Sorry Al, they ALMOST had me but I refrained. IF the Packers would have beat the Lions then I may have bought in but beating the Bears, Rams, Dolphins, and then Minnesota just didn't do it for me. I admit, I was encouraged by Alexander shutting down Jefferson and the 2nd half against Miami, but I still had that feeling. While I don't completely blame Joe Barry for the loss on Sunday, his defense ONCE AGAIN couldn't make a stop when it absolutely had to.

Wilted...No, just hell no would ANY Packers player run through a wall for MLF. This is a soft ass coach leading a soft ass team. His constant need to try and get the Lambeau Fans loud has gotten embarrassing.

Play Calling...Well, if we can get him to stop his cheerleading it might work. But IMO he's a guy who can't make adjustments in the first place so would it REALLY make a difference? Since there's no way they'll fire him it's worth a try. I mean bringing EVERYBODY back will probably get you the same so lets try huh?

Rodgers in big moments... Those last 3 games are telling but Rodgers has never had gaudy numbers when it comes to comebacks. Hell he trails Andy Dalton by 4. Part of that has been they've won a lot, and part is because the Defense could never hold a lead. But when I think of Rodgers, I won't view his as a chocker so much, but a QB who just didn't seem to get it done in the clutch...Mainly later in his career.

So...On to the Draft!!!

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

I don’t know how the management of this organization can’t see and address these issues. All of your observations are so obvious. This is poor

Incompetent mess of an organization I don’t see this team culture changing until Murphy leaves and what ever goes on with the board of directors needs to be addressed. The leadership is conservative and the culture is soft and loyal and very much in need of change.

I checked out and never returned. I knew the four straight wins were all smoke and mirrors worthy of David Copperfield.

LaFleur: We all worked with people that were promoted beyond their capabilities and resorted to focusing on unimportant things far below their pay grade because they were over their heads. Think Matt LaFleur and his cheerleading and focusing on the crowd and how to properly do the Wave.

Walker: He appears to be a bully . I’ve noticed that he never pushes 300 pound O-linemen or even TEs. He always pushes guys who are not in uniform and can’t fight back. I am worried he is one off the field violent incident away from losing his career.

I agree with most of your comments.. but I have to say I’m all fairness , Rodgers ( even his subpar 2022 edition) had no chance with the pathetic o line effort vs Detroit.
We are now battling the Bears for the basement. I had hoped the board of directors would clean house.
A soft undisciplined franchise in total decline.
The biggest piece of the future is a WR with a fragile body and questionable hands. Not good.

I agree about MFL. I think he's one of those coaches who's living proof of the accuracy of the Peter Principle. I'd like to see him become a middling OC for some other team, and the Packers go find a head coach with some dog in him.

Parcells was one of my favorite coaches, for a lot of reasons, but mostly for stuff like this when the excuses started coming:

"Don't tell me about the pain, show me the baby."

Watching Rodgers heave balls down the sideline into double coverage is becoming a cliche. The last Packer offensive play of the year is like groundhog day. Watching 3 WRs running routes with zero separation is also all to common. I don't know how our QB, coaches and front office can think that this formula is going to lead to a championship. Watching the Lions exert their will at key points in the game has me wondering if this organization truly understands how far this team has fallen.

Nobody had the balls to start the rebuild when Rodgers had value, instead hoping that business as usual would be good enough. The fact that they gave Rodgers the contract and continued control of the offense tells us who is in charge of the Packers.

Packers were out coached in every aspect, if they don't hire Jim Leonard then don't expect anything different next season.

Anyone surprised that Rodgers wouldn't give his jersey to a Rookie, hell he never talked to his rookie WR 's, why would he do the other thing?

Between his coaching hires, game plans, play calling, lack of in-game adjustments, and inability to inspire players, remind me again why we are keeping LeFleur as our head coach?

I was never out. It’s been a process. You just can’t throw players together and expect
Them to jell.
Adam Stenavich never seem to be on the same page. (With Rodgers or MLF.)
And if MLF doesn’t get Barry out of here. Expect the same results.
So Let’s back up here. Even with those 4th Q stats. Nobody could have done it, then ACR.
They drafted Defense. The missing pieces. Yet this team still went over cliff.
Because the Defense couldn’t stop the Lions. When it counted.

Would they run through a wall for MLF? Would they run through a wall for Rodgers? Have they even tried? I believe A. Jones and the rookies may be the only ones. But can you run through an opposing wall when the bricks in your wall are crumbling all mortar?

You have to live in the house you built. Better start with a good foundation.

I'd take a little snot nosed frustration from a rookie. A little fire. Like it was commented on above, I'd like it against other men in pads.

As bad as the future looks with this staff and administrative group in charge .. rumor has it that the Packers Pro Shop will have a half price sale on Quay Walker jerseys.
So there’s that.

I've seen MLF before, he's Mike Sherman II.....

Thanks Al for your honesty (not that you lied us any time in the past!)!

