Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - New Year, New Plans, Better Decisions?
The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.
By JerseyAl

Happy New Year to all of you reading this and to the Green Bay Packers. I don't know if they made any resolutions for 2025, but perhaps coming up with better game plans so as to not have to dig themselves out of early holes against top teams would be a good one. Here's how they have started out against the Lions and Vikings this year: Down 28-0 to Minnesota, down 24-3 to Detroit, down 17-7 to Detroit, and down 20-3 to Minnesota. Of course we've heard repeatedly this season, "We have to start faster in these games!" Well no kidding, but it hasn't changed has it? The Packers seem to have arrived at the decision that taking the ball first will be the thing that gets them off to a fast start. Sure, the potential is there if you execute, but it's no sure thing - especially on the road when the fans are always super hyped and noisy on the game's first series and much more so if their team is on defense. On the road, I would almost always opt to take the ball to start the second half if given the option.
The second thing they can plan to do is be more patient and not overreact to early failure. This past game is a perfect example. The Packers were moving the ball consistently on their first offensive series with some easy, safe passes and Josh Jacobs plowing through the Vikings defense. Then he fumbled. Ok, those things happen and the defense got a stop so, "no harm no foul." They get the ball back on their own 15 yard line and what do they do - three straight downfield passes. The first was 20 yds downfield, the next was 30 yds downfield and the third was 15-20 yds (hard to tell who the pass was intended for). After Jacobs fumbles, the first thing I'm doing on the next series is going right back to him. A pissed off Josh Jacobs would be a very bad thing for the Vikings to have to deal with. Pick up where you left off (with what was working, duh!), Josh Jacobs and quick passes - let Love find his rhythm.
How many times have you seen teams burn the Packers on a blitz by having a hot read receiver just run into whatever area the blitzer came from? How many times have you seen the Packers offense do that? (Shhh, that's a rhetorical question). You KNOW the Vikings are going to blitz - make them pay for it at least once in awhile.
Based on what I've seen from Love and the Packers offense, come the first playoff game, I pull a surprise move on the first series and come out in tempo (or even no huddle).
The WR1 controversy has resurfaced this week with the Packers receivers seemingly having issues getting open on Sunday with all the man coverage the Vikings were using. While Lafleur's lament on this is "guys just gotta get open," that turns me off because it reminds me of the later McCarthy years where he did little to try to scheme receivers open and the offense stagnated. My first thought on this is how about better use of Tucker Kraft (he just catches everything and gets you YAC). Get him a target on a seam route - it's a pass Love throws very well. Or how about using the running backs more in the passing game. The Packers will do it for a game here and there and then just forget about it. What about pick plays or other man beaters? Finally, now that he's healthy, and with the defense in man coverage, encourage Love to use his legs if there are openings. There are other options if the one thing you like to do most in the passing game isn't working.
Of course, I do realize I'm bellyaching about an offense that is averaging over 27 points per game for the season and almost 32 points per game over their last six games, but as they all say every week in the interviews, there were opportunities for more that they didn't capitalize on. Come playoff time, we want ALL the points.
As for the defense, there is only one thing I can fairly criticize the defense for and that is the continual lack of pressure from a front four of mostly 1st round picks. Against a team with the likes of Jefferson, Addison, Nailor, Hockensen, etc, you can't afford to blitz much, so the front four have to disrupt the quarterback. Darnold is known for holding the ball as much as or more than any QB in the league. The Packers allowed that to continue without any pressure on him, which had him looking like freakin' Joe Montana out there. Wyatt going out early definitely affected the pass rush even more. I've seen someone here (Coldworld, I believe) say they need a twitchy speed DE/DL to compliment all the power types they have and I couldn't agree more. That was one of my first thoughts when I learned of the scheme change to a 4-3.
Finally, don't underestimate the affect the injury to Zayne Anderson had as well. Whether he's a great player or not doesn't matter. The fact is they practiced all week with him at safety, Bullard in the slot and Nixon at outside corner. Anderson's injury meant Stokes (our favorite) came in at corner, Nixon moved to the slot and Bullard moved back to safety. The effect of the position shuffles showed up early on with the blown coverage on the Nailor TD. It looks like it should have been Bullard's responsibility, but I don't know for sure. At this point in his NFL career, Bullard's best play is as close to the line of scrimmage as possible and not covering receivers out in space. That could change as he develops, but right now, the less space he needs to worry about the better.
Food for thought. The Athletic talked to 40 NFL executives and coaches and asked them to rank the best NFL front offices with emphasis on the GMs. The Packers and Brian Gutekunst came in sixth. Looking forward to the comments.
“Gutekunst’s humility and authenticity and being a smart football guy really shows up,” an executive said. “He’s very process-driven. There’s no panic there. They’ve made good decisions in free agency. They know their roster. They know their head coach. It’s more of a methodical, process-driven deal where they don’t rush to make a quick fix. They trust their process.”
Go Pack Go and Beat the Bears!
linkhouse
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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of various hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He's a lifetime Packers fan living in the land of the Giants (and Jets). Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP.
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Comments (149)
HawkPacker
January 01, 2025 at 06:53 am
Al, as usual, you make a lot of valid points.
I have been saying for awhile now, to put Willis in the game in the Wildcat formation. You know that their opponent has not game planned for that. I think that would have jump started the running game as well.
fthisJack
January 01, 2025 at 06:57 am
That is what I was about to say except sprinkle in a few series a game when the offense is stagnating. His legs are a game changer in my book.
HawkPacker
January 01, 2025 at 08:20 am
His passing appears to be much better than previously advertised as well.
dobber
January 01, 2025 at 09:10 am
I wish the Packers gave Willis the 4th quarter against the Saints. I hope the Packers hammer the Bears in the first half Sunday and get Willis a second half full of snaps so they can showcase him for trade. His contract is up after 2025, and he's likely to leave for a chance to start--so they'll get a comp pick for him anyway, but if they can do better by trade, more power to them. Still have to find a new backup, though.
Coldworld
January 01, 2025 at 10:35 am
It was as frustrating in microcosm as not playing Love at all while Rodgers was injured in 2022. Not as significant long term perhaps, but Willis might be the most interesting QB on the market soon, possibly after Darnold, in a year with little obvious cause for excitement in the draft. It’s also quite possible we will need him in the playoffs. I’m hoping he gets an extended period of play on Sunday. He might just be our route to a trade that can get us the draft capital or a player to elevate our OL or DL. That game was visibly dead a few snaps after Smith went out.
Mister Chievous
January 01, 2025 at 11:15 am
why in the hell would you trade a reliable backup QB? love gets injured next year and the season goes to hell? that's the dumbest idea I have heard here in a long time.
LLCHESTY
January 01, 2025 at 11:40 am
Sounds like you haven't been paying very close attention. There's probably a half a dozen dumber comments on this thread.
I think it makes sense to keep him another year but, and I doubt it happens, if someone offers a 1st or high 2nd for him they'd have to be tempted. I only hope if they do trade him he goes into a decent situation. He seems like genuinely nice guy and I'd like to see him get a chance to succeed.
dobber
January 01, 2025 at 12:45 pm
Why did they trade Brunell? Hasselbeck? Brooks?
...because all players are assets. All those guys were going to eventually move on in free agency for a chance to play and make some coin...Doug Pederson did. Matt Flynn did. Yes, he has significant value as a backup QB, but if an offer exceeds the value to you (sell high), you take the offer.
Willis has a limited shelf life: he is going to walk after 2025 unless he fails miserably in game action and can't generate interest. If someone gives you value, you deal him.
dobber
January 01, 2025 at 12:32 pm
I got lots more! ;)
TKWorldWide
January 02, 2025 at 05:41 pm
And I resemble that remark!
mnbadger
January 01, 2025 at 10:52 am
While I agree, it's never a good sign when we're hoping qb2 gets more playing time.
GPG!
dblbogey
January 01, 2025 at 10:45 pm
Jersey Al, you're the best. Thanks for another great read.
TKWorldWide
January 01, 2025 at 06:59 am
Happy New Year, everyone!
I appreciate the league-wide opinion on the GB FO. I think most fans are pretty tough on their own team, mostly due to a myopic view. I’ve suggested many times over the years that greater familiarity with the NFL as a whole will help Packer fans appreciate what we’ve got right here. I know the “SB or bust” types won’t like that, but there are 31 fan bases every year that go unsatisfied.
