvotes. Some people have no sense of humor.

4 points
4
0
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:22 am

“Jesters do oft prove prophets.”

William Shakespeare

2 points
2
0
jannes bjornson's picture

February 15, 2023 at 12:07 pm

So Murphy is Lear. Ball plays Goneril and Gutedkunst, Regan. LaFleur seems a Cordelia. The Fans, naturally, play the Fool. So, there may be hope, somewhere...

0 points
0
0
BradHTX's picture

February 15, 2023 at 02:50 pm

I don’t necessarily agree, but very well played. What an erudite group we are.

“Blow winds and crack your cheeks! Rage, blow!” could be a Lambeau-in-January description…

1 points
1
0
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 05:46 pm

I had Macbeth more in mind for Murphy, but nice run on that one.

0 points
0
0
egbertsouse's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:47 am

Well said, Jersey Al. I was talking to a Vikings fan yesterday and he said,”Cousins isn’t great but at least we don’t have to listen to a bunch of drama crap every year. Why do they put up with it?” My answer was I could only assume they are a bunch of wimps.

For the first time ever I was jealous of a Vikings fan.

1 points
7
6
mrtundra's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:25 am

Never be jealous of a vikings fan.

7 points
7
0
RCPackerFan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:01 am

Jealous of a Vikings fan?

What the hell is going on?

6 points
6
0
Johnblood27's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:09 am

why even converse with that level of sub-human garbage?

0 points
3
3
PackyCheese500's picture

February 15, 2023 at 01:42 pm

I think that’s a little extreme, don’t you? As much as we detest the Vikings, their fans are still people.

Bears fans on the other hand…(just kidding)

1 points
1
0
Johnblood27's picture

February 15, 2023 at 03:18 pm

extreme?

Nope...

0 points
0
0
fastmoving's picture

February 15, 2023 at 05:13 pm

Yeah the Chemtrailer is really a shame for all of us........

0 points
1
1
LambeauPlain's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:46 am

I also respond to my friends who are afflicted with being Viking fans that "the Packers won as many playoff games as MN this year."

4 points
4
0
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:57 am

On the first day of school in Minnesota the first grade teacher tells her class that she is a Vikings fan. “Raise your hands if you are too”, she says.

Everyone in the class raises their hand except one little girl: “Claire, why didn't you raise your hand?'

“Because I'm not a Vikings fan.”

After a pause the teacher asks:

“If you are not a fan of the Vikings, then who do you believe in?”

“I am a Packers fan, and proud of it.”

“Why on earth would you be one of those?”

“Because my mom is a Packers fan, and my dad is Packers fan, so I'm a Packers fan too!"

"Well," says the teacher, “that is no reason for you to be a Packers fan. You don't have to be just like your parents all of the time! What if your mom was an nincompoop and your dad was a fool, what would you be then?”

“Why,” Claire responded, “naturally, then i’d be a Vikings fan.”

8 points
8
0
greengold's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:52 am

Rodgers will retire. No trade. No picks.
— Revelation from my own 4 day darkness retreat.

Green Bay is a Love train. Get on board.

__

A solid, timely piece, Al.

Been messaging back & forth with Pete Dougherty for years, if not decades. He's a great guy, and he knows his stuff. Nailed it here with what you shared.

IMO, we already are 2 years too late. The moment all the garbage came to a head on Day 1 of the 2021 NFL Draft, just moments before it started, was all you needed to see. This was orchestrated, and if not, it certainly was perpetuated into a sickening Aaron Rodgers Circus of the Absurd, by none other than Rodgers himself. He basked in the self manufactured, team sniping chaos & media attention. That stung most of us fans, and we've suffered through this BS for years now.

Lombardi would have shipped his ass out that day via trade. We all know it too.

Ceding so much power to AR over the years since has destroyed leadership in Green Bay, to the point where MLF deferred his way out of town with what was at the time an incredible record, and a unique vision, as expressed to fans upon his hiring.

Instead of putting the troubled QB1 in his place, they acquiesced to allowing him to run the place. This has gone to the point where many here, and rightfully so, are questioning what we actually do have in Jordan Love. We should know by now, but, no. AR wouldn't have it. He had to play his games. And, they were all his games, supported by his choice to throw to no other WR than his pal, Davante Adams, for an entire 3 Quarters of football, with everything on the line for the Packers' advancement.

Instead, he advanced his friend's contract year in favor of the team and its fans.

