Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Packers Were the Dawgs
The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.
By JerseyAl

Woof! Woof! For no obvious reason, the Packers pooped on the rug when they were a mere few minutes from going fout or a nice walk to the locker room. They just couldn't wait and had to make a big mess, angering their owners (shareholders) who thought this wasn't going to happen any more.
I'm writing this on Monday as Tuesday I'll be traveling (returning from Idaho). So, if anything interesting news has come about since then, it won't be reflected here. So here are my Monday thoughts on this stinky mess!
After last week praising the Packers playing complementary football, reducing penalties and Love knowing when to throw the ball away, they went in the opposite direction in each of those categories. The only thing they carried over from the previous game was special teams mistakes, but this time they took it to a new level.
Cleveland's defense is no joke, and it's not just up front. They are solid at all positions and they all hit hard and don't miss one-on-one tackles in space. Every time I thought a Packers ball carrier had the potential space to break off a big gain, a Browns defender would appear out of nowhere to make a sure open-field tackle. Especially their rookie, that Schwesinger kid. What a sure tackler - there is no breaking away from him.
It would appear the Packers medical staff has loosened up the reins on player health. Allowing Tom to start the game and to only have him last one play seems like an abject failure. Sure it's easy to criticize after the fact, but this is such a bad look. Then there was the decision to replace him with Jordan Morgan. Again, easy to second guess after the fact, but I can honestly say, when I saw that Morgan was the choice, I was immediately a bit flummoxed. Has Morgan been prepared at all to play the right tackle spot? There was certainly no evidence of it in camp or preseason. So why not Belton on Kinnard right away? Belton ended up there when Morgan had to fill in for Banks, and it's not like he had to against Myles Garrett, who camps out on the right side of the defensive line. The Packers just take this offensive line interchangeability thing a bit too far, and I've believed that for quite some time.
Question: Why did it take until the third quarter for the Packers to realize they could combat the pass rush with a screen pass and a designed Love keeper? And then why did they abandon that approach in the fourth quarter and go back to Love dropping straight back and running Jacobs into the strength of the Browns' defense where no holes were being opened by the offensive line?
Micah Parsons is pretty much held on every pass rush, sometimes quite obviously. In most sports, the stars get the benefit of the doubt and the calls. Not so much in the NFL and particularly with what I've seen of Parsons so far. Play after play, offensive linemen are holding on for dear life and it's just ignored. All I ask of officiating is to call it the same for everyone.
The Packers defense was definitely tired the last quarter. Tackles were starting to get missed and there were a lot of hands on knees after plays. A bit odd considering the Packers had nine more minutes of possession than the Browns. I thought Parsons looked like his back might have been hurting towards the end of the game, just judging from his body language after plays and when on the sideline.
On the blocked field goal, the Browns put five players on three Packers (Walker, Kinnard and Morgan) and all three gave up valuable ground to the Browns rushers, allowing a better angle for one of them to block the kick. Many have said the kick was too low, and that could also be true, but allowing penetration the way they did is the easiest way to get a kick blocked.
As to be expected, there was plenty of jumping up and down and screaming and other assorted vitriol after this loss from fans on the internet. Everyone sucks and needs to be fired, of course. For my part, I was feeling a bit like the Packers may have been a bit overconfident going onto this game. Perhaps this is an early wake up call to never take anything for granted in the NFL. And if they're going to get a wake up call, better it happens now and not against a division opponent. It's a long season.
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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of various hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He's a lifetime Packers fan living in the land of the Giants (and Jets). Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP.
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Comments (91)
Savage57
September 24, 2025 at 05:54 am
Sign seen in the Packers locker room this week:
"REMINDER: NFL Games Last 60 Minutes"
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 07:30 am
Maybe better:
"REMINDER: this week's game starts at NOON and lasts 60 minutes"
(with replaceable sign to indicate varying start times)
LambeauPlain
September 24, 2025 at 08:45 am
"COACHES REMINDER: NFL Games Last 60 Minutes"
jvole
September 24, 2025 at 06:09 am
I'm worried there are structural issues with the team's organization and preparation that are going to be hard to overcome without serious reflection, backroom screaming, and tough decisions. First, the O-line shifting....totally agree with you. Especially going from left to right side, that's tough to do. People are dumping on Morgan but he was clearly rattled by this move and that is on coaching.
Razer made this point on a comment, but La Fleur is probably not cut out for both game management and OC. He is slow to adjust and gets wrapped up emotionally in situations (red flag warning). I personally think La Fleur is a good OC but few can do both well.