GPG!
murf7777
January 01, 2025 at 07:55 am
Great comment TK, I couldn't have said it better.
Fanatic fans know their team inside and out, but lack the same knowledge of other teams simply because they don’t spend or have the time to know them to a similar level. Unless it is your full time job I can’t see how anyone could. For me, I enjoy the sustained success the Packers have had over the past 30+ years. Like anyone I’d like more SB victories, but if that is all I focused on I’d end up disappointed most of the time. In fact, if I was a fan of the Lions or many other teams I’d end up disappointed every year. I choose not to live that way because I have great appreciation for what our Management and players have accomplished over the years, especially because I know what it was like being a fan of the 70”s and 80’s.
Thank you to Harlan for getting this all started in the right direction.
Happy New Year and here’s to another great year in 2025!
Mister Chievous
January 01, 2025 at 11:20 am
I remember the 70s and 80s all too well so I concur
KenEllis
January 01, 2025 at 10:09 am
"there are 31 fan bases every year that go unsatisfied."
And the fan bases of 9 other teams (29% of the other franchises in the NFL) have been satisfied at least one time since the last time the Packers were even in a Super Bowl. Two of those franchises have been satisfied multiple times since Green Bay's last appearance.
I know the "at least we're not the Browns, Jags, or Bears" portion of the fan base won't like it, but next year will mark 15 years since the the franchise that plays in "Title Town" actually played for the NFL Title.
It may be the myopia kicking in, but personally I'd like the Pack to get to another Super Bowl sometime between now and 2038 rather than spending another 14 years watching other franchises play for a Lombardi Trophy.
Mister Chievous
January 01, 2025 at 11:22 am
you can thank that stupid tight end who decided to try to field the onside kick vs Seattle rather than block and let a waiting Jordy Nelson gather it in, as was his assignment
LLCHESTY
January 01, 2025 at 11:43 am
"Two of those franchises have been satisfied multiple times"
Wow, usually you have to pay for that kind of action Cotton.
TKWorldWide
January 01, 2025 at 04:38 pm
Nobody opposes more SB’s.
But anyone who thinks “Gute sucks” is simply mistaken.
jvole
January 01, 2025 at 07:29 am
I think that ranking of Gutekunst seems about right. I think he or his staff go wrong when they deviate far from consensus in early 1st to 2nd rounds. Josh Myers, Eric Stokes, Quay Walker, and AJ Dillon come to my mind. Van Ness...not sure he will ever figure it out.
Wyatt seems like he could come on; Gary's past injuries seem to have slowed him. Stokes might have been better without the numerous injuries. Anyway, it would be interesting to see aggregate rankings pre-draft relative to post-draft performance.
Mister Chievous
January 01, 2025 at 11:25 am
not a top flight wr among them
jvole
January 01, 2025 at 05:56 pm
If Christian Watson can stay healthy, I think he can be superstar.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 01, 2025 at 10:56 pm
As can Reed and Doubs.
jvole
January 02, 2025 at 05:55 am
Reed, yes totally agree. I think Doubs will be a Donald Driver type, just super solid but maybe not a superstar. He doesn't have the top line speed or elusiveness but he gets open and doesn't drop balls (very often). So I think the receiver corps is one of Gute's bright spots, though I wish he had started restocking the shelves a little sooner when it looked like Davante was set on leaving.
PackEyedOptimist
January 01, 2025 at 07:35 am
It seems ridiculous to even BEGIN to think that a fan might have a clearer vision of a pro team than its coaches, but I feel like you really have said things that Matt LaFleur should read. 😃
I agree with everything you said, Al (and I’ve said all the same things over the past week).
As far as the speed rusher, I’d like to see Q Walker used that way more as a blitzing OLB along with Cooper. It might mean dropping one of the front four, but they’ve been doing that anyway.
I won’t be surprised if they draft one as well.
I agree that Anderson’s injury had a huge impact on the defense; it was one of those “for want of a nail, the horse was lost; for want of a horse the battle was lost; for want of the battle the war was lost” deals.
As far as the short passing game, I think LaFleur runs scared of opponent’s strengths— he seems to do it in most games. It is good to be AWARE of their strengths, but they also need to be challenged. I think he’s kind of gunshy about the possibility of interceptions against certain teams: ones with good safeties and pass covering linebackers.
mnbadger
January 01, 2025 at 11:01 am
For once, I paid close attention to the shots of the head coaches.
mlf looked scared, angry and lonely.
ko looked giddy and joyful. He always had people (coaches, players other staff) around him, conversing, scheming even laughing.
one seems to be in over his head or having a tooth pulled w/o novacaine.
The other seems to be in total control, even enjoying the challenges of the game.
I wish we had ko, sorry.
GPG!
Mister Chievous
January 01, 2025 at 11:36 am
lafleur is the currently second winningest coach in the league, and that includes ko. if gute would get a couple good wrs, our record would be way better. further, if gute had acquired a good kicker, we'd have 14 wins this season and would have beaten the niners in the playoffs last year. that, and if love would have just continued to run for the first down instead of throwing that absurd pick near the end of the game.
Oppy
January 01, 2025 at 06:12 pm
I don't know for certain but I have a feeling Gutekunst was targeting McManus before the season started. I don't think it's a coincidence he was signed immediately after the NFL cleared him of any punishment from the sexual misconduct allegations.
My impression is that the only reason he wasn't signed before the season is that there was a chance he could have been suspended by the league. When he was cleared, he was signed. There wasn't really anyone else out there.
MainePackFan
January 01, 2025 at 01:18 pm
You would be giddy too if you had Jefferson and Addison ; ) For me, I'm fine with the shade of green on our own grass.
pantz_bURp
January 01, 2025 at 07:55 am
"Trust the Process"
I like that. I will come up with my own game plan for my life in 2025 and then, as a fan of the Green Bay Packers.
What I love is all the people that care enough to visit CheeseHeadTV or other forums to voice their opinions or read other people's opinions. (maybe even fans from other teams that stop by from time to time).
I appreciate this form of expression being free...thank you CHTV. I am thankful for being a honest to goodness fan of the Green Bay Packers (which will never change).
Now, onto the heavy stuff. One of my NY resolutions is to limit the amount of down votes to 25 a day. What that means for some of you is that I will have to skip over your posts. Please don't take it personally. I only have so much time on this beautiful spinning orb and want to walk the walk and be aware of my pad level in life.
Mother Teresa, I hope you are smiling. Mona Lisa, let your hair down.
Love and stuff,
P-Burp
Mister Chievous
January 01, 2025 at 11:38 am
"Mother Teresa, I hope you are smiling. Mona Lisa, let your hair down.". shouldn't it be the other way around?
pantz_bURp
January 01, 2025 at 01:32 pm
Mister C, yes indeed.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 01, 2025 at 11:00 pm
Pad level pantz!
mrtundra
January 01, 2025 at 08:06 am
So we need a twitchy, speedy DE/DL. Have anyone in mind? In the draft? In FA? I saw that the 49ers are $14 million over the cap and will have to sign Purdy, at some point. There may be a fire sale there. Anyone there we could use, without killing our cap space? Is there a list of FAs, league wide, yet? I want to see our guys all healthy and on the field, before we talk of getting new guys. It's a bit early to start doing mock drafts. Any college players we could be interested for our 4/3 Defense? For our Offense?
Coldworld
January 01, 2025 at 10:47 am
Abdul Carter would be ideal, but we won’t be in reach of him unless we pull off some huge trade. He’s a near consensus top prospect as a rusher. Unfortunately the bulk of the highest touted this year are more big powerful types and I have not really started to dive into this further where the more speed/agility guys seem to be. The only other possible early ish pick I see (who isn’t more of what we have currently) is James Pierce, Tenn., though he needs some technical growth. There will be options in this draft, but how many are likely ready to help early I’ve no idea at this point.
packerbackerjim
January 01, 2025 at 11:00 am
I like them both. Though not a FA, Miles Garrett has expressed his frustration with the Browns and wants to see how they realistically invision a SB. He would be quite expensive in terms of draft capital and cap. As Dr Ruth used to say, it is ok to fantasize.
Coldworld
January 01, 2025 at 11:08 am
Willis for Garrett? One could hope, he’d help them move on cap wise. As you say, probably fantasy, but that is allowed at this point.