Gutekunst has to bear some of the brunt in going along with this charade into darkness.

Favre showed Rodgers the DIVA way, and Rodgers took it to his own lows.

I'm grateful for Reggie White, Gilbert Brown, LeRoy Butler, Santana Dotson, Desmond Howard, Don Beebe, Craig Newsome, Chad Clifton, Mark Tauscher, Bag-O-Donuts, Charles Woodson, Ryan Pickett, Howard Green, BJ Raji, Josh Sitton, TJ Lang, Clay Matthews, Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Frank Zombo...

Too bad AR tarnished his legacy here with his yearly goal being to win MVPs, instead of Super Bowls.

QB of the Future? It is still possible Love turns out to be great and maybe finds himself wanting to stay here. Guessing MLF would remain in place, if so. I have many questions there.

I've been a Jordan Love fan since the day he was drafted, hoping for the true development plan to be realized. Now, none of us can say what we have at QB1. That, to me, is a real shame, and a bad mark upon the Packers Front Office. They could not have bungled this any worse.

Rodgers' retreat into darkness will last just 4 days. How many do you think he has signed Packer fans up for?

I have zero confidence in Mark Murphy. Zero confidence in our Board of Misdirectors. Zero confidence in LaFleur. Quite frankly, I have way more confidence in the stupid sledding hill.

Seems like Brian Gutekunst really got the shaft in all this, along with all of Packerland.

I'm a Packers fan till the day I die, and I hope they can right this sinking ship.

Peace & Love.

10 points
16
6
pantz_bURp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:56 am

So be it, I am ready. Okay, back to keeping a roof over my head and mac-n-cheese in the cupboards. I trust you big ol boys can take it from here...?.

✌️

3 points
3
0
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:48 am

No complaints here.

4 points
4
0
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:42 am

That would be the best outcome for both sides probably. Whether that’s what Rodgers wants is anybody’s guess.

It’s notoriously hard for stars in any sport to let go of the status, Adrenalin and attention they’ve know since high school. I have made it clear that I believe that the team needs to part ways, but that doesn’t mean that i underestimate the turmoil for Rodgers facing up to letting football go, knowing that it’s going to happen very soon inevitably.

4 points
4
0
greengold's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:00 am

I suspect he will realize:
1. He's done. He's lost the long ball, his accuracy, and his legs.
2. He's afraid to tarnish what he considers to be a solid legacy as stands today by failing to win a SB with NYJ.
3. He's building a house in Nashville, with dreams of becoming a country music recording star.
4. Retirement now is his best move going forward.

Of course I'm hoping he wants to go to the Jets, and we can realize draft capital in the process, but, does he have the stones to do that? My guess is an emphatic NO!!!

0 points
2
2
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

February 15, 2023 at 12:49 pm

Total agreement GG with exception of Rodgers retiring. Just do not see that happening anytime soon. AR is basking in money, attention, fame, adoration, self-absorption, and young women. Life is good for AR!

3 points
4
1
jurp's picture

February 15, 2023 at 03:19 pm

Great post, GG. It's not out of the question for the Packers to be QB-less in 2024 if they fail to pick up Love's 5th year and/or extend him. If Love feels hard-done-by by the FO, it's also conceivable that he chooses to not re-sign after a successful season in 24. Danny Etling in the Brock Purdy role but without his talent, anyone?

I remember 2021, when you were very certain AR would be traded to the Broncos before training camp. I wish to hell the FO had done that.

1 points
1
0
Tundraboy's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:33 pm

Eloquently stated. I feel like I got some things off my chest just reading this. Lombardi would not be pleased.

0 points
0
0
fair_weather's picture

February 15, 2023 at 07:59 am

*chef’s kiss*

Whole Lotta Love songs in there. Cheers!

4 points
5
1
greengold's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:43 am

Wuh-Wah!
Wuh-Wah!
Bowmp!
Bup-Bup Bowmp!
Bup-Bup Bowmp!
Bup-Bup Bowmp!
Bup-Bup Bowmp!
Bup-Bup Bowmp!
Bup-Bup Wah-Wah-Wah-Wah Bowmp!

Wuh-Wah!
Wuh-Wah!
Bowmp!
Bup-Bup Bowmp!
Bup-Bup Bowmp!
Bup-Bup Bowmp!
Bup-Bup Bowmp!
Bup-Bup Bowmp!
Bup-Bup Wah-Wah-Wah-Wah Bowmp!