The lack of discipline from special teams play has been chronic for years and does not change with coaches. So that has to go back to La Fleur and demanding attention to detail and accountability.
Finally, I think Jordan Love might be a choker. Good friend of mine who is Ute's fan said as much when we drafted him. "Great talent, but not great in big games". Not sure how to fix the person. Sports psychologists have helped some athletes (Tom Brady). An OC can try and take the ball or need for a big play out of their hands. But yes, there was the interception, but he also missed two dump passes towards the end that might have put the game away.
We will see....but as always hoping for the best!
LambeauPlain
September 24, 2025 at 08:53 am
When Love is not under pressure, he's not a "choker"...quite good, actually.
When the OL plays in unison, disciplined, knowing their assignments on every play, begins blocking with authority on run plays and keeps Love clean, the choker talk will be moot.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 09:20 am
Love was 5 minutes from setting a Franchise record for consecutive games without an interception. Given his predecessors that is something to consider.
jvole
September 24, 2025 at 03:19 pm
I see your points. Of course, Love threw three interceptions against the Eagles in the playoff game....a big game! The 9 games were regular season games. I 100% hope that my observation is BS and that you are right. Or that Jordan figures it out (if indeed he has an issue). I just want them to win with this team.
Since'75
September 24, 2025 at 06:21 am
Packers vs. Cowboys
"i just look at this like it's just another game....." - Micah
I love ya Micah, but i gotta call BS on that one!! 😲😏
TKWorldWide
September 24, 2025 at 06:39 am
Especially when he gets multiple pressures, sacks, and maybe even a holding call or two against the small army assigned to block him!
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 07:31 am
Smart enough to not put up any additional bulletin board material.
Since'75
September 28, 2025 at 06:24 pm
Yea, we don't want to motivate......the Cowboys! 😲🙄
TKWorldWide
September 24, 2025 at 06:41 am
It’s always easy to second guess after the fact, so I am hereby pledging to do all my second guessing BEFORE the fact. Gotta start thinking outside the box.
Cheezehead72
September 24, 2025 at 07:08 am
After reading many articles and watching different videos and reading comments here I have these things to say about the game and the loss. Yes you can blame Love for throwing the interception and end it there but there is more.
First mistake goes to offseason. Gute signed Banks to a big contract to play guard and then move Jenkins to center when he could have replaced Myres with a center and paid less. Yes there was one out there the Bears got him. Jenkins and Banks are some of the worse OLs in the NFL after three games. Oh and the Bears center is doing very good.
The offensive and special teams coaching was terrible in this game but it is no surprise that the ST coaching was bad because it has been bad in the three games. I will say this here there is no excuse for 14 penalties. That goes to the player and the coaching. Yes playing Tom was a mistake. That goes on Tom, the medical staff, and MLF. A team has only 46 game day players. Playing Tom took up one of those spots because he was in for one play. Moving Morgan to RT was a mistake as Al stated he has not practiced there. Maybe that contributed to his penalties.
I believe it was Nick that made the comment that why did they run a play right before the end of the 3rd instead of letting the quarter run out. I was dumbfounded when I saw that. I know what probably happened. MLF told Love that if he saw something good run the play otherwise let the quarter run out. Love is not a QB you can put in that position. He will take the chance because he thinks he can win. MLF should have had the team on the sideline and let the quarter run out.
Overall I am not going to critisize the play calling except for they probably should have called more screens and passes to the flat to the best ball carriers. The problem is when they did there were many that they did not capitalize on. I believe Love missed the throw to a player (at least 2 of them were to Jacobs) on 3 passes to the flat. He has a history of missing in the flat. Usually that is a result of his feet not being set.
Now to the interception. Very short here because it has been covered extensively. Yes MLF should have called a run and punt the ball. Love should have changed the play to deep routes. Love telegraphed his throw. If love would have looked at Kraft he would have seen he was going to be open. I noticed that during the play.
Now for the blocked FG. The Browns were putting 6 on the line opposite of the hash they were on. On the last FG attempt the Packers were on the right hash. It appears during the game that the left side of the Packers line was the weaker side. It might have been a different result if the Packers were on the left hash. Not sure if the Packers could have switch sides of all the LM but that should have been a consideration.
GregC
September 24, 2025 at 07:09 am
" A bit odd considering the Browns had nine more minutes of possession than the Packers."
You mean the Packers had nine more minutes of possession than the Browns.
Before the game, I heard at least one or two people mention Jordan Morgan as a potential replacement for Zach Tom at right tackle, in keeping with the "best five" line of thinking. Of course, the assumption was that if they put him in there, he would be prepared to play the position, which he clearly wasn't.