LLCHESTY
January 01, 2025 at 11:55 am
There were people that thought Pierce had a shot at being the 1st pick in the draft before they season started. He didn't have as good a season this year compared to last year sack wise but he did have a few more pressures overall. I seriously doubt he falls that far but he's exactly the type of bendy speed guy they need. I think he's a long down and distance plug and play guy that will need a couple years to be a full time starter.
PeteK
January 01, 2025 at 01:46 pm
Sweat of the Eagles is going to be a FA and would be a decent upgrade.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 01, 2025 at 11:08 pm
Sweat of the Eagles sounds like it should be a Steve Miller song, lol
Mister Chievous
January 01, 2025 at 11:41 am
you have a point. we got rid of smith to free up snaps for our young des to prove themselves. cox is showing. have a couple games left to see what they can do.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 01, 2025 at 11:10 pm
Mr Tundra, mock drafts have been mainstay from sports analysts for weeks already. But I agree with you, concentrate on finishing this season first.
Bearmeat
January 01, 2025 at 08:07 am
I think MLF is at the point where he is frustrated with his offense not executing in games what they’ve practiced successfully all week. The WRs especially. Five times now. The offense seems tight in big games. Perhaps Nagler is right about MLFs uptight nature rubbing off on his young team.
Coldworld
January 01, 2025 at 10:53 am
Or perhaps MLF and his game plans and calls are part of the reason. That would play into the fact that we are often better late on against good teams, when those have been abandoned. It’s pretty frustrating that he barely called any conventional man coverage beating routes in the last game.
It’s pretty frustrating he didn’t call many routes used to combat stacked boxes against the Lions or the Saints in the second half. If there is legitimate frustration it’s probably not his. Put your players in a position to win versus what the opponent is doing. Too often we look eerily like MM’s “just beat your man” era where we refused to help ourselves.
That works when you play bad D’s and when your QB has time to make or extend plays. It doesn’t work when the opponent has talent and our QB is constantly being moved. Especially if play action disappears, as it often has.
Unless you think our catchers (I include TEs) have no talent, and I don’t believe that, the fact is a coach being frustrated by general and repeated underperformance has only himself and his staff to look to. A competent coach adjusts to help his players unlock their potential.
The only alternative is that our skill position players are significantly overrated and, as Stockholder would claim, Gute just hasn’t given LaFleur the pieces. I personally do not believe that, but it’s at least logical if the proposition is accepted. Excusing LaFleur and his staff otherwise simply is to miss the wood for the trees.
Bearmeat
January 01, 2025 at 12:58 pm
You have been on the "MLF is overrated" spiel for years. I'll give you props for being consistent. I just disagree with you. The early MLF problems can be traced directly to #12 and Pettine's defense. MLF owns Barry for sure. But his offenses have consistently been good, and Haf looks like a great hire. Even if they don't get over the hump this year (which it looks bad right now), the future is still bright.
To answer your question: I think our weapons are talented, and young. I think they all are in a collective 2nd year slump, except Watson, and to a lesser extent, Doubs. And yes, that includes Love. Do you remember how bad Jordy was in 2009? Jones in 2009? Jennings in 2006? Adams in 2015?
SicSemperTyrannis
January 01, 2025 at 11:14 pm
I'll say it again: MLF is a great offensive mind but all his weaknesses are in the HC position. Does anybody do everything he does as both OC and HC, and do it well? Recently he admitted to not even thinking about things like clock management and challenge flags, HC duties. While all those things need to be handled, personnel groups and playcalls still need to be made. Let him stick with that and delegate the rest to someone else!
pantz_bURp
January 01, 2025 at 08:16 am
I had a vision last night (or actually wee wee into early morning hours?).
I was "The Teacher" and you all were part of my flock. I was leading you into greener and golder pastures. I was good and I was patient. I carried Stock for a while and waited for Egbert and a few others to catch up with the rest of us.
I was sent by a higher power or energy to assist in the evolution of your football spirit and wisdom.
I welcome you all. [I then raised my hands to the horizon and emphatically exclaimed]: "Welcome to Flock U."
* I am carrying a staff whittled by Gute. It is part diamond willow with black walnut accents.
** Now, maybe the premonition was real or perhaps the Ice Hole bottle I downed was the source? I too am flawed...just not as much as some. I love you all brothers and sisters. Peace. It's okay to sometimes put down the G, if only to help carry the We.
Coldworld
January 01, 2025 at 11:06 am
"One repays a teacher badly if one always remains nothing but a pupil." Nietzsche
pantz_bURp
January 01, 2025 at 11:31 am
Cold, I like your style. Now, we gotz to get you and Coach LaF to hug it out. 😉
LLCHESTY
January 01, 2025 at 11:57 am
Merry New Year Pantz!
pantz_bURp
January 01, 2025 at 08:08 pm
Thanks LLC, right back at you brother! 👌👍
PeteK
January 01, 2025 at 02:02 pm
That's some mighty good herb.
Leatherhead
January 01, 2025 at 08:31 am
We have a good front office.
We are starting slow in these games, the offense does seem a little....tight. We shouldn't choose to receive the opening kickoff. I always think that you focus on the basics. In baseball, if you're in a slump, just try to hit the ball right back to the pitcher. for example. Our offense just needs to keep it basic for the first couple of possessions, because we're good enough we don't have to be tricky. Get some points on the board and see if that loosens up the offense.
We get to beat the Bears. That will close out the season. We've made the playoffs, which is the purpose of the regular season. I think we CAN beat any of the NFC opponents, but there's always a difference between Can and Will. The offense has to show up because we're not going to beat good teams on the road with 21 points.
JerseyAl
January 01, 2025 at 08:44 am
To quote Jerry Kramer, "You CAN if you WILL."
LambeauPlain
January 01, 2025 at 10:05 am
During my management career, we discussed "can do, and will do" criteria for hiring prospects. Talent is important. Past performance is most important when evaluating it.
The Packers have many players and coaches who do both. And a few who can do it, yet often will not for a variety of reasons. Yeah, I am thinking of CB...
LLCHESTY
January 01, 2025 at 12:04 pm
I just think Love has touch of that Favreness to him at the start of big games. Favre used to run around like a chicken with its head cutoff until he got blasted and then would settle down. LaFleur should give him some easy completions to start a game and get him settled down and if that doesn't work a linemen could have "whoopsy" block and see if that helps.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 01, 2025 at 11:20 pm
Also to quote Jerry Kramer: "I am NOT the assman!"
Starrbrite
January 01, 2025 at 06:21 pm
Too tight—I feel the opposite—too nonchalant. The Jacobs fumbled was sloppy and unfocused. Love appeared to have little urgency and moved to the scrimmage line line like he was walking his dog.
I didn’t see much fire until late.
NickPerry
January 01, 2025 at 08:43 am
Great "Polluted Thoughts" Al, many of them are the same things that drive me crazy about this team or MLF. Your point on the three downfield pass plays the series after Jacobs fumble is right on the money. LaFleur has done this same thing before and I'm sure he'll do it again. Jacobs had been running well and the O-Line was doing a good job run blocking.
I actually made that point on Zayne Anderson in "Gut Reactions" or one of the after the game pieces Sunday night. Losing Anderson meant more Stokes, moving Bullard back, and Nixon in the slot. Anderson had played very well IMO the week before and actually has a pretty high overall grade in PFF (80.8) as a safety compared to 48.6 for Bullard. O'Connell went RIGHT AFTER them the following drive and they scored the TD to Nailor...UGH!
Coldword is absolutely correct. This team really needs some speed on the edge. They need that guy that can get around the Tackle with some speed and bend to him. While they are at it, PLEASE get a WR who can beat man coverage on a more consistent basis. People aren't afraid of this WR Corps, especially when Watson is out...Tee Higgins please. A guy like Higgins could really open some things up for these other receivers too.
Most of knew the Packers were a year away when this season started. I still think that bit IMO they can't get everything they needs in this draft. They NEED a CB, NEED a Edge, and they NEED a WR. I don't know what Gute will do, but I trust him to get it done sooner that later.