1 points
2
1
Since'61's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:08 am

Nice job as always AL. The most frustrating part of all of this is that none of it had to happen. Failing to trade Rodgers after 2021 is just bad business from financial and football points of view. The Packers sacrificed their salary cap to resign him. They hurt the team by holding back Love for another season. And then MLF compounds the whole thing by continuing to play Rodgers while he was injured when Love was allegedly ready to play. You can't make this stuff up.

Now we're waiting for him to emerge from his 4 day consultation with Godot. He's lucky I'm not running the show because if it was me I would be delivering the revelation to Rodgers once he's out of the isolation ward. That revelation would be "Aaron, while you were in solitary I traded your ass to the Jets/Raiders/ whoever. Thank you for 18 great seasons in Green Bay and best of luck to you. Now GTFOH." End of stupidity. Thanks, Since '61

21 points
24
3
BradHTX's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:26 am

“Now we're waiting for him to emerge from his 4 day consultation with Godot.”

Nice one, Since’61. Love me some literary references on a football blog!

5 points
5
0
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:19 am

“Whatever happens to you has been waiting to happen since the beginning of time. The twining strands of fate wove both of them together: your own existence and the things that happen to you.”

Marcus Aurelius

6 points
6
0
Since'61's picture

February 15, 2023 at 04:53 pm

Nice job Coldworld - Marcus Aurelius has always been one of my favorites. A genius in his time for certain.
Thanks, Since '61

0 points
0
0
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 05:34 pm

A bit before mine and thine. I have wondered what epigram he’d coin about the current conundrums. With powers of observation as sharp as he had, he’d obviously be PackfanRomanitas

1 points
1
0
packerbackerjim's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:39 am

MLF is weak with or without Aaron Rodgers. Could have played Love with the thumb injury, but no. Playing: I Want To Know What Love Is.

5 points
5
0
dobber's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:46 am

The question is: would he have grown into more as a young HC without having to deal with the "dynamic" in GB.

We'll never know.

2 points
3
1
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:46 am

LaFleur is the Trubisky (Fields, any Bears QB) of coaching? An Interesting proposition to ponder.

0 points
3
3
stockholder's picture

February 15, 2023 at 03:48 pm

Packer Jim -
Could have played Love?
The Team was broken.!!!!
Everyone that is on the Love Train
wanted to blow it up.
The guys rushed back from Injuries!
Do you really believe they would have
If Love was the QB. I Don't.
Gutey had to see who could still
play. Rodgers saved their Butts.
I say Jenkins would never have been signed.
And Bahk would have been dumped.
And what about Tonyan?
Rodgers made Gutes job easier!

1 points
2
1
croatpackfan's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:49 am

Since, this post is the post I can claim contain exactly my thoughts about situation.

Only what I'll add is that I promise ACR when he decide to finish career, that we will sign him for 1 day and that we will retire his number.

Regarding Jordan Love, I trully have feeling that Packers found 3rd HOFer in the row. I was delighted with his performance vs Eagles. His throws was laser throws I do not saw from ACR in the long time. Fast, very accurate and with excellent zip. Only throw thar was not like that was throw to Watson in the end zone.

I know that my football knowledge is at much lower level than many of authors and posters here, but at least I know what I see.

Thank you for this post, as I really appreciate your opinion on lot of football related (and business, too) questions.

7 points
7
0
Since'61's picture

February 15, 2023 at 05:25 pm

Croat as you know I have supported Aaron Rodgers over the years. I have enjoyed watching him play and he has been a great player for the Packers. Possibly their greatest player ever.

But this 4 days in isolation to make a decision is a bridge too far for me. Is he expecting to consult with the Oracle of Delphi while he is in his solitary confinement?

Packer management has their fair share of the blame as well for letting this situation get this far and turning it into a circus. They need to step up and become the adults in the room.

It's unacceptable and unnecessary. Everyone needs to move on. Thanks, Since '61

1 points
1
0
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 06:24 pm

Sensory deprivation is a long revered path to wisdom. Delphi was more of a quick high and hope you don’t die. However, most mystical schools expect a lot more than 4 days to attain wisdom. However, for one often called attention seeking, it is remarkably low key when there could have been Aaron Stylites media ops galore.

2 points
2
0
croatpackfan's picture

February 16, 2023 at 08:29 am

Since, I came into fandom of Packers because of ACR. To me he looks (2008) like very nice guy with lot of talent. Second, if I'm not fan, I'll always rooting for underdogs, what Packers looks me like in 2008. I also enjoyed excellency in ACR qbing for many years.