The loss looked more like the result of underconfidence rather than overconfidence, at least at the end. The Browns wanted this game more, and the Packers were unable to counter their push in the final minutes.
Cheezehead72
September 24, 2025 at 07:26 am
There is no statistical significance to having a greater TOP to winning the game but there is one that if you score more points than you will win
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 07:46 am
"There is no statistical significance to having a greater TOP to winning the game "
Statistically, there's a greater variation on a week to week basis as to whether TOP correlates to winning ball games.
In the aggregate, over time, it's been shown repeatedly that winning football teams tend to be among the league leaders in TOP. I'll use the current season, where 7 of the top 10 teams in TOP have winning records, and the overall W/L is +12 for those 10 teams. In 2024, only 2 teams in the top 10 didn't have winning records, and one was 8-9. The W/L was +36 for those 10 teams.
It's hard to be in the top 10 in TOP over the course of a 17-game season unless you're regularly winning TOP--single game anomalies don't typically drive those stats--and winning teams are typically at the top of the league in TOP.
Cheezehead72
September 24, 2025 at 07:52 am
So the question is do you look at the season or do you look at each game. Depends on your perspective. In this comment we were looking at one game so you need to look at statistics per game not a season.
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 08:00 am
FIne.
I plugged "does winning TOP correlate to winning games in the NFL"
The AI response was this...
"Yes, winning Time of Possession (TOP) in the NFL correlates to winning games, though not as strongly as other factors like turnover differential or points differential. While a team with 35 or more minutes of TOP had an 83.7% winning percentage in one analysis of regular season non-overtime games, simply having more possession doesn't guarantee a win, as it's just one indicator of overall team performance and success...In summary, while controlling the ball is a valuable strategy and often accompanies winning teams, it is not a guaranteed path to victory and should be viewed alongside other key performance indicators."
"A team that wins the time of possession in an NFL game does not always win the game; while there is a positive correlation, a 2022 study found that time of possession is a relatively weak predictor of a game's outcome."
To say that teams occasionally win TOP and lose games is a statistical fact--it's right there in the response and we see it happen, but your comment is that there's NO correlation between winning TOP and winning games, which is easily proven wrong.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 08:24 am
One game doesn’t give an adequate sample. It’s too opponent specific. For example, a team that moves the ball through the air extremely efficiently but restricts their opponents to short plays is likely to score a lot of points quickly and yet have its D out there consistently. Thus giving a drubbing to their opponent in terms of score but taking one (happily) in time of possession.
On Sunday though, we faced a challenged offense that could not get things going offensively and did not sustain drives to score (just one all game) or eat the clock. That should therefore pose real questions about the caliber of our O and its calling.
Razer
September 24, 2025 at 07:39 am
"Browns wanted this game more, and the Packers were unable to counter their push in the final minutes."
This statement couldn't be any more accurate. The number of Packer penalties was super disappointing and was fuel on the fire.
bjkdad44
September 24, 2025 at 08:12 am
You hit the proverbial nail on the proverbial head ‼️‼️
TKWorldWide
September 24, 2025 at 08:26 am
I prefer Psalms to Proverbs, but to each his own.
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 09:08 am
OK...you hit the proverbial nail on the psalmist's head.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 10:47 am
I prefer palms to either. Would you like a coconut full of rum? No cookies, sadly.
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 01:17 pm
I can't. Gilligan and I are busy turning all the coconuts into phones.
TKWorldWide
September 24, 2025 at 08:27 am
Are you saying that GB’s lack of desire contributed to the large amount of penalties?
Razer
September 24, 2025 at 08:47 am
No. Cleveland's push to win was the fire, we just added more fuel with our stupid play. It is the perfect storm when a team's will to win meets another team's self inflicted actions to lose the game.
GregC
September 24, 2025 at 08:56 am
In any close loss, you can point to a number of factors. Penalties were part of the mix for sure, but I really think the main thing was Cleveland's burst of energy and focus in the final few minutes. This should be a reminder to the Packers that you have to play solid football for 60 minutes. Even the defense was not blameless at the end.
JerseyAl
September 24, 2025 at 05:33 pm
Greg, yes, I typed that backwards, of course.
T7Steve
September 24, 2025 at 07:10 am
When Al said he was going to Idaho I thought it meant no "Pollution" for this week along with his 3-things, and I was starting to go into withdrawals. Got my "FIX" now. Thanks, AL!