Guam
January 01, 2025 at 09:44 am
Like you NP, I am one of those who thought this year would be a building year and 2025 would be the Packer's year. Young teams often need some hardship to learn the level of commitment necessary to win a championship. This year's Packers clearly lack the in-game focus and attention to detail to win it all (see: pre-snap penalties; communication issues in the secondary; dropped passes by WRs; in-game adjustment issues by the coaches). They have the talent to dominate lesser teams but don't have the "edge" to beat the best teams. Hopefully this year sharpens that edge and teaches the youngsters the level of preparation and focus needed to win against the best teams.
Johann
January 01, 2025 at 09:51 am
He had one game with three sacks last year, so we paid him top ten edge money…
SicSemperTyrannis
January 01, 2025 at 11:24 pm
#80 should substitute for #9 when he's out. Speed is similar enough to keep JL10 in touch with it, and 80 doesn't need too many deep strikes before commanding similar respect from opposing defenses. (Even though his catch radius is smaller)
cdoemel
January 01, 2025 at 08:50 am
What the heck has happened to Rashan Gary?
Leatherhead
January 01, 2025 at 08:59 am
Gary has played all 16 games. He has a few less sacks than Bosa and Parsons, and a comparable amount of tackles. And of course, he's had a much better year than Hutchinson.
Oh, and he's been stuffing the run, which is apparently the most important thing.
JerseyAl
January 01, 2025 at 09:22 am
Brandon Thorn, who focuses on OL and DL play, has a metric he calls "true pressure rate." By his metric, Gary is 46th out of 47th players with enough snaps to qualify. Interesting stuff. See chart at the bottom of this page: https: //tinyurl.com/bcpsxjdt (You'll just have to get rid of the space in the link when you copy and paste into your browser)
Leatherhead
January 01, 2025 at 10:54 am
He's one of the better players on the #6 scoring defense. He's played in every game. If that makes him one of the worst players , so be it. Me, I'd kind of question the validity of a system that has him 46th out 47.
I mean, we're the #6 scoring defense, despite rookies and backups in the secondary and apparent underachievers on the DL. Does that add up for you?
LLCHESTY
January 01, 2025 at 12:10 pm
They've had 16 players get sacks and 7 of them aren't D linemen. That's how it adds up for me. Quite simply, they're not getting it done with four. We all thought they had a lot of talent and depth on the D line before the season started but that was a bit of a mirage so Hafley had to adapt by blitzing a lot. Some blitzing is fine but good QBs will make you pay for the privilege.
Leatherhead
January 01, 2025 at 01:17 pm
That certainly explains why the Packers are 30th in blitz percentage, at 17.6%
""Hafley had to adapt by blitzing a lot"" (even though we're 30th)
"Not getting it done with 4"
Does that mean we aren't stuffing the run? Because we're stuffing the run. And we're 6th in scoring defense.
Because our Dline isn't getting it done. And that makes sense to you?
PeteK
January 01, 2025 at 02:12 pm
Our stats are beefed up against lower teams , but not up to par against SB contenders, receivers were roaming free in the plains of US Bank.
Leatherhead
January 01, 2025 at 02:30 pm
So you're saying that our defense is worse than it looks because we can't stop the good teams?
PeteK
January 01, 2025 at 07:07 pm
I'm saying it's not good enough to beat the top teams, and stats can be somewhat misleading.
LLCHESTY
January 02, 2025 at 04:37 pm
Now do 3rd downs. Just under ⅓ of the sacks have come from blitzers, partially do to Nixon and Cooper being very good at it and Walker being good at it.
Leatherhead
January 02, 2025 at 06:18 pm
Yes, let's keep moving the goal posts. It's not points, it's yards/rush. No, wait a minute, it's how many of our sacks come from the front 4.
When you finally decide what's important, let me know.
We're 6th in scoring defense, about 1 ppg better than last year. I'm not going to play the "move the goalpost" game with you.
TKWorldWide
January 01, 2025 at 10:01 pm
Maybe if they could get all 16 on the field at once…
PhantomII
January 01, 2025 at 04:11 pm
Let's just remember 70% of the schedule is underperforming teams, so stats are very skewed....it all matters, but if it does not get done against the best teams...that's your true ability as a defender against top level competition. If Gary was a force against the Vikings / Lions and Eagles I would say he's really good.
Leatherhead
January 02, 2025 at 06:19 pm
Half of everything, and everyone you know, is below average.
Mister Chievous
January 01, 2025 at 11:53 am
how often has he been asked to contain a running qbs, rush lane integrity, and all that. btw, it's complement, unless you are just wanting a real nice teammate to be added to the defense.
KenEllis
January 01, 2025 at 10:19 am
Aidan Hutchinson has 7.5 sacks on the season. He broke his leg in game 5 against Dallas.
Rashan Gary has 6.5 sacks on the season. He has played in all 16 games to date.
To the extent that he's remained healthy, Gary has indeed been more successful than Hutchinson.
Nick Bosa missed 3 games. He has 9 sacks. Micah Parsons missed 4 games. He has 9.5 sacks.
Considering he is one of the highest-paid Edge players in the NFL and plays for a team that is absolutely desperate for a pass rush, Rashan Gary has been one of if not the most overpaid players at his position in the NFL in 2024.
Leatherhead
January 01, 2025 at 10:48 am
Most overpaid because he has 3 sacks less than Bosa and Parsons and a comparable amount of tackles.
Ok. I understand. This is metric we're going to use to trash Gary
LLCHESTY
January 01, 2025 at 12:19 pm
Pass rush wise this is his worst season as a starter but he hasn't gotten much help from interior pressure since Wyatt went out with the ankle sprain. Clark was double teamed at the 3rd highest rate for DTs, Brooks was inconsistent and Wooden not very good. The last few games Wyatt was starting to look like he did before the ankle sprain and then Sunday he had 4 pressures in 10 pass rush snaps before leaving with a concussion. If you watch the Vikings 1st two drives you can see a clear difference when Clark and Wyatt were rushing compared to Wooden and Brooks on the 2nd drive.
I think Gary got too cute at the start of the season trying to be a speed rusher when his game is power. He still gets too deep on his rushes too often and could clean that up but it's much harder to sack a QB that can step up in the pocket because there's no interior rush.
jaxpackfan
January 01, 2025 at 09:09 am
I seem to recall that he played 4-3 Def End at Michigan and was solid in their scheme, but didn't fill up the stat sheet. GB drafted him because of his physical gifts and potential. He is getting the job done in a quiet way.
Leatherhead
January 01, 2025 at 10:49 am
This is exactly correctly. He is getting his job done quietly.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 01, 2025 at 11:26 pm
It's called an ACL injury. It would be amazing if he ever recovers fully.
dobber
January 01, 2025 at 09:06 am
"The Packers seem to have arrived at the decision that taking the ball first will be the thing that gets them off to a fast start. "
I think you should always defer if you win the coin flip, but are we saying "fast start" or trying to send a message to his team of wanting to be aggressive? Sometimes it's also saying they don't want the opposition to get first crack at setting the tone. Are those the same thing?
"The WR1 controversy has resurfaced this week "
Each Packers WR brings something different to the table: size, weight, speed. There aren't any clones in the WR room (which differs significantly from the DE/Edge group, where they have a bunch of clones). Watson is tall, fast, and linear. The tall and fast part tends to prototype more as a #1 WR. Ryan Wood had a nice piece on this on JSOnline, so I'll give him some credit for his work and helping to congeal my own observations.
jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2024/12/29/packers-learn-lesson-about-christian-watson-in-week-17-loss-to-vikings/77268146007/
Watson's the field-stretcher in this offense who threatens defenses deep with his speed and jump ball ability, and opponents see him that way. The Packers not only didn't have Watson on Sunday, but they really didn't try to fill that role in the offense on Sunday. Melton and Reed seem to be the most likely to push defenses deep in Watson's absence. That allowed the Vikings to keep the play in front of their weak secondary...remember that half of Love's completions went for 6 yards or less. Bottom line is that the Packers had to try to win playing small ball and that's exactly what the Vikings wanted.
I think the key idea was that in Watson's absence, the Packers didn't really try to do much to show new looks to the Vikings or to use their players in different ways to off-set the missing Watson. Does this argue that they need a "true #1" or that Watson is the de facto #1? The Packers continue to draft WR even though they have a deep group--they're reaching the point where they're going to have to make decisions on second contracts with these guys and they can't pay them all. I think it tells them that they need some redundancies in skill sets as much as it tells them they need a "true #1."