2014 season I started to look at ACR with different eyes. And my opinion on ACR changed completelly after that NFCCG. I admit that Packers might lost that game on one huge idiotic jump of Brian Bostick, but honestly I was so furios on ACR because it was his worst game I watched. He had ball inside RZ 7 times in the first half and Packers scored only one TD, one INT, 2 TO on downs and 3 FG. For me that was true reason why Packers lost the game. If there was at least 4 more points (1TD vs FG), result would different. And all of that lays on ACR, not Mike McCarthy. In the 2nd half Packers production was only 2 FG. That was unacceptable for that offense.

He gain some trust in him in that 2016 (2015 season) loss at Cardinals were he was plaxing on really high level with completely depleted receivers room (injuries). Hack, Jareed Abrederis and Jeff Janis was 1 & 2 WR.

The last nail in the coffin of my trust in ACR was put with his behavior vs Mike McCarthy. Season was lost, and he insisted to release (or fire) MM in the middle of the season. He got that. He basically run away MM from Green Bay, the man who enables him to become what he is today.

Every season after that was just confirmation how selfish he trully is. No talent, physical traits or intelligence can win alone in team sports. Neither M. Jordan will become what he is w/o Pippen, Rodman, Kerr, Kukoch and others on the team. I do not know how much you knows abou soccer, but I'm pretty sure that you heard about Christian Ronaldo and Lionel Messi. Two archtypes of different personalities. Ronaldo is selfish, arrogant person, while Messi was and is team player. And that is why Messi is much more better player than Ronaldo.

I respected and respect your opinion even if I do not agree with you. Because you know how to give arguments to your opinion, not just believes.
And that type of discussion is the best one for both or more parties in it.

Thanks.

1 points
1
0
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 15, 2023 at 08:52 am

61, please inject this comment straight into my jugular. That is all. Have a splendid day.

3 points
3
0
Since'61's picture

February 15, 2023 at 05:17 pm

RTS if I could I would. However I think that we need to inject some of this into Murphy or Gute or someone at 1265.

I'm A Rodgers supporter and I have been since he became the starting QB for the Packers. I've enjoyed watching him play and he has given us many, many more good moments than bad. It could be argued that he is the greatest player the Packers have ever had and he is an all time great QB.

However, waiting for him to go into this 4 day darkness retreat to maybe make a decision about his future is a bridge too far for me. I can't stand the idea of management waiting around for him to make his decision. The FO should never let this get this far. It makes no sense to me as someone who consulted Corporate Executives for over 30 years. Sports have numerous difference from other industries but this is a case where the adults need to step up and get this done one way or the other.

I get it that Rodgers has played 18 seasons in Green Bay at an HOF level. And I'm fine with giving him time to make a decision about his future. But 4 days in isolation!!! This is the 21st century. The ancient Greeks did not take 4 days to consult with the Oracle at Delphi before making decisions to go to war.

If Rodgers want to go into isolation for 4 days that's fine as well but do it on his own time and not holding up the team. Murphy or Gute should have put some boundaries on this process. They need to act like adults and stop the madness. Their job is to run the team and put a winning product on the field. Great players come and go and yes they need to be dealt with as businessmen when decisions impact the entire team.

Reached an unacceptable point for me. Thanks, Since '61

0 points
0
0
The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

February 16, 2023 at 11:09 am

All your points are understandable. For the amount of heat I sling towards Rodgers, some here probably assume I was a born Rodgers hater but thats far from the truth. Like you, I supported Rodgers faithfully for many years. Even before he was starter, I was in his corner when many Packer fans had already declared him a bust. I was one of his biggest and earliest fans. Made all the excuses for him for years. And to be honest, I couldve continued living with the playoff shortcomings if not for all the extra stuff. The beginning of the end for me was the holdout in 2021. They were coming off a great season with a historically great offense and were oh so close to making that elusive 2nd super bowl. Instead of getting back in the lab and putting in the work to get them over that final hurdle, he then made it all about himself and held out. The nail in the coffin was the press conference where he trashed the front office for 20+ minutes despite them completely kneeling to his demands. It was at that point that I saw Rodgers as a guy who had passed the point of no return. And when that season started, it quickly became clear that in Rodgers' fight for power, he had usurped control of the offense because the wonderful scheme that helped him have that amazing 2020 season had been replaced by the Rodgers' 2018 check with me offense. This is when I went from not liking him anymore to now hes actively harming this team. After many years of loyalty and support it felt like i had been betrayed. I feel its important to make these points clear since Im a mostly regular part of this community now. Im not just some blind internet troll as some here have accused me of. My reasons begin and end with what is best for the Green Bay Packers. Long story short, we may have gotten to this point on different timelines and for different reasons, but it looks like were on the same page now. Heres to hoping the front office gets on the same page before irreversible damage is done to the future of this franchise. One last thing, whenever Rodgers does move on, I will wipe the slate clean and get back to revering him for all the great memories he has given all of us. But until that moment comes, I just cant feel good about him being a Packer anymore. Sorry for the rant.