There's nothing with this Packer team that can't be fixed with some good blocking up front. I can't believe we're talking about this going into week 4. I truly believed we had a new and improved O-line before the season started and through the first two games thought that along with the injuries that they'd get the kinks worked out in the running game because until the Browns' game the pass protection was ok even with the backups in.
Seems to me that this has been an issue that has been ongoing since David B. was injured many seasons ago. This is really troubling me.
TKWorldWide
September 24, 2025 at 08:28 am
Starting to wonder if GB will re-sign Walker after this season.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 09:51 am
Wonder or hope?
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 10:13 am
There's the real question.
Remember when the Packers gave that last big contract to Bakh? He wasn't on the downside when he signed it, but the cap could use the relief, and they were backed into that spot because Jason Spriggs was an abject failure. They had no LTs they could rely on in the pipeline.
Fast-forward to 2025 and here's Walker--not a player of the caliber of Bakhtiari, but a good NFL LT--playing on an OL that lacks high-end front-line players AND depth. Even with Morgan looking credible, removing a very capable player from that mix puts even more pressure on this OL in what we're seeing as a 3-year window to win it all. That doesn't sound like a winning move...but they might not have any choice.
T7Steve
September 24, 2025 at 10:41 am
Another way to look at it is that none of the existing players with the possible exception of Tom and Jenkins in his early days, is a game changer / dominating force, and should be able to be replaced easily as long as their standards seem so low.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 08:28 am
Bakh was an elite player so his loss was obviously significant, but the Stenovich as OC era had been one of consistent issues of questionable personnel decisions and usage and a lack of development of individuals or run blocking despite evolving personnel. At some point, when players change but problems persist and recur, there is only one place to look and that is the coaching.
LambeauPlain
September 24, 2025 at 08:59 am
Total agreement. Coaching matters. Ask the Packer D players.
Razer
September 24, 2025 at 08:59 am
My feeling as well. We have nothing but tackles in reserve yet we can't find a tackle to shore up the right side. We don't have any ready interior linemen to fill in at LG and we still have weak play at center. Given that Matt wants to run the ball, there's little evidence that we are building or coaching an O-line to do the job. This goes beyond the players drafted
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 09:14 am
I think it goes to the "best 5 on the field" approach...which seems to be more about pushing the pawns around rather than finding the best fit, right now, for a hole.
IMO, I think this works better when you have a week to prep a guy for a spot in an upcoming game, but as we've seen struggles more when you juggle the pieces due to an in-game injury.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 09:32 am
Since he arrived here, having never played RT really in college, the coaches have never given him an extended run at RT. To be fair to Morgan, it takes more than an in-week practice or two to teach him a new position.
It reminds me of Tom, whom they refused to consider at RT as a rookie while they played Newsome and Jenkins straight off major injury while he sat. By the next summer, Tom was magically the first and automatic RT, where he has remained.
They revealed they knew they had issues when Kinnard went in before Belton, then they prepared Belton and only then three the unprepared (visibly) Morgan out there when Tom went out (having presumably having had a good number of the reps in week. So being on notice they still took the worst possible path to preparing Morgan.
Razer
September 24, 2025 at 07:31 am
Offensive line issues really throw a wrench in the spokes of this team. We want to run the ball and Jacobs is a very good RB but the line get no push and there ain't much daylight coming through the holes. Injuries aside, you gotta wonder why we don't have one decent interior linemen to fill-in for injuries. Here we are scrambling to retrain a college tackle to play inside. Also curious why we didn't draft a decent center to start the grooming process. Who is the next man up at center? The O-line design and coaching philosophy on this front has me worried.
Doug_In_Sandpoint
September 24, 2025 at 08:07 am
Just a note on drafting college tackles…the Packers do this more often than not. Colleges play their best linemen at tackle. Therefore when we draft the best linemen they tend to be tackles. Then we move them to wherever the coaches think they are best suited or the greatest use yo us.
TKWorldWide
September 24, 2025 at 08:29 am
Beat me to it.
Guess I really AM a step slow these days.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 08:40 am
This is of course true as an overall generality, especially if blindside college Ts, but not every good college tackle has the ability to play as well or better inside. Bakh, for example, never really projected inside. Other college Ts (often RTs) were there primarily for run prowess (Josh Sitton notably). The point is it’s not a universal rule. It’s particularly questionable when converting college pass pro first type Ts into run blocking interior players: a lot depends on what they were asked to do that got them drafted.
We have seen enough individuals that it’s hard to credibly ascribe the long term struggles in run blocking to players alone. At some point collective performance over numerous individuals starts to look more like how they are trained and how they are asked to play. This is not a discussion new to this year but it’s one that has been thrust to the fore by the play so far this season.