"Against a team with the likes of Jefferson, Addison, Nailor, Hockensen, etc, you can't afford to blitz much, so the front four have to disrupt the quarterback. "
That's one way to look at it. OR you could take the track that they're going to run Darnold into the ground, try to limit his options, and tackle the hot reads for short gains, and take your chances because you expect your offense to score...like the Vikings did to the Packers. From my perspective, mixing things up more would've been nice. I mentioned the other day that the MN radio crew (obnoxious shits) were riding Nixon from the start for his defensive holding calls and his inability to stay with the Vikings receivers--they were saying this from the first Addison completion.
"Food for thought. The Athletic talked to 40 NFL executives and coaches and asked them to rank the best NFL front offices with emphasis on the GMs. The Packers and Brian Gutekunst came in sixth. Looking forward to the comments."
You're on the clock, Stockholder.
Guam
January 01, 2025 at 09:28 am
"The Packers not only didn't have Watson on Sunday, but they really didn't try to fill that roll in the offense on Sunday."
Not sure I agree with that sentiment Dobber. Note the second possession by the Packers as described by Al where the Packers took three consecutive downfield shots of 20 yards or longer. There were other attempts downfield later in the game as well. They just didn't connect on any of them. What I didn't see from the Packers were any man beater routes (crosses or rub routes) during the game and that was odd because the Vikings played lots of man coverage. LaFleur lamented after the game that he didn't expect the Vikings to play so much man. I get that LaFleur may have been surprised, but OMG believe your eyes and pull some man beater routes out of the playbook!!! In-game adjustments are actually possible!
dobber
January 01, 2025 at 09:47 am
How many of those downfield attempts were covered (or well covered)?
Al's first of his "three plays" yesterday shows one of them.
I suspect that our takes are really headed in the same direction.
Guam
January 01, 2025 at 10:05 am
Maybe they are the same. The Packers took shots without Watson, albeit unsuccessfully. They failed at small ball when it was there for the taking. The Packer defense tried to do the same thing to the Vikings, but the Vikings succeeded at small ball.
LaFleur's in-game play calling was just crappy. O'Connell's wasn't
Coldworld
January 01, 2025 at 11:15 am
We ran a lot of routes that were probably better suited to zone. We were not using the classic man beater deep routes, like crossers. Ironically they are also the ones that are used a lot when your speed comes from smaller players. We also ran very few shorter man beaters aimed at getting Reed or Melton open in space to get YAC. Apparently neither can run a slant anymore, for example. Baffling and increasingly indefensible.
MainePackFan
January 01, 2025 at 02:37 pm
Furthermore, there never seemed to be a checkdown available when the pressure was coming, and the play was covered. For example, as I remember, there was a 3rd and 5 around mid-field and they threw it 20 yards down the field to a double covered receiver (Melton?) No slant, flat or other checkdown option in sight. Baffling indeed.
Leatherhead
January 01, 2025 at 12:00 pm
Yes, defer if you win the flip.
Yes, on the WR1 thing. This is a good group.
Yes, on Watson's ability to stretch the field, and to making opposing defenses respect that. In his absence, IMO, Wicks/Melton don't really offer what he does. But still, Doubs and Reed are either not getting open or Love isn't getting them the ball.
The engine to the offense is RB; we're 8-0 when Jacobs gets 20 touches, and he got a season low 13 against Minnesota. This could have been a different game.
I still don't understand what happened on that 17 min. stretch that saw the score change from 3-0 to 3-20, but one of the things was that we completed 2 of 4 for 8 yards, punted once and turned it over on downs once, and this has been one of the most efficient passing attacks in the league. Meanwhile, the Vikings scored a field goal on the last drive of the half and then a TD to start the second half and it went from 3-10 to 3-20 without us ever getting the ball.
Starrbrite
January 01, 2025 at 06:25 pm
Yes!—defer if you win the flip.
LLCHESTY
January 01, 2025 at 12:25 pm
Didn't they find that deferring gave teams one extra possession more often than not? You hardly ever see teams not deferring these days. Like Al said on the road it's especially questionable.
MainePackFan
January 01, 2025 at 02:42 pm
It could be that coaches would rather have that possession in the flow of the game rather than the feeling out process of the opening kickoff.
Leatherhead
January 01, 2025 at 05:45 pm
At the half, it's a 30 min. game and getting the ball first is a bigger advantage than it would be in a 60 min game. Last week, down 13-3 at the half, wouldn't it have been nice to get the ball first? If you don't score on your first possession AND stop the opponent on their first possession, it's not really an advantage.
Bitternotsour
January 02, 2025 at 08:51 pm
so too would being in the lead with your extra first half possession. it doesn't matter if you take the ball or defer. The only thing that matters is scoring when you have the football.
you're usually much more logical.
Leatherhead
January 02, 2025 at 06:21 pm
I'd would be SO interested in how that happens with alternating possessions. If anything, it might give you a chance at the first and last possession of the second half, which would give you one more drive.
Guam
January 01, 2025 at 09:08 am
Happy New Year everyone!
One of your best articles ever Al! So many good points but the one that resonated most was the offensive design by MLF versus the blitz. Most teams emphasize getting the ball out quickly versus a blitz (passes to the RBs in the flat, quick slants to WRs, passes over the middle to TEs, etc. etc.) and yet we see very little of any of that from the Packers. LaFleur seems to prefer attacking downfield versus blitzes. I don't get it.
LeFleur, for all of his offensive abilities, still doesn't seem able to adjust to unexpected changes from opposing defenses. He wasn't prepared for the Vikings playing so much man coverage last week. Every team has man beater routes (crosses, rub routes, delays) in their playbook, why can't LaFleur make these in-game adjustments? LaFleur has many excellent qualities but I believe he needs to give up play calling and delegate that to the OC (whether Steno or someone new).
Johann
January 01, 2025 at 09:58 am
or maybe he should be someone’s OC since everyone claims that he’s great at that..?
Guam
January 01, 2025 at 10:07 am
His record is good enough he deserves the chance to fix this before becoming someone else's OC........
Coldworld
January 01, 2025 at 11:22 am
How many years will we say that? He’s 7 years in. He’s not changing dramatically. He didn’t when Rodgers left, he’s still the same LaFleur and so are many of the issues.
How would you feel if the Bears magically stole him from us for next year? Would you really be terrified of the prospect? I know I would not at this point. When one can say that, the illusion is shattered. The Emperor really is naked.
Guam
January 01, 2025 at 09:33 pm
He needs an OC that calls the plays in-game and has the permission and wit to make in-game adjustments. LaFleur is good at game planning, but is lousy at changing that plan when faced with in-game problems. If he refuses to recognize this weakness and continues to call the plays, then the clock will start to tick (for me).
SicSemperTyrannis
January 01, 2025 at 11:35 pm
Indeed. Just use assistant HC RB or consultant Saleh to help with his weaknesses, including in-game adjustments, clock management, and coach's challenge. Don't "blow it up" when you fall just a little short, just fix what's wrong ...
Coldworld
January 01, 2025 at 09:11 am
I’m not so sure we know, or knew, our roster as well as the Atlantic quote suggests, at least as far as the DL and OL rooms go. We appear to have misjudged the fit of our DL room as a whole to the new formation. That may in part be to a learning curve with Hafley, but it needs to change as you suggest (and I have too).
The OL issues are far more concerning in that they are not new, in fact they’ve been going on for at least 4 seasons. During that time our coaches have resolutely refused to acknowledge it or to open real competition despite options being available. At some point the conclusion is inescapable that we overrate players and that room as a whole.
After this long, that demands a change in the people making those decisions. It’s clearly not coming organically. Even if Myers moved on, that doesn’t change that conceptual deficiency. Our OL, despite Tom and Jenkins has and is a major reason why we aren’t elite that predates the pass rush issue.
To your other points, isn’t the pro LaFleur script that he’s a tactical genius and play calling savant? It’s surely not that he’s an elite motivator. Your comments neatly encapsulate some of the reason why that is not supported by what the team has done, this year and previously. The fact is, against good teams we are consistently out planned and thought and compound that by forgetting what we do well and too easily being knocked off course.