3 points
3
0
T7Steve's picture

February 16, 2023 at 01:28 pm

I like that RTS "blind internet troll" HA! You could change you name after that "BIT".

I believe we're almost all loyal Packer fans here and have to have thick skin.

-1 points
0
1
Since'61's picture

February 16, 2023 at 06:06 pm

RTS great comment. I've been here since the 2010 SB season. At that time Me and many of the bloggers were members of Jersey Als All Green Bay Packers blog. In 2013 0r 2014 Jersey Als AllGBP merged with Cheesehead TV.

My point is that over that time I've learned that each of us here at CHTV come at Packer issues from our own perspectives/experiences. Of course Rodgers could have an entire blog just for him if someone wanted to do it. Part of my perspective on players was formed during the NY Yankees "Bronx Zoo" seasons in the late 70s. On that team players fought with each other, other players fought with with the Manager and everyone fought with the owner, George Steinbrenner. However, when they took the field between the white lines they played brilliantly with 3 consecutive World Series appearances and 2 consecutive World Series Championships. Since then for me it's been as long as the players give us everything they have on the field I can live with the other stuff. And I still believe that Rodgers gives us everything he has. He is just no longer as effective as he once was and that is to be expected at his age. Another reason for management to move on.

As our perspectives are different such are our breaking points. Yours was 2021, I get it and I understand it. Mine is this 4 day isolation thing, whatever it is. As I posted this should all have been avoided and management should have made their decisions and moved on by now. I advocated for the Packers to trade Rodgers after the 2021 season because I believed then and still do that it was the best time to make a trade for the Packers benefit. I don't know what it will look like if they trade him this offseason but I still believe that they should do it unless Rodgers chooses to retire.

I could even be Ok if Rodgers decides to play for the Packers in 2023 but that should only be supported by management and coaching establishing some boundaries and enforcing them on who is running the offense and how it is implemented on game day. Having said that I still believe that the best for the Packers and for Rodgers is for him to move either via retirement or trade. There is nothing left for Rodgers to do in Green Bay. I don't see the Packers competing for the SB in 2023 with or without Rodgers. So what's the point for him to play here in 2023? Management needs to get it over with, start Love and see what we have. If Love doesn't work out it's not the end of the world. There is always another guy.

We're OK RTS. No worries. I'm a live and let live guy, and I hold no grudges. I move on quickly. Life is too short to be otherwise. Beside I enjoy your posts. Stay well. Thanks, Since '61

1 points
1
0
greengold's picture

February 15, 2023 at 09:57 am

The mismanagement of Aaron Rodgers' exit from Green Bay is mind numbing and embarrassing.

Horrific display of ineptitude by the Packers Front Office. Again.

How many times do we have to go through this? Fuckin' A!

6 points
6
0
Coldworld's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:50 am

It’s sad that we have managed this so badly twice in a row. Both under Murphy. Has anyone else wondered if that extraordinary extension was this time’s equivalent of the Favre “media contract”?

5 points
5
0
greengold's picture

February 15, 2023 at 11:04 am

Too many parallels of stupidity exemplified by our Packers own version of Alfred E. Newman.

JFC. Shakes head.

Deep breaths. Breathe.

4 points
5
1
murf7777's picture

February 15, 2023 at 10:30 am

"Failing to trade Rodgers after 2021 is just bad business from financial and football points of view."

And, what if the team Rodgers was traded to were to of won a SB? Packers traded him after Rodgers won back-to-back MVP's while he helped the team go 39-10 win the win-loss column.

The Packer's FO would've looked foolish, and it would've gone down in history as one of the worst decisions made. That decision wasn't easy. It is very controversial with us Fans, I get it, but I also understand why they kept him.

0 points
3