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 09:42 am
"Bakh, for example, never really projected inside."
Bakh's scouting reports were littered with reference to his being destined to play guard, and I seem to remember after year 2 or 3 in GB some discussion of him potentially moving to the right side or inside, but that was a long time ago.
From NFL.com...
"Not an ideal build for an offensive lineman, thin in the arms. Many difficulties arise form pass blocking on an island. Beaten around the edge without slowing the rusher down and can lose face up against stiff contact due to not having the ability to stop backwards momentum. Move to guard is likely in his future. Deep drop steps aren't natural and stiff contact jolts him mid-stride. Loses on counter moves, thrown to the side when top heavy or leaning too far over, specifically when run blocking. Whiffs on cut blocks."
Whether that truly counts as a projection inside or not is up to question: I can understand taking anything outside of talk from Packers coaches as being easily cast aside. But in scouting circles he was certainly discussed that way.
FWIW
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 09:57 am
Bakh was thought by some to be unathletic and you cite one such evaluation. Even that reads as “not NFL physique “ so the writer throws the bone of ‘maybe G’ …. Overall, no one projected him as a successful interior NFL player.
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 10:10 am
True. And all those things are about projection.
Bakh clearly proved he belonged on the perimeter.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 10:54 am
To be fair to the Packers, neither the FO nor coaches at the time ever seemed to doubt that from the moment he arrived. What I remember with him even very early, was his ability to move fluidly. He never looked at all like the player the draft gurus described (other than the need to add strength). Since then, maybe Tom has been the nearest to that degree of positive mis-appraisal?
LambeauPlain
September 24, 2025 at 09:04 am
College Tackles for the RAS value and in the NFL, T is valued higher than IOL.
But I would guess the success rate of highly drafted IOL is high.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 10:04 am
To my mind that is true, but the Packers don’t want to pick players that only play one position and it’s that rather than the projected expectations for an interior player. While I do like versatility and see its value, I do not think it has to be every player in the OL room and I think it often adds to overdrafting and time to develop (and may lead to potential being capped at their best position).
Razer
September 24, 2025 at 09:11 am
I get that and the Packers have been doing this for decades but is it working for us these days. We are chronically weak at interior line play and lack much push on run plays. If it isn't for Josh Jacobs yards after contact, we would be a pass only team. If you are going to draft athletic college tackles and convert them to guards and centers you better have the best O-line coaching in the business.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 09:44 am
I saw a stat today that stunned me: of Jacobs’ total rushing yards this year, only 3 (three) are before contact.
That isn’t bad, that’s execrable to the point where the coaches not being excoriated is unacceptable. It reminds me of the response to STs under Bissacia’s predecessors.
LambeauPlain
September 24, 2025 at 09:55 am
Good thing we have the workhorse/thoroughbred JJ. Can you imagine AJ having to cope with all that trash after the handoff?
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 09:56 am
execrable
excoriated
...remind me not to play Scrabble with you, CW
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 10:08 am
Ex Scrabble?
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 10:20 am
BOOM!
mnbadger
September 24, 2025 at 10:51 am
That worked in the days of wide open, 45 passes per game football.
In today's game, gaurds are mammoth maulers, there to move people in the run game and anchor the middle when passing.
Very hard to take an agile, long winged tackle and turn him into a mauler.
We need some healthy (see A Banks) maulers.
GPG
packerbackerjim
September 24, 2025 at 08:18 am
The OL is inept at the run and pass. Until that gets rectified, expect struggles against teams that has a decent defense.
TKWorldWide
September 24, 2025 at 08:30 am
One decent interior linemen is a really tough ask. 😉🏈
From the Jungle Room
September 24, 2025 at 07:49 am
Great insights, Al! I have to say that I listened to this game on XM (Browns broadcast) during a long drive home from a wedding weekend. I'm not sure what it looked like on TV but I can say this, it sounded as bad/ugly as it probably looked. LISTENING to your team commit 16 penalties (14 accepted) may be more difficult than having to watch it. I'm sure about their bias, but the Browns announcers were complaining about non-called penalties! The Browns have a legit/legit D and will give a ton of teams a lot of trouble....but the Packers pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory in this game. We can easily point to Love's terrible INT, MLF's ineffective gameplan ( with 10 days to prepare), our kicking unit (Special Teams, my ass!), the highly questionable decisions made on the OL (Tom plays 1 down? Morgan plays 3 different positions?), some of these things are now an unfortunate MLF/staff trait.