This is a team that is imperfect, particularly on the O and D lines, but as you imply and most of us seem to believe, it’s still better than its production, particularly against stronger opponents. These are some of the reasons why I firmly believe that the LaFleur era has exceeded its objective lifespan based on the end product. We are a team that can look good if not seriously challenged, but seldom look ourselves when we are and continually trip over ourselves for reasons including those you describe.
Sadly I think it will take years for the organization to face up to this, but I’m convinced that will be the outcome. The on field reality just doesn’t, and never has, matched the myth. Perhaps Policy will prove more clear eyed on this. In the meantime, we are in the race and there’s always the chance that the players and luck can compensate on any given Sunday.
My regret is that that’s what it takes, we are better when LaFleur’s game plan is exhausted and departed from, later in games, just as we were last year. If we win it’s despite him more often than not. We go as far as the roster can take him, as we have for the last 6 years. Your piece neatly illustrates some of the symptoms that illustrate why 7 seasons in.
Happy New Year to you Al and thanks for your weekly thoughts. The same to all who read this. Let’s hope for an injury free weekend and an extended wait for the off season.
Guam
January 01, 2025 at 09:53 am
I am not ready to fire LaFleur. HIs record is excellent; he has seemingly fixed his issue with poor assistant coaching selections; and he seems to be respected by his players and the front office.
However I am very tired of his inability to make in-game adjustments to the offense. LaFleur needs to relinquish the play calling duties and turn them over to a highly competent OC. Whether that is Stenovich or someone else I don't know, but it is time to acknowledge that Lafleur's offensive genius does not extend to in-game situations.
jont
January 01, 2025 at 10:46 am
"We appear to have misjudged the fit of our DL room as a whole to the new formation."
This was feeling before the season began. I have some a vague memory of Aaron Kampman forced to switch and how badly that turned out.
That said, this defense has been pretty good, better than I expected.
The learning curve with Hafley is real, though, and IMHO the Packers are just not there yet.
LambeauPlain
January 01, 2025 at 11:03 am
Hafley took over a defensive front 7 of 3-4 types. It's coming around to the 4-3, but I wonder if Rebrovich is the 4-3 DL coach they need...in addition to needing another 4-3 DL pressure guy or two as you have stated, and I agree.
We also agree on the OL. The bloom is off the rose of Steno and Butkus. Tom and Jenks are 2 keepers. I like the other 3...as solid depth players. Good players, not consistently good though, IMO.
Happy New Year and a Blessed trip around the sun!
Coldworld
January 01, 2025 at 11:31 am
Walker is better than the C and RG. He’s the interesting one in terms of evaluation, whether we can retain him practically, and if we should. If we could actually improve on Walker we’d have a pretty good LT. Right now we have one that is above average.
He’s elite as a pass blocker per PFF and replacement level as a run blocker. If one takes that as true, how much can his run game be improved, how much of that is coaching emphasis and how important should that be in FO calculations now we have Jacobs?
LambeauPlain
January 01, 2025 at 11:42 am
I like Walker's development as a 7th round selection from a solid OL College Program. He's serviceable and I expect Morgan is going to push him hard next season. Good news is he has upside...but top NFL LT upside? Don't see that.
We have been spoiled by tremendous LT play for the last 20 years. 11 years with Clifton, then a few years later another lock down pass blocker and consistently solid run blocker in Bakhtiari for a decade. Walker is not close to either of them...and both were showing they were going to be premier as rookies.
Leatherhead
January 01, 2025 at 12:13 pm
Walker...and Tom, Watson, Doubs, and Rhyan...are all from the same draft, and will all be FAs after 2025.
In a league where Jon Runyan gets $10M/year, I'm not very optimistic about our ability to resign ANY of our offensive linemen, but you'd have to think Tom would be a priority over Walker, and that even Rhyan would be cheaper than resigning a starting LT. And of course, we're still looking at what to do with Watson and Doubs. We don't have the money to sign them all, and we'll have to make choices.
For me, it'd be Tom, Doubs, Rhyan,in that order, and under the assumption that Doubs and Rhyan could be affordable. I've reconciled myself to the fact that if Watson becomes the player we think he could be , then we can't afford to resign him, and if he continues to be erratic and injured, we probably don't want to resign him. I think we should look at trading him in the offseason.
Walker is going to walk in FA. There are too many teams that need a reliable LT. He'll get paid, we'll get a comp pick, and Morgan will be our LT.
stockholder
January 01, 2025 at 09:28 am
What exec said Gute was good! Murphy?
How many of you wanted to clean House?
Coldwater is never right, unless you want to get MLF fired.
And even if you had reggie White. It wouldn't be enough.
Gute has had control for 6 years.
And were still weak in the trench.
(What matters most is the pass Rush now? )
Forget it Al. This team must make due with Gute's Picks.
Injuries have always hurt every team.
So jump off the Train.
MLF has had to abandon his game plan in every Loss.
If this Defense finds it. The plan won't be altered.
The key is the LBs now. And Walker must be part of it.
Coldworld
January 01, 2025 at 09:45 am
“ And MLF has had to abandon his game plan in every Loss.”
Begs a lot of questions doesn’t it? You are right to say this, it’s true. My belief is that that reflects on the deficiencies in his planning, preparation and tactics. However, playing Devil’s advocate, if the players aren’t good enough to regularly allow his plan to function, then it means he’s totally disconnected from his player’s capabilities or they simply don’t pay heed to his leadership. That in itself should disqualify a coach 7 years in.
Any way you shake it, LaFleur abandoning his game plans (regularly for at least 3 seasons) resulting in more offensive output is damning.
Leatherhead
January 01, 2025 at 02:33 pm
“ And MLF has had to abandon his game plan in every Loss.”
All five of them.
The question I have, is did he have to abandon his game plan in any of the 11 wins?
dobber
January 01, 2025 at 09:49 am
"MLF has had to abandon his game plan in every Loss."
Why is this surprising?
You game plan to dictate play and run to your strengths.
Playing from behind for most means you've got to play differently.
Coldworld
January 01, 2025 at 11:58 am
Which is the cart and which the horse though?
SicSemperTyrannis
January 01, 2025 at 11:43 pm
Ooh, ooh, I know!
Josh Jacobs is both cart and horse.
lou
January 01, 2025 at 11:08 am
Cooper is what everyone thought Walker would be and Walker is the new Datone Jones who every year we would get a story entitled "This Is His Year".
At times you have some great points but Walker has little or no in game instinct for filling the holes in the run game or being in proper position in the passing game and as many on this site have mentioned although he is in on a lot of tackles it is usually after a good gain. His RAS score which lead to him being a #1 pick is the only reason he still starts games.
LambeauPlain
January 01, 2025 at 11:31 am
The few games before his injury, Quay was showing up in a big way. Hafley and Campanile finally focused his play to read, react and go so much faster. And please, keep the green dot off his helmet. It does not suit his talents.
I very much look forward to seeing Quay and Cooper on most, if not all the snaps on D. It would be folly to give up on Walker at this point in Hafley's system. And Wilson needs to be the 3rd of the 4-3. I appreciate McDuffie, but he's a solid back up.
Grandfathered
January 01, 2025 at 09:38 am
I think Musgrave should be used to run the seam pattern. He has the speed and hands. I agree on more passes to RBs, and on all other points made Al.
Mister Chievous
January 01, 2025 at 12:01 pm
does he have the speed and hands? there is nothing in his pro career to back up that assertion. you are basing that on college and combine. maybe he can healthy and prove it to be true. one thing is certain. he sure as hell can't block.
Leatherhead
January 01, 2025 at 02:36 pm
I'm fine with taking a shot, but before that play is going to work, we're going to have to make the safeties concerned about the sidelines, and we're going to have to stop the MLB from getting a deep enough drop.
We should resist the urge to tinker. The offense has been very good since the break, with the exception of last week. Obviously, something was different last week, and I'd like to understand what it was.
NFLfan
January 01, 2025 at 10:08 am
I bet Flores has several sharp defensive minds who weigh in on the weekly game plans. La Fleur is over-relying on his instincts/abilities w/o the support of another offensive mind. Stenavich is not that person and he is managing the run game, anyway.
Even 49er fans complain about Shanahan not allowing another mind/voice into his game planning/play calling. MLF is not the tactician Shanahan is though he is a creative game planner. However, he seems to lose his creativity and therefore his poise when the opposing team shows him something he wasn't planning for and it takes him 2-3 quarters to respond. Another offensive mind could help him plan for all contingencies as well as assist with more nimble responses in-game. Most successful HC's have good OC's.