I thought I was out - well, that evening game for US spectators was deep in night for me (it started 2:20 AM), so I decide not to listen to my heart, but to my brain. Taking all things in consideration, I made logical decision - Go sleep and watch the game in the early morning. I didn't want to know result, so before I went to sleep, I turned off scores on Game Pass and invested 40 minutes that morning in Packers football.

My logic had battle with my heart and hope that vs Vikings Packers finally found how to play winning games. My logic said to me - they are inconsistent and MLF and ACR will underestimate Lions D and they believe it will be piece of cake game. My logic was correct and that is why I lean more on my logic than my hopes or heart decisions. Well not for everything, but when it is the time to get some decision not connected with emotions, or when logic is obvious.

Wilted - at the end there is the reason (logical one) why coaches get paid high sums for doing their job. It starts and end with them. I already wrote my opinion on MLF and his coaching staff (excluding Bisaccia) is reflection of his mentality. He is not HC and he should look for OC or QBC job. That suits him well. He does not know to make right decision. Another prove of that is his statement that he would like to bring ACR back next season. He do not understand his position. If ACR (I do not believe in that option!) decide to retire, he will need to work with Jordan Love - how that relation will start? New QB will have to work with HC who clearly said he wants to work with somebody else! If nothing else, he should answer to the question neutrally as there is a lot of questions opened with the future relation (or not) between ACR and Packers. He might said something like: "There is a lot to happened and I'm not the onme who should decide that. Let's see what future brings!"

Game plans - We saw through the season that game book Packers assemble this preseason is very thin. Other teams notice that. I suppose the excuse would be - we have a lot of young guys on the team and we needed to make it simple! That is all I will say.

Offensive line - I wonder if Yosh Nyman played injured and I do not understand why they messed with OL composition again. Tom did it very good vs Vikings and vs Dolphins, why change it?

Kerby Joseph - he is young intelligent and good coached player. I'm talking already 3 years in the row that ACR is open book for opposing DCs (the good ones, of course!). Nothing what he is doing is not surprise nay more. Joseph knew the ball will go to Watson. Why? Because 2 seasons earlier it always went to No 1 (Davante Adams), this season that is Christian Watson. He just needed to wait. Kudos to him.

No Quay - I thought every NFL team has organized psychologie help for players, as they may need it. It is strange that nobody on the coaching staff (ha, ha) did not notice that problems with Georgia players who are used to be on winning team (also for Wyatt - he also push the same coach/medical staff or whoever he was, but that went unnoticed). Thisa is normal to talk with young players in excellent as well as in hard times. To help them to grow and mature as soon as possible. That is all I can say about the incident. It was huge stupidity!

Facts: - Numbers says everything. But, I would like to point out one intersting stat from that twiter - did you notice how yards are in constant fall: from 54 vs Buck to 17 vs SF to 12 vs Lions! One of the sign that capabilities of ACR is falling down - this 12 yards are also "achieved" vs the worst D in the whole NFL.

This is the first packer article on Cheesehead TV that I have read. To depressing to read the others after Sunday evening.

However, I did see in an article on another website that LaFleur states that he expects all the coaches to return next year.

He is just unbelievable.

I agree that it is time to make some huge coaching changes, including the head coach, and then the new coaching team can make the decisions as to which players go and which ones stay. Myself, I don't know any other way to proceed forward!

Wilted--I'm going to sound funny when I say this, but the attitude on this team and its energy changed with Z Smith's absence last year. I attributed his arrival in 2019 with a significant culture and locker room change...all the other pieces that came that year (except Billy Turner) are still around. I think this team lost something in the locker room when he checked out last summer--back injury or no. The question I ask is, what was he covering up?

Play-Calling--I never understand why wet-behind-the-ears HCs decide they need to divide their energies by calling plays--offensive or defensive. If I were a GM, I'd want that reserved for experienced coaches who have a feel for managing entire games and sidelines. I think this is part of what takes down these young-buck head coaches. I think also the influx of young HCs puts a bunch of guys in place who have limited connections to potential assistants to draw from...hence, the Joe Barry's and overextended allegiance to STs coaches under LaF.

"On defense, they focused on stopping the run and dared Rodgers to throw it deep - and he fell into the trap."

They gave ARod an opening to do what he wants to do, anyway. I was dismayed by what appeared to be weak, looping throws from ARod all night. Kerby Joseph just happened to be the centerfielder to benefit from it on Sunday. 12 threw one real dart all night--and Doubs had it go right through his hands. Maybe it's from QB1 getting his hand beat up again...or maybe we're seeing the arm talent start to succumb to age.

"On special teams they had a plan for Keisean Nixon on kickoffs, funneling him to one side of the field to minimize any open space for him to run through."

Nixon's gotta play smart, too. That last KO ended up at the 15 when he ran a kickoff that was 4 yards deep in the corner of the endzone. That was going nowhere from the start, and he's taking a beating at the same time. Yes, he can make plays, but he's got to know when to take what they're giving him.

How, as Board members, do you face each other and not ask the questions that need to be asked? How, as a management team, do you think keeping the staff together and doing this again is a good idea? Can they all really believe, as stated by 12, that this team is two or three players away from a championship?