But at the end of the day, the unforced errors from sloppy play are what bother me the most. By Week 3, there should some resemblance of cohesiveness and this game was as far from that as you can get. Outside of our D, which played another outstanding game and is shaping into a force, lots of "clean up" is required.....
MLF and his staff will have all eyes on them this week against an inferior Dallas team....he needs an emphatic team performance on all levels. We know that Mr. Policy didn't extend Gutey or MLF after this year.....well, Gutey has done his "prove it" job.....it's time for MLF to do his....
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 08:49 am
Last week the Dallas edge rushers managed zero pressures collectively against a dubious Chicago OL. Their leading threat is Kenny Clark with 9 pressures and one sack. If our OL struggles against them, we really have to start asking if Stenavich/Butkus should survive the season. No matter who starts and where.
On a more positive note, the Dallas OL is the worst rated in the league after 3 games. If ever there were a time to feast for our rushers, this would appear to be it. That combined with their terrible play in their secondary and this ought to be an opportunity to look a lot better than last week, deceptively so, without actually being much better.
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 10:07 am
"Last week the Dallas edge rushers managed zero pressures collectively against a dubious Chicago OL."
They added Clowney this week, but how much he's going to play and how much difference he'll make is up for debate. He's old but I wouldn't underestimate his ability to get to the QB. Clark is dinged up, and we all know he struggles when he's not 100%.
"On a more positive note, the Dallas OL is the worst rated in the league after 3 games"
Still, Dallas can run the football. They've been pretty effective when the game script allows them to keep the ground game active, but Dak is mistake prone--people who criticize Love should be glad it's not Dak taking snaps for the Packers--and will likely be without CeeDee Lamb. Dallas is -5 in +/- through 3 games.
"That combined with their terrible play in their secondary and this ought to be an opportunity to look a lot better than last week"
I've watched their games and their secondary looks like a bunch of Ahmad Carrolls running around back there.
Score first.
Play from ahead.
Doug_In_Sandpoint
September 24, 2025 at 07:58 am
On the bright side, you got to go to Idaho!
HarryHodag
September 24, 2025 at 08:53 am
I would hope the legions of angry Packers fans would go to Tom Silverstein's column in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. Perhaps it would help enlighten a fan base who thinks the Packers should win the Super Bowl after three games.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 09:02 am
Or one could look at the performance of the O through 12 quarters and of the STs and avoid the feel good placebo. The idea that we are good enough is threadbare. The D is. The O has not been outside the first quarter and an half in week one and the STs was not last week.
None of the problems are new this year either. They recur despite personnel changes. The only area where that is not so is under Hafley, where a good D seems now to have become better still and not solely due to Parsons.
HarryHodag
September 24, 2025 at 12:12 pm
If you read Silverstein's article, it was hardly a 'placebo' or a feel-good. But it was factual, something some of the rabid fan base often ignores.
One fact: if McManus makes the field goal against Cleveland, the haters would be cheering for a team that would be 3-0.
If you want to pick apart what is a pretty good football team, feel free but don't presume that yours is the only opinion.
The reality of the NFL is 'any given Sunday' whether the so-called fans will recognize it or not.
Firing everybody gets you Tennessee, the Jets or the Giants. Another fact that is often ignored.
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 01:19 pm
"One fact: if McManus makes the field goal against Cleveland, the haters would be cheering for a team that would be 3-0."
No. Most of the haters only post when they lose.
BuckyBadger
September 24, 2025 at 08:59 am
People like to act like the sky is falling and I am glad I was on vacation to start the week to miss it. People want to question play calling but the playbook sort of gets tossed when you lose your LT on the 1st play and you have to shift things around and play one of the best DLs in the NFL. On top of that your QB is having the yips today and can't even hit a screen pass. Why did it take so long to put the screen pass in Al ask? Love missed that throw twice at least during the game. He was off all game and that is sadly who he is sometimes.
When the opponents are creating havoc your offense becomes very limited. The weak link of the Packers appears to be the OL at the moment. The good news is if you drop a game and non division non conference opponent is the best one to drop to. Season is still young and the OL will have time to work things out.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 09:11 am
The 1 and 2 Browns have a good D and a very weak O. The 2 and one Packers have a very good D and a sputtering O and dubious STs. The Browns outscored us and they out coached us tactically and in terms of motivation.
Sure we will play better, we will play a far, far worse D this week and it may make us look much better, but that won’t get us to our goals or mean the problems are gone. We either improve the O and STs or this will be another ho hum season despite throwing the bank at Parsons. If so, it’s likely LaFleur’s last and with him Stenovich’s and Bisaccia’s.