I'm not advocating for the faux OC Hackett/Stenavich model--the real deal is needed.-the Ben Johnson model.
Re: Gutekunst, I think he makes good choices in FA and in 3rd-5th rounds but as another poster pointed out, he tends to veer too far from the majority opinion in the 1st rounds. (However he did recently gamble in the 3rd round by choosing Ty'Ron Hopper whom most thought was a 5th rounder and guess what? Ty'Ron can't help us right now.)
Handsback
January 01, 2025 at 10:30 am
First off, Happy New Year everyone.
Now on to my comments. This year's team seems to lack the ability to impose their will on their opponents. I call it lack of heart, seems harsh. Maybe a better term would be better. Maybe they are too young to realize their mindset has to be domination. Whatever you want to call it, it has to happen to become champions.
I'm not a coach, but seeing Rodgers do it for a few years and now Love I think MLF has a real blind spot on sustaining drives at key times. Detroit is winning because they take those 5-7 yard passes the length of the field until you adjust to stop them. Then a few surprise long passes mixed with run-pass options and they score again. Last year when Green Bay was sizzling on offense, they used their whole arsenal of pass catchers and made teams guess where the ball was going. This year for the first time since Lacy, they have a hammer and they use it, but don't take advantage of what that hammer opens up. They should look at Detroit and see how they use LaPorte or go back to NE hay days and see how BB used his set of TEs. Kraft could have the same affect. Which again opens up another aspect of the offense. I guess what I'm saying is they get too anxious to hit that big play they should be more patient.
Defensively, injuries are making an impact on their performance. I'm really happy Al pointed this out...it's not always the talent that's the issue as much as execution. IF they can get the secondary to play as they are suppose to and limit those mental mistakes, there will be better results. It was obvious that the MN Oline was imposing their will on the Packers defense esp. on pass protection. Green Bay will find better players but not before the playoffs unless they pick up the pass rusher just released from NE.
Maybe everything is due to the team's young age, but they were young last year...this year they need to act like they know what it takes to win those close games.
Just MHO
Starrbrite
January 01, 2025 at 10:43 am
I’m in full agreement deferring the KO is preferable. The high octane offenses stack their scoring.
I disagree with Al concerning our blitzing. The best D-Coords, Spagnola, Flores, etc, blitz often, especially on third down. We’ve witnessed the product of our “rush four” package—it ain’t working.
…I’m beginning to believe it’s our scheme re the anemic pass rush—I honestly believe Gary and LVN were better last season.
Concerning the GM (front office), I believe 6th place is about right. I happen to like Guty; I honestly believed LVN was a clone of Hutchinson—missed that one.
In any case, I believe we’re in good hands. We are the envy of most other teams; especially the Vikings; they have for years basically attempted to copy the Packers success, although they have lived off the FA market for a QB—and good luck with paying Arnold—“lightning in a bottle” as someone said.
Go Packers!!!
LambeauPlain
January 01, 2025 at 11:15 am
I was not enamored with the selection of LVN. He was a one trick pony bull rusher in college. NFL OL neutralize that move easily.
Sure, he's an athletic freak. So was Reggie...his bull rush was excellent because he could also rip, stutter step, and do the swim move...unpredictable. LVN is very predictable. His speed gets him on the stat line, when the QB holds onto the ball too long or gets flushed. Otherwise...
He didn't show any development last year in spot duty IMO. And he hasn't this year either with more snaps. Rebrovich has been his coach both years.
Starrbrite
January 01, 2025 at 06:05 pm
Well Lambeau, I don’t (can’t) disagree. I don’t pay as close attention to college as many of y’all do, but I felt LVN would develop—he’s stalled out—Gary too—coaching perhaps?
Leatherhead
January 01, 2025 at 06:12 pm
Careful. If various defensive players like LVN, and Gary, and whoever else is the current whipping boy, aren't benefiting from the coaching, then why did we make the change?
SicSemperTyrannis
January 01, 2025 at 11:52 pm
LVN needs to pay a specialist and work with him this off-season. He and Rashan Gary need the exact same things, so could do that together.
HarryHodag
January 01, 2025 at 11:09 am
I've refrained from criticizing the Packers too harshly this season because they have a 2-1(and more) win-loss ratio, have lots of young, affordable players and had kicking troubles early in the season, since resolved. They are also getting out of cap hell from the Rodgers and friends contracts.
I agree with Al on most of his points. I always pose the question: did you really think the Packers would make it to the Super Bowl this year? I knew it was an uphill climb against the Lions, and Minnesota has really excelled with exceptional talent and shrewd coaching.
My observation is the Packers haven't done as well as the Lions and Vikings when selecting players. The Lions had many years of top draft picks and drafted well. They have so much talent it's ridiculous. But the Vikings each year were close to Green Bay in the draft pecking order. The Vikings at almost all positions are stronger than Green Bay. Some of it was the Packers being hamstrung from Rodgers and company ridiculous contracts. But the Vikings have had few misses in drafting and free agency while the Packers had more misses. Looking back at this year, should they have extended Kenny Clark? Lucas Van Ess? Morgan as a first round pick? Is Love worth the money paid? Gute did hit it big with Jacobs and McKinney while under a tight salary cap but it makes you wonder.
As I watched the Vikings game it made me realize that Matt LF is much like Mike McCarthy. Competent leaders with game management flaws lacking top-end talent. Ted Thompson brought in some great young talent and they won a Super Bowl. Gute has to do the same this next year.
I had penciled in 2025 as the Packers year. They need help at corner where another big contract has gone bad with Jaire, wide receiver where Watson is proving he could be a swing and a miss, defensive line where Slaton is a free agent and linebacker where Walker is a hit that often misses time. McDuffie also a free agent. Myers is FA after the season and the Packers could shift jobs along the offensive line to save money.
As usual there's lots of moving parts and no clear answers at this point. I don't see 2024 as a disappointment at all, but if they aren't strong contenders next year there will be more than disappointment.
Packers0808
January 01, 2025 at 11:25 am
I don't understand not using Malik Willis at times for designated plays made just to fit his strong points.
From the Jungle Room
January 01, 2025 at 11:34 am
HNY, fellow Packer fans! Excellent article that touches so many valid points/concerns. I totally agree on much, if not all, of what was stated. In particular, the befuddling play calling by MLF on offense after the Jacobs fumble. The 3 long passes downfield were terrible calls and the results confirmed that. MLF said after the game that the man coverage by the Vikes wasn't expected and that it threw off the game plan, umm what? They showed man coverage in the first series and then you get the ball back and call those plays? Honestly, I'm a big MLF fan but this statement is perplexing, especially coming from such a brilliant offensive mind. How do you not have a Plan B in that situation, it's not like they haven't faced man coverage before!? This should have been a relatively easy in game adjustment for the Packers but that wasn't the case. I put that letdown firmly on MLF and the OC, inexcusable.
As for the D, we have enough of a sample size to know that our pass rush is pedestrian. I hate saying this but LVN is on the doorstep of being a complete flop. The Packers knew he was a developmental player when they drafted him so high but they (and he) have failed to show any promise of potential. The fact that Cox, an URFA, has surpassed him in snap count tells you everything about where he is. I'm not ready to throw him to the curb, he's too young and shown some flashes here and there, but the clock has to be ticking. I hope that this is something he takes upon himself this off season and gets outside coaching and development, we could really use the player that he COULD be.... but if he doesn't take that next step...then he is who he is.... Take a look at the immediate impact that Coop and X have brought to this D, that's the elite standard that LVN needs to bring himself up to......if he can't do this.... then he's a jag. I pray that's not the case....
Hope springs eternal with the playoffs on the horizon. The Packers have shown they have the potential to be a legit threat but potential isn't an asset this time of year, especially considering the path they will have to take in the playoffs. They must clean up the inconsistencies on both sides and MLF must take his game planning to another level. Creating a pass rush, however, is a major issue this late in the season and that must be addressed in the off season. I love this team, they NEVER quit and if they can somehow overcome some glaring concerns in a short time, they have a puncher's chance. It's a tall task but regardless, I'll enjoy the ride! GPG!
pantz_bURp
January 01, 2025 at 11:43 am
Good stuff Mempho. Puncher's chance? YES!