They dared the Packers to run and they couldn't, just could not. Alot of that is bad play calling and as you say predictable play calls from certain formations. That said pretty much the only alternative then is to throw the ball and that uniquely falls to Rodgers. So it is not so much Rodgers' fault as the team's fault. Yes the long throws rarely worked but the short ones kept getting dropped. Not to excuse AR, he read the field poorly too often, but he sure seems to have had damn few alternatives to what he did.

AR - I was one of those that agreed with drafting Love before the 2 MVP seasons. I don't know how anyone could judge whether he could return to anything close to MVP form but certainly the older you get, the less likely that is. But one thing is certain, if during the 'discussions' he doesn't admit to needing to play significantly better and agree to live within a more defined role, then the Packers just have to move on. AR gave them a gift at his presser - he said he could pass on the $50M if there is not mutual agreement.

Quay - certainly should be a penalty but I'm not a fan of being disqualified for a little touch push like that.
(similar - what's really bothersome is the '2nd guy gets caught' penalties. I don't want to slow the game down with automatic reviews of those calls but something should be done)

Expectations - nothing changes from this managent. Someone should start a poll.

Al, loved that reference to Dennis Green; he sure was heated at that press conference. Here is a clip for those who may have missed it.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=dennis+green+we+are...

Man, I miss the days of Mike Holmgren and Fritz Schumer. There was never any doubt who was in charge on offense and defense. Those two had the total respect of their players. I just don't see that with MLF and Barry.

Some fans are down on Murphy and I'm one of them. He is "The Guy" because of the organizational structure he has set up, but "The Guy" isn't doing the job the way the fans want.

He is more concerned about making Lambeau Field the "Taj Mahal" of the NFL. We'll have every money making amenity a creative mind can come up with there except a smash mouth football team that can kick but when it's needed...and it is needed now.

Now that it's obvious that our coach and executive director are delusional, I want them to stop bring shame to the green and gold; here, folks, are the new uniforms for 2023:

https://www.gridiron-uniforms.com/GUD/images/1958_Packers.png?6181

Of course, Penn State might object, but screw them!

I'm inclined to give Quay the benefit of the doubt.
Perhaps this is a plausible way to look at the situation:
Quay was concerned about the injured player for the Lions, and intently watching what happened up close.
There may have already been a couple of medical people attending to the injured player, so Quay wouldn't be expecting any more to come in.
The trainer who then did enter the scene came in outside of Quay's line of vision, and pushed Quay first.
Quay pushed back almost reflexively in the heat of the moment, and not all that hard.
It was an emotional moment of Quay being concerned for a fallen player, and so soon after the Damar Hamlin scare, plus it was in the heat of a big game for the Packers of intense hitting.
Maybe a penalty was warranted, but not an ejection, and certainly not any future suspensions.
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I'm glad to get other points of view, because I may well be missing something significant in my analysis.
However, I'm reluctant to berate Quay just because so many others seem to be doing so.
Sometimes we ask too little of players as far as sportsmanship and fair play; but it is possible to be too hard on them as young men under a lot of pressure in a violent sport.
At this point, my inclination is to throw a penalty flag against Quay's critics for piling on.

I thought I was out -
I don't care. i'd rather see my team win then lose. Even though it ended sooner then i wanted it to, i'm happy they went on a winning streak.

Wilted -
The popular theme amongst a lot of Packer fans right now is to hate on LaFleur. 3 great years, 1 down year and people are ready to jump off ship. Maybe the flower has wilted. But depending on the plant, some come back and come back better then it was left. Lets find out what kind of plant LaFleur is.

Game plans -
I don't think its even this simple. The Lions won this game in the trenches. The Packers OL struggled and the Packers DL couldn't get any push in the passing game.

Play calling -
I'm good with LaFleur calling plays. I have no issues with it. The players need to execute better. Also we don't know how much Rodgers changes calls at the LOS. The play caller I want changed is Joe Barry. He went back to his off coverage looks against the Lions.

Offensive line -
I just mentioned that the Packers lost the game in the trenches. Yosh might have had his worst game. So bad that he got benched. Jenkins struggled. Just wasn't a good performance at all.

Kerby Joseph -
I hope we can find ourselves a Kerby Joseph. He has been really good.

No Quay -
Young guy needs to learn. Interesting note that both players that it happened with were former Georgia players.

Facts: in the Playoff games these were the game changing plays. (I count the Lions game as a playoff because if they won they moved on, if they lost they were done)
2023 - Against Lions, Aaron Jones fumbles when they are driving before half time. Up 9-3 at the time. If they go up 12-3 or 16-3 before halftime who knows how the game changes. Instead it becomes 9-6 at half.
2022 - Against 49ers, Mercedes Lewis fumbles and the game changed after that. They never regained momentum.
2021 - Against Bucs, Aaron Jones fumbles and the team never recovered after that.

We can point fingers at Rodgers all we want. And he hasn't been at his best. But there were certain points in games that other key players played a big part in the team losing momentum. I love Aaron Jones but he is a big reason why in 2 of the last 3 games we lost the momentum we had going and it changed the game.