LambeauPlain
September 24, 2025 at 09:59 am
"We either improve the O and STs or this will be another ho hum season despite throwing the bank at Parsons. If so, it’s likely LaFleur’s last and with him Stenovich’s and Bisaccia’s."
I hope this is not the case and both improve. If they do not while the D carries the team...one might think Hafley may not be a HC elsewhere.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 10:19 am
If Hafley and his D continue to hold up through the year, it’s quite possible that the powers-that-be realize that he is either gone or that they have to act now unless LaFleur’s offense blossoms dramatically to counter that impulse. Hafley could end up being a guy they feel they can’t let slip, especially post the Parsons investment.
BuckyBadger
September 24, 2025 at 10:47 am
MFL is not going anywhere. The fire everyone crowd is going to disappointed.
LambeauPlain
September 24, 2025 at 12:10 pm
January 2026 will tell the tale.
BuckyBadger
September 24, 2025 at 10:49 am
They will play good vs good defenses as well. You don't throw out everything because of one bad loss. All our goals are still in front of this team. Still one of the favorites in the NFC. Every team has a bad performance where they get caught off guard.
NFLfan
September 24, 2025 at 09:19 am
GB moves so slowly to make important coaching changes (firings) can someone in the Brain Trust at least fire Bisaccia?
bleedgreen
September 24, 2025 at 06:08 pm
At year end promote Hafley to HC before he leaves and move MLF to OC if he wants it. If not adios. MLF is not getting us to a championship.
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 09:36 am
"After last week praising the Packers playing complementary football, reducing penalties and Love knowing when to throw the ball away,"
Three games is a small sample size, but the penalty count was 4 vs. Detroit, 10 vs. Washington, and 14 vs. Cleveland. Let's pump the brakes on the penalties thing. Prior to 2023, the Packers were a more mature roster and among the least penalized in the league. Since then, the young Packers have been among the most and have struggled with penalties pre-snap and lining up. We'll see how this plays out (of course) but it's looking as if this is a roster in need of some growing up on the penalty front if it doesn't want to be playing from behind that 8-ball on a regular basis.
By the way, when 1 got called for offsides twice late in the game, do we think that maybe Jerrah was winking at his TV screen?
The defense played winning football on Sunday: at least, good enough to win against an offense like the Browns, who--if they feature this Judkins kid and lean on their defense might win a few--really didn't threaten the Packers until they were staked to a possession on the 4 yard line. This was exactly the kind of game script the Browns needed if they were going to win...and they capitalized on it.
The offense is too streaky at this point and it's handcuffed by a beat up OL. When Love dropped back and got the ball out on rhythm, the Packers moved the ball...they just couldn't do much else. And that's exactly what the Browns were expecting on the late INT: they didn't respect the downfield route (Kraft) and squatted on the quick slant to Wicks.
In the end, this team will only go as far as the OL will take it. They need to cobble something together for this week and beat Dallas....some are saying that Cleveland blueprinted the way to beat the Packers, but they really didn't do much that Detroit and Washington didn't try to do, and there are only a couple teams in the league that can bring a defense like Cleveland's. It's silly for a beat up and undermanned Dallas defense to think they're going to to that to the Packers...I hope they try. But this offense needs to get its legs under it and get to the bye 3-1.
...a good offense keeps STs on the sidelines.
"As to be expected, there was plenty of jumping up and down and screaming and other assorted vitriol after this loss from fans on the internet. Everyone sucks and needs to be fired, of course"
The sourpuss off-season narratives always re-emerge at this point whether they're relevant to what happened on the field or not.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 25, 2025 at 02:54 am
"When Love dropped back and got the ball out on rhythm"
For me, this is a chicken versus the egg issue. The ball coming out on time (i.e., in rhythm) presupposes a bunch of things going right, at least most of them.
1. Good play called vs. the defense or defender in question.
2. WR beats the defender or is smart and finds the hole.
3. Available throwing lane.
4. OL does not allow an unblocked guy to hit the QB.
5. Everyone is on the same page.
6. Basics in place: clean snap, no fumbles, drops or penalties.
Etc.
RCPackerFan
September 24, 2025 at 09:40 am
"Micah Parsons is pretty much held on every pass rush, sometimes quite obviously."
I don't get how he doesn't draw a lot more holding penalties. He is held on almost every play.