Packers = James Buster Douglass
Eagles = Iron Mike Tyson
NFLfan
January 01, 2025 at 01:50 pm
@MM-Love your Elvis photo.
LeotisHarris
January 01, 2025 at 01:54 pm
Nice post, Mike! Good to read a fair and rational opinion, kind of a rarity here on CHTV these days. Most of all, thanks for the nod to enjoying the ride. I'm with you there 100%. We're all day-to-day in life, and I'm looking forward to Sunday and then the playoffs.
GPG
pantz_bURp
January 01, 2025 at 11:39 am
What are the odds we trade Jaire to the Jets for a third round pick next Draft?
New "the Island of Misfit Toys" York Jets
>^••^<
LambeauPlain
January 01, 2025 at 11:55 am
When players do not practice with the miserly amount of time the CBA allows, it shows up at game time. Bullard was exhibit one on Sunday. I think he gutted it out being rusty and not 100%. He gets my respect for being a team first player.
I am concerned about Williams and Walker being ready to go in two weeks if they do not practice much. Hope they can practice full go.
Alexander the Occasional? Meh...I imagine after clipping coupons for most of the season he would be better than Stokes, Valentine and Nixon...maybe. I am concerned he will find the spotlight too bright not to play in round 1 and then lay an egg.
NFLfan
January 01, 2025 at 01:53 pm
@LP-'Alexander the Occasional'-lol
barutanseijin
January 01, 2025 at 07:01 pm
He just had knee surgery so 23 is probably not going to be available in the playoffs.
Mister Chievous
January 01, 2025 at 12:15 pm
I read five Packers news sites and have seen nothing about the egregious errors by the Packers defense on the Vikings last possession. why aren't hafley's feet being held to the fire? needing a critical stop in the last two minutes, the Packers allowed the RB to leak out to the left flat as if he were invisible. easy back-breaking first down completion. needing one last first down, the call in the Vikings huddle must have been, "same play to the right". again, the invisible running back flairs out to the right for the final nail in the coffin. how can the defense line up without accounting for the possibility that the RB might a pass catching option? twice. smh
splitpea1
January 01, 2025 at 12:18 pm
I love the idea of the offensive going up tempo or no huddle. But why not practice it first a little against the Bears on our way to beating the stuffing out of them?
Defense: The player I am most concerned about is Van Ness--he just isn't doing much out there. So far this season he's been out-snapped by Enagbare, a fifth-round pick; and last game, Cox, a UDFA who could be moving up in the pecking order...Every draft board I saw had LVN listed as a first-round prospect; he supposedly has all the tools, so my best guess is that he needs to do a whole lot of individual studying and work to get better.
Agree about Bullard, though I'm somewhat surprised he isn't a little better in space. But he's a fine tackler along the LOS.
Gute: He has demonstrated that he can rebuild a team and turn them into a contender. His track record with FA signings has been good. But the first round has been a problem as both Walker and Stokes were over-drafted. Nor do I understand why Hopper was drafted in the third-round when most boards had him going in the fifth or sixth. With the possible exception of QBs, you would like to see your higher prospects be able to contribute in a meaningful way in their first season.
The biggest question for me in the off-season is what Gute is going to do to improve our pass rush; we don't have time to wait around for one of his three-year projects. There are FA options at edge, CB, and C if we choose to go any of these routes.
PackerBackerAZ
January 01, 2025 at 12:52 pm
The Packers have shown no potential to beat the best teams in the NFC. Period! Going one or two and done in the playoffs isn't the freaking goal and never should be.
Why bring only LVN to task? The defensive line is loaded with failure to produce a consistent pass rush. Gary is the worst failure of the Gutekunst era. Doubling down from first round draft pick to a huge second contract is pretty much indefensible. Quay Walker is right behind Gary on the failure list. All the talent in the world without the brain. Letting the cornerback room devolve into what it is, especially the Alexander contract, marks another Gutekunst failure. Another failure was drafting Stokes in the first round.
The offense is lead by an overpaid quarterback. Another Gutekunst failure with that overpaying. Drafting a bunch of, at best, #2, 3 and 4 receivers with no #1 on the roster is another failure. Drafting an offensive lineman in the first round that hasn't shown enough to merit the pick is another failure. Before the injury, what did he show to inspire confidence that he would be a quality starter somewhere on the line?
How much failure is enough? It's time for the Gurtekunst era to end. Hopefully, Policy will see to that early in his tenure.
JerseyAl
January 01, 2025 at 01:03 pm
From the sound of this, they should have the #1 pick in the draft, shouldn't they? WHAT A DISASTER WE ARE!!! (REALLY, YOU SHOULD BE TYPING IN ALL CAPS)
All I have to hear is "The offense is lead by an overpaid quarterback" and I know you have little clue of how the modern day NFL works or that you have any idea what goes on with other teams in the league and how Green Bay compares.
Sheesh! You make Stockholder sound like all Sunshine and Rainbows!
stockholder
January 01, 2025 at 03:36 pm
Al - My point is where are the All-Pros.?
Great Teams have great players.
The packers are more scheme than power.
The size of the players are another concern.
Gute is all about fantasy, more than future.
JerseyAl
January 01, 2025 at 05:25 pm
There's no arguing that first round picks have been underwhelming. It's only one part of a complex equation in which he has excelled in other areas. Overall, I agree with the NFL professionals that he is a top-10 GM in the league and not the epic failure you like to portray him as.
Eshbach
January 01, 2025 at 02:23 pm
Great insight Al. The panicking is embarrassing. This squad doesn't have the grit needed to win the meaningful games. I expected a more confident team to come out and play with a chip on their shoulder than the Vikings. Somehow it was the opposite. The Pack wilted. Hopefully MLF finds a way to bring the team together for a playoff run.
TOMMY'63
January 01, 2025 at 04:05 pm
Ok in the playoffs, rah rah ? Another great disappointment, we don't have the talent to bring home a trophy in the name of our great Lombardi! 6th, 7th seed? Another mouthful of piss to spit!
the_gavia_pass
January 01, 2025 at 04:09 pm
packers just need 1 big decision: to end mark murphy philosophy.
we NEED to play for SB and for real.
packers lost too many years with that president.
Dragon5
January 01, 2025 at 04:49 pm
No way Gute is 6th.
While he has made respectable patchwork with FA acquisitions and hit on a few picks, there is no consistency to suggest he is elite.
His biggest mistake thus far was not selling high on Rodgers to Denver for multiple picks; if he was told to stand down by Murphy, that's where genius needs to rise to the occasion to convince otherwise.
Too many whiffs rounds 1-3 and misuse of draft capital too boot--a broken record.
I have no football pedigree or resume yet I can handsomely outperform him in the early rounds?
If Gute was truly the 6th ranked GM, we'd likely have appeared in a couple Super Bowls already IMHO.
the_gavia_pass
January 02, 2025 at 03:16 pm
gute was much better much more aggressive at the beginning. but you know if you have a soft president sooner or later you will be soft too. and that happened to gutekunst
croatpackfan
January 02, 2025 at 10:38 am
Al, you again nailed it, with very little to add.
My thoughts regarding Josh Jacobs were exactly the same. He fumbled. It happens, D are also paid to play. Considering how low is his fumbling percentage, MLF should (yea I know shoulda, woulda, coulda) have continue to pound the ball. Also, Brooks and E. Wilson showed us that they can successfuly replace Jacobs in the short terms.
Also, Packers were running up to speed tempo O and still let the play clock go down to 5 or less seconds on the clock. First, you cost your OL additional pressure, second you eat the game clock down, when every second is important.
I would not comment D by units, but I will try to remind people here that this is the first season of the new D scheme which can be great, but still is not automatic for most of the players, esspecially back ups. Vikings D is really really very good, but do not forget - they are in season 3 of the B Flores tenure as their DC.
I will repeat also that as season were progressed I was more and more confident in Brian Gutekunst prediction or, we may say, goal - 2025 season. And progress shown on the field, esspecially on D makes me certain, barring injurie, we will see full strenght of Packers D next season!
Also, comparing 2 top teams in NFC at the moment, we see that Lions are haevilly injured, while Vikings are more or less healthy. My take on that issue is that Lions played all season every minute of every game with full throttle, while Vikings was making huge lead and played under the much less pressure and much more comfortable...
Go Pack Go.