"As to be expected, there was plenty of jumping up and down and screaming and other assorted vitriol after this loss from fans on the internet. Everyone sucks and needs to be fired, of course. For my part, I was feeling a bit like the Packers may have been a bit overconfident going onto this game. Perhaps this is an early wake up call to never take anything for granted in the NFL. And if they're going to get a wake up call, better it happens now and not against a division opponent. It's a long season."
I definitely hope this is the wake up call the team needs. They came off 2 great games against 2 tough teams. Then they had what should be a let down against the browns. I want to see them come out on fire against the Cowboys.
LambeauPlain
September 24, 2025 at 09:45 am
Until the Packers OL run blocks effectively and consistently, other teams will copy the Browns Defensive Plan.
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 09:50 am
Game plan to beat the Packers:
1. Get Myles Garrett, Maliek Collins and Mason Graham.
2. ...well, it falls apart for most teams at 1. ;)
I jest, but most teams don't have the wherewithal to do what the Browns did and make it hold up.
Your point about the OL is a good one, though,
LambeauPlain
September 24, 2025 at 10:05 am
Oh, I think, after 3 games, it is clear how to defend the Packers Offense, even sans Garrett, Collins, Graham.
Pressure cooker on Love. No need to sell out against the run and crowd the box. Packers run game is not to be feared right now. That's what the Browns did and expect what Jerry's kids will do.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 10:57 am
I don’t think Dallas has the horses to do it beyond Kenny, if he’s healthy. I do not feel like this week should be a test we ought to need to worry about on that score, or draw much reassurance from if that proves the case.
mnbadger
September 24, 2025 at 10:58 am
The eagles do.
GPG!
LambeauPlain
September 24, 2025 at 09:42 am
"Question: Why did it take until the third quarter for the Packers to realize they could combat the pass rush with a screen pass and a designed Love keeper?"
Good question, Al. I have wondered what the OL coaches devised for a game plan against the KNOWN: the Browns consistently productive pass rush.
The Browns D had a great game plan. Fearing the Packers pass game far more than the run game (they should!), they invested in creating consistent pressure on Love up front and take their chances playing eyes on the QB read and react zone pass D. It worked because they also swarm to the ball and tackle really well.
Did the Packer O coaches not expect this? Because the OL players played like they didn't.
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 09:53 am
"Did the Packer O coaches not expect this? Because the OL players played like they didn't."
It seemed like the OL was jumpy and the Browns' pass rushers were in their head. I thought the refs could have easily called an additional 4-5 false starts on the Packers from linemen trying to get a jump into their sets.
LambeauPlain
September 24, 2025 at 10:08 am
Agree. Lots of thinking by the OL and confusion on assignments. Early in the 1st qtr, Jenkins let a DT fly right past him untouched to wreck the pass play. Very uncharacteristic for him. Bad omen.
Coldworld
September 24, 2025 at 10:25 am
It’s not just been individual play but a lack of cohesion. This line looks like they don’t know what their neighbors are doing instinctively and certainly not timing. There seems to be frequent confusion as to assignments, one of which you reference. It’s not just player quality.
Certainly injuries are a factor. Tom is our best player and Banks a veteran, but, with the exception of Morgan at RT this week, they have all practiced extensively at those positions. Thus, even allowing for loss of quality/experience due to injuries, they should be assignment sure. That does not appear to be the case though and can only be coaching.
stockholder
September 24, 2025 at 10:15 am
After the first two wins.
An aura of invincibility was shattered by a surprising defeat.
It was a tremendous sigh of relief to the rest of the league.
But the momentum shift might be internal now.
The fear the league felt with the addition of Parsons.
Just became wasted and No longer exists.
And that is the true damage of the lost to the Browns.
dobber
September 24, 2025 at 10:24 am
You're only as good as your last game.
The Packers weren't good against Cleveland, but it wasn't because the defense was bad.
If they smack Dallas around, the league will recalibrate.
jannesbjornson
September 24, 2025 at 12:06 pm
This guy doesn't know how to call a designed trap scheme, or a draw play to iso a DE? Love's inability to consistently execute the swing passes and work the hook zones is mind boggling. These plays are the basis of
countering a pass rush and maybe hurry up the pace of your play calls to the QB. Love has to see Kraft rub off clean and free the seam route. The Browns anticipated Love's tendencies. Schwartz controlled the tempo. When you have a chance to select the best center in a draft, best go for it. This mix-n-match with the O line is another bad dream taking you back to the 2020 Playoffs.
Packerpasty
September 24, 2025 at 07:49 pm
they probably still fear Parsons but they sure dont fear MLF, Love and the offense....the running game sucks, Love cant hit a short swing pass hardly ever and MLF cant make in game adjustments when things